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In BV WE TRUST

Sometimes it takes a humbling season like this to turn things around. We won a lot of games last season by a touchdown or less - with Caleb at qb. With Caleb, this same team is likely a one loss team right now.

fans need to trust the process bv has in place. I watched usc last night and that team is just as bad as us… but they have a legit qb to overcome those flaws.

Defense gave up 23 points today. They did their job. Offense has to score more than 20 points.


-OUBIGDAWG

Something has to change

Every time I think this team has finally bottommed out, the staff and players seem to find new and creative ways to solidify their place in history as the absolute worst that Oklahoma has fielded in the modern era. Given the Gibbs, Blake and Schnelly years, it’s hard to even fathom 2022 OU reaching those depths of futility. Nonetheless, the level of incompetence, sloppiness and apathy displayed today makes a strong case for being at the very bottom of any list.

As of today, the Oklahoma program looks far more like one in the early stages of a severe and protracted decline than it does one that’s in the midst of a successful rebuild. The latter would be characterized by a poor start followed by modest, but steady, improvement over time. That’s not evident at all in the Sooner’s body of work under Venables. This team is the worst in the conference AND they’re actually regressing from one week to the next.

While Brent Venables clearly deserves ALL of the criticism he’s getting for failing to deliver a semi-respectable team that plays hard and/or smart, the nature of his contract means that he will ABSOLUTELY continue as OU’s HC for at least the next couple seasons. Frankly, it would only do further (perhaps irreparable) damage to the program to make a change even if it were possible. It would tank a recruiting class that may be the only near term salvation.

So, what can Joe C and the more influential boosters do?

For starters, they can/should force BV to fire Ted Roof and bring in a proven DC/LB coach that Brent likes/respects. Whomever that is, they should have complete control over the scheme, play calling and staffing decisions on that side of the ball. The defense has been utterly woeful and shown no signs of getting better. They need a fully-dedicated coordinator and position coaches that know wtf they are doing.

Additionally, they can require that Brent jettison the interim WR coach and bring in a AHC/WR/Recruiting Coordinator. I’ve seen names like Jeff Scott or R Samples floated. It doesn’t really matter as long whomever it is is just a MONSTER recruiter.

Finally, OU needs to hire a couple of guys with background in scouting and have them fully dedicated to looking at every single entry into the portal. These dudes sole focus should be separating the wheat from the chaff and passing that on to the staff member responsible for that position. The Sooners simply cannot afford another year of transfers that add little to no value. BV and the staff have plenty to do with trying to fix the mess they made of things this year. It needs to be made as easy as possible for them to try and go get guys that can contribute in a meaningful way.

The overall rationale is simple. OU is staring down the barrel of another losing season in 2023. The Sooners can’t afford to watch Brent flail as he tries to be HC, DC and recruiting coordinator. It won’t work and it never should have been allowed in the first place. If they have to spend $2MM/yr on a DC, then do it. Hire a f’ing mercenary DC who can install his defense and show progress in 2023. That’s exactly what Dabo did when he brought Brent to Clemson. With Cale gone, the Sooners also need at least a couple guys that can recruit well DESPITE two lackluster seasons. Things will NEVER improve if the talent coming in isn’t at least Top 10. Finally, having a real DC along with Scott/Samples (or whomever) will give BV a stronger core to lean on.

simply put, the big boys need to step in and TELL Brent what his staff will look like. The move to the SEC is imminent. For better or worse, BV is who OU has for the near future. So, you surround him with a f’ing ace staff and develop him into the HC you thought you were hiring.

What About Bob?

Wondering if BV has picked Bob Stoops' brain on how to solve some of these recurring issues with discipline, blown assignments ... or just asked him for any assistance/advice in general during this train wreck?

It's got to be killing Bob to watch this each week, especially after he personally held the program together last winter ... and having to watch a son go through this mess each week as well (which could/should maybe give Bob more insight about locker room issues, etc., if Drake wants to spill).

Don't know if BV is also too proud and/or stubborn to ask for help ...

Defensive Ranking statistics foreshadow a bright future. We do not have a coaching problem.

Our current total defense ranking is 111th in the country. Our previous five year rankings were: 60, 28, 64, 101, and 68. You take a 60th rank defense and lose your defensive line to the NFL, then you have a 111th ranked defense. Clemson's defense is currently 28th. Their previous five years were: 2, 18, 3, 1, and 2. This is our future. Venables has not forgotten how to coach defense. We just don't have the Jimmies and Joes. I love our team, but they are not an elite group as evidenced by their play on the field and the aforementioned lack of preseason Big 12 or All American team members. In other words, TBOW left us with an empty sack.

Our offense is ranked 43. Not bad but it is now combined with an 111th ranked defense. Thus, we are 5-5. The previous five years were: 8, 6, 6, 1, and 3.

