Specualtion vs Opinion vs Inuendo/Rumor

[WhyNotaSooner]

These are three completely different things.

As posters we all speculate on many, many topics and it's what keeps this board rolling.

We speculate on W/L records
We speculate on who might start
We speculate on who might be recruited and sign w/ OU
We speculate on what type of offense /defense might be played
We speculate on home games and road games.
We speculate on the Coaches hired/fired
We speculate on Coaches leaving the program
We speculate on other programs

We form opinions based on many inputs of our past beliefs and current trends.

I openly request that our Moderators do not confuse Speculation, Opinion with Inuendo & Rumors. Each is indifferent from the other. To stifle and censor speculation & opinion is to effectively kill this board.

If I'm banned for speculating or posting my opinion then so be it. As this board, in the 10+ years I've been around has NEVER prevented us from openly posting our thoughts. If this is to start, then it's not the board of the past and not the board I wish to participate in the future.

Thank You.

This post was edited on 2/18 12:40 PM by WhyNotaSooner

 

[bcsoonerfan]

"In my opinion ___________ ."

Problem solