I agree w/ a lot of what you said but Clemson is in the ACC and BV recruited those big uglies that beat us.... twice.
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I agree w/ a lot of what you said but Clemson is in the ACC and BV recruited those big uglies that beat us.... twice.
CT, that night when OU won that natty against FSU, I would have bet my life that OU would have another 3-4 natty's if you were to tell me Bob would be here another 16 years. He was literally the Nick Saban of college football back then. Nobody had ever seen such an impressive turnaround for a program that had been god awful before he arrived.
There has been ALOT of talk over on the pay board for a while now that in the years you are referencing that Bob and his staff simply got lazy when it came to recruiting for some years. They just got complacent and backed off recruiting being such a high priority. And that Bob really hadn't noticed how much of a dropoff had occurred until really the last several seasons, which is when he opened his eyes and started changing up his staff. I have read alot that Mike had alot to do with it in that him and Bob went round and round about recruiting when Mike saw how much the talent level at OU had dropped off when he got back on OUs staff compared to the talent OU had when he left for Arizona.
I do think Bob has put a much higher priority on recruiting in the last few years, but I also think it will take some time and alot of hard work to reverse the course. But no doubt recruiting has picked up. From what I have read over on the pay board with recruiting updates, OU is still in on FAR MORE elite kids for this time of year than they had been in previous years. Previous years OU would have already been scratched off the lists of these elite kids. Now, OU is still on their lists. That doesn't guarantee that OU is going to land them, but it's encouraging to see OU still in the hunt for kids that in the past prolly would have already turned away.
There are always going to be a few posters who go to the extremes of everything. But literally you are really talking about just a few posters whom have shown a ridiculous level of disappointment and anger towards Bob and the staff. The overwhelming message on this board since the loss has been pretty damn positive. Don't let a few bad apples tarnish your view of the board as a whole. I will say this, so far this board is BY FAR the most positive after a loss than I've seen in years. Usually after losses the vast majority go full retard and act like the world is coming to an end. Same with the pay board, those guys are 100x worse. And even over there it's been overwhelmingly positive.
MNC = Mythical National Championship and I believe 8-9 is the bowl record under Stoops.
Ahh, humor...priceless. Reasonable thinking...suspect. You agreeing with Pt. and Jeff is all I needed to know about your rational thoughts.Home runs...ah, you do bring the direly needed component of humor to this berg.
We should never lose the ability to laugh...a lot.
Bob is being out-recruited in his own conference to, at the present, Baylor. And, recruiting is the lifeblood of any university sports.
You really, really believe Bob's best days are ahead of him? Now that is true humor. All I can say is WOW!
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Soonersincefitty
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Well, if you want to make this personal we can.
Just be aware of your limitations.
Undeniable truth. Bob's record after 5 years on the job: 55-11 (.870). Today: 179-46 (.796). First 5 years was up in the Rockne Leahey Meyer league. The NCAA requires 5 years on the job to make the list. After 5 years, Phil Fulmer enjoyed similar status.
I pray we don't have another Phil Fulmer.
In 2001, we introduced the annual "how could this possibly happen?" loss at Stillwater. We had no such loss in 2008. Last was UT 2015. After Washington State in the Rose came the too common embarrassing bowl loss.
I hope we can avoid these two events in 2016.
I pray we don't have another Phil Fulmer.
In 2001, we introduced the annual "how could this possibly happen?" loss at Stillwater. We had no such loss in 2008. Last was UT 2015. After Washington State in the Rose came the too common embarrassing bowl loss.
I hope we can avoid these two events in 2016.
"Yes, our current recruiting is very good and perhaps better than last year's class. But, will it wind up even the best in our conference?"
Bob never needed THE best recruiting class in the conference. Texas nearly always won that, but OU usually still came up on top.
And you admit that we're trending up, but just assume we will trend down again later.
"Trends are a-changing and when their talent becomes eventually superior to ours, they will begin blowing us out, imho"
Most people believed their talent was already better than our this year, and we still won.
