Ohio State finished 8th in the country in total defense and OU torched them just like they torched TCU twice and TCU would've finished top 5 in defense if it wasn't for the two losses to OU.
TCU Defense and Georgia's Defense ...
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Ohio State finished 8th in the country in total defense and OU torched them just like they torched TCU twice and TCU would've finished top 5 in defense if it wasn't for the two losses to OU.
Does it really matter the size of the defense? Alabama was considered ELITE and BIG when OU beat them soundly in the Sugar Bowl recently. Was Auburn's defense considered ELITE and BIG last year when OU beat them soundly as well?
Sooners were warned about pretty decent defenses before their last 2 trips to the Sugar Bowl. Here we go again.
Just looking at the NCAA stats the Dogs played 5 of the absolute bottom 30 offenses in the country- S. Car., Fla., Tenn., Ky. and Vanderbilt. On the other hand, OU is at No. 1 in offense as it played some pretty horrible Ds - Kan., TTech, UTEP, etc. So the real comparison should be in the big games -tOSU, our OSU, and TCU twice for OU;. NDame, Auburn twice and Missouri (given its the only real passing offense Dogs played) for Ga. OU 4-0. Only problems for OU were modest rushing numbers against tOSU (104), horrible defense against Hill in our OSU game. Ga. held to 64 rushing yards in first Auburn game. Got the turnovers in the rematch. Stop, or slow down, Dog runners and OU should be golden. Not sure the linebackers, or Mike Stoops, up to it. They were against tOSU and TCU though.
It's not that different. You just do it with much better players. Which of course makes it harder to defend. You have better players all around, but particularly at RB and TE. Their WRs and QB are pretty good. And you're deeper. Unlike Auburn, if your RB can't go, it's not gonna change much. I actually think your second RB in yardage is better.
Fans always have a way of saying we can do it because it's been done. You're not gonna stop our running game the way Auburn did. They have four legit Dlineman that will be in the pros. Several of their LBers will as well. They may well have the best Dline in college football. They have played well, and stoned good offenses all season. We put up the most yards per play against them last week by a pretty wide margin.
YPP is a much better way to judge offenses than total yards. It tends to give you a better assessment of how close the teams really are. We don't play your style and most of our schedule doesn't. That will limit the amount of plays run and yards accumulated. You guys are the king of the hill in that department as well as total yards. I tip my hat as your almost 8.5 yards per play is outstanding. Quite a gap between OU and UGA there, but ranking wise, we're still 13th in the country. The only other Big 12 offense that ranks above us in that department are Gundy's boys. So not exactly an average offense.
As far as the quickness and running that offense so fast it tires us out, Auburn and Mississippi State seem to be a little quicker than you guys. They average more plays per game and that's in a conference with far less speed racer offense. You guys rank in the bottom half of the Big 12 in plays per game. So most of the teams you are playing against want to go up and down the field at the same pace you do.
Don't worry though. We have the same thing going on with the UGA board. Many of our completely "objective" fans think since we beat Mizzou, a team that runs a similar offense and has a defense that's much weaker than their offense, we'll just boat race you in your up and down the field game. Faulty logic as well.
I've watched 5 games of your 13 game season so far. Plan to check out the rest.
Things that scare me:
Obviously Mayfield and his ability to prolong plays. I don't think he'll be able to hop around in the pocket as much against us, but making throws on the run and scrambling ability are a nightmare. They have been for Kirby at Alabama against guys like Manziel and Clemson's Watson. Baker is not quite as athletic as they are, but is a better passer from the pocket and on the run.
Your tight ends. We just haven't faced anyone with that amount of talent and that uses as well. The idea that our LBers are big and slow is just as faulty a take as I have seen on here and makes it very hard to respect the guy's football knowledge who said that over here. If anything, our defense is undersized compared to the avg. SEC defense and we make up for that with speed. Smith and Carter are as fast as you're likely to see and the others aren't slow. That said, our LBers having to worry about those TEs, particularly our Butkus award winner, is something we haven't had to worry with.
For all the praise for Mayfield, you guys run the ball 55% of the time and do it well. Extremely balanced, even running it many times on 3rd and long. Extreme headaches for our coaching staff.
On defense, though you are average there (both overall nationally and in your own conference) you are stronger against the run. That's our strength. So it very well could be that we'll need to pass more than normal to keep up should it get into a shootout. We're not without a passing attack, but we don't rely on it to win and that would force us into doing something we really haven't done all year.
You've handled offenses with pocket passers better than offenses with dual threats. Ours is the former. Jake can run if you completely forget about him, but he's not gonna bust you for a 50 yard TD or hang a hundred on you.
I assume you weren't around in the Switzer era. Or Bob Stoops first few years for that matter. ;-)
Want to stop the run against a running team? Then your front line needs to be: DE - DT - DT - DE with LB blitzes to put extreme pressure in the backfield.
