OT: Horns back in the Top 10 thanks to Jay Norvell...

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:
JMISASANO, I see your numbers and they are credible. Definitely give you some ammo for a debate. But look at it from this point of view. Let's take Heupel the OC out of the equation and just like at Heupel the QB coach. Let's preface by saying QB is different to coach then WR but just for debates sake i'll bring it up. He had Paul Thompson, Sam Bradford, Landry Jones, and the recent crop of QBs. Paul, great team player but wasn't a QB. Sam and Landry? Enough said. Then you go to our recent crop of QBs. Bell gets moved to TE and TK regressed. TK gets hurt and we plug in Cody Thomas who looks horrible as a passer. After the Sam and Landry the development was piss poor. What makes matters worse is when you have a school like Zero State who plugs their 3rd string QB in big games and he looks like a baller. I feel Heupel should have been fired for QB development alone. Did the receivers stats for Jay that you provided look good? Yes. But when you have a handful of guys that are good that didn't come from a JUCO and then the replacement players that are highly ranked out of high school lay duds and don't produce, it looks bad when other schools are doing the opposite. I like Jay and wish him the best and I feel he should be there before guys like Kish. But the WR product last year was so bad that it had to be addressed. Just my 2 cents.

This post was edited on 1/28 2:05 PM by rush4life

Josh Heupel as a position QB coach in the spread was not an issue with Kevin Wilson helping him recruit QBs.

Josh Heupel as a Co-OC and Playcaller of his newly schemed offense was the issue.

And I agree to a certain extent, but you have to admit. It wasn't a coincidence that the passing game was nil once Sterling got hurt. That can't reflect good on the other receivers and the WR coach.

And...

It's not entirely Josh Heupel's fault. Someone approved his change in offensive philosophy, allowing him to spend a summer on a tour learning about the read option. That's an offense he had no experience coaching within.

He then takes a QB that has a high school % of 56% to step in as a RFr in 2013 to run that offense with no experience in college as a back-up. They pull that scheme, plug spread back in with Bell, then pull that scheme and plug Knight back again with another scheme. Josh Heupel stays with that scheme in 2014, which saw a two year average of 57% from Trevor Knight.

56% high school, 57% OU. You can't win many games against pass happy teams with a QB throwing those numbers.

The starting QB that takes the field next season will clear the air on this whole argument of the chicken or the egg.

Receivers named Sterling, Neal, Quick, Todd, and Mead will be on the field as well.







This post was edited on 1/28 2:43 PM by JMISASANO

And??? Was the receiver play last season exceptable? Just a simple yes or no....

Acceptable?

OU turned to the run game with Perine and Ross, which was the best solution to literally 5 Pick Sixes thrown along with 17 INTs.

 

[rush4life]

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:
JMISASANO, I see your numbers and they are credible. Definitely give you some ammo for a debate. But look at it from this point of view. Let's take Heupel the OC out of the equation and just like at Heupel the QB coach. Let's preface by saying QB is different to coach then WR but just for debates sake i'll bring it up. He had Paul Thompson, Sam Bradford, Landry Jones, and the recent crop of QBs. Paul, great team player but wasn't a QB. Sam and Landry? Enough said. Then you go to our recent crop of QBs. Bell gets moved to TE and TK regressed. TK gets hurt and we plug in Cody Thomas who looks horrible as a passer. After the Sam and Landry the development was piss poor. What makes matters worse is when you have a school like Zero State who plugs their 3rd string QB in big games and he looks like a baller. I feel Heupel should have been fired for QB development alone. Did the receivers stats for Jay that you provided look good? Yes. But when you have a handful of guys that are good that didn't come from a JUCO and then the replacement players that are highly ranked out of high school lay duds and don't produce, it looks bad when other schools are doing the opposite. I like Jay and wish him the best and I feel he should be there before guys like Kish. But the WR product last year was so bad that it had to be addressed. Just my 2 cents.

This post was edited on 1/28 2:05 PM by rush4life

Josh Heupel as a position QB coach in the spread was not an issue with Kevin Wilson helping him recruit QBs.

Josh Heupel as a Co-OC and Playcaller of his newly schemed offense was the issue.

And I agree to a certain extent, but you have to admit. It wasn't a coincidence that the passing game was nil once Sterling got hurt. That can't reflect good on the other receivers and the WR coach.

And...

It's not entirely Josh Heupel's fault. Someone approved his change in offensive philosophy, allowing him to spend a summer on a tour learning about the read option. That's an offense he had no experience coaching within.