We do not have a coaching problem and is complaining really going to help anyway? I think remaining optimistic will help bring better players here.

OU- Sad current stats

Which of these makes you cringe more?

-OU’s only win over a team with a winning record this year was against Kansas with their back up QB

-the Baylor team that just beat us in Norman, lost yesterday 31-3 at home to K-St

-Unless OU wins out (beats OSU, Tech and bowl opponent) OU will have at least as many losses this season as the last 3 seasons combined.

Some perspective

I’ve been an OU fan since the 70s. This team looks as mentally unprepared for the game of football as any OU squad I’ve ever seen. This reminds me a lot of Blake’s teams.

The mental breakdowns this late in the season are inexcusable. Rushing 3 on 4th and 10? Really? Some of the coaching calls were just baffling. OU continues to be plagued Pre-snap penalties from guys who have played a lot of football. The out and out softness on critical 3rd and 4th downs.

What a disaster.

This year's team compared to years past?

Is it possible that this year's team is about same as years past? Difference is, don't have Heisman level QB and couple skill players to cover things up? Put kyler, CD and Mixon on this team, and things prob look lot different. Hell, just putting kyler or Baker on this team, and we're prob 8-2? Maybe im just reaching for things to feel better or blame things on lol

Staff Realignment

It will be interesting to see whether BV feels compelled to make some staff changes pretty quickly after the season ends in light of how things have played out. While I don’t know that Roof or Chavis have necessarily underperformed, especially since neither guy was given much to work with, I have to believe that Brent fully expected to be closing 2023, shoring up 2024 and starting in on 2025 coming off of a strong showing in his first year. Likewise, I don’t think there’s any way in hell he anticipated the absolute meltdown on defense.

Frankly, I’ve always felt that Roof hiring was heavily predicated on the fact that Venables was comfortable that he wouldn’t need another strong recruiter if OU was coming off a 11-1/10-2 type finish in 2022. That assumption allowed him the luxury of hiring a guy with HC/DC experience who was humble enough to run Brent’s defense AND could shoulder some of the admin BS that a HC has to deal with. With the season going off the rails, OU won’t be in a position to point to “on the field” results to sell recruits. Until at least next Oct/Nov successful recruiting is going to require guys that can effectively sell a vision and leverage their own name, reputation and track record. Ted Roof is definitely NOT that guy.

Chavis seems like a guy that was hired based upon his potential and the belief there would be time for him to grow into the role. His position group has been woeful but the talent and depth are borderline pathetic - the worst on the team. Chavis has actually recruited pretty damn well. However, it’s not lost on anyone that a lack of development at DE and LB is killing OU. So, it’s almost the reverse of Roof. Bates is historically one of the preeminent DE/DT coaches in the country and it’s pretty obvious that the Sooners need a dedicated LB coach. Chavis would seem to be surplus to needs.

My time with the team this past weekend. Long read but worth it.

Well, here is my second go at this: I screwed up and erased it the first time around while trying to please the grammar police. For those that don’t have Grammarly, I highly recommend it. It catches things that spell check does not. Just write the damn thing in word and pull it over. SAVE is your friend. Ugh.



So, most of you know from my past that I have posted some good info on this board. Sometimes I am wrong (it happens), but I try to be as accurate as possible (to a point). In this case, I will tell you about my experience with the team starting last Thursday. It was very unexpected, but it opened my eyes to the REALITY of where we are as a team.

For anyone that doubts my account or thinks is bullshit, you can go F yourself. I owe this board nothing, especially people sitting behind the keyboard typing bshit that would never have the stones to say to my face. I love my Sooners like many of us, and it’s okay to have an opinion, but being an a-hole is not acceptable.

Thursday practice:



My buddy and I (Most of you know who it is, but I won’t name names) headed to the practice field in the middle of the afternoon. The team was stretching, so the gentleman that greeted us gave us a tour of the facility. Wow is the best word to describe it. I think it was #64 walking the halls as he was headed to the field and gave me a fist of greeting on the shoulder. Pretty cool, I thought. He was huge! After the tour, we headed into the weight room. A few kids were rehabbing with a strength coach. All the kids greeted us with yes sir…no sir…handshakes…hugs. NUTS! All of them were so very polite while getting hammered by the coach. Name of note Emeka Megwa. True freshmen. In all my years, I have never seen an 18-year-old kid this built. A man-child, and if he gets healthy, my God, get out of his way.

To the field we go:

Controlled chaos. Two fields are going at one time. Some kids are in full pads, while others are in shorts and helmets. I think the scout team was in full pads. Either way, it was awesome. Pads popping…coaches yelling…music blaring…all under the watchful eye of BV. They were running plays and such at this time, so BV was not involved. You could smell it…hear it and feel it. Game time was coming. Fuking awesome.

