TCU Defense and Georgia's Defense ...
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Probably a little better than TCU. Considering SEC offenses about 2/3 of what TCU faced Weekly. Especially that crappy SEC East.
I think Georgia is bigger up front. Nobody in the SEC plays against teams that run an offense like OUrs. I expect OUr offense to play well. Hopefully OUr defense can stop their run game.
TCU was much higher than 19th. OU beating them soundly twice is the only reason they are not in the top 10.
TCU Defensive Line
LE Ben Banogu 6'4" 240lbs
DT Chris Bradley 6'2" 275lbs
DT Ross Blacklock 6'4" 326lbs
RE Matt Boesen 6'4" 235lbs
Georgia Defensive Line
DT Trenton Thompson 6'4" 309lbs
NT John Atkins 6'4" 315lbs
DE Jonathan Ledbetter 6'4" 269lbs
JACK Davin Bellamy 6'5" 240lbs
They've got more size, but I wouldn't call it enormous like they are SEC giants compared to Big XII wussies
LE Ben Banogu 6'4" 240lbs
DT Chris Bradley 6'2" 275lbs
DT Ross Blacklock 6'4" 326lbs
RE Matt Boesen 6'4" 235lbs
Georgia Defensive Line
DT Trenton Thompson 6'4" 309lbs
NT John Atkins 6'4" 315lbs
DE Jonathan Ledbetter 6'4" 269lbs
JACK Davin Bellamy 6'5" 240lbs
They've got more size, but I wouldn't call it enormous like they are SEC giants compared to Big XII wussies
There are lots of teams with wide-open offensive styles in the mid-major conferences, for instance UCF and USF. Clemson and Georgia are, by my casual count, the 23 and 32 power conference teams on that list. Both teams and Alabama have statistically better defenses than OU, which means they rely on their defense to win for them more than OU does.
Personally, I feel that offensive and defensive numbers need to be seen in context to earn some significance.
If the Horned Frogs had NOT played the Sooners twice, they would have had the nation's top total defense average this year, rather than 19th.
Think about it.
Think about it.
Defense is pretty solid. Very good tackling teams and they have the best mlb in the country. However it has been suspect against the deep pass..which OU is good at.
The big thing that the Dawgs def has is depth. They rotate players, especially dl, in a lot, so they stay fresh. The lb's and db's are long and fast so they do creat matchup problems.
Going to be a good matchup.
The big thing that the Dawgs def has is depth. They rotate players, especially dl, in a lot, so they stay fresh. The lb's and db's are long and fast so they do creat matchup problems.
Going to be a good matchup.
Georgia runs a 3-4 defense. Baker will have to make a few adjustments.
We play up-tempo with success, no time to sub
3-4 but I think they bring the jack up regularly. The 3-4 is more about which end the true DE goes to and the jack goes to instead of a RE and LE. I could be wrong, because I can't stomach watching their boring ball games much.
We can. Against TCU though, I saw the play clock come up quite a few times.
I think we're more methodical against good defenses.
Lincoln doesn't need those gimmicks with our talent. He's ok reading a defense and then out smarting them.
Actually when your teams subs even in up tempo the def gets time to sub.
Its not a boring thing to watch..especially when you beat teams by 30..you have your ways..dawgs have theirs..contrast in style.
Btw the sec boring game was the highest rated college game all year .
Our offense rarely subs. Our best personnel are appropriate for about every offensive set we run. But we don't need up-tempo for our offense, Riley will do whatever is appropriate.
Lamb - WR - Prototypical receiver
Brown - WR - Jet receiver. Arguably the fastest in the nation
Andrews - TE - Both size and speed / blocking and receiving. One TE to do it all.
Anderson - RB - Speed, power, and moves. Runs and receives.
I've seen Georgia posts that want to compare our O scheme to Mizzou. It would be a mistake to make such a comparison even though the Mizzou O coordinator is our former QB and O coordinator. The O scheme we run today under L.R. is the most balanced and lethal I have ever seen. We may well lose to Ga. but I guarantee you they have not had to defend against anything remotely similar to our O.
Honestly this isn't true. UGA runs a 3-4 defense. So Bellamy lines up at OLB normally, and only shifts to DE in some i.e. passing down situations and packages. You can play coy if you choose, but that doesn't change the fact that UGA's pass-rushing OLB is bigger than 2 of TCU's 4 DLs. And he isn't even UGA's biggest LB.
Even if you call Boesen an OLB (Boesen had better hope some NFL team views him as a future 3-4 OLB) the average weight of TCU's DL is 280 lbs. The average for UGA is 298. But it isn't just size. Thompson was a 5 star recruit, Atkins and Ledbetter 4 star recruits.
