Who would you want to replace Mike

[ESPiam]

Well here is the top 40 DCs pick away...

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/DefensiveCoordinatorsTop100AssistantCoaches.htm

Here is another http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nsive-coordinators-in-college-football/page/2

 

[CTOkie]

Most people agree that OU would be a better if we had a different play caller on the defensive side of the ball. There are several names I would like to see. of course Venebales is at top of list but he isnt leaving Clemson.
So:
1. Barry Odum
2. Bob Shoop,

Any thoughts???

I'm not sure Mike Stoops is the problem. I think it's the level of talent that's taking its toll. I think the new defensive coaches, Cook and Reynolds, need time to recruit and develop their players and then let Mike Stoops operate them from the press box during games.
OU has four 4-star defensive players so far in its 2016 class and brought in eight 4-star defensive players in 2015 (only 3-4 saw action by my count: Haughton, Overton, Sunderland...and maybe Mbanasor).
OU's in on two 5-star linebackers in California and a 4-star defensive end from Kansas among some other highly touted players.
OU had a Cinderella season going into the Clemson game....and wound up with an 11-2 record and a top ten finish. While the game was a loss, it showed the coaching staff that better talent on defense....and on the offensive line...was critical. I think those two areas have been addressed in 2015 and are being so now.

 

[JConXtsy]

Well here is the top 40 DCs pick away...

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/DefensiveCoordinatorsTop100AssistantCoaches.htm

Here is another http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nsive-coordinators-in-college-football/page/2

Both are poor lists just slopped together without research or thought. The fact that the first list is missing Aranda is silly, and the second list has Greg Mattison on it who was just demoted to DL coach and Don Brown was brought in to replace him. Don Brown doesn't appear on either list.

I hope there aren't any AD's relying on these media publications for their choices.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

That would be you're old run-of-the-mill STUD middle linebacker. Thinking a Rocky Calmus or Teddy Lehman.

How about a Dante Jones or Brian Bosworth type? Yet, if you're wanting them to play in the Major League, I'd say Bo Jackson...

 

[bcsoonerfan]

Revisionist history...again.

This board was littered with posters elated with Mike's return and were ready for Brent to take a hike.

I think we'll be just fine if we ditch the 3-4 scheme. We've got to many quality big boys (Romar, Walker, Overton, Wade) to plug the middle. We have to get back to dictating our opposition's offense.

 

[SoonerTulsan]

How about a Dante Jones or Brian Bosworth type? Yet, if you're wanting them to play in the Major League, I'd say Bo Jackson...

I'm praying you realize that MLB is an acronym for middle linebacker. Earnestly praying.

 

[OUgradJeff]

Watching the bowl games, Baylor, and TCU did a much better job of coaching thier teams (which they always do).

A bit of selective memory to me, especially when it comes to Art Briles/Baylor:

2013 Fiesta Bowl: #15 Central Florida over #6 Baylor 52-42
2014 Cotton Bowl: #8 Michigan State over # 5 Baylor 42-41 (a game in which Baylor led by 20 in the 4th Quarter).

As for Patterson, he'd built up TCU into a Top 10 program by the time they moved into the Big XII, going 47-5, going to 2 BCS Bowls, and 3 Top 7 finishes in the 4 years before coming to the Big XII. Yet, 4 years into being in the Big XII, he has all of 1/2 of a conference championship. Bob Stoops has triple that over the last 4 years (1/2 of a title in 2012 and a full title this year), a time when generally everyone agrees OU has been very down.

 

[Oklabama]

So it has come to the point that OU is compared to TCU as a reference for success. That's not the direction Oklahoma University should be headed.

 

[CTOkie]

So it has come to the point that OU is compared to TCU as a reference for success. That's not the direction Oklahoma University should be headed.

No, it's not.
But I believe it's possible that Stoops and his staff may have turned the corner with Riley, Cooks and Reynolds on the staff, 8 4-star recruits in the 2015 class and 4 more in the 2016 as of today with several more having serious interest in OU....Baker Mayfield back in 2016......and the Cinderella season just completed by a team that exceeded all expectations.
OU has some areas to rebuild this off season, but maybe there are better days ahead.....maybe.