In any event, about 15 minutes later, BV came sauntering over to my buddy (not me, of course), and I was in a bit of clenched-ass mode. Coach introduces himself to me. I said my name, but it probably sounded like grib-nib. **** me. I hope I did not sound like an idiot. In any event, the conversation was just nuts, and BV was talking to me like he knew me as well.
After I settled down, I was able to chat with him and such about the team and where we are. I can not get into some of the specifics, but the thing that stuck out was that they have 53 new faces on the team. 53-fing new faces! That’s more than I thought. BV was every bit the intense workman that you would expect. He was genuine, and he so loves THIS team. You can just hear the way he talks about them. Man, I can’t describe it. I even told him I wanted to strap on the helmet. Put me in. Make no mistake about it. He has no excuses. He wants to win today. Now. He knows what we need and what it will take to get to the next level. He was honest about but make no mistake. It’s his way, and we are just getting started. He spoke of a foundation and such. I was amazed. Truly amazed. The man has a plan. I was so impressed with him. I will forever remember that conversation. He is a great man.

After about 20 minutes or so, he left us, and we got to walk around. And watch the rest of the practice. I got to meet Thad and, of course, Smitty. Freaking love that guy. I chatted with other coaches as well, and one comment that stuck out was the fact that a team like Georgia has 16 dline, and they can rotate in and out that can play in the SEC. We (may) have 4. We have zero depth, guys, and it shows. That’s been our problem on D all year. No pressure; undersized (by a long shot), had no experience, and we filled holes with bodies from other teams. Do your research, and you will see the truth. Not my/your opinion but the reality of the position we are in. We also chatted about the football facilities. News coming, but I can’t say here.



They break and surround BV. He brings the gospel.

He pulled no punches with the kids. They even called some kids out for the boneheaded mistakes they made. He preached accountability and to do YOUR job. JUST YOUR JOB. He was fire and brimstone, but you could feel his passion for perfection, and he oozed it. He was willing to help his kids with everything he had. I can’t say enough about that moment. The kids were dialed in. I wanted to get right in there with them. For fuk’s sake, I would have run through a wall for BV.



They break and go to separate fields. BV is right in there with them. He was even playing QB. Not a bad arm, indeed. He was coaching…coaching…coaching the whole time. He never stopped. My God, what energy, and the kids loved it. They were focused indeed. It’s not that the other coaches were not involved. It was more so that I concentrated on BV. It was a site to see.

Practice ended, and I got to chat with DG for a bit. I love that kid. So very polite. We talked about his concussion and some other things—a genuine young man. I saw him make a beautiful one-handed grab on a skinny post. Yes…our QB can catch. Pretty cool.



Practice ends. My head is spinning.



Friday:

Walkthrough. Wanna go? Hell ****ing yes, I do.

This was altogether different. It was about packages and pulling kids in and out. Very regimented and detailed. It was indoors, so it was easier to hear things. Kids were at attention, and to cross that line, you had to earn the right to play. It was a relaxed feel to it. As I walked around a bit by myself, MC (line coach) walked up to me and introduced himself. The dude is so cool. Not sure whom he thought I was, but it was freaking awesome for him to do that. I was soaking in the moment. I was in a place that 99% of you yahoos would never get to see, and I was lucky…blessed…fortunate to be there, and I will forever be grateful.

They break and surround BV. More fire….more brimstone…more reality. I will only tell you one comment that hit me like a ton of bricks.

“Former players set the standard, and they are watching you.”

You could have heard a cricket fart. It was so quiet after that.

Walk-through ends.

The kids come filing by, and I have no delusions of grandeur here. I was standing next to my buddy (no names), and they were all slapping hands…hugging, and such. I was part of the party, and they were doing the same to me. I gave encouragement and such, and they were oh-so-nice and grateful—all of them. I felt part of them. I started loving those kids. Truly. I will never forget that. Ever.

We leave. Head spinning…again. I need a beer or 12 stat.



Game day: Wanna go on the field? Are fuking serious? Hell, yes, I do. FML, hell, yes.

I have been on the sideline line at the cotton bowl, and that was cool, and I had been on the field at the palace for Stoops HOF, but this was altogether different. Let me tell you.

Warm-up:

Man, you could feel the energy. Kids were dialed in. Relaxed. I was not. My ass was tighter than a hamster’s ass in a hurricane. To be that close is super cool. I did not expect what would happen next. At the cotton bowl, we went back and forth during the game but behind the bench. This time….oh boy.