He then takes a QB that has a high school % of 56% to step in as a RFr in 2013 to run that offense with no experience in college as a back-up. They pull that scheme, plug spread back in with Bell, then pull that scheme and plug Knight back again with another scheme. Josh Heupel stays with that scheme in 2014, which saw a two year average of 57% from Trevor Knight.

56% high school, 57% OU. You can't win many games against pass happy teams with a QB throwing those numbers.

The starting QB that takes the field next season will clear the air on this whole argument of the chicken or the egg.

Receivers named Sterling, Neal, Quick, Todd, and Mead will be on the field as well.







This post was edited on 1/28 2:43 PM by JMISASANO

And??? Was the receiver play last season exceptable? Just a simple yes or no....

Acceptable?

OU turned to the run game with Perine and Ross, which was the best solution to literally 5 Pick Sixes thrown along with 17 INTs.

I like how you caught my typo yet ignored the question. Are you gonna answer it English teacher?

 

[BillyRay]

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Analytical capacity isn't your best attribute.

And seeing Norvell's painfully obvious shortcomings isn't your best attribute either. Man crushes will do that though.

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:
JMISASANO, I see your numbers and they are credible. Definitely give you some ammo for a debate. But look at it from this point of view. Let's take Heupel the OC out of the equation and just like at Heupel the QB coach. Let's preface by saying QB is different to coach then WR but just for debates sake i'll bring it up. He had Paul Thompson, Sam Bradford, Landry Jones, and the recent crop of QBs. Paul, great team player but wasn't a QB. Sam and Landry? Enough said. Then you go to our recent crop of QBs. Bell gets moved to TE and TK regressed. TK gets hurt and we plug in Cody Thomas who looks horrible as a passer. After the Sam and Landry the development was piss poor. What makes matters worse is when you have a school like Zero State who plugs their 3rd string QB in big games and he looks like a baller. I feel Heupel should have been fired for QB development alone. Did the receivers stats for Jay that you provided look good? Yes. But when you have a handful of guys that are good that didn't come from a JUCO and then the replacement players that are highly ranked out of high school lay duds and don't produce, it looks bad when other schools are doing the opposite. I like Jay and wish him the best and I feel he should be there before guys like Kish. But the WR product last year was so bad that it had to be addressed. Just my 2 cents.

This post was edited on 1/28 2:05 PM by rush4life

Josh Heupel as a position QB coach in the spread was not an issue with Kevin Wilson helping him recruit QBs.

Josh Heupel as a Co-OC and Playcaller of his newly schemed offense was the issue.

And I agree to a certain extent, but you have to admit. It wasn't a coincidence that the passing game was nil once Sterling got hurt. That can't reflect good on the other receivers and the WR coach.

And...

It's not entirely Josh Heupel's fault. Someone approved his change in offensive philosophy, allowing him to spend a summer on a tour learning about the read option. That's an offense he had no experience coaching within.

He then takes a QB that has a high school % of 56% to step in as a RFr in 2013 to run that offense with no experience in college as a back-up. They pull that scheme, plug spread back in with Bell, then pull that scheme and plug Knight back again with another scheme. Josh Heupel stays with that scheme in 2014, which saw a two year average of 57% from Trevor Knight.

56% high school, 57% OU. You can't win many games against pass happy teams with a QB throwing those numbers.

The starting QB that takes the field next season will clear the air on this whole argument of the chicken or the egg.

Receivers named Sterling, Neal, Quick, Todd, and Mead will be on the field as well.







This post was edited on 1/28 2:43 PM by JMISASANO

And??? Was the receiver play last season exceptable? Just a simple yes or no....

Acceptable?

OU turned to the run game with Perine and Ross, which was the best solution to literally 5 Pick Sixes thrown along with 17 INTs.

I like how you caught my typo yet ignored the question. Are you gonna answer it English teacher?

Honestly, I had no idea, if it was "expected" or "acceptable"?

(I could give a hoot about typos as I do it all the time.)

I didn't "expect" the offensive scheme to be so poorly playcalled and/or poorly schemed.

That was truly "unacceptable" as Trevor Knight had his legs tied for most of the season for some odd reason, so that may have hurt his numbers as well. I don't know because 56% in high school and 57% after two years is pretty consistent to his long-term body of work.

I would love to see an OC help him improve on those numbers or any QB on the depth chart.



This post was edited on 1/28 1:16 PM by JMISASANO

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Analytical capacity isn't your best attribute.

And seeing Norvell's painfully obvious shortcomings isn't your best attribute either.

I'm too analytically focused on Jay Norvell's WR Corp's body of work on the field to worry about other attributes.

It appears Charlie Strong and Paul Chryst agreed with that approach as well.

