This is historic stuff happening; NoKo has been working on hating us for 70 years and have played our politics since the end of WW2
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This could be one of my life's most historical events....but it must be remembered that Kim Jong Un is an evil man and whatever agreements are made may be short lived.This is historic stuff happening; NoKo has been working on hating us for 70 years and have played our politics since the end of WW2
This is historic stuff happening; NoKo has been working on hating us for 70 years and have played our politics since the end of WW2
Truer words have never been stated....but our media and politicians and a new generation are too much about drawing lines in the sand to see whose side you're on and how "evil" those who have differing ideas are.I
IMO, unless we find a way to stand together we are doomed to fall/fail...Far too many seem to have forgotten that we are The UNITED States of America...The Divisiveness, along party lines, is a very real internal threat to this Land of the Free...
Agree, but isn't the Nobel Prize given to leftists?: Al Gore for his slide show on climate change and Barrack Obama for his.....his....his...whatever ?If this does bring about lasting change and peace, I think Mike Pompeo deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for all his hard work behind the scenes to get NK to the table and for negotiating the terms of the deal. He's done an outstanding job in the short time he's been Sec. of State. Far more effective than Tillerson.
Obama's Nobel has got to be one of the biggest embarrassments in the history of the award.Agree, but isn't the Nobel Prize given to leftists: Al Gore for his slide show on climate change and Barrack Obama for his.....his....his...whatever ?
No need to bring the past into this. We ended the Soviet threat and Dim Un knows he was taught history incorrectly (but we must remain very cautious)
Obama's Nobel has got to be one of the biggest embarrassments in the history of the award.
That's a pretty substantial "claim to fame" when those missiles are possibly able to carry nuclear warheads to American cities. Outside of that, he doesn't really need anything else.His only claim to fame are his rockets and his nukes. He has nothing else.
In 1969, I spent one year of my life right on the DMZ in the middle of the boundary between North and South Korea. I look back on that year as an eye opener for a young 1st Lieutenant from rural Oklahoma in the US Army Security Agency serving as the Commanding officer of the detachment.
It was a grueling experience. We were right on top of a mountain peak. The winter was cold and harsh. We had a tall chain link fence all around our facilities with concertina wire over the top. Our outer security was provided by the South Korean Army. It was a regular occurrence for the North Koreans to attempt getting inside our perimeter. In addition we had a base camp and we would drive 5/4 ton vehicles up to the top of the mountain every five day or so to rotate and give our people some relief from the cold in the winter etc.
The road up to the peak was a single lane with drop offs over a 1,000 feet straight down all the way to the top. There were some storms where the wind at the peak were blowing 80 mph+ with the temperatures in the -40 and colder. It was a tough spot in the world to spend a year.
As the CO, I had some very interesting experiences. We had South Korean civilians working for us. Some at the base camp and some on the mountain top. Me and my Top Sergeant were often invited to parties in the village right outside of our base camp. I love my Schnauzer and while I never tried to think about it I am positive I consumed some of his cousins. Drank lots of sake and and other Korean drinks. I could never get past the smell of the kimchi. In case you don't know. The Koreans grow veggies with cabbage being one of the ingredients would bury them in large containers and then eat it during the winter. Lots of hot peppers. South Korea was where I learned to eat hot food.
Two of my duties that some would think weird involved me driving into a neighboring big town to pay our civilian employees. Also, when I made those trips, I was always accompanied by 3 - 5 village girls. While I was off paying the civilians they would be visiting the local doctor. Meanwhile, I would drive into town to do the pay thing. I would pack my 45 on my hip. Take my two gym type bags full of Korean money [won] and climb up three flights of stairs in a local hotel and meet these guys in a bar. At that time the average yearly earnings of South Koreans was about $150.00/year. We were paying most of these guys about $300/month. The first time I did this, I was very nervous and kept my holster unbuttoned. Don't have a clue as to what I would have done had something happened.
Anyway, on one trip back to the base camp we came upon a village on fire. Their housing was mostly rice straw and some wood. By the time we got to the village it was almost completely gone.
My point with this is that at that time South Korea some 16 years or so after the Korean war ended was in the dumpster. I spent some time later on duty close to Seoul. It wasn't thriving, pretty sad really. About five years ago I had a chance to visit Seoul for a very short time.
The transformation of South Korea since the end of the Korean war and after I left in 1970 is a miracle. It is a shining example of what a downtrodden people can do given freedom and the opportunity to lift themselves up.