 

[Oklabama]

No, it's not.
But I believe it's possible that Stoops and his staff may have turned the corner with Riley, Cooks and Reynolds on the staff, 8 4-star recruits in the 2015 class and 4 more in the 2016 as of today with several more having serious interest in OU....Baker Mayfield back in 2016......and the Cinderella season just completed by a team that exceeded all expectations.
OU has some areas to rebuild this off season, but maybe there are better days ahead.....maybe.

Exactly. We should EXPECT future success as a result.

 

[OUgradJeff]

A bit of selective memory to me, especially when it comes to Art Briles/Baylor:

2013 Fiesta Bowl: #15 Central Florida over #6 Baylor 52-42
2014 Cotton Bowl: #8 Michigan State over # 5 Baylor 42-41 (a game in which Baylor led by 20 in the 4th Quarter).

As for Patterson, he'd built up TCU into a Top 10 program by the time they moved into the Big XII, going 47-5, going to 2 BCS Bowls, and 3 Top 7 finishes in the 4 years before coming to the Big XII. Yet, 4 years into being in the Big XII, he has all of 1/2 of a conference championship. Bob Stoops has triple that over the last 4 years (1/2 of a title in 2012 and a full title this year), a time when generally everyone agrees OU has been very down.

1. Someone else made the comparison. I pointed out how flawed it is. Stoops has won 8 1/2 of the last 16 Big XII Championships, including this year's. There is no comparison.

2. With Texas being down, someone was going to take their spot towards the top of the conference. That's inevitable. Someone has to be the #2 program. Kudos to Briles and Patterson for duking it out to see who it is.

 

[JConXtsy]

2. With Texas being down, someone was going to take their spot towards the top of the conference. That's inevitable. Someone has to be the #2 program. Kudos to Briles and Patterson for duking it out to see who it is.

But many of the positive people here are excusing the blowout to Clemson as us not deserving to be in that game, because we would have lost to TCU and Baylor both if they had their #1 QBs. That says to me that even those with a positive outlook believe that Oklahoma is only #2 or #3 in the conference. TCU and Baylor are the ones that had down years due to attrition. Not us.

 

[Oklabama]

But many of the positive people here are excusing the blowout to Clemson as us not deserving to be in that game, because we would have lost to TCU and Baylor both if they had their #1 QBs. That says to me that even those with a positive outlook believe that Oklahoma is only #2 or #3 in the conference. TCU and Baylor are the ones that had down years due to attrition. Not us.

Well, if you put it that way...yes. I believe that OU performed much better than most expected; however, the Sooners were fortunate to have played TCU, Baylor and OSU when they did. Nothing wrong with that. Luck plays an important part of almost every champion's success. And every team's failure. But you are correct IMO.

 

[OUgradJeff]

But many of the positive people here are excusing the blowout to Clemson as us not deserving to be in that game, because we would have lost to TCU and Baylor both if they had their #1 QBs. That says to me that even those with a positive outlook believe that Oklahoma is only #2 or #3 in the conference. TCU and Baylor are the ones that had down years due to attrition. Not us.

Everyone has their own opinion. I do not share that one.

Both TCU and Baylor had 10-win seasons, not sure how that's a down season for teams that have never played for an MNC or made the CF playoff. Their current season was actually quite inline with the stature of their current programs, i.e. it was a perfectly normal year for them, not down year.

And we beat both and won the Big XII Championship, Bob Stoops 8 1/2 Big XII title to their 1 1/2 and 1/2.

Baylor had a great 2013-2014 and TCU had a great 2014. That small of a time frame is WAY too small to definitively declare they have surpassed OU. Especially given that, again, this year, OU beat both and won the Big XII.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

So it has come to the point that OU is compared to TCU as a reference for success. That's not the direction Oklahoma University should be headed.

I think it's more the other way around. The likes of TCU is using OU as the measuring stick. And occasionally they measure up in the form of a win. Baylor is no different, but with mores wins.

 

[SoonerTulsan]

Everyone has their own opinion. I do not share that one.

Both TCU and Baylor had 10-win seasons, not sure how that's a down season for teams that have never played for an MNC or made the CF playoff. Their current season was actually quite inline with the stature of their current programs, i.e. it was a perfectly normal year for them, not down year.