 

[rush4life]

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:
JMISASANO, I see your numbers and they are credible. Definitely give you some ammo for a debate. But look at it from this point of view. Let's take Heupel the OC out of the equation and just like at Heupel the QB coach. Let's preface by saying QB is different to coach then WR but just for debates sake i'll bring it up. He had Paul Thompson, Sam Bradford, Landry Jones, and the recent crop of QBs. Paul, great team player but wasn't a QB. Sam and Landry? Enough said. Then you go to our recent crop of QBs. Bell gets moved to TE and TK regressed. TK gets hurt and we plug in Cody Thomas who looks horrible as a passer. After the Sam and Landry the development was piss poor. What makes matters worse is when you have a school like Zero State who plugs their 3rd string QB in big games and he looks like a baller. I feel Heupel should have been fired for QB development alone. Did the receivers stats for Jay that you provided look good? Yes. But when you have a handful of guys that are good that didn't come from a JUCO and then the replacement players that are highly ranked out of high school lay duds and don't produce, it looks bad when other schools are doing the opposite. I like Jay and wish him the best and I feel he should be there before guys like Kish. But the WR product last year was so bad that it had to be addressed. Just my 2 cents.

This post was edited on 1/28 2:05 PM by rush4life

Josh Heupel as a position QB coach in the spread was not an issue with Kevin Wilson helping him recruit QBs.

Josh Heupel as a Co-OC and Playcaller of his newly schemed offense was the issue.

And I agree to a certain extent, but you have to admit. It wasn't a coincidence that the passing game was nil once Sterling got hurt. That can't reflect good on the other receivers and the WR coach.

And...

It's not entirely Josh Heupel's fault. Someone approved his change in offensive philosophy, allowing him to spend a summer on a tour learning about the read option. That's an offense he had no experience coaching within.

He then takes a QB that has a high school % of 56% to step in as a RFr in 2013 to run that offense with no experience in college as a back-up. They pull that scheme, plug spread back in with Bell, then pull that scheme and plug Knight back again with another scheme. Josh Heupel stays with that scheme in 2014, which saw a two year average of 57% from Trevor Knight.

56% high school, 57% OU. You can't win many games against pass happy teams with a QB throwing those numbers.

The starting QB that takes the field next season will clear the air on this whole argument of the chicken or the egg.

Receivers named Sterling, Neal, Quick, Todd, and Mead will be on the field as well.







This post was edited on 1/28 2:43 PM by JMISASANO

And??? Was the receiver play last season exceptable? Just a simple yes or no....

Acceptable?

OU turned to the run game with Perine and Ross, which was the best solution to literally 5 Pick Sixes thrown along with 17 INTs.

I like how you caught my typo yet ignored the question. Are you gonna answer it English teacher?

Honestly, I had no idea, if it was "expected" or "acceptable"?

(I could give a hoot about typos as I do it all the time.)

I didn't "expect" the offensive scheme to be so poorly playcalled and/or poorly schemed.

That was truly "unacceptable" as Trevor Knight had his legs tied for most of the season for some odd reason, so that may have hurt his numbers as well. I don't know because 56% in high school and 57% after two years is pretty consistent to his long-term body of work.

I would love to see an OC help him improve on those numbers or any QB on the depth chart.



This post was edited on 1/28 1:16 PM by JMISASANO

I've "accepted" the fact that you can't answer a simple question which tells me all I need to know. Good day sir.

 

[rush4life]

Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Analytical capacity isn't your best attribute.

And seeing Norvell's painfully obvious shortcomings isn't your best attribute either. Man crushes will do that though.

I've "accepted" that this may be the case.

 

[rush4life]

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Analytical capacity isn't your best attribute.

And seeing Norvell's painfully obvious shortcomings isn't your best attribute either.

I'm too analytically focused on Jay Norvell's WR Corp's body of work on the field to worry about other attributes.

It appears Charlie Strong and Paul Chryst agreed with that approach as well.

Yet you're too stubborn to answer my very simple question. And you keep bringing up his body of work... Let Nick Saban completely flop the next couple of years and see if his "body of work" will keep him from being fired. That body of work my help with your next gig IE Jay to UT but it is about "what have you done for me lately". Everyone with sense knows this.

And please stop bringing up "Charlie Strong and Paul Chryst agreed".... No one is saying Jay isn't an upgrade from what UT had previously. Just that the WR play this year and the development was "unacceptable".

This post was edited on 1/28 3:34 PM by rush4life

This post was edited on 1/28 1:36 PM by rush4life

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Analytical capacity isn't your best attribute.

Man crushes

I've "accepted" that this

Stay on topic, please.

