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Auburn and Oklahoma drew a crowd of 54,077 at the Superdome for a 35-19 Sooners win on Monday night. According to a report from Sports Business Daily, that's the smallestSugar Bowl crowd since 1939, “when TCU-Carnegie Mellon drew 44,308 at Tulane Stadium in New Orleans.”4 days ago
 
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Understandable and a continuating trend in decreasing attendance across the country over the last several years. Higher ticket prices, inconvenience and high definition TV had made it much more enjoyable to stay home where you can watch your favorite team AND immediately check out another game after the Sooners win their game. Probably going to get worse for all but the elite, near elite programs.
 
Understandable and a continuating trend in decreasing attendance across the country over the last several years. Higher ticket prices, inconvenience and high definition TV had made it much more enjoyable to stay home where you can watch your favorite team AND immediately check out another game after the Sooners win their game. Probably going to get worse for all but the elite, near elite programs.

That, and the thought of being in "thugville" for a game...
 
And then there is the value of a scholarship...

While the average student pays loads of money to state and private institutions for an education that hopefully leads to a degree, to then turn around and owe loads of money in student loans, etc., the student athlete on scholarship can leave with a degree and possibly a job that pays them millions of dollars. They owe nothing in return, yet some "feel" as though they are owed something more. As if they have been extorted for their talents, while the regular students work as an intern for zero to little pay, and owe massive amounts when they leave.

I'm not inclined to feel sorry for crybabies who have been given such an opportunity...
 
The only factor would be..... most of the top athletes leave early for the draft. However, look at the money they bring into the schools. With the brain injury being high profile now, I just wonder if things change.
 
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Of course like you said PtLavacaSooner the scholarship. Only a small amount of them go to the NFL.
 
The only factor would be..... most of the top athletes leave early for the draft. However, look at the money they bring into the schools. With the brain injury being high profile now, I just wonder if things change.
Yes, yet I can have a tree fall on me in the woods. I'm well aware of this fact, are they not?

If we as a society need to limit or end all brain injuries, then we should end all forms of recreation, sport, etc., that might cause one. Do they not know when they step on the field, whether it is for a game or practice, that they might get hit in such a way that they may never be the same? It could happen without being hit. Mike Gaddis blew a knee out with no contact. So did Jason White.

One can be hit by a bus crossing the street. Should we ban public transportation?
 
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Yes, yet I can have a tree fall on me in the woods. I'm well aware of this fact, are they not?

If we as a society need to limit or end all brain injuries, then we should end all forms of recreation, sport, etc., that might cause one. Do they not know when they step on the field, whether it is for a game or practice, that they might get hit in such a way that they may never be the same? It could happen without being hit. Mike Gaddis blew a knee out with no contact. So did Jason White.

One can be hit by a bus crossing the street. Should we ban public transportation?
Yet the brain injury is a big deal now, with all the focus from the NFL. Remember when they would say "he had his bell rung". Wait a few minutes send the guy back in. Lol
 
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Yet the brain injury is a big deal now, with all the focus from the NFL. Remember when they would say "he had his bell rung". Wait a few minutes send the guy back in. Lol
Do they not know they might get their "bell rung?" Protocols are in place now that are much advanced from a few years ago.

There are many jobs in which one takes a risk of injury. A scholarship athlete at OU gets 5 years to complete a 4 yr degree. Out of state tuition for meals, room and board, books, etc., averages at $36,729.00 a year for a 15 hour semester. What 18 year old normally comes out of high school with a $36,000/yr job? I know people with master's degrees who earn about that with more debt than a new house costs.

http://www.ou.edu/bursar/tuition_fees.html

http://college-tuition.startclass.com/l/3265/University-of-Oklahoma-Norman-Campus
 
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And then there is the value of a scholarship...

While the average student pays loads of money to state and private institutions for an education that hopefully leads to a degree, to then turn around and owe loads of money in student loans, etc., the student athlete on scholarship can leave with a degree and possibly a job that pays them millions of dollars. They owe nothing in return, yet some "feel" as though they are owed something more. As if they have been extorted for their talents, while the regular students work as an intern for zero to little pay, and owe massive amounts when they leave.

I'm not inclined to feel sorry for crybabies who have been given such an opportunity...
So because they are getting a free degree they should forfeit their rights to profit off their own talents??
 
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So because they are getting a free degree they should forfeit their rights to profit off their own talents??
What is free about a scholarship? Is housing free? Is food free? Is an education free? What about their allowance? Some receive upwards of $4,000.00 a year for "incidentals." So what are they not getting?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2015/08/18/ncaa-cost--attendance-meals-2015/31904839/

Athletes have talked about an array of possible uses for the incidentals money.

Last week, when South Carolina football players received their first monthly allocation of $400, freshman wide receiver Jalen Christian was asked what he planned to do with it. "I don't know yet," he said. "Save it up? I'm an Xbox guy and there are new games coming out in October and November. But, other than that, I'm going to save it."
 
What is free about a scholarship? Is housing free? Is food free? Is an education free? What about their allowance? Some receive upwards of $4,000.00 a year for "incidentals." So what are they not getting?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2015/08/18/ncaa-cost--attendance-meals-2015/31904839/

Athletes have talked about an array of possible uses for the incidentals money.

Last week, when South Carolina football players received their first monthly allocation of $400, freshman wide receiver Jalen Christian was asked what he planned to do with it. "I don't know yet," he said. "Save it up? I'm an Xbox guy and there are new games coming out in October and November. But, other than that, I'm going to save it."
I couldn't care less about what the school pays for or provides the players while they are playing for the program. The school/program decides to take on that burden when they recruit them. But to put the players in the position to where they cannot profit in ANY WAY outside of what the school provides them is absurd.
 
I couldn't care less about what the school pays for or provides the players while they are playing for the program. The school/program decides to take on that burden when they recruit them. But to put the players in the position to where they cannot profit in ANY WAY outside of what the school provides them is absurd.
That's the difference between professional and amateur... they have times when they can have jobs, but they are required to actually work at them...
 
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That's the difference between professional and amateur... they have times when they can have jobs, but they are required to actually work at them...
And college athletes remain connected to the concept of amateurism why?? I could understand 20+ years ago since college athletes were the backbone of this countries Olympic sports. But there is zero reason for it anymore. College sports hold onto the idea of amateurism just because it's always been that way.
 
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And college athletes remain connected to the concept of amateurism why?? I could understand 20+ years ago since college athletes were the backbone of this countries Olympic sports. But there is zero reason for it anymore. College sports hold onto the idea of amateurism just because it's always been that way.

For the same reasons why a guy who gets selected by the MLB and opts to sign a minor league deal can't later decide to play college baseball.

Same way with the NBA D-League. Once you receive money for playing a sport, you are no longer an amateur in that sport.
 
For the same reasons why a guy who gets selected by the MLB and opts to sign a minor league deal can't later decide to play college baseball.

Same way with the NBA D-League. Once you receive money for playing a sport, you are no longer an amateur in that sport.
Oh I see...punish the majority for what a very small majority may try and do right? If they want to prevent NFL players from coming back and playing that's fine. But let's not pretend that's the reasoning for keeping amateurism in place.
 
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Oh I see...punish the majority for what a very small majority may try and do right? If they want to prevent NFL players from coming back and playing that's fine. But let's not pretend that's the reasoning for keeping amateurism in place.
So what is an amateur according to you?
 
So what is an amateur according to you?
My definition of a amateur is prolly the same as yours. A person not being paid to play in his or her sport. But that's is irrelevant since I don't believe in the idea that college athletes should continue to be bound by the definition of an amateur. Not when there is tens of billions of dollars involved and the participants generating that income aren't able to seek out there own fair market value of the money involved because the notion that a free education is an appropriate form of compensation.
 
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I couldn't care less about what the school pays for or provides the players while they are playing for the program. The school/program decides to take on that burden when they recruit them. But to put the players in the position to where they cannot profit in ANY WAY outside of what the school provides them is absurd.
That would ruin college sports. Money would be a big issue. Pay them all the same. Then what about the other college sports. ?????????
 
That would ruin college sports. Money would be a big issue. Pay them all the same. Then what about the other college sports. ?????????
Paying them? I don't believe the burden of "paying" athletes should fall on the schools or programs. But I do believe college athletes should be able to pursue their own marketable value in terms of endorsement deals a such. Not allowing someone to directly profit off their own names is just insane to me.
 
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That's the difference between professional and amateur... they have times when they can have jobs, but they are required to actually work at them...
So because they are getting a free degree they should forfeit their rights to profit off their own talents??
Hell yes, if the schools did not promote them they would have one hell of time showing their talents.
 
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My definition of a amateur is prolly the same as yours. A person not being paid to play in his or her sport. But that's is irrelevant since I don't believe in the idea that college athletes should continue to be bound by the definition of an amateur. Not when there is tens of billions of dollars involved and the participants generating that income aren't able to seek out there own fair market value of the money involved because the notion that a free education is an appropriate form of compensation.

Ah, so would it be fair for Alabama to pay their star players $100,000 a year, others $80,000 a year, etc., while say, kids at Arizona get $25,000 a year?

At what point do you draw the line on your "fair market value?"
 
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Paying them? I don't believe the burden of "paying" athletes should fall on the schools or programs. But I do believe college athletes should be able to pursue their own marketable value in terms of endorsement deals a such. Not allowing someone to directly profit off their own names is just insane to me.
I know, let's get that going and then deal with all kinds of problems. They get PROMOTED enough for their talents. If it wasn't for that, good luck to them.
 
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Ah, so would it be fair for Alabama to pay their star players $100,000 a year, others $80,000 a year, etc., while say, kids at Arizona get $25,000 a year?

At what point do you draw the line on your "fair market value?"
Why does there have to be a line in terms of what an athlete can make on the free market? And I notice you are making mention of "Alabama" or "Arizona" paying different amounts. I'm not promoting the idea of the schools or programs paying athletes. Now there is no doubt some markets are more profitable than others in this country. That's just a fact of life
 
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Paying them? I don't believe the burden of "paying" athletes should fall on the schools or programs. But I do believe college athletes should be able to pursue their own marketable value in terms of endorsement deals a such. Not allowing someone to directly profit off their own names is just insane to me.
If they are that good, money will come. My hell a bunch of athletes go broke, don't know hoe to deal with finances. An 18 year old can even make normal decisions.
 
I know, let's get that going and then deal with all kinds of problems. They get PROMOTED enough for their talents. If it wasn't for that, good luck to them.
Oh you mean the current climate where college sports have no problems all?
Promotion is great for some that have futures in football past college. But for the vast majority the only window of opportunity to profit from their talents is during college as they will have no future once their eligibility runs out. And all the promotion up to that point got them what?
 
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