Meanwhile, you look at the night sky over North Korea and it is just dark. Meanwhile South Korea is lit up like New Orleans during Mardi Gras. For over a hundred years the North Koreans have lived under tyrants. Little food. Limited work and very poor. Hundreds of thousands have died in the labor camps. You tow the political line or you die.
I'm a patriot. I didn't vote for Trump in the primary. I did vote for him in the general. I am damn glad he won. I don't know how Trump's efforts to solve the North Korean dilemma will work out. I hope he turns that mess around. If, Trump can succeed where all the President's before him failed, he will have done God's work. He will have made this world a safer place.
I listened to Chuck Shumer just before I came to this board. Shumer's words made me sick to my stomach. This work in North Korea is just getting started. It sounded like Shumer was cheering for failure. I can't wait to hear what the rest of the ultra left wing democrats in the US Congress will say. What I do know, there won't be many of them hoping for success. They know Trump succeeding will cost them in the next election cycle.
What has Trump given Kim Jong-un ?
And given the fact he’s a ruthless homicidal maniac, it’s premature and even unrealistic to think peace is coming from North Korea. Are we seeing another Neville Chamberlain-Adolf Hitler type failure ?
In 1969, I spent one year of my life right on the DMZ in the middle of the boundary between North and South Korea. I look back on that year as an eye opener for a young 1st Lieutenant from rural Oklahoma in the US Army Security Agency serving as the Commanding officer of the detachment.
It was a grueling experience. We were right on top of a mountain peak. The winter was cold and harsh. We had a tall chain link fence all around our facilities with concertina wire over the top. Our outer security was provided by the South Korean Army. It was a regular occurrence for the North Koreans to attempt getting inside our perimeter. In addition we had a base camp and we would drive 5/4 ton vehicles up to the top of the mountain every five day or so to rotate and give our people some relief from the cold in the winter etc.
The road up to the peak was a single lane with drop offs over a 1,000 feet straight down all the way to the top. There were some storms where the wind at the peak were blowing 80 mph+ with the temperatures in the -40 and colder. It was a tough spot in the world to spend a year.
As the CO, I had some very interesting experiences. We had South Korean civilians working for us. Some at the base camp and some on the mountain top. Me and my Top Sergeant were often invited to parties in the village right outside of our base camp. I love my Schnauzer and while I never tried to think about it I am positive I consumed some of his cousins. Drank lots of sake and and other Korean drinks. I could never get past the smell of the kimchi. In case you don't know. The Koreans grow veggies with cabbage being one of the ingredients would bury them in large containers and then eat it during the winter. Lots of hot peppers. South Korea was where I learned to eat hot food.
Two of my duties that some would think weird involved me driving into a neighboring big town to pay our civilian employees. Also, when I made those trips, I was always accompanied by 3 - 5 village girls. While I was off paying the civilians they would be visiting the local doctor. Meanwhile, I would drive into town to do the pay thing. I would pack my 45 on my hip. Take my two gym type bags full of Korean money [won] and climb up three flights of stairs in a local hotel and meet these guys in a bar. At that time the average yearly earnings of South Koreans was about $150.00/year. We were paying most of these guys about $300/month. The first time I did this, I was very nervous and kept my holster unbuttoned. Don't have a clue as to what I would have done had something happened.
Anyway, on one trip back to the base camp we came upon a village on fire. Their housing was mostly rice straw and some wood. By the time we got to the village it was almost completely gone.
My point with this is that at that time South Korea some 16 years or so after the Korean war ended was in the dumpster. I spent some time later on duty close to Seoul. It wasn't thriving, pretty sad really. About five years ago I had a chance to visit Seoul for a very short time.
The transformation of South Korea since the end of the Korean war and after I left in 1970 is a miracle. It is a shining example of what a downtrodden people can do given freedom and the opportunity to lift themselves up.
Meanwhile, you look at the night sky over North Korea and it is just dark. Meanwhile South Korea is lit up like New Orleans during Mardi Gras. For over a hundred years the North Koreans have lived under tyrants. Little food. Limited work and very poor. Hundreds of thousands have died in the labor camps. You tow the political line or you die.
I'm a patriot. I didn't vote for Trump in the primary. I did vote for him in the general. I am damn glad he won. I don't know how Trump's efforts to solve the North Korean dilemma will work out. I hope he turns that mess around. If, Trump can succeed where all the President's before him failed, he will have done God's work. He will have made this world a safer place.