 

[rush4life]

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Analytical capacity isn't your best attribute.

Man crushes

I've "accepted" that this

Stay on topic, please.

How old are you? Stay on topic and answer my question

This post was edited on 1/28 3:31 PM by rush4life

 

[Jaaa]

Wondering why you chose UT and Bama to compare numbers against. Bama has been a power running football team since Saban got there. Their passing numbers shouldn't be in the same stratosphere as OU's.

UT went away from the zone read attack once Colt left. Their receivers (not named Shipley) have been a hot mess. Wonder why they needed to hire a WR coach?

You keep harping on Chryst - Wisconsin ran the ball 65% of the time in 2014. Melvin Gordon had more RUSHING attempts than the team had passing attempts. Paul Chryst's Pitt team ran it 66% of the time. So suddenly because he wants to hire Norvell Chryst is some passing savant?

Just admit your a horn fan and be done with this charade.

I don't hide the fact that my oldest son is a student at UT, why hide your fan boy status?

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Analytical capacity isn't your best attribute.

Man crushes

I've "accepted" this

Stay on topic, please.

Answer my question

I thought I did.

Ask again.

Perhaps I don't understand the question.

 

[rush4life]

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by rush4life:

Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Analytical capacity isn't your best attribute.

Man crushes

I've "accepted" this

Stay on topic, please.

Answer my question

I thought I did.

Ask again.

Perhaps I don't understand the question.

I will try again...... Don't want to hear about the QB or the OC or the schemes. Was the WR play last season acceptable? Yes or no

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by Jaaa:

Wondering why you chose UT and Bama to compare numbers against. Bama has been a power running football team since Saban got there. Their passing numbers shouldn't be in the same stratosphere as OU's.

UT went away from the zone read attack once Colt left. Their receivers (not named Shipley) have been a hot mess. Wonder why they needed to hire a WR coach?

You keep harping on Chryst - Wisconsin ran the ball 65% of the time in 2014. Melvin Gordon had more RUSHING attempts than the team had passing attempts. Paul Chryst's Pitt team ran it 66% of the time. So suddenly because he wants to hire Norvell Chryst is some passing savant?

Just admit your a horn fan and be done with this charade.

I don't hide the fact that my oldest son is a student at UT, why hide your fan boy status?

If you want to compare other teams, do it yourself.

HCs still needed to hire stout WR position coaches on their staffs.

Should we fire Cale Gundy now that we are a spread team that will pass 60%?

Silly arguments once again.

I'm an OU grad.

Who cares about UT? Not me.

 

[BillyRay]

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Analytical capacity isn't your best attribute.

And seeing Norvell's painfully obvious shortcomings isn't your best attribute either.

I'm too analytically focused on Jay Norvell's WR Corp's body of work on the field to worry about other attributes.

It appears Charlie Strong and Paul Chryst agreed with that approach as well.

The only body of work that has been proven in this thread is the incredible amount of wasted talent Norvell recruited to OU that didn't measure up to their expected potential coming out of high school. It's quite possible Strong was looking at Norvell's recruiting ability when looking to bring him on, or possibly a new challenge and "second chance" may make Norvell actually step up and put a bit more effort into trying to actually coach up players

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Analytical capacity isn't your best attribute.

And seeing Norvell's painfully obvious shortcomings isn't your best attribute either.

I'm too analytically focused on Jay Norvell's WR Corp's body of work on the field to worry about other attributes.

It appears Charlie Strong and Paul Chryst agreed with that approach as well.

The only body of work that has been proven in this thread is....

Let's compare with UT vs Norvell.

Jay Norvell seven years at OU....2008-2014[/B]

OU - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:[/B]

Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 3,220 (QB 67%)

Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 2,800 (QB 58%)

Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 3,450 (QB 66%)

Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 3,330 (QB 63%)

Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 3,540 (QB 66%)

Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,200 (QB 58%)

Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,000 (QB 54%)

TOTAL = 20,540 RECEIVING YARDS

UT - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:[/B]

Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 3,460 (QB 77%)

Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 2,985 (QB 67%)

Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 2,340 (QB 59%)

Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 1,850 (QB 58%)

Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 2,750 (QB 67%)

Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,345 (QB 57%)

Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,130 (QB 58%)

TOTAL = 17,860 RECEIVING YARDS

Looks like Jay Norvell's WR Corp had 2,680 more receiving yards than the horn's WR Corp.

Let's compare with Bama vs Norvell.