Game time:

To put it bluntly, I was on the tarp. Did I feel out of place? Your damn right I did. The game started, and here I was right in with the team. Back and forth we went, and it was so crazy cool. At one point, I was standing right in front of the dlineman as they sat down. MC sat with them and was not happy…not ****ing happy at all. He was pissed. Holy hell, if I could slink away under a rock, I would have, but I stayed. I won’t tell you what was said, but after he was done, BV came over and started in on them again. Holy fuk.

At the end of the first quarter, I decided to head back up to the suite. I could have stayed the whole game, but I left for reasons of my own. I did come back down at halftime for the HOF induction. I got to chat with Stoops again and, of course, coach Switzer. Gosh, I love those guys.











On a funny note, as I was standing with Stoops, a girl yelled for him so he could see her tshirt.



It said:

Switzer

Stoops

Bitch

Venables

I almost pissed my shorts because I know Stoops saw it. He did not say a thing. My Lord, it was funny.



The game ends. Ugh.



It’s a three-hour drive for me, so I got a chance to reflect on my weekend. I will share my thoughts here, and they are not meant to dissuade any of you yahoos either way. This was my special time with the team, and I will forever cherish every moment. Take it for what you will, gang.

The team:

I love these kids. They break their asses every day. They were so gracious to me and such gentlemen. That’s a product of BV. As God as my witness, I would have hugged every one of them after the game.

They lost, and I know it kills them.

“Former players set the standard..and they are watching.”

I know this rings true.





Of all the losses, this one has affected me greatly. My time with them was short, and I could only imagine how the coaches felt for these kids after a loss. It was heartbreaking. Truly. I know the coaches take it ten times as hard, and I would have hugged BV. I know how much he cares. There is no doubt in my mind.



So where are we:

Here is the truth: this is no dig at the current players. We are young…small…..no depth, and have no experience. Fifty-three new faces on a proud Oklahoma team that has had great success since 1999. They have a new coaching staff that has a history of greatness, and that’s a lot to live up to. We, as fans, only see it from the chair in the stands or the TV. We see the same mistakes over and over, and trust me; the coaches were all about JUST DO YOUR JOB. Over and over. They are coaching the hell out of this team. They see the mistakes WAY more than we ever will.

Guys, we just don’t have the horses. We lost our best players on D last year, and we were not very good then. Did we win more games? Yep. But we were damn lucky.

We are no Alabama…Ohio state. We can not plug in a new player and be awesome. Some of you will point to Oregon or LSU and say well, look at them! They did not go through what OU went through. Not even close. It’s triage for the coaches right now, and in order to be great, they must be in the system, and this will take time, guys. But it will happen.



So in closing, the future is bright for OU. We have an excellent coaching staff in place. The kids are all in, but there will be bumps in the road. Some of you will sit on your pulpit and piss and moan. That’s fine. That’s your opinion. I have my opinion, and while it’s damn difficult to see what we have on the field, I have been given a far greater perspective on the big picture. Time….we need it and lots of it.

I was so blessed to be there. Fortunate, lucky, and I will always remember it. The smells…sounds….the atmosphere was just so awesome. I love my Sooners, and I know all of you do as well. Just be patient. It’s going to take some time to rebuild, and trust me…it’s a rebuild. But I genuinely believe we have the right guy in place. His hand was dealt, and he will play with it. I won’t speak for him, but my impression is that he knows it.

Well, there you have it, gang.

Have a great day and please keep this here.

The problem for OU

There’s 2 avenues in recruiting imo to return to a top 5-10 team and almost always competitive.

1) We have to stop coming in 2nd for all our top target recruits. Seeing guys we’ve had committed and/or took it to signing day with us feeling like we have a chance, all making plays week in and week out tells me that we are going after the right guys. This appears that it’s going to continue for at least the 2023 class.

2) Since #1 is a problem and likely to continue…the strategy needs to change to find guys that will fit a certain identity and culture of toughness. Trust me, fans can hardly live with a mediocre offense but this fan base would be much more enjoyable if we had a defense that just hit every team in the mouth and was the hardest team to run against.

Having a special QB would mask a lot of the current issues this team has such has toughness and lack of speed across the board. Dillon is not that guy…JMFA might be but it’s hard to expect that from day one next year. We will see

Better coaching when it comes to situational football will help the results on the scoreboard. And I will say it til I’m blue in the face, Venables has to learn and grow just like he preaches about the players. He’s a first time head coach so the mistakes are there but he needs to not overthink “well we were 1-12 or whatever on 3rd down so the FG I thought was a blah blah.” The realization is 3 points was not going to win the game and in the end it was not going to extend the game because WVU was going to name their score on the last drive.

Venables needs to steadily improve each year and best case scenario 2024 they will be back in the playoff convo at the end, although I would bet on 2025 or 2026 IF Brent is the guy to get us there. If not then we need to prepare for some dark days.
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