"I don't believe we beat Baylor and TCU this year had Russell and Boykin played. We win in Stillwater no matter who QB'd the Pokes. So, my contention is that we would have been a 3 loss conference team had we not been extremely fortunate. Again, it's all one's perspective. You obviously disagree."
Clearly, I disagree. If TCU has Boykin all game and we have Mayfield all game, yes, we still win. Stidham was Russell's equal and we won.
Did you give Bob any leeway when OU lost key players like starting QBs in 2009 & 2014?
"Wow! Can't believe where you put Bob on your list of the country's coaches. Again, perspective."
Yes. Perspective. Mine is based on rational thought and factual information. Yours seems to be based on what ifs.
"YOU said Bob has been a "great" coach over his tenure. I choose to use "fine" instead since his Natty year. Again, perspective. He's had some amazing victories and too many upset/heart-breaking losses in that tenure. I would say he was a "lucky" coach in 2015 following a crappy 2014."
Yes, i did and I stand by it. I measure it based on what he has accomplished compared to other coaches, all-timers and contemporaries. In no logical way has Bob Stoops tenure at OU simply been "fine".
Aside from Meyer and Saban, who hasn't had a lot of upset heart-breakers? Didn't your beloved Patterson blow the Baylor game last year costing them the CFP? Wasn't Dabo Swinney known for several bouts of "Clemsoning" before this year? Didn't the all-time greats have bad stretches and lose big games? Yes, they all lost big games and have had bad stretches.
If 2015 had been his 1st conference title, maybe that would be luck. But when you've won 9,
it's because you're great at your job.
"Though nearly impossible, you've managed to compare Bob's volume of long-time work to Briles' relative short-term results at Baylor. The same with Patterson and TCU and Patterson has won every where he's been. Briles is trending better than Bob over the last 5 years and Patterson is also in the picture. Had either Briles - a repugnant thought for some here - and Patterson been our coach the last 17 years, it is my opinion that they would have delivered much more hardware than Bob. Obviously, you disagree"
I also compared Bob's short-term work, both this year and when he firs took over OU.
OU was awful from 1994-1998 and was mediocre from 1989-1993. Bob Stoops got OU to the title game in year 2. Why haven't Briles and Patterson gotten Baylor and TCU to that height in longer time?
Briles has been at Baylor for 8 years, Patterson at TCU for 15 years.
Neither is trending better than Bob as Bob beat them both and won the Big XII this year.
Patterson has won "everywhere he's been"? Exactly where is that? He's been TCU's head coach for 15 years, plus a bowl game the year before that. He's essentially been at TCU as long Bob has been at OU.
"Just look what Briles and Patterson were able to accomplish in this year's bowl games with their best talent missing."
And Bob has done similarly in the past. Look at 2009 and 2013. We were missing a lot of talent by the time our bowl came around and pulled the upset in both.
And just look what Bob did against those two guys this year.
And just because a guy wins at a smaller school/lesser program doesn't mean they will be great at a major school. In fact, it usually doesn't happen. Examples:
Charlie Strong (Louisville - Texas)
Chris Petersen (Boise State - Washington)
Dennis Franchione (New Mexico - TCU - Alabama - Texas A&M)
Brady Hoke (Ball St. - SD State - Michigan)
Rich Rodriguez (West Virginia - Michigan)
Al Golden (Temple - Miami)
Steve Sarkisian (Washington - USC)
Ty Willingham (Stanford - Notre Dame)
Derek Dooley (La Tech - Tennessee)
Dirk Koetter (Boise State - Arizona State)
Dan Hawkins (Boise State - Colorado)
Tommy Bowden (Tulane - Clemson)
Gary Barnett (Northwestern - Colorado)
Jim Donnan (Marshall - Georgia)
Schnelly (Miami [small nothing program at the time] - Louisville - Oklahoma)
John Mackovic (Illinois - Texas)
Steve Kragthorpe (Tulsa - Louisville)
Some work out ok, most don't. This list could be a lot bigger if I felt like looking more up. Clearly, success at a lesser program doesn't guarantee success at a major program.