Jay Norvell seven years at OU....2008-2014

OU - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:

Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 3,220 (QB 67%)

Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 2,800 (QB 58%)

Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 3,450 (QB 66%)

Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 3,330 (QB 63%)

Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 3,540 (QB 66%)

Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,200 (QB 58%)

Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,000 (QB 54%)

TOTAL = 20,540 RECEIVING YARDS[/B]

Bama - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:

Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 1,980 (QB 58%)

Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 1,600 (QB 61%)

Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 2,360 (QB 70%)

Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 1,750 (QB 66%)

Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 2,410 (QB 67%)

Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,435 (QB 66%)

Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,940 (QB 64%)

TOTAL = 15,475 RECEIVING YARDS[/B]

Looks like Jay Norvell's WR Corp had 5,065 more receiving yards than Bama's WR Corp.



This post was edited on 1/28 4:27 PM by JMISASANO

 

[rush4life]

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Analytical capacity isn't your best attribute.

And seeing Norvell's painfully obvious shortcomings isn't your best attribute either.

I'm too analytically focused on Jay Norvell's WR Corp's body of work on the field to worry about other attributes.

It appears Charlie Strong and Paul Chryst agreed with that approach as well.

The only body of work that has been proven in this thread is....

Let's compare with UT vs Norvell.

Jay Norvell seven years at OU....2008-2014[/B]

OU - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:[/B]

Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 3,220 (QB 67%)

Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 2,800 (QB 58%)

Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 3,450 (QB 66%)

Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 3,330 (QB 63%)

Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 3,540 (QB 66%)

Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,200 (QB 58%)

Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,000 (QB 54%)

TOTAL = 20,540 RECEIVING YARDS

UT - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:[/B]

Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 3,460 (QB 77%)

Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 2,985 (QB 67%)

Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 2,340 (QB 59%)

Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 1,850 (QB 58%)

Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 2,750 (QB 67%)

Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,345 (QB 57%)

Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,130 (QB 58%)

TOTAL = 17,860 RECEIVING YARDS

Looks like Jay Norvell's WR Corp had 2,680 more receiving yards than the horn's WR Corp.

Let's compare with Bama vs Norvell.

Jay Norvell seven years at OU....2008-2014

OU - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:

Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 3,220 (QB 67%)

Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 2,800 (QB 58%)

Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 3,450 (QB 66%)

Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 3,330 (QB 63%)

Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 3,540 (QB 66%)

Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,200 (QB 58%)

Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,000 (QB 54%)

TOTAL = 20,540 RECEIVING YARDS[/B]

Bama - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:

Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 1,980 (QB 58%)

Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 1,600 (QB 61%)

Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 2,360 (QB 70%)

Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 1,750 (QB 66%)

Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 2,410 (QB 67%)

Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,435 (QB 66%)

Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,940 (QB 64%)

TOTAL = 15,475 RECEIVING YARDS[/B]

Looks like Jay Norvell's WR Corp had 5,065 more receiving yards than Bama's WR Corp.



This post was edited on 1/28 4:27 PM by JMISASANO

Are we going to act like Bama isn't a dominate run team??? OU should have more yards. I've given you credit for some of your points but this one makes no sense.

 

[Oklabama]

I looked up the offensive STATS for UT last year. Tyrone Swoops' completion percentage was 58.%, 13 TD s, 11 INTs. Does this sound familiar? So what does this mean for Jay Norvell? Sounds like he is in the same predicament he was in at OU. Accept for David Ash's 34 attempts before his decision to quit for medical reasons, Swoops was the Horn's' only QB to attempt a pass last year. 474 rushing plays to 418 passing plays. Ash had 34 attempts. If the reason for Jay's poor WR stats at OU for 2013 and 2014 was because Trevor and Blake's completion percentages were sub par, Jay just may have another excuse if the results for Texas aren't better this season. Smart move, Jay.

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by Oklabama:
I looked up the offensive STATS for UT last year. Tyrone Swoops' completion percentage was 58.%, 13 TD s, 11 INTs. Does this sound familiar? So what does this mean for Jay Norvell? Sounds like he is in the same predicament he was in at OU. Accept for David Ash's 34 attempts before his decision to quit for medical reasons, Swoops was the Horn's' only QB to attempt a pass last year. 474 rushing plays to 418 passing plays. Ash had 34 attempts. If the reason for Jay's poor WR stats at OU for 2013 and 2014 was because Trevor and Blake's completion percentages were sub par, Jay just may have another excuse if the results for Texas aren't better this season. Smart move, Jay.

We'll see soon enough.

How many Pick Sixes did Swoops have in 2015?

Some believe Jerrod Heard is their guy unless Kyler Murray plays football at UT.

 

[BillyRay]

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Looks like Jay Norvell's WR Corp had 5,065 more receiving yards than Bama's WR Corp.

So?? How is that even relevant??? I'm seriously beginning to think you are just trolling us in this thread.....

