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Does recruiting matter to me? My Wednesday night men's bible study goes from roughly 7 p.m to 8:30. So I'm sitting on the second row (also the back row). At about 7: 28, everybody else is discussing Hebrews. I'm checking my cell phone. It had to be comical if anybody was looking. I spent too much time reading recruiting reports and then had to rush to get there on time. So I left my reading glasses at home.

I have this emergency pair in my car that is only two lenses and a nose piece. Nothing to hold them on either ear. So I've got these very strange looking eight year old wire rim glasses with nothing but my fingers to hold them up to see, and I think it was 7:34 when I re-checked and Josh told us that we had our five star. I tried very hard to successfully make no audible sound. Just smiled, and then went on with what I was supposed to be doing. Praise God that some of the guys use an app on their smart phones rather than an actual bible in traditional book form. So I didn't look too out of place.

There were a lot of questions at Bob's presser yesterday about why only three guys from Texas. The assumption was that Baylor is better and TCU is better and some scribe mentioned twice that Houston is recruiting better. Houston, btw was 44th in the country, eight places behind Mississippi State and ten places ahead of Iowa State, though they did get a receiver or two that were "OU good."

I think several things were a factor in OU losing some pretty important players, while still getting a quality class. One was that there was a terrific runner that early on we were favored to get. But he wanted to play big shot and go down to signing day and we didn't want to play that game with him. I think it's the position. There are too many quality guys to take that risk. So we looked elsewhere and he wanted to be our exclusive. Without committing.

But a bigger factor is a different make up of this staff. A lot was made of three Lackawanna guys. It's because Bedenbaugh knows that staff and trusts them. More importantly, that's where his best relationships are in recruiting. That part of the country. In OLine recruiting, we got a Pennsylvania guy, an Illinois guy an Oklahoma guy and two jucos. Bill's strongest recruiting relationships aren't in Texas.

When we went in another direction at RB, we got a really good kid that Riley knew really well. In the same general area where he also got OUr quarterback. Both were kids he'd been watching for a while, on the Atlantic coast. So instead of Bueschell or Whaley, both from Texas, we got two from North Carolina.

No BJW, with the best Texas hs relationships of just about anybody.

I also think that Mack Brown's way of recruiting is going to be missed. Mack always got his share of quality Texas recruits, but it was usually mostly out of the way by April. We did fight some battles with them. Lost more than we won, but there were not many flips in January. They usually flipped by September. There was lots of time for plan B. Charlie's way of doing things will be different, and harder to navigate.

And then there was the race card. SAE hurt OU and more than we'll ever know I believe. Hoping that it doesn't last for multiple seasons. But that had more to do with Charlie being able to show the difference between his staff of seven African American coaches and three white guys. And the school with the SAE video.

The proximity of TCU and Baylor is a factor. I'd love to know the real reason that the great athlete at safety, who'd been committed to OU for since last summer, started looking elsewhere a month ago. Teenagers do change their minds. Maybe he broke up with his gf. But that was a tough one. And you could tell from the look on Gundy's face yesterday that they had losses exceeding what they'd expected heading into yesterday. Losing Cobb was a lot bigger deal than losing Velus. The latter was committed for less than a week. And we found a quality replacement.

A lot has been made of this being a lousy finish for a team that made the playoff. But I believe that will be a much bigger factor next season, than this. Curiously, in Rivals' rankings, OU finished one spot ahead of Michigan State, whose chief recruiting rival also had a banner signing day which included the top recruit in the country.

Just some other brief observations. When was the last time Oregon finished as low as 28th in recruiting? Apparently Phil Knight's checkbook isn't as deep as it used to be. As mentioned earlier, with all the ballyhooing of UHouston recruiting, they were 44th.

Mizzou's coaching changes put them in a lowly place for an SEC school. They were 53rd, one place ahead of Iowa State's new coaching staff, and four behind VaTech's new HC. Remember when Colorado thought life in the Pac 12 would fit them better? There were ranked 64, four places behind Colorado State.

Texas Tech was one spot behind Houston at 45. They had two recruits ranked over three stars and three under. OSU was 46. Their only recruit with more than three stars was Tramonda Moore, who is very unlikely to qualify.
 
Yep, if it's any consolation, these league rankings are sobering.
Kansas-92
K-St.-77
I- St.-54
OSU-46
WV-39
TCU-21

So, the most glaring thing here is K-St.
I'm not sure if 77th is an anomaly or not, but man, that Snyder can field teams as good as he generally does is just amazing.
 
I really don't care how we finished ranked. I trust that Coach Stoops got the kids he thinks are the best fit for our program. I'm pretty convinced we may never get another 5* QB because we run a spread offense and most of those guys want an NFL style offense. I have all the faith in the world that whichever QB we get, it'll be one that fits us the best, regardless of star ranking.

My biggest concern, like yours seemed to be, was with how we finished at the end. There are many different explanations, some of them more valid than others, but it did seem to draw some of the air out of the balloon on NSD if you will when we lost some kids that were ours to lose. Whatever those reasons were that were in our control, we just need to get those righted.

Still, even if this was considered a "down" year by some, we're on track for next year to be a superstar year already. Coupled with Stoops' track record for bringing in good classes, and the transfers we received this year as well that won't count on this year's official ranking, I'm not worried at all. It's still a great time to be a Sooner!
 
I really don't care how we finished ranked. I trust that Coach Stoops got the kids he thinks are the best fit for our program. I'm pretty convinced we may never get another 5* QB because we run a spread offense and most of those guys want an NFL style offense. I have all the faith in the world that whichever QB we get, it'll be one that fits us the best, regardless of star ranking.

My biggest concern, like yours seemed to be, was with how we finished at the end. There are many different explanations, some of them more valid than others, but it did seem to draw some of the air out of the balloon on NSD if you will when we lost some kids that were ours to lose. Whatever those reasons were that were in our control, we just need to get those righted.

Still, even if this was considered a "down" year by some, we're on track for next year to be a superstar year already. Coupled with Stoops' track record for bringing in good classes, and the transfers we received this year as well that won't count on this year's official ranking, I'm not worried at all. It's still a great time to be a Sooner!

That's right, just like I say ad nauseam, I never assume we'll lose a game.
98% of the time I'm right.
 
MM, I think the only five star quarterback we ever had was Bomar, and that didn't turn out nearly as well as a two star, and four star and a three star, all of whom made the Heisman stage. Baker almost did, and he was a walk on.

As I look throught this class, I see several guys that aren't just possible starters, but at least a half dozen, maybe a couple more than that, who really could be great players. You never know about those huge OLine guys who just dominate players they outweigh by 75 pounds in high school, and how they'll play when the guy they have to block is as big as they are and quicker.

Who will work at all the little details of the position to take their potential and become college difference makers? Except for a few, nobody can just line up and dominate. They have to work at fundamentals to become top players. What I love about this class is that there seem to be a dozen or more really smart football guys. Football smart guys?

I think we got an elite offensive tackle. Maybe two elite defensive ends. I love at least two of the secondary guys. At least two of the linebackers are special. Josh compared J-M T to Lance Mitchell, whom I think, before his knew injury, was better than any of the Butkus winners of the Stoops era.

If you've watched any tape, the receiver named Jones that we signed, after the other one flirted and then went away, has two different videos. One was pre knee injury, the other after. He played very quickly after ligament surgery and didn't have his burst, but you'd expect him to get it back. If he does, his pre injury video is pretty special. And I think the quarterback who'll be a receiver has a chance to be special. Love the running back and think we got a good quarterback. (He better be. He's already the back up.)

There are a couple of guys I just have a feeling about. If you saw Chanse Sylvie interviewed on Sooner Sports coverage of signing day, he is just a very impressive human being. They're calling him a three star. We'll see. Same thing with Bledsoe, except he's a four star. Love smart guys. I think you win championship with smart players who are terrific athletes.