Soonersincefitty
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Eh, forget it Jeff.
You, myself and Pt. Lavaca are incapable of any plausible rational thought.
So, why kick a dead horse?
It's stands to perfect logical reason...and that is going 11-2 and getting in the CFP is surely a harbinger of awful things to come next year.
Our recruiting is gonna tank and we'll be lucky to go 7-5.
Well, that is what they wish so it will neatly fit their negative narrative.
Myself, I'm gonna keep thinking positive, as in this year leads me to have even more suspicions of greatness in the years to follow.
That's me, the cockeyed optimist.
You, myself and Pt. Lavaca are incapable of any plausible rational thought.
So, why kick a dead horse?
It's stands to perfect logical reason...and that is going 11-2 and getting in the CFP is surely a harbinger of awful things to come next year.
Our recruiting is gonna tank and we'll be lucky to go 7-5.
Well, that is what they wish so it will neatly fit their negative narrative.
Myself, I'm gonna keep thinking positive, as in this year leads me to have even more suspicions of greatness in the years to follow.
That's me, the cockeyed optimist.
Error!
After 5 years Bob stood at 55-11 (.833) in the Switzer Wilkinson league. Not Rockne Leahy Meyer. After 6, record stood at 67-12 (.848). I looked at wrong column in the record book. Sorry. After 2004 (year 6), Bob stood at his highest.
Lowest winning percentage stood after 1999 at .583. Second low was after 2014 at .792. Maybe we have turned upward. I think we may be building a solid foundation.
After 5 years Bob stood at 55-11 (.833) in the Switzer Wilkinson league. Not Rockne Leahy Meyer. After 6, record stood at 67-12 (.848). I looked at wrong column in the record book. Sorry. After 2004 (year 6), Bob stood at his highest.
Lowest winning percentage stood after 1999 at .583. Second low was after 2014 at .792. Maybe we have turned upward. I think we may be building a solid foundation.
Hey, I've been culpable of many a thing in my life...
You kick the dead horse to make sure it's dead. If it's not, then you are being cruel.
Not sure about the cockeye, but I've had gf's with pinkeye. My suggestion for you though... remove the specs from your own eyes before placing your cock in someone else's eye... just sayin'
Soonersincefitty
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OMG! You don't seem to be just a homer. You seem to be a homer with a boner.
Questioning anytime the status quo or anything for that matter does not appear to be your forte. Nor does "trending" and common sense, imho. I will, however, commend you for being loyal to a fault with the caveat being "fault". I hope you don't maintain the "ostrich with his head buried in the sand" type poster as time continues to pass. Questioning is human nature and healthy as I've been told and taught.
When Bob took over OU, he was not dealing with the dregs of college football. True, his predecessor was a bum of a coach (but a decent recruiter) and produced losing records. But, he inherited a great deal of talent from Blake and added to it. Not an overly difficult situation in comparison to others (Briles for one) as he was an incoming coach at a traditional power, historically rich, and high profile university. To his credit, he didn't muck things up, got OU back on the winning track, and was a true blessing. Over the past couple of years prior to 2015, his performance has been "trending" down. 2015 was a fortunate and perhaps unprecedented run of good luck for him, imho. Bob's overall record is 179-46.
Bob won a Natty back in 2000. Baylor, at that time, was in the midst of a 29 game conference losing streak - a conference record that still stands. They were worse than the present day Kansas program.
Since Bob's arrival, he owns a 8-9 bowl record. Not too glowing, imho, for a coach who won the national title in his second year as a HC. In fact, it's rather pedestrian, imho, for an accomplished OU coach.
Art Briles has been the epitome of "trending" up since he became a HC. He inherited a losing program at a low profile school (Houston) and transformed it into virtually overnight a winning program. He won outright 1 Conference-USA title and won 2 Conference-USA Western Division titles at Houston in his short tenure.