 

[rush4life]

Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by JMISASANO:

Looks like Jay Norvell's WR Corp had 5,065 more receiving yards than Bama's WR Corp.

So?? How is that even relevant??? I'm seriously beginning to think you are just trolling us in this thread.....

He has yet to answer my question on whether or not the WR play was acceptable last season. Starting to think the seam think when he tries to compare OU passing offense with Bama's. Talk about a "silly argument"

 

[Medic007]

A few quick thoughts...

JMISASANO will continue the circular, irrelevant, and straw arguments until the end of time or until he finds something else shiny to occupy him. It's just what he does.

Which brings me to another thought. Norvell was let go because he wasn't producing. The WR position is a mess and outside of Shepard, OU won't be returning any receivers that have proven they can be consistent. Is the talent actually there? We won't know until they can prove it on the field. John Elway would have a difficult time making those behind Shepard look good at this point.

Hopefully Stoops hires somebody that can come in and coach this supposed abundance of talent back to production on the field. It's going to take some work in a short time. It's clear most posting on this thread are very aware of this fact. Bob Stoops was very aware.

No sense in letting yourself be drug into the mindless argument, unless of course it entertains you. We should be looking forward to what the next coach can bring to OU. Norvell is gone, in the rear view mirror, FIRED! JMISASANO can continue his love for Norvell. The rest of us don't have to put up with the irritation of the inferior product Norvell produced any longer. Hooray!
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[rush4life]

Originally posted by Medic007:
A few quick thoughts...

JMISASANO will continue the circular, irrelevant, and straw arguments until the end of time or until he finds something else shiny to occupy him. It's just what he does.

Which brings me to another thought. Norvell was let go because he wasn't producing. The WR position is a mess and outside of Shepard, OU won't be returning any receivers that have proven they can be consistent. Is the talent actually there? We won't know until they can prove it on the field. John Elway would have a difficult time making those behind Shepard look good at this point.

Hopefully Stoops hires somebody that can come in and coach this supposed abundance of talent back to production on the field. It's going to take some work in a short time. It's clear most posting on this thread are very aware of this fact. Bob Stoops was very aware.

No sense in letting yourself be drug into the mindless argument, unless of course it entertains you. We should be looking forward to what the next coach can bring to OU. Norvell is gone, in the rear view mirror, FIRED! JMISASANO can continue his love for Norvell. The rest of us don't have to put up with the irritation of the inferior product Norvell produced any longer. Hooray!
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BTW jay is a good guy. I like him a lot.... but I love my Sooners! It was time..

 

[BillyRay]

Originally posted by Medic007:
A few quick thoughts...

JMISASANO will continue the circular, irrelevant, and straw arguments until the end of time or until he finds something else shiny to occupy him. It's just what he does.

Which brings me to another thought. Norvell was let go because he wasn't producing. The WR position is a mess and outside of Shepard, OU won't be returning any receivers that have proven they can be consistent. Is the talent actually there? We won't know until they can prove it on the field. John Elway would have a difficult time making those behind Shepard look good at this point.

Hopefully Stoops hires somebody that can come in and coach this supposed abundance of talent back to production on the field. It's going to take some work in a short time. It's clear most posting on this thread are very aware of this fact. Bob Stoops was very aware.

No sense in letting yourself be drug into the mindless argument, unless of course it entertains you. We should be looking forward to what the next coach can bring to OU. Norvell is gone, in the rear view mirror, FIRED! JMISASANO can continue his love for Norvell. The rest of us don't have to put up with the irritation of the inferior product Norvell produced any longer. Hooray!
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[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by BillyRay:

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Let's compare with UT vs Norvell.

Jay Norvell seven years at OU....2008-2014[/B]

OU - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:[/B]

Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 3,220 (QB 67%)

Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 2,800 (QB 58%)

Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 3,450 (QB 66%)

Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 3,330 (QB 63%)

Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 3,540 (QB 66%)

Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,200 (QB 58%)

Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,000 (QB 54%)

TOTAL = 20,540 RECEIVING YARDS

UT - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:[/B]

Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 3,460 (QB 77%)

Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 2,985 (QB 67%)

Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 2,340 (QB 59%)

Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 1,850 (QB 58%)

Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 2,750 (QB 67%)

Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,345 (QB 57%)

Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,130 (QB 58%)

TOTAL = 17,860 RECEIVING YARDS

Looks like Jay Norvell's WR Corp had 2,680 more receiving yards than the horn's WR Corp.