And we beat both and won the Big XII Championship, Bob Stoops 8 1/2 Big XII title to their 1 1/2 and 1/2.

Baylor had a great 2013-2014 and TCU had a great 2014. That small of a time frame is WAY too small to definitively declare they have surpassed OU. Especially given that, again, this year, OU beat both and won the Big XII.

Very well articulated. Nicely done.

 

[soonerdave]

We are probably missing BV's recruiting ability more than anything else

Along those lines, many people forget how much of a talent drop off we have experienced in the last 10 years. Coaching may have some contribution to issues we have, but talent and execution of the talent wins the games and championships.

 

[BillyRay]

Along those lines, many people forget how much of a talent drop off we have experienced in the last 10 years. Coaching may have some contribution to issues we have, but talent and execution of the talent wins the games and championships.

Ya it's been talked about that apparently when Mike got back on staff, him and Bob went round and round about how far the talent level had dropped compared to where it was when Mike left for Arizona. It's even been said that BV has been quoted as saying he now looks back and realizes that himself and the OU staff as a whole years ago really got complacent and lazy when it came to recruiting. BV had to reverse that course when he got to Clemson, as Dabo is known to heavily push recruiting 24/7/365 at Clemson. And BV being pushed to focus on recruiting again has shown in the talent his defense has out there.

 

[SoonerTulsan]

Let's review. Clemson's defense didn't stop OUr offense as much as OUr offense stopped OUr offense.

6 drives in 1st Half.

• 3 Drives - 2 TDs and FG
  
  • FG was a 1st and goal at Clemson 4
• 1 Drive to Clemson 30 - 15 yard penalty on Flowers - punt
• 2 Drives stopped by sacks, 1 at midfield.

4 drives in 3rd quarter

• 1 Drive on downs at Clemson 30 - Quick mental error on 3rd down
• 1 Drive to Clemson 40 - Quick cuts behind DB vs in front...INT
• 2 Drives stopped by sacks

....and Perine was injured, then Mixon, and finally Mayfield

Summary - 10 drives, 3 scoring drives.

• At least 2 drives, likely 3 more scoring drives, stopped by our mistakes.
  
• 4 drives stopped by Clemson's D via sacks against our OLine.
  • The same OLine that gave up 4 and 3 sacks respectively to ISU and KSU, blowout wins for us.

Stop slobbering all over Clemson's defense against OUr offense. We hurt ourselves...big time...in a big game.

Now let's talk about how Clemson ran the ball down our throats and started making TDs instead of FGs...after Evans got hurt and Alexander filled the middle. Killed us.

 

[BillyRay]

Let's review. Clemson's defense didn't stop OUr offense as much as OUr offense stopped OUr offense.

6 drives in 1st Half.

• 3 Drives - 2 TDs and FG
  • FG was a 1st and goal at Clemson 4
• 1 Drive to Clemson 30 - 15 yard penalty on Flowers - punt
• 2 Drives stopped by sacks, 1 at midfield.

4 drives in 3rd quarter

• 1 Drive on downs at Clemson 30 - Quick mental error on 3rd down
• 1 Drive to Clemson 40 - Quick cuts behind DB vs in front...INT
• 2 Drives stopped by sacks

....and Perine was injured, then Mixon, and finally Mayfield

Summary - 10 drives, 3 scoring drives.

• At least 2 drives, likely 3 more scoring drives, stopped by our mistakes.
  
• 4 drives stopped by Clemson's D via sacks against our OLine.
  • The same OLine that gave up 4 and 3 sacks respectively to ISU and KSU, blowout wins for us.

Stop slobbering all over Clemson's defense against OUr offense. We hurt ourselves...big time...in a big game.

Now let's talk about how Clemson ran the ball down our throats and started making TDs instead of FGs...after Evans got hurt and Alexander filled the middle. Killed us.

 

[SoonerTulsan]

Predictable.

 

[BillyRay]

In other news....there is a growing consensus that OUs defense didn't actually improve in 2015 and was very much a non-factor for the duration of the season. Evidence now apparently points towards OUs opponents stopping themselves offensively and that OUs defense had literally zero impact on the outcomes of games.