Briles then literally took over the dregs of college football when he was hired to coach Baylor in 2008. The Bears were so bad before his arrival that they won a measly 11 conference games in the 12 years prior (average of less than 1 win/yr). Also, BU had a 12 year consecutive losing conference record prior to Briles' arrival. By his 5th year at BU, Briles had already won 17 conference games. A dramatic turnaround and a definite "trend" upward.
By Briles' 4th year on the job, OU had a 20 game winning streak against the Bears. Then he changed things starting with Robert Griffin III at QB and he has been "trending" up against OU since then. In 2013 and 2014, Baylor had consecutive blowout wins against OU despite OU being in the top 15 annually in the recruiting rankings with BU averaging in the 40's. In other words, Briles was accomplishing more with considerably less against OU. The turnaround for BU was "trending" faster than should've been expected.
BU won consecutive conference titles in 2013 and 2014 (shared 2014 with TCU) and opened the 2015 season as the conference favorite with a real chance for historical success after they had won 3 of the last 4 meetings with Bob. Only Bob had been able to win 3 consecutive conference titles. If BU could win in 2015 and defeat OU, they would match Bob's conference title record and Briles would be the ONLY conference coach to have beaten Bob 3 consecutive years. This is Baylor for Heaven's sake!
BU was undefeated at 9-0 going into the 2015 game with OU and in line for their 3rd consecutive title. Misfortune struck the Bears as they lost their starting QB (and would soon lose their #2 QB before the season's end) and their fate would rest on an inexperienced Freshman QB. We won a very hard fought game with the outcome in doubt mere minutes before the game's end. With the close defeat, BU would lose their historical conference opportunity. Had Russell QB'd (a dangerous passer and runner ala Watson), I believe we lose and BU would go on to tie that conference record. Briles' better days are obviously still ahead of him based on his "trending". He is one "hungry" coach and very much on the rise, imho. He has a 65-37 record at Baylor. Unbelievable for such a previously lousy program!
Briles is currently 3-3 in his bowl games with Baylor and has won 3 of his last 5 including this year's miraculous win when he reinvented his offense on the fly. What would Bob have done in a similar situation (losing his #1 and #2 QB's)? I don't believe Bob's results would've been pretty.
Patterson took over TCU in 2000 (Bob's Natty year) and has a 143-47 record. He has 1 Conference-USA title, 4 MWC titles, and 1 Big XII title (shared with BU in 2014). He has 10 seasons of at least 10 wins, 9 seasons of at least 11 wins, and one perfect season (13-0 in 2010) in which his team defeated Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl. Hence, my previous reference that he has won every where he has been (conference) that you dismissed. He is 9-5 in bowl games!
Traditionally, both Baylor and TCU have been mid-range in the annual recruiting rankings but their conference successes in recent years is changing those "trends" for the better, especially in the case with Baylor. Baylor presently has (8) 4* recruits compared to our 7. And, this is potentially a banner recruiting year for OU versus last year's class. BU is currently ranked nationally at #9 and TCU is ahead of OU at the moment as well. Since they have recently been whipping our tails with lesser talent, I can only imagine what those butt whippings will be when their talent becomes superior to ours. TCU worries me too as their talent improves.
"Trending" my friend does not appear to be with us in the near future, imho. Keep looking at yesterday's successes with ignorance, imho, towards the very near future.
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ftworth, that's a very thorough and well thought out post.
I think what is most concerning for me with teams like Baylor and TCU, just like you mentioned, is they have been doing more with far less than OU. Since 2010, OU's recruiting rankings have consistently been far ahead of Baylor and TCU, yet the results on the field have been vastly different recently, especially with Baylor. TCU really didn't find it's niche until they changed OC's and really took their football program to another level to match the defenses they generally put on the field.
Here are the rankings between OU, Baylor and TCU since 2010.