Let's compare with Bama vs Norvell.[/B]

Jay Norvell seven years at OU....2008-2014

OU - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:[/B]

Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 3,220 (QB 67%)

Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 2,800 (QB 58%)

Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 3,450 (QB 66%)

Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 3,330 (QB 63%)

Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 3,540 (QB 66%)

Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,200 (QB 58%)

Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,000 (QB 54%)

TOTAL = 20,540 RECEIVING YARDS[/B]

Bama - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:

Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 1,980 (QB 58%)

Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 1,600 (QB 61%)

Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 2,360 (QB 70%)

Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 1,750 (QB 66%)

Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 2,410 (QB 67%)

Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,435 (QB 66%)

Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,940 (QB 64%)

TOTAL = 15,475 RECEIVING YARDS[/B]

Looks like Jay Norvell's WR Corp had 5,065 more receiving yards than Bama's WR Corp.[/B]



This post was edited on 1/28 5:34 PM by JMISASANO

 

[BillyRay]

 

[SoonerMikee05]

And we don't know for sure that Mike still has his job. There's evidence out there that says otherwise referencing Mike's interview with Les. I think Kish is definitely gone after NSD, and maybe Mike too. Montgomery might be our new DC, with new LB and DL coaches.

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by SoonerMikee05:
And we don't know for sure that Mike still has his job. There's evidence out there that says otherwise referencing Mike's interview with Les. I think Kish is definitely gone after NSD, and maybe Mike too. Montgomery might be our new DC, with new LB and DL coaches.

What about Mike Stoops?

Les Miles hire a DC named Kevin Steele, and completed his staff weeks ago.

Not sure that I follow.

 

[Medic007]

I like him too rush4life. I wish him success in his latest job. But, as Mack Brown and others have proven, being a likable guy doesn't mean results on the field. The results weren't there and thus Norvell is longer here.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[barkingwater2000]

JM you are starting to remind me of somebody

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by barkingwater2000:
JM you are starting to remind me of somebody

Stay on topic.

Those that continue to make this thread about me, have no true arguments to the facts.

Let's compare with UT vs Norvell.


Jay Norvell seven years at OU....2008-2014


OU - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:


Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 3,220 (QB 67%)


Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 2,800 (QB 58%)


Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 3,450 (QB 66%)


Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 3,330 (QB 63%)


Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 3,540 (QB 66%)


Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,200 (QB 58%)


Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,000 (QB 54%)


TOTAL = 20,540 RECEIVING YARDS[/B]


UT - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:


Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 3,460 (QB 77%)


Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 2,985 (QB 67%)


Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 2,340 (QB 59%)


Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 1,850 (QB 58%)


Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 2,750 (QB 67%)


Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,345 (QB 57%)


Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,130 (QB 58%)


TOTAL = 17,860 RECEIVING YARDS[/B]


Looks like Jay Norvell's WR Corp had 2,680 more receiving yards than the horn's WR Corp.


Let's compare with Bama vs Norvell.


Jay Norvell seven years at OU....2008-2014


OU - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:


Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 3,220 (QB 67%)


Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 2,800 (QB 58%)


Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 3,450 (QB 66%)


Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 3,330 (QB 63%)


Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 3,540 (QB 66%)


Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,200 (QB 58%)


Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,000 (QB 54%)


TOTAL = 20,540 RECEIVING YARDS[/B]


Bama - WR Receiving Corp vs QB Complete %:


Year 2008 - WR receiving yards = 1,980 (QB 58%)


Year 2009 - WR receiving yards = 1,600 (QB 61%)


Year 2010 - WR receiving yards = 2,360 (QB 70%)


Year 2011 - WR receiving yards = 1,750 (QB 66%)


Year 2012 - WR receiving yards = 2,410 (QB 67%)


Year 2013 - WR receiving yards = 2,435 (QB 66%)


Year 2014 - WR receiving yards = 2,940 (QB 64%)


TOTAL = 15,475 RECEIVING YARDS[/B]


Looks like Jay Norvell's WR Corp had 5,065 more receiving yards than Bama's WR Corp.




This post was edited on 1/28 6:53 PM by JMISASANO

 

[Medic007]

Oh, I think barkingwater is dead on topic. Thanks though.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[BillyRay]

Originally posted by SoonerMikee05:
And we don't know for sure that Mike still has his job. There's evidence out there that says otherwise referencing Mike's interview with Les. I think Kish is definitely gone after NSD, and maybe Mike too. Montgomery might be our new DC, with new LB and DL coaches.

I don't see Bob pushing his brother out the door after just 3 years, but some have suspected that Kish could very well be gone after NSD. Maybe Bob was waiting to see how recruiting would play out for the guy and if he could close the deal on some recruits in this class then he could save his job. But so far that isn't panning out for Kish. It really is hard to believe that with the current situation at LB, that OU doesn't have players lined up ready to come play for OU.