Anyway, it is neat that you guys are focusing only on the DL and totally ignoring the LBs. Again, pretending that Bellamy is not a DE and calling him an LB.
Roquan Smith: 6'1" 225 lb.
Lorenzo Carter: 6'6" 242 lb.
Natrez Patrick: 6'3" 238 lb.
vs
Ty Summers: 6'2" 235 lbs
Travin Howard: 6'1" 213 lbs.
And that is, er, it because TCU lists only 2 LBs on their depth chart. They play a 4-2-5 defense. Oklahoma played a 4-2-5 when they won a national title against, granted, but their 2 LBs were much bigger, as was their DLs. In any case the backup LBs are 215 lb and 204 (seriously) lbs. And of the rover safety types that could be an OLB, only 1 - the backup - is over 200 lbs.
TCU simply was not capable of generating the sort of interior pressure - or pressure without blitzing - that UGA can. And the pressure that TCU did generate came at the expense of allowing OU to get over 200 rushing yards in both games. Mayfield rushing for 50 and 63 yards like he did against TCU? Not going to happen because the LBs will keep him contained.
Not saying that OU can't or won't win. Just that comparing TCU's 3 stars on defense to UGA's 4 and 5 stars that are bigger and stronger - without giving up a lick of speed or athleticism - isn't realistic.
I don't even know if this is a real response. Duh, they run a 3-4 defense. You quoted my post in your reply, so you must have read "JACK" in my post. Maybe you don't know what a JACK is? Pretty sure it's obvious I made point to the 3-4. How else are you going to compare 4 linemen to 3 linemen unless you bring up the JACK for 4-down linemen situations?
Oklahoma ran a 4-2-5 for their National Title? WTF? Stick to Georgia sports, cause you have no idea what you're talking about.
You probably only remember 2 bad-asses from that team (Calmus and Marshall), so you made a poor assumption. You forgot some guy named Brandon Moore that ended up having a more illustrious NFL career.
Focusing only on DL? You know how a conversation works, right? Most people don't come out of left field and bring up points that aren't at hand. The DL talk was simply a response to the flow of discussion.
I also love your reference to average weight to help your point... 280 vs 298. LOL. 6%. Man, I'm only 200lbs, but you could strap a 20lb weight to me, and it wouldn't affect me in just about anything I did outside of water.
Oklahoma ran a 4-2-5 for their National Title? WTF? Stick to Georgia sports, cause you have no idea what you're talking about.
You probably only remember 2 bad-asses from that team (Calmus and Marshall), so you made a poor assumption. You forgot some guy named Brandon Moore that ended up having a more illustrious NFL career.
Focusing only on DL? You know how a conversation works, right? Most people don't come out of left field and bring up points that aren't at hand. The DL talk was simply a response to the flow of discussion.
I also love your reference to average weight to help your point... 280 vs 298. LOL. 6%. Man, I'm only 200lbs, but you could strap a 20lb weight to me, and it wouldn't affect me in just about anything I did outside of water.
The 3-4 works pretty well in OU favor. OU backs have been getting to the 2nd level regularly and Evans and Brown has been clearing out LB all season. Then ad the RB wheel route or leak and it gets, interesting.
Yes, OU ran a 4-2-5 when they beat FSU for the national title. They switched to a more traditional scheme shortly after and I always thought it was a shame because I was a huge fan of that defense.
Ha ha you are funny. If focusing on DL is "how the conversation works" then why on earth would you bring up Bellamy? Because the JACK lines up at DE in certain packages? Sure, totally ignore that on 3-4 teams, the SAM lines up on the DL in certain packages too (if the NT and SAM are good enough). Yet you didn't list Lorenzo Carter I see. You weren't "trying to move the conversation" but rather trying to obfuscate about the size advantage that UGA's front 7 enjoys over TCUs. That is why you try to pass off Bellamy as DE and totally ignore the LBs because that would mean admitting that TCU is playing what amounts to a SS at OLB.
Yes, the comparison between UGA and Ohio State on defense is indeed apt! Because where UGA only gave up 20 points twice all season - and only gave up 30 points once - where Ohio State gave up 55, 38, 31, 21, 21, 21 and 20 in games this season. Now maybe the offenses in the Big 10 were much better than those in the SEC? Or ... Ohio State simply didn't have an elite defense this year. The BCS committee decided the latter, and it was a major factor in their decision to leave Ohio State at home. I presume that you disagree with them.
Sure. Name the 3-4 defenses that OU has played recently ... and provide the measurables on the guys on those defenses as well as the total defense numbers.