2010
OU #7
Baylor #39
TCU #46
2011
OU #14
TCU #26
Baylor #46
2012
OU #11
TCU #37
Baylor #45
2013
OU #15
TCU #30
Baylor #31
2014
OU #15
Baylor #35
TCU #50
2015
OU #14
TCU #34
Baylor #43
2016 (current rankings)
Baylor #9
TCU #30
OU #32
That 2016 ranking for me is pretty concerning. Sure the class is a work in progress for all programs. But so far, TCU and Baylor are now switching gears and passing OU in total recruiting. So if Baylor and TCU have been getting more with less on the field, then what happens when those programs start getting more, rather than less??
Now OU's class is far from finished, and maybe you can say the same for Baylor's and TCU's classes as well. But OU is still in the mix for some elite kids that could drastically change the overall position in rankings by signing day. But I think the real story here is that Baylor and TCU have simply been outworking the OU staff in terms of evaluating talent and developing it once it gets on campus. Bob has changed up his staff, so the trend could be reversing, and years down the road we may be looking back as the 2015 season as the start of another great run by Bob at OU reminiscent of Barry Switzer's 2nd run of dominance in the mid-80's. But only time will tell.
I think what is most concerning for me with teams like Baylor and TCU, just like you mentioned, is they have been doing more with far less than OU. Since 2010, OU's recruiting rankings have consistently been far ahead of Baylor and TCU, yet the results on the field have been vastly different recently, especially with Baylor. TCU really didn't find it's niche until they changed OC's and really took their football program to another level to match the defenses they generally put on the field.
Here are the rankings between OU, Baylor and TCU since 2010.
2010
OU #7
Baylor #39
TCU #46
2011
OU #14
TCU #26
Baylor #46
2012
OU #11
TCU #37
Baylor #45
2013
OU #15
TCU #30
Baylor #31
2014
OU #15
Baylor #35
TCU #50
2015
OU #14
TCU #34
Baylor #43
2016 (current rankings)
Baylor #9
TCU #30
OU #32
That 2016 ranking for me is pretty concerning. Sure the class is a work in progress for all programs. But so far, TCU and Baylor are now switching gears and passing OU in total recruiting. So if Baylor and TCU have been getting more with less on the field, then what happens when those programs start getting more, rather than less??
Now OU's class is far from finished, and maybe you can say the same for Baylor's and TCU's classes as well. But OU is still in the mix for some elite kids that could drastically change the overall position in rankings by signing day. But I think the real story here is that Baylor and TCU have simply been outworking the OU staff in terms of evaluating talent and developing it once it gets on campus. Bob has changed up his staff, so the trend could be reversing, and years down the road we may be looking back as the 2015 season as the start of another great run by Bob at OU reminiscent of Barry Switzer's 2nd run of dominance in the mid-80's. But only time will tell.
You guys crack me up. Stoops is unquestioned and no one ever attacks him....until they do.
But, we are Oklahoma, dammit. For some of us spoiled fans, that means title entitlement. Gimme.
LOL...yeah, and I recall how upset some got when I referred to us as "spoiled brats".
As if you can tell whether one is upset on here?
Why did you expect OU to beat Clemson? And what games do you expect to lose?
Gimme my Natty...every year! I'm a spoiled brat and am deserving! I feel a tantrum coming on.
We ARE OU! Nothing else will be satisfactory. Do it or go!!!!
There, I've said it, so shall it be done!
Boomer Sooner
You have no idea how happy it makes me to have tickled your funny bone.
Boomer Sooner
Anytime you wish to joust, I will most likely oblige thee. I can definitely be a blowhard at times.
I'm easy to beat in most cases when a little logic is used and manipulated In just the right manner. My opinions are just that and are often ridiculed here - probably because they are somewhat weak in substance and thought.
Thus, you have a great chance to put me in my place and I certainly need to be from time to time. Make me look foolish. It only benefits me. I'm willing to roll the dice if you are so inclined.
Yes, I have limitations. Do you?