I'm more excited than the fan of the 19th ranked team ought to be.
 
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Yep, if it's any consolation, these league rankings are sobering.
Kansas-92
K-St.-77
I- St.-54
OSU-46
WV-39
TCU-21

So, the most glaring thing here is K-St.
I'm not sure if 77th is an anomaly or not, but man, that Snyder can field teams as good as he generally does is just amazing.

KState always has lousy recruiting rankings, but then Snyder goes out and turns them into a good football team. I'm pretty sure that KState has never had a higher ranked recruiting class than Texas, but Snyder is 6-4 against them since the beginning of the Big 12. Heck, KState was 2-0 against the Horns when Prince was the HC. So since the start of the Big 12, Kansas State is 8-4 against Texas. Rivals only goes back to 2002 in recruiting rankings stored here. You'd not find any Wildcat classes ranked ahead of Texas, just more game day wins.
 
Kapri Doucet and I have been exchanging text messages for the last month and a half. He had lots of questions about Life here in Oklahoma and what the gameday experience was like. Thought I had scared him with the Tornado talk but he's looking forward to his first and getting pics...lol We had some great conversations. He's a good kid and Ive really enjoyed talking back and forth with him. So glad and proud to see him a member of the Sooner Nation now!

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Kapri Doucet and I have been exchanging text messages for the last month and a half. He had lots of questions about Life here in Oklahoma and what the gameday experience was like. Thought I had scared him with the Tornado talk but he's looking forward to his first and getting pics...lol We had some great conversations. He's a good kid and Ive really enjoyed talking back and forth with him. So glad and proud to see him a member of the Sooner Nation now!

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Good job!

Just keep it to yourself that Oklahoma now has the highest incidents of earthquakes anywhere on earth.
Don't want to frighten the lad...
Just saying...:cool:
 
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And Fitty, I saw you cavorting with a couple of underage girls, but I promise not to tell anybody.

At least, I think they were girls.
 
A decent class that could fill some needs for sure.
But a class whose overall worth seemingly hinged upon getting a single player from California at the end of the day.
 
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Good job!

Just keep it to yourself that Oklahoma now has the highest incidents of earthquakes anywhere on earth.
Don't want to frighten the lad...
Just saying...:cool:

If he isnt scared of Tornadoes I doubt the Earth rumbling isnt going to bother him at all. He'll feel that every saturday anyway! Kid is fast of the corner and fearless he may be our next Striker!
 
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Plaino,
I suspect what BJW's impact had on TX recruiting is not recognized by most here. Not sure Bob has adequately filled that "strategic" hole. At the time Bob hired BJW, UT fans said he wasn't worth much as a coach, but we all knew why he was hired.

The flipside of the SAE coin is that it was a catalyst for the team coming together in 2015. Moreover, who is going to step into Striker's leadership shoes on that side of the ball in 2016? Walker seems extremely quiet, ditto Evans. Jordan Thomas (he talks a LOT on the field - and I like it)? Usually a safety directs the secondary, much less the entire D. The whole team will rally around Baker again, but looking for someone to step up as the vocal leader on the D side...who?
 
Kapri Doucet and I have been exchanging text messages for the last month and a half. He had lots of questions about Life here in Oklahoma and what the gameday experience was like. Thought I had scared him with the Tornado talk but he's looking forward to his first and getting pics...lol We had some great conversations. He's a good kid and Ive really enjoyed talking back and forth with him. So glad and proud to see him a member of the Sooner Nation now!

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BTW, how did you get hooked up with Doucet, if you don't mind?
Coach Bedenbough?
Ole coach there really pulled a coup de gras getting three seasoned jucos like that. I'm sure that he was pimping OU made it easier...but still.

Yep, Doucet, Beal and Kelly, man alive. When those guys learn the play book, get used to the big time speed they could be a force to reckon with.