 

[Sooners83]

OMG....this has to be the world record of worst threads ever on this board. I have to follow through the copy of a post..the replies....then a reply to a reply....get a grip people.

 

[Soonerborn59]

Actually JM the majority have stayed on topic but when evidence has been shown that your Norvell has had more than his share of bust you just ignore the obvious. Jaa posted a list of facts to counter your argument but yet you dismiss them completely. I guess you dont like facts thrown back at you. Rush asked you a simple question and yet you still have no answer.

In the meantime along the way you post those childish laughing emotions when someone counters you about Norvel. That in itself says a lot about you. Norvell had some success but at the same he failed just as much as he succeeded. In fact I would say he failed more than succeeded. Yet you act as if he shoulders no blame in the offensive failures and instead ace it all at the feet of Heuple and Knight. You are reacting in the same way as you did when Bell failed at QB . It was never Bells fault no matter how poorly he played. Now your new crusade is your love for Norvel and i stead of holding him as accountable as you hold Heupel and Knight he is beyond critisism from you.

I wonder if your work ethics are like this. When you screw up Im sure its someone elses fault and not yours. You need to learn to hold everyone equally accountable instead of attacking those coaches and players you have a dislike for. Its obvious in this thread you talk about facts but yet ignore the facts thrown back at you.

 

[Sooners83]

just when I thought I lost some more of my lifetime reading drool...59 comes through with what is what. Great post 59

 

[rush4life]

Originally posted by Sooners83:
OMG....this has to be the world record of worst threads ever on this board. I have to follow through the copy of a post..the replies....then a reply to a reply....get a grip people.

Come on now Hall of Famer..... You've been around for a while. Surly you've seen worse.

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by Soonerborn59:
Norvell had some success but at the same he failed just as much as he succeeded. In fact I would say he failed more than succeeded.

I won't address the tit for tat as I held ground to numbers, while others were tossing around mancrush and teacher, etc. I'm sure more was in certain posts. That person is on ignore by me, so I can't read it.

I've made it very clear that Jay Norvell as Co-OC should have been fired. I hope that it is very clear.

I've also made it very clear that Jay Norvell as a position WR coach has great value, so I can understand why Charlie Strong and Paul Chryst wanted to interview him within 48 hours of his release.

Regardless..

Everywhere I've been responsible for annual direct budget handling over $170M and indirect market roll-up region meetings of a $1B, the numbers have been our north. It's what C-Suite management ever cares about. They don't want adverbs or adjectives or even passion. They want hard numbers, let all the other stuff roll downhill.

So...

When I ran Jay Norvell's on the field performance stats, I truly had no idea of their outcome. I was actually shocked to see Jay Norvell's numbers on the field were that high years 3, 4, and 5, then thought "why not compare them with Bama because I compared WR production with Saban's WRs before". So, I did. Once again, I came away with numbers that were surprisingly in favor of Jay Norvell. I thought, "let's try a team within the conference that has had success passing the ball over the years, since Jay Norvell has been here". That was UT. When I ran those numbers, I still couldn't believe the results.

Not sure what professions or how large budgets those deny success for Jay Norvell have managed or manage, but hard number have always been the reason for every integral part of my salary. I'm sure Charlie Strong will reward Jay Norvell with that same formula in mind.

The counter argument was "who cares about stats on the field because Norvell couldn't develop all that talent, forcing him to bring JUCOs and Transfers onboard". I assume that person doesn't believe a WR position coach develops JUCOs or has any coaching towards Transfers' success on the field. How is it possible someone would bring that argument to his job performance? Does that person believe the NFL WR position coaches don't coach anymore either?

So, that's when the "I'll focus on the field performance stats and you can focus on those that couldn't get on the field" banter began.

Bob Stoops rattled off "total offensive stats" and "total 3rd down conversion rates" during his press conference, justifying the new hire of sole OC Lincoln Riley. Most of the same posters that are arguing against the stats even argued that Bob could care less about stats. Well, we know Bob's position on stats today as he is on record spouting them off quite effectively.

That's the current status of this thread and Jay Norvell's numbers resulted in a WR position coach gig at a Top 5 program.

Do not continue to post the same long drawn out "stats" with every post you make. You have already posted them numerous times for us all to marvel at. The continued posting of them is making the thread completely unreadable. The next time I'll just remove your entire post. Medic007


This post was edited on 1/28 7:20 PM by Medic007

This post was edited on 1/28 7:26 PM by JMISASANO

 

[veritas59]

Originally posted by barkingwater2000:
JM you are starting to remind me of somebody

He reminds me of the black knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by veritas59:

0 substance

fify

But, you knew that.