Boomer Sooner
I'm comfortable I have a REALLY good idea. The "Who said we should fire Coach xxxxxx" followed weeks later by "fire Coach xxxxxx" just gets old. Flip flopping by some of the Monday AM QBs here is telling. Present company excluded. You've always been consistent.
Soonersincefitty
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Dang man...you thought I was serial?
Hardly.
I get you, hopefully you get me, let's just go with that.
Peace out.
In my profession, and perhaps yours as well, consistency is a major component to success as is questioning. It goes a long way toward strong student/employee growth, initiative, development, and achievement.
I fail to see this "firing of coaches" advocacy of which you refer. But, I will acknowledge that it has been my perception of your misapplied accusatorial mantra in this regard against others here for far too long. It creates an unhealthy adversarial relationship, imho, that seems unnecessary to me. A real shame.
My kids are pretty solid debaters especially when I give them the position they are least comfortable in supporting. You should see them in action. I believe you would be impressed by their abilities knowing what I know about you.
If what you post gets "old" to you, imagine how the opposite side feels. It's the Scoop "Club of Butting Heads". It is what it is. Not entirely unhealthy at all. No side is likely to change the other but discussions, when civil, make for some pretty productive and healthy sparring don't you think?
Does flip-flopping truly bother you? Perhaps these "flip-floppers" are willing to assume a new reality or, at least, allow for its potential based on ever-changing and substantive discourse. It happens especially to me on occasion. I've seen the light when perceived substance leads me towards it. How 'bout you? You seem to see it as a weakness on the part of others when the real weakness might truly lie within the accuser. Hard to tell at times.
Maturation is a work in progress for everyone except perhaps for those who live in a realm of excessive ego and questionable humility. They might just be lacking in true enlightenment and need a little help to secure a healthier, imho, perspective. But then, they would be "flip-floppers" wouldn't they?
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Sorry fitty if I misconstrued the situation. Won't be my last so bear with me.Dang man...you thought I was serial?
Hardly.
I get you, hopefully you get me, let's just go with that.
Peace out.
I agree with the "peace out". Thanks.
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Soonersincefitty
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No, in all candor, you are one of a select few here that I'd buy a steak for. (with high end beer, at your option)
What better way to respect a man than with cow meat, I always say.
So, as we matriculate down this road, know that I've got your back.
Last year it was, "We're not even winning conference titles anymore!", and now that we did and played in the playoff and lost it's again as per usual with you whining ass chumps, it still wasn't good enough.
It's gotten old.
It's gotten old.
Soonersincefitty
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Hasn't it though?
Same crap, another year.
You know, if nothing else I've discovered that I'm much tougher (mentally) than I ever thought previously.
I'm bad..
.Maybe I'm blind bc.
But, who is whining about us winning the conference and playing in the playoffs? I believe everyone was elated at that situation.
I would've preferred, of course, a win - forgive me for thinking that way - but believe our effort was very solid in, once again, a losing cause. Was losing good enough for you? It would appear so.
Post season losing, I hate to say, does seem to apply to Bob more times than not. That's factual and not my opinion.
I believe "trending" has created a great deal of concern going forward here on the Scoop. Rightfully or otherwise.
I believe everyone posting here wants what's best for OU. The fact that others might question things more than others creates, imo, an opportunity for healthy dialog but only for those who wish to pursue it.
Are you just being a tad over reactive with the above post?
Boomer Sooner
Sort of. It's the age and health thing.
Hope your days are productive, healthy, and beneficial to you, your family, and those whom you have the opportunity to influence and enrich.
fitty has my back and I have no doubt that he is sincere. I have yours as well as many others here.
If you can tolerate me, even in mild disagreement, that would be just another blessing to me.
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You can view it as "over reactive" if that's what floats your boat but I've really gotten to the point with many on here always second gyessing Bob, that I just don't really give a shit anymore whether what I say hurts feelings. There's been enough crying about how everyone is entitled to an opinion so I guess just take it as me putting my opinion out there. And my opinion is that I'm right and some here are wrong and nothing will ever be good enough, and to me that is silly and really stupid.