Just awesomeness.
 
Plaino,
I suspect what BJW's impact had on TX recruiting is not recognized by most here. Not sure Bob has adequately filled that "strategic" hole. At the time Bob hired BJW, UT fans said he wasn't worth much as a coach, but we all knew why he was hired.

The flipside of the SAE coin is that it was a catalyst for the team coming together in 2015. Moreover, who is going to step into Striker's leadership shoes on that side of the ball in 2016? Walker seems extremely quiet, ditto Evans. Jordan Thomas (he talks a LOT on the field - and I like it)? Usually a safety directs the secondary, much less the entire D. The whole team will rally around Baker again, but looking for someone to step up as the vocal leader on the D side...who?

I think that Parker is the likely leader of the secondary and Jordan Evans of the linebacker corps. The DL is a little harder to figure. The DL guys have to have one of their own, even if he's not the leader of the whole defense. The best player is Walker, but I don't think he's ever been the vocal type. Somebody will step up. Last year, it seemed to be Tapper. Maybe Romar or Dimon.

Maybe Wade just puts together a great year and includes adding some leadership. We'll see. Sometimes, it's unpredictable. I remember Pryce Macon's senior year. He went from not in the rotation for four seasons, to being a quality guy in the fifth year and a little leadership. Some senior will make a big step up.
 
Yep, if it's any consolation, these league rankings are sobering.
Kansas-92
K-St.-77
I- St.-54
OSU-46
WV-39
TCU-21

So, the most glaring thing here is K-St.
I'm not sure if 77th is an anomaly or not, but man, that Snyder can field teams as good as he generally does is just amazing.
Texas # 10
 
Actually, number 13. You're quoting the ESPN number. That doesn't fly around here. Rivals has you at 13. Two more thank your total number of wins the last two seasons. Combined.
I'm no recruiting guru or anything, but what is the thinking behind the stance of one recruiting service being more reputable or reliable than another?? You have Rivals, ESPN, Scout, and maybe some others out there I don't know about. They all have different team rankings and different ratings of individual players. Recruiting evaluation isn't an exact science, so how can anyone say for certain which recruiting service is the most accurate?
 
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Does recruiting matter to me? My Wednesday night men's bible study goes from roughly 7 p.m to 8:30. So I'm sitting on the second row (also the back row). At about 7: 28, everybody else is discussing Hebrews. I'm checking my cell phone. It had to be comical if anybody was looking. I spent too much time reading recruiting reports and then had to rush to get there on time. So I left my reading glasses at home.

I have this emergency pair in my car that is only two lenses and a nose piece. Nothing to hold them on either ear. So I've got these very strange looking eight year old wire rim glasses with nothing but my fingers to hold them up to see, and I think it was 7:34 when I re-checked and Josh told us that we had our five star. I tried very hard to successfully make no audible sound. Just smiled, and then went on with what I was supposed to be doing. Praise God that some of the guys use an app on their smart phones rather than an actual bible in traditional book form. So I didn't look too out of place.

There were a lot of questions at Bob's presser yesterday about why only three guys from Texas. The assumption was that Baylor is better and TCU is better and some scribe mentioned twice that Houston is recruiting better. Houston, btw was 44th in the country, eight places behind Mississippi State and ten places ahead of Iowa State, though they did get a receiver or two that were "OU good."

I think several things were a factor in OU losing some pretty important players, while still getting a quality class. One was that there was a terrific runner that early on we were favored to get. But he wanted to play big shot and go down to signing day and we didn't want to play that game with him. I think it's the position. There are too many quality guys to take that risk. So we looked elsewhere and he wanted to be our exclusive. Without committing.

But a bigger factor is a different make up of this staff. A lot was made of three Lackawanna guys. It's because Bedenbaugh knows that staff and trusts them. More importantly, that's where his best relationships are in recruiting. That part of the country. In OLine recruiting, we got a Pennsylvania guy, an Illinois guy an Oklahoma guy and two jucos. Bill's strongest recruiting relationships aren't in Texas.