Really simple so most likely Mike Stoops will probably start with a 2 or 3 man defensive line front and get gashed in the first half. Its been is M.O.
Really simple so most likely Mike Stoops will probably start with a 2 or 3 man defensive line front and get gashed in the first half. Its been is M.O.
Mizzou is much more of a true spread...larger line splits, heavy on pass to set up run with less balance, no H-back focus to the extent OU uses Flowers and certainly no TE emphasis. But the real difference is the incredible exploitation of the R P O. by on offensive genius and his executioner. HEUPEL is no Lincoln Riley and there's only one Baker Mayfield.
Yep sure.. believe this. Because Bob Stoops fired a Josh Heupel (OU National Title QB) as OC and replaced him with Lincoln Riley because their offenses were the same. Go ahead and believe this.
Better play caller perhaps. I'm not an expert by any means, but if there are differences, it's not night and day. You guys are acting like Josh runs the June Jones run n shoot and Lincoln runs out of the I formation.
I'll take you at your word.
Just know that if the JH offense was all that,
he would not have been fired & the other hired.
not really but it would be like saying former Tenn coach Butch Jones is as good of a coach as Nick Saban.
All of us know that SEC front 7s are usually the big difference with regards to the level of defense....if your LBs are exceptional covering the slot and RBs out of the backfield and your DL can catch a jack rabbit consistently I would say you will win. I would assume neither would have a lot of practice doing. A lot of outsiders have no idea the difference in Lincoln and Heupel. LR is an offensive genius at exposing your strengths and making them your weaknesses. Your DL and LBs will be running more than they ever have in 1 game....just ask aubbie....their DL still has their hands on their knees...and Joe Mixon is still open
You have to understand that Bob Stoops left a program like OU just to make sure Lincoln would be the next coach at OU and that no other program would have him and He just turned 34 years old...let that sink in. That should tell you something about Lincoln's ability as a play caller and OC and coach. He is a detailed oriented Sob....
one thing i was expecting but never happened, Bob was so good at getting his guys to limit their mental mistakes and lapses...it seems there has been no drop off
Dont get me wrong I respect UGA and what they have done...an exceptional team... it will be a dog fight...pun intended. It will be a great game to watch with stark differences how to approach it....
I'm just saying if the guy thinks we run a boring offense, he must've slept through a lot of OU games back then. Smashing people in the mouth, watching your Oline pancake block a bunch of people and shutting down opposing offenses may not be entertaining to the average fan, but if it's your team it never gets old.
No one said Josh is as good as Lincoln. You're saying that and assuming that's being said. We're just saying Mizzou may have been a good practice squad for what we're going to face.
You don't get to this level without being a detail oriented SOB. Think Saban isn't? Think Kirby isn't?
I don't see you guys talking much defense over here, unless it's the UGA defense. I think there is a reason for that.
A practice squad that can't touch OU's team speed, QB, TE, OL, WR's... Is there a Missery player who would even be a backup at OU?
I'll talk defense. OU's crappy defense will give up 28 or 31 points to your bulldog dyke bitches. That'll be 21-24 points fewer than your F.I.N.E. defense gives up...
kckd, good points. Should be a very competitive game. OU was playing well against Clemson in the '15 CFP until the second half. D collapsed. Turnovers in the red zone. Clemson clearly the better team. But OU now had two years more experience in the O Line and Baker. Better receivers and overall offense best I have ever seen. D average at best as you noted. But played the best in the big games. And not sure the UGA QB better than Barrett or Hill. Key is stopping the run game. And other than our OSU game, and the first half against KState, OU D has managed to do that.
Two other thoughts, kc. You say fans always say we can do it because it has been done. What do we have to argue about except what each team did this season? OU ate up 3 top rated Ds, Ohio State and TCU twice. Why should we think Baker will have abnormal problems with UGA? Your team crapped the bed in the first Auburn game.
You also said OU could not replicate Auburn's first game stonewalling the Ga. running game. Agree OU not likely to hold Dogs to 46 yards but I'll take 100. Or 150. Auburn's season rushing defense average was 134. OU's was 144. I think even Mike Stoops will have the guys ready for the Dog running game.
You also said OU could not replicate Auburn's first game stonewalling the Ga. running game. Agree OU not likely to hold Dogs to 46 yards but I'll take 100. Or 150. Auburn's season rushing defense average was 134. OU's was 144. I think even Mike Stoops will have the guys ready for the Dog running game.
That would be what a practice squad is. Usually nowhere near as good as the legit team. As far as your second paragraph, that's why we play the game. We'll see.
Mike will run a LB, DT, DT, LB and call it a four man front. Obo and Kelley are DE in MS world.
TCU defense players are not as athletic but better disciplined then UGA
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