Bob made some hard decisions this time last year, won the conference, made the playoff and has OU trending upward again. If other fans can't see that and be excited than they are blind, wrong and have their heads lodged squarely up their asses.
Soonersincefitty
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That post should be etched in Italian marble in front of Rivals HQs.
(in the three major languages...English, english and english)
I appreciate your opinion. I've posted my thoughts of disagreement on it as well. Perhaps, we just might have to agree to disagree. My disagreements don't make me right above yours.
When Bob was hired on, he promised championships. I don't believe he exclusively meant just conference championships. When he doesn't deliver especially when perceived by those here and in the media as having the talent to do so, expect some mild consternation from others. It goes with the territory.
Bob did make some hard decisions for this season and he did quite well. Personally, I think it took all the stars in the heavens to align properly for him to be as successful as he was. And, I'm happy with that alignment of stars. But, I still have my concerns.
If I were you, I would be more concerned as to where your head was lodged before I worried about others.
I would not disagree with your notion that OU is trending up at the moment. To me, OU is trending up as it applies situationally to OU.
I, however, see a monster or two on the horizon that even though we are trending upward at the moment, it might not be "good enough" even in our own conference. Even as early as next year, we will probably see the proof in the pudding regarding our overall talent versus that of our main competitors.
It is my contention that both BU and TCU view us as not being any stone in their shoe. Even as we get better (by OU standards), so are they and at a pace that is startling to me.
TCU and BU - especially BU - have been dealing with us harshly on the playing field in the past couple of years and they've been doing so with lesser talent. They are now on the verge of becoming talent superior to us shifting, imho, the balance of power within the conference. Even as we improve - and we still don't know how well this recruiting class is coming together though it already is better than last year's class - it doesn't seem to be keeping pace with BU and TCU.
Long term, things will only trend even better for BU and TCU, imho. That's a scary proposition, I would think, for any OU fan to swallow considering BU and TCU's recent performances against OU. Bob is getting out-recruited in his own conference by teams much scarier than Texas in its recruiting heyday.
To me, second guessing Bob - whether here or in the media - is a healthy thing and can only make him better, imho. Keeps him from getting complacent.
Perhaps a break from the Scoop might ease some of your burdens. Just a suggestion even if a stupid one.
Boomer Sooner
I have no burdens here so I do consider a leave a stupid suggestion. I've taken a break from here before because I let some of the crap get to me. Such is not the case now. I'm just no longer being courteous when courtesy is not deserved. I like discussing things here but if what I say going forward gets me booted I'll be just fine. I try to be positive in all things and we've got a lot to be positive about as Sooner fans, yet so many can only hang on the very few negatives. It must be sad to live that way but I have no empathy. If someone wants to wallow in negativity that's their prerogative but I view it and them as acting pathetic.
You can shake in your boots over Baylor and TCU if it makes you feel better but I'm not going to. The Bears are the "sexy" team right now. It will change eventually. It always does. And soon a better program will take Briles away. The Frogs were lucky we handed them a win in 2014 and were a healthy Baker away from a blowout loss in November.
When the dust settles we'll still be Oklahoma but we need Baylor, Okie State and TCU to step up with the losses of Nebraska, A&M, Colorado and Mizz.
You can shake in your boots over Baylor and TCU if it makes you feel better but I'm not going to. The Bears are the "sexy" team right now. It will change eventually. It always does. And soon a better program will take Briles away. The Frogs were lucky we handed them a win in 2014 and were a healthy Baker away from a blowout loss in November.
When the dust settles we'll still be Oklahoma but we need Baylor, Okie State and TCU to step up with the losses of Nebraska, A&M, Colorado and Mizz.
I'm bad..
I'm nationwide...
I thought we already talked about this, fitty...
What makes you think Bob, or anyone for that matter, is above being second guessed??