When we went in another direction at RB, we got a really good kid that Riley knew really well. In the same general area where he also got OUr quarterback. Both were kids he'd been watching for a while, on the Atlantic coast. So instead of Bueschell or Whaley, both from Texas, we got two from North Carolina.

No BJW, with the best Texas hs relationships of just about anybody.

I also think that Mack Brown's way of recruiting is going to be missed. Mack always got his share of quality Texas recruits, but it was usually mostly out of the way by April. We did fight some battles with them. Lost more than we won, but there were not many flips in January. They usually flipped by September. There was lots of time for plan B. Charlie's way of doing things will be different, and harder to navigate.

And then there was the race card. SAE hurt OU and more than we'll ever know I believe. Hoping that it doesn't last for multiple seasons. But that had more to do with Charlie being able to show the difference between his staff of seven African American coaches and three white guys. And the school with the SAE video.

The proximity of TCU and Baylor is a factor. I'd love to know the real reason that the great athlete at safety, who'd been committed to OU for since last summer, started looking elsewhere a month ago. Teenagers do change their minds. Maybe he broke up with his gf. But that was a tough one. And you could tell from the look on Gundy's face yesterday that they had losses exceeding what they'd expected heading into yesterday. Losing Cobb was a lot bigger deal than losing Velus. The latter was committed for less than a week. And we found a quality replacement.

A lot has been made of this being a lousy finish for a team that made the playoff. But I believe that will be a much bigger factor next season, than this. Curiously, in Rivals' rankings, OU finished one spot ahead of Michigan State, whose chief recruiting rival also had a banner signing day which included the top recruit in the country.

Just some other brief observations. When was the last time Oregon finished as low as 28th in recruiting? Apparently Phil Knight's checkbook isn't as deep as it used to be. As mentioned earlier, with all the ballyhooing of UHouston recruiting, they were 44th.

Mizzou's coaching changes put them in a lowly place for an SEC school. They were 53rd, one place ahead of Iowa State's new coaching staff, and four behind VaTech's new HC. Remember when Colorado thought life in the Pac 12 would fit them better? There were ranked 64, four places behind Colorado State.

Texas Tech was one spot behind Houston at 45. They had two recruits ranked over three stars and three under. OSU was 46. Their only recruit with more than three stars was Tramonda Moore, who is very unlikely to qualify.

Good stuff there Plaino, thanks. One thing that some people forget is how well we do with transfers. The list is long and some turn out to be to be very good players.
 
Actually, number 13. You're quoting the ESPN number. That doesn't fly around here. Rivals has you at 13. Two more thank your total number of wins the last two seasons. Combined.
Where was ou? With the season ou had they should have cleaned up. Bob & Boren know this.
 
I think OUr class is better than the Texas class. I understand that ESPN advertises the UT class like they do the SEC for business purposes, but that is okay.

I remember a quote from BJ Johnsons dad in February 2000 when he said he, the dad, loved the OU coaches, but These Guys, meaning Texas, are going to win a national championship. The Texas class had BJ and Chris Simms and was ranked number one. Eight months later, OU beat Texas 63 to 14, and 11 months after the quote, we won a national title.

Recruiting is very important. I get that. But there is more to it than that. OU has more wins in the last year than UT has in two. UT has its 4th OC in three years. I like OUr team better. If you were to count Kyler in OUr class and another transfer from Penn State at receiver, I view the classes as a wash. And I am pretty sure OUr staff is better. Charlie is under .500 in back to back years. Bob? His worst season is 8 and 5.
 
I'm no recruiting guru or anything, but what is the thinking behind the stance of one recruiting service being more reputable or reliable than another?? You have Rivals, ESPN, Scout, and maybe some others out there I don't know about. They all have different team rankings and different ratings of individual players. Recruiting evaluation isn't an exact science, so how can anyone say for certain which recruiting service is the most accurate?