Getting to the second level when UGA has Atkins, Thompson and Carter in the middle? Have Evans and Brown been clearing out guys like Bellamy and Patrick? And Roquan Smith is more than capable of taking on RBs - and TEs - in pass coverage.
Hey, I have no problem admitting that UGA hasn't seen a QB like Baker Mayfield this season. The SEC QBs were garbage this year, especially when you consider that some of the better ones played for bad teams. But likewise, you guys shouldn't pretend that the defenses at TCU and Ohio State are anything like the unit that carried UGA to 12 wins this year while they were breaking in a true freshman passer.
Sucsucsuc offenses do just that, S U C... Where does tOSU rank in total defense? 8th...
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22/p1
It is a mistake to compare tcu's defense to uga's defense and here's why. OU scored 38 and 41 points on tcu's defense but they only scored 31 and 29 points on the Big 12's 2nd and 3rd best defenses. Uga has the nation 3rd best scoring defense and unlike tcu, uga beat auburn 28-7 in a rematch in the title game. Mizzou(former Big 12) scored 28 points on uga's defense but they only scored 7 points in the 2nd half which indicates that Mel Tucker does a very good job adjusting to high power offenses.
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It's a mistake to compare Oklahoma's offense to that of Missery...
In the case of OU, it's not the high-powered offense that Georgia has to worry about. It's the high-power athletes behind it. Nobody can compare this Sooner offense with any other because there aren't any like it. This is it.
OU has the most efficient offense in the history of NCAA D1 football.
How can you compare with that?
I'm not comparing offenses....just showing that uga's DC does a better job adjusting to high power offenses than tcu's DC.
I'm sure that the Sooners have a pretty good idea who they are. Are you suggesting that your offense is as talented but doesn't perform to that talent? Or that the players are there, but the offense just doesn't show it?
There has to be some difference, or the two teams would have pretty equal offensive efficiency.
That high powered Missery offense that generated a whopping 3 (THREE) points against Purdue?
Orlando Brown is a 6'8 340lbs 1st round prospect from Georgia that clears the way for Trey Sermon another Georgia guy. If we beat both Bama and UGA, Trey will have made the right choice. Evans is a sophomore that plowed through Malik Jefferson and they both practice everyday against Obo. Evans might be another 1st rounder in the coming years
I'm sure the Sooners knows who they are too, but to answer your question, I think Kirby and Jim Chaney limited * Jake Fromm this season to please 5 rbs. That's just my opinion. I believe next season we will see a different Jake Fromm if he holds off incoming freshman Justin Fields.
* Statistics - Completion - Attempts
Jacob Eason.....204......... 370
Jake Fromm......145......... 230
* Statistics - Completion - Attempts
Jacob Eason.....204......... 370
Jake Fromm......145......... 230
Look.. you can compare the size, weight of the defense to any defense and it won't matter. Your defense may be bigger and even stronger. But that won't matter much. They better be conditioned and more importantly, they best better be disciplined in the gap protection. If not, it's game over early. Riley's offense is not Huepel's offense. It's Heupel's on steriods w/ regards to playcalling. Huepel runs a hurry up offense that's often pass happy. Riley has a very deep playbook and is extremely creative play designer. In addition, across the board OU has better players by every offensive position than that of Mizzu. It starts w/ Baker's ability to read defenses, the time he's allowed to go through his progressions, and finally executing accordingly.
I've said it earlier, maybe even in this thread. UGA's only hope really is to run a successful running to keep the OU offense off the field. Because when your Dawgs are down 14 pts early or 21 pts at half time w/ the OU offense still having a full half to play, they will have to throw the ball and this will take away the strength of your offense (RBs) away. So ask yourself two questions.
That Freshman QB you guys got...
1. How accurate is he?
2. How elusive is he?
Other than typical concerns of turnovers and injuries, in reality, my only concern in this game is the ability for OU to stop Georgia's 3rd down conversions and get the offense back on the field.
I've said it earlier, maybe even in this thread. UGA's only hope really is to run a successful running to keep the OU offense off the field. Because when your Dawgs are down 14 pts early or 21 pts at half time w/ the OU offense still having a full half to play, they will have to throw the ball and this will take away the strength of your offense (RBs) away. So ask yourself two questions.
That Freshman QB you guys got...
1. How accurate is he?
2. How elusive is he?
Other than typical concerns of turnovers and injuries, in reality, my only concern in this game is the ability for OU to stop Georgia's 3rd down conversions and get the offense back on the field.
I think this would be a big mistake because I hated our offense under Josh.
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