I listened to Chuck Shumer just before I came to this board. Shumer's words made me sick to my stomach. This work in North Korea is just getting started. It sounded like Shumer was cheering for failure. I can't wait to hear what the rest of the ultra left wing democrats in the US Congress will say. What I do know, there won't be many of them hoping for success. They know Trump succeeding will cost them in the next election cycle.
I'm sure some other nations in this world can't believe us Americans inhumanely kill cattle so we can eat thick, tasty and juicy steaks at will.An excellent post Roy,,,,very informative.
The think I hate the most about South Korea you mentioned when you talked about your schnauzer..
They inhumanly kill dogs for food. I have seen pictures where they put many live dogs in small cages and they stack them on top of each other and then they skin them alive .
I think they are heathens like those in North Korea.
When they had the recent Olympics, several athletes from other countries rescued
some of these dogs and took them home with them.
Hey Roy it's great to hear from ya bud!!! Man reading your post you may have been in S. Korea about the same time my father was. He was there in the late 60's and was stationed on a Hawk missile site. You mentioning kimchi reminds me of him telling me the exact same thing. He said he never came to terms with eating rotten smelling food that was buried in the ground as well. LolIn 1969, I spent one year of my life right on the DMZ in the middle of the boundary between North and South Korea. I look back on that year as an eye opener for a young 1st Lieutenant from rural Oklahoma in the US Army Security Agency serving as the Commanding officer of the detachment.
It was a grueling experience. We were right on top of a mountain peak. The winter was cold and harsh. We had a tall chain link fence all around our facilities with concertina wire over the top. Our outer security was provided by the South Korean Army. It was a regular occurrence for the North Koreans to attempt getting inside our perimeter. In addition we had a base camp and we would drive 5/4 ton vehicles up to the top of the mountain every five day or so to rotate and give our people some relief from the cold in the winter etc.
The road up to the peak was a single lane with drop offs over a 1,000 feet straight down all the way to the top. There were some storms where the wind at the peak were blowing 80 mph+ with the temperatures in the -40 and colder. It was a tough spot in the world to spend a year.
As the CO, I had some very interesting experiences. We had South Korean civilians working for us. Some at the base camp and some on the mountain top. Me and my Top Sergeant were often invited to parties in the village right outside of our base camp. I love my Schnauzer and while I never tried to think about it I am positive I consumed some of his cousins. Drank lots of sake and and other Korean drinks. I could never get past the smell of the kimchi. In case you don't know. The Koreans grow veggies with cabbage being one of the ingredients would bury them in large containers and then eat it during the winter. Lots of hot peppers. South Korea was where I learned to eat hot food.
Two of my duties that some would think weird involved me driving into a neighboring big town to pay our civilian employees. Also, when I made those trips, I was always accompanied by 3 - 5 village girls. While I was off paying the civilians they would be visiting the local doctor. Meanwhile, I would drive into town to do the pay thing. I would pack my 45 on my hip. Take my two gym type bags full of Korean money [won] and climb up three flights of stairs in a local hotel and meet these guys in a bar. At that time the average yearly earnings of South Koreans was about $150.00/year. We were paying most of these guys about $300/month. The first time I did this, I was very nervous and kept my holster unbuttoned. Don't have a clue as to what I would have done had something happened.
Anyway, on one trip back to the base camp we came upon a village on fire. Their housing was mostly rice straw and some wood. By the time we got to the village it was almost completely gone.
My point with this is that at that time South Korea some 16 years or so after the Korean war ended was in the dumpster. I spent some time later on duty close to Seoul. It wasn't thriving, pretty sad really. About five years ago I had a chance to visit Seoul for a very short time.
The transformation of South Korea since the end of the Korean war and after I left in 1970 is a miracle. It is a shining example of what a downtrodden people can do given freedom and the opportunity to lift themselves up.
Meanwhile, you look at the night sky over North Korea and it is just dark. Meanwhile South Korea is lit up like New Orleans during Mardi Gras. For over a hundred years the North Koreans have lived under tyrants. Little food. Limited work and very poor. Hundreds of thousands have died in the labor camps. You tow the political line or you die.
I'm a patriot. I didn't vote for Trump in the primary. I did vote for him in the general. I am damn glad he won. I don't know how Trump's efforts to solve the North Korean dilemma will work out. I hope he turns that mess around. If, Trump can succeed where all the President's before him failed, he will have done God's work. He will have made this world a safer place.
I listened to Chuck Shumer just before I came to this board. Shumer's words made me sick to my stomach. This work in North Korea is just getting started. It sounded like Shumer was cheering for failure. I can't wait to hear what the rest of the ultra left wing democrats in the US Congress will say. What I do know, there won't be many of them hoping for success. They know Trump succeeding will cost them in the next election cycle.
I think going forward it depends if Trump starts making huge concessions without N. Korea doing anything in return. Trump himself said that the suspension of military drills will be reversed if progress isn't made going forward. One thing I respect about Trump is he flat out said that he is hopeful going forward, but in the end he could be wrong. Career politicians don't talk like that. But what he said is the truth. He knows this is just a first step and there is still alot of work to do in the future. He didn't hold up the co-signed document at his presser while declaring "peace in our time" as if the negotiations are done and over.What has Trump given Kim Jong-un ?
And given the fact he’s a ruthless homicidal maniac, it’s premature and even unrealistic to think peace is coming from North Korea. Are we seeing another Neville Chamberlain-Adolf Hitler type failure ?
All I'm saying is Trump is dealing with an evil third world dictator whose agenda has never been anything outside of repression, murder and going to war.I think going forward it depends if Trump starts making huge concessions without N. Korea doing anything in return. Trump himself said that the suspension of military drills will be reversed if progress isn't made going forward. One thing I respect about Trump is he flat out said that he is hopeful going forward, but in the end he could be wrong. Career politicians don't talk like that. But what he said is the truth. He knows this is just a first step and there is still alot of work to do in the future. He didn't hold up the co-signed document at his presser while declaring "peace in our time" as if the negotiations are done and over.
Hey Roy it's great to hear from ya bud!!! Man reading your post you may have been in S. Korea about the same time my father was. He was there in the late 60's and was stationed on a Hawk missile site. You mentioning kimchi reminds me of him telling me the exact same thing. He said he never came to terms with eating rotten smelling food that was buried in the ground as well. Lol
I hadn't heard what Shumer said. I just looked it up and listened to him. Good grief that guy is just a huge steaming pile. I really can't fathom why anyone would fall in line with the garbage coming out of his mouth.
If this does bring about lasting change and peace, I think Mike Pompeo deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for all his hard work behind the scenes to get NK to the table and for negotiating the terms of the deal. He's done an outstanding job in the short time he's been Sec. of State. Far more effective than Tillerson.
An excellent post Roy,,,,very informative.
The think I hate the most about South Korea you mentioned when you talked about your schnauzer..
They inhumanly kill dogs for food. I have seen pictures where they put many live dogs in small cages and they stack them on top of each other and then they skin them alive .
I think they are heathens like those in North Korea.
When they had the recent Olympics, several athletes from other countries rescued
some of these dogs and took them home with them.
. Drank lots of sake and and other Korean drinks.
Go Trump Go.
I have to admit that I’m blown away at what he decides to tackle, how he tackles them, and the results. While this NKO thing is in its infancy, the early results are astonishing. I recognize that some deeply dislike this man, but I believe he’s the right person at the right time for our country. The American people saw this and gave him the opportunity. He’s accomplished so much in less than two years that I truly can not imagine and fathom what a full eight years of Trump as POTUS would be able to do.
It's hilarious watching the MSM run all over themselves finding ways to tout this summit as a complete waste of time and that nothing was achieved. Really just amazing to see certain media outlets finding any way possible to negatively report on something that could end up being a massive achievement for a US President. They act as if every detail wasn't worked out in one single meeting, then Trump came back with nothing. Good grief. Nuclear reduction treaties with the Soviet Union like SALT, SALT II, START, etc. took years to hammer out the details until they were both agreed upon.
Not to mention, first the MSM morons criticize Trump for being undiplomatic & insulting to Kim Jong Un, and question Trump's ability to be diplomatic. Then they do a 180 and criticize him for being diplomatic & friendly.Exactly. Not to mention what work and word has been done prior.
They'll tell us how ruthless Trump is at the expense of others, yet they'll say how naive and careless he is with others (Kim). Which is it?
I tend to believe no summit was going to happen until SOMETHING was said to make Trump AND Kim want to participate.
There are more fine details to hash, but that doesn't mean details don't already exist.
Not to mention, first the MSM morons criticize Trump for being undiplomatic & insulting to Kim Jong Un, and question Trump's ability to be diplomatic. Then they do a 180 and criticize him for being diplomatic & friendly.