Billy Ray I think they are all a little subject to a false picture. I do not think there is much difference to a class with a 3.43 average per player and a 3.49.

I used to coach youth football in a league where we had a little tryout every year .. no pads .. and then drafted the teams from scratch every year from scratch except for a max of two coaches sons. So I would have this long and detailed spread sheet based on the brief look we got of each kid. But when I drafted, I never automatically took the next guy on the sheet. I would look at the next 10 or so and took a kid whom I remembered for hustle or a great attitude or something else.

And the reason was that what I gave weight to in the values of a 100 pound kid over a 91 pounder, were contrived. Same thing between a 6.2 40 time in the 40, and a 6.35. I recognized that my list was inherently flawed.

These recruiting lists have some value. There is no doubt about that. But there is so much derived about the difference between being 13th and 21st. Texas and TCU. I sure know who has coached em better the last three years.

You just do not know how anybody will take the next step.
Jonathan Gray was the second best high school running back I have ever seen. I think the first hs football game I ever saw was in 1963. Got serious about watching a year or two later. But with injury involved some, and not a great adapting on his part, he was never a great player. Likely will not be drafted. The best I ever saw was Earl. He is a hall of famer and won a Heisman. You just never know who will still dominate at the next level.
 
I think OUr class is better than the Texas class. I understand that ESPN advertises the UT class like they do the SEC for business purposes, but that is okay.

I remember a quote from BJ Johnsons dad in February 2000 when he said he, the dad, loved the OU coaches, but These Guys, meaning Texas, are going to win a national championship. The Texas class had BJ and Chris Simms and was ranked number one. Eight months later, OU beat Texas 63 to 14, and 11 months after the quote, we won a national title.

Recruiting is very important. I get that. But there is more to it than that. OU has more wins in the last year than UT has in two. UT has its 4th OC in three years. I like OUr team better. If you were to count Kyler in OUr class and another transfer from Penn State at receiver, I view the classes as a wash. And I am pretty sure OUr staff is better. Charlie is under .500 in back to back years. Bob? His worst season is 8 and 5.
Your kidding right. ou class is better than Texas. CS is just now getting his players. Brown didn't leave him much. H e also had to clean up a mess. Lots of players kicked off team & etc.
 
Where was ou? With the season ou had they should have cleaned up. Bob & Boren know this.

To be honest Gramps, I'm surprised in your response to OU's 2016 Class vs the 2015 season. I though you would have recognized what Coaching changes can do to an incoming roster. Mack used to have Texas under wraps, but since his departure, UT is not even close to the beacon it was when speaking about recruiting rankings. Typically speaking, but not always, the season prior is the season that should be measured. And with OU's down season of 8-5 and the several coaching changes shortly thereafter, there was not the time spent to be able to develop a lot of relationships with the then Juniors in HS. Couple that with the lack knowledge on the who's who in the area, it was difficult for the new coaches to identify their targets. It's a downfall of changing coaches. As a result, OU experienced probably their lowest ranking at OU since Bob arrived. Having said that, OU has already received verbals from (5) Four Star recruits for 2017. When comparing this to last year, OU didn't receive their first Four Star verbal until July I think. I could be wrong on that. But the point is that changing coaches also changes relationships and stability.
 
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Billy Ray I think they are all a little subject to a false picture. I do not think there is much difference to a class with a 3.43 average per player and a 3.49.

I used to coach youth football in a league where we had a little tryout every year .. no pads .. and then drafted the teams from scratch every year from scratch except for a max of two coaches sons. So I would have this long and detailed spread sheet based on the brief look we got of each kid. But when I drafted, I never automatically took the next guy on the sheet. I would look at the next 10 or so and took a kid whom I remembered for hustle or a great attitude or something else.

And the reason was that what I gave weight to in the values of a 100 pound kid over a 91 pounder, were contrived. Same thing between a 6.2 40 time in the 40, and a 6.35. I recognized that my list was inherently flawed.

