OT....Removal of Confederate statues and monuments

[CTOkie]

The only way to stop this insanity is to ignore any one or group that suggests such crap as "this" except to reply F-off. That may be a bit harsh, but there needs to be a clear statement that enough is enough. Responsible people must stand firm and let the crazies see that they can't force their insecurities upon our nation.

Our politicians, who should be in position to put a cap on this BS, are too busy groveling for votes to stand up against this craziness. Throw in the race card that's being played and there's no end in sight.

 

[iasooner1]

Catch this bs from fake news that they call "alt-right". This is square on Pelosi

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...Cancels-Rally-in-San-Francisco-441774533.html

 

[Sooner_Dynasty]

I don't know what you find so confusing or complicated about the Confederate statues removal. The statues are of people who were traitors. We are probably the only country in the world that have erected statues of traitors to the government.

 

[Sooner_Dynasty]

The Confederate battle flag was used by the KKK and other white supremist groups as a symbol. A statue was never used the same way.

You are not correct. The statues were not erected until the 1920's at the earliest during the peak of the Jim Crow era and more during the civil rights movement. It's also well known that Robert E Lee was against erecting any monuments to the Confederacy.

 

[Sooner_Dynasty]

They weren't traitors. If you believe this, then you must have been taught this. And you were taught wrong. Perhaps your history books were already cleansed to fit a mantra that was more to the likings of some. But that doesn't make it correct. They believed they were fighting for State's Rights as written by the founding fathers. You can't be so naive to believe the entire south fought to keep their slaves. 95% of those that fought had no slaves, owned no slaves. They fought because they believed their Federal Government was getting too big and making decisions they had no right to do. They wished to secede. Lincoln did not want this. He needed and wanted the resources of the south. A few facts... that your history classes left out.

Robert E. Lee was married to George Washington's grand daughter. BTW, Washington had slaves as well. So did Grant. Lee was also requested to lead the Northern Army by Lincoln but his heart & life was with the South. Another tidbit... Today's Arlington Cemetery was part of Lee's estate. He served his country before and AFTER the Civil War. Calling Lee a traitor is like calling Lincoln a traitor to the US Constitution.

Are you wanting all things George Washington, Jefferson and Grant removed as well?

They absolutely were traitors. Instead of working within the government they thought was getting "too big and making decisions they had no right to do" (like ending slavery). Many of them like Robert E Lee took an oath swearing to protect the Union and the Constitution. There is no "legal" way to secede from the US. That makes them traitors.

 

[iasooner1]

And it's also well-documented that the Clinton's worshipped Robert Byrd. Why isn't the 'tolerant' left trying to preserve instead of destroy ? Why didn't Clinton or Obama remove the statues ?

George Soros' dollars to destroy anyone ? It's tragic that antifa actually pulled down a "peace" statue by mistake in their ignorance

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

They absolutely were traitors. Instead of working within the government they thought was getting "too big and making decisions they had no right to do" (like ending slavery). Many of them like Robert E Lee took an oath swearing to protect the Union and the Constitution. There is no "legal" way to secede from the US. That makes them traitors.

Meh.... Whatever man... How do like living on land that your govt stole, and slaughtered nations of native Americans to acquire?

 

[CTOkie]

The Declaration of Independence could be interpreted (rightly or wrongly) as giving states the right to secede. I can't condemn the Southern cause for interpreting it this way and I surely won't label men like Lee, Davis, Houston, etc. as being traitors.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

They absolutely were traitors. Instead of working within the government they thought was getting "too big and making decisions they had no right to do" (like ending slavery). Many of them like Robert E Lee took an oath swearing to protect the Union and the Constitution. There is no "legal" way to secede from the US. That makes them traitors.

Sorry, but that last statement is flat out incorrect. If a state can apply for admission, then absent tyranny, due process requires that it can leave. Seriously, once you're in you can never get out? Like the mafia?

 

[iasooner1]

Thank you Counselor; you're contact info was also lost a few years ago; txt me sometime if you wish

 

[Sooner_Dynasty]

Sorry, but that last statement is flat out incorrect. If a state can apply for admission, then absent tyranny, due process requires that it can leave. Seriously, once you're in you can never get out? Like the mafia?

If you are actually a lawyer then you aren't much of one.

From the article "the court further held that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White

 

[iasooner1]

wiki; enough said...

 

[BillyRay]

I love Wikipedia as much as anyone...but you have to take what you read with a grain of salt. It's not a slam dunk resource.