 

[SoonerTulsan]

Ya it's been talked about that apparently when Mike got back on staff, him and Bob went round and round about how far the talent level had dropped compared to where it was when Mike left for Arizona. It's even been said that BV has been quoted as saying he now looks back and realizes that himself and the OU staff as a whole years ago really got complacent and lazy when it came to recruiting. BV had to reverse that course when he got to Clemson, as Dabo is known to heavily push recruiting 24/7/365 at Clemson. And BV being pushed to focus on recruiting again has shown in the talent his defense has out there.

Ever thought about writing for the National Enquirer??

 

[BillyRay]

Ever thought about writing for the National Enquirer??

Just posting what I have read elsewhere. You can choose to believe it or not.

 

[JConXtsy]

Just posting what I have read elsewhere. You can choose to believe it or not.

I think he was joshing on the sentence. Read it slowly, and it does have a sound like my brother's girlfriend's father's cousin.

It has been said that Brent Venables has been quoted as saying.

Probably should have just wrote, "Brent Venables has been quoted as saying."

 

[SoonerTulsan]

Just posting what I have read elsewhere. You can choose to believe it or not.

Thanks Captain Obvious.

 

[BillyRay]

I think he was joshing on the sentence. Read it slowly, and it does have a sound like my brother's girlfriend's father's cousin.

It has been said that Brent Venables has been quoted as saying.

Probably should have just wrote, "Brent Venables has been quoted as saying."

Good point, but it's just typical ST trolling.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

There's predictable, then there's pre dick at the table... then I show up and ruin it...

 

[SoonerTulsan]

I think he was joshing on the sentence. Read it slowly, and it does have a sound like my brother's girlfriend's father's cousin.

It has been said that Brent Venables has been quoted as saying.

Probably should have just wrote, "Brent Venables has been quoted as saying."

Good point, but it's just typical ST trolling.

That's certainly ONE way of looking at it. Another is you're making incorrect assumptions...again.

 

[BillyRay]

That's certainly ONE way of looking at it. Another is you're making incorrect assumptions...again.

Or...your making assumptions about others incorrect assumptions. In the end, stop making assumptions. Can I make the assumption that you get the point, or is that assuming too much? Then again..given past history I don't consider that as making an assumption anyways.....

 

[Sooners83]

Or...your making assumptions about others incorrect assumptions. In the end, stop making assumptions. Can I make the assumption that you get the point, or is that assuming too much? Then again..given past history I don't consider that as making an assumption anyways.....

really?...bored much?

 

[BillyRay]

really?...bored much?

Lol, ya pretty much. Tulsan's posts make me yawn so I gotta do something to make it at least feel challenging...

 

[SoonerTulsan]

really?...bored much?

My cousin's husbands mother-in-laws grandson said "yes".

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

My cousin's husbands mother-in-laws grandson said "yes".

So you're telling us that your brother said, "yes?"

 

[SoonerTulsan]

So you're telling us that your brother said, "yes?"

No you idiot!!! My brother said we suck and should fire our HC!! Can't you read???

 

[ESPiam]

Both are poor lists just slopped together without research or thought. The fact that the first list is missing Aranda is silly, and the second list has Greg Mattison on it who was just demoted to DL coach and Don Brown was brought in to replace him. Don Brown doesn't appear on either list.

I hope there aren't any AD's relying on these media publications for their choices.

Some are legitimately on the hotseat...but its just for the sake of conversation

 

[coeSooner81]

Most people agree that OU would be a better if we had a different play caller on the defensive side of the ball. There are several names I would like to see. of course Venebales is at top of list but he isnt leaving Clemson.
So:
1. Barry Odum
2. Bob Shoop,

Any thoughts???

Bob Shoop hired at Tennesse

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

Damn. There went the Stoop & Shoop Show!

 

[Okie70]

No one. Don't where the remark about a "consensus" that OU did not improve defensively came from. Clearly the best D in the Big 12, got over the Baylor hump and held the hot offensive teams (half the conference) an average of at least 15 pts under their scoring averages. Now how to defense the Clemson's of the world is the next hurdle. Luckily not too many of those. But Houston may be one of them.