These recruiting lists have some value. There is no doubt about that. But there is so much derived about the difference between being 13th and 21st. Texas and TCU. I sure know who has coached em better the last three years.

You just do not know how anybody will take the next step.
Jonathan Gray was the second best high school running back I have ever seen. I think the first hs football game I ever saw was in 1963. Got serious about watching a year or two later. But with injury involved some, and not a great adapting on his part, he was never a great player. Likely will not be drafted. The best I ever saw was Earl. He is a hall of famer and won a Heisman. You just never know who will still dominate at the next level.

Totally agree with that...these boys for the most part have not finished growing. Rarely will you get AP...heck look at Lebron (different sport) but he was a full grown man at 18. He looks like he is about 40 yo. now. Until they hit the field, do what is asked of them as far as training and school...you just do not know. However, I don't think you saw JG play in 1963.
 
As Plaino has pointed out, you guys have had 4 OC's in 3 yrs. That's some serious changes and it has had a direct result in the type of offensive player and the quality of player UT has been able to recruit.
 
As Plaino has pointed out, you guys have had 4 OC's in 3 yrs. That's some serious changes and it has had a direct result in the type of offensive player and the quality of player UT has been able to recruit.

These guys have enough smarts to understand that coaching stability is huge.

One of the lesser reasons Caleb Kelly didn't choose Oregon was a coaching shakeup of a minor nature there.
It's the little subtleties they notice.
 
As Plaino has pointed out, you guys have had 4 OC's in 3 yrs. That's some serious changes and it has had a direct result in the type of offensive player and the quality of player UT has been able to recruit.
I agree. But we have a great class to address these issues.
 
Totally agree with that...these boys for the most part have not finished growing. Rarely will you get AP...heck look at Lebron (different sport) but he was a full grown man at 18. He looks like he is about 40 yo. now. Until they hit the field, do what is asked of them as far as training and school...you just do not know. However, I don't think you saw JG play in 1963.
If it sounded like that, it wasn't intended. I was trying to say I've watched high school football for 52 years and Gray was the second best high school player I've ever seen. The only one better was Earl. Each had very different college careers.
 
Texas # 10
Just for your info.

Texas
247 - 11
Rivals - 13
ESPN - 10
Scout - 8
Avg - 10.5

A&M
247 - 18
Rivals - 16
ESPN - 20
Scout - 21
Avg - 18.8

Baylor
247 - 17
Rivals - 17
ESPN - 17
Scout - 19
Avg - 17.5

Texas A&M
247 - 18
Rivals - 16
ESPN - 20
Scout - 21
Avg - 18.8

Oklahoma
247 - 20
Rivals - 19
ESPN - 21
Scout - 20
Avg - 20.0

TCU
247 - 23
Rivals - 21
ESPN - 23
Scout - 16
Avg - 20.8

UofH
247 - 40
Rivals - 44
ESPN - 30
Scout - 51
Avg - 41.3
 
Gramps, here is one I consider much more worthwhile. And a lot more relevant. Also from ESPN



There's no better way to judge a recruiting class than waiting four years. Today, we're re-ranking the Big 12 classes of 2012. A few of these classes played key roles in Big 12 titles. A few helped cost head coaches their jobs. Here are our revised letter grades.

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1. Baylor Bears

2012 grade: B-

2016 grade: A

Top signees: WR Corey Coleman, RB Shock Linwood, QB Seth Russell, LB Eddie Lackey, C Kyle Fuller

This group has won two Big 12 titles and 40 games. Not bad. Coleman became an All-American and a Biletnikoff Award winner. Linwood is 204 yards away from becoming Baylor’s all-time leading rusher. Lackey, a juco transfer, was a star on those title teams and one of four signees that started 20-plus games for Baylor’s defense. Russell and Fuller are back for another big year. Not many busts in this class, though it’s a shame DT Javonte Magee didn’t work out.

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2. Oklahoma Sooners

2012 grade: B+

2016 grade: A

Top signees: WR Sterling Shepard, LB Eric Striker, CB Zack Sanchez, DECharles Tapper, QB Trevor Knight

The leaders of the Sooners’ recent College Football Playoff and Big 12 title squad all came from this class. Striker, Sanchez and Tapper were three-stars who developed into studs, and Shepard is one of the Sooners’ all-time greats. There were many misses in this No. 11 ranked class -- 12 of the 28 signees did not qualify, transferred or left the program -- but those who stayed won big this year.

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3. TCU Horned Frogs

2012 grade: B-

2016 grade: B+

Top signees: S Derrick Kindred, K Jaden Oberkrom, OT Halapoulivaati Vaitai, C Joey Hunt, DE Josh Carraway

The class Gary Patterson inked before heading to the Big 12 ended up being a quality one: 11 of the 24 signees were key starters on TCU’s conference title squad in 2014. The star of this class should’ve been Devonte Fields, the Big 12’s AP Defensive Player of the Year as a freshman, but his TCU career was over after 16 games. Kindred and Carraway were no-star recruits who became All-Big 12 talents, and B.J. Catalon and Kolby Listenbee emerged as quality offensive weapons.

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4. Oklahoma State Cowboys

2012 grade: C+

2016 grade: B+

Top signees: DE Emmanuel Ogbah, DT Calvin Barnett, CB Kevin Peterson, CBAshton Lampkin, LB Seth Jacobs

Solid class from top to bottom. Ogbah shared Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year honors, Barnett won Newcomer of the Year in 2012 and both were two-time All-Big 12 players. Peterson was another all-conference stud, and more than a dozen signees developed into starters. The most newsworthy departure from this group, QB Wes Lunt, has been fairly average so far at Illinois.

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5. Kansas State Wildcats

2012 grade: C-

2016 grade: B

Top signees: CB Morgan Burns, DT Travis Britz, FB Glenn Gronkowski, RBCharles Jones, LB Will Davis

K-State classes are never easy to grade with all the juco transfers, grayshirts and walk-ons, but this was a nice group. Burns became Big 12 Special Teams Player of the Year. Jones, Gronk, Joe Hubener and Deante Burton all came from this class. Juco transfers Tavon Rooks, Dylan Schellenberg and Alauna Finau became key pieces. You could throw former grayshirt Dante Barnett in this class, too, though we counted him toward 2011.

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6. West Virginia Mountaineers

2012 grade: C+

2016 grade: B

Top signees: S Karl Joseph, C Tyler Orlosky, S K.J. Dillon, DE Noble Nwachukwu, OG Mark Glowinski

Like TCU, West Virginia brought on some quality talent in time for the move to the Big 12. Joseph, a four-year star who was on his way to an All-America senior season, was one of 10 future reliable starters in the class. Can’t forget ESPN 150 RB Rushel Shell, who signed with Pitt but ended up at WVU. A dozen WVU signees did leave the program, so maybe this class was a little hit-and-miss. But it was a good start for joining the league.

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7. Texas Longhorns

2012 grade: A

2016 grade: C+

Top signees: DT Malcom Brown, DT Hassan Ridgeway, CB Duke Thomas, RBJohnathan Gray, LB Peter Jinkens

A No. 3-ranked class hailed as one of Mack Brown’s best didn’t live up to expectations. Malcom Brown was a dominant force and first-round pick, but one of only two All-Big 12 players in the 28-man class. Gray, the can’t-miss high school legend, might’ve been one if not for injuries. There might be a dozen multiyear starters in this class, but few became stars and their four-year record is 28-23.
 
Your kidding right. ou class is better than Texas. CS is just now getting his players. Brown didn't leave him much. H e also had to clean up a mess. Lots of players kicked off team & etc.
Just now getting his players?? Was he just being coy the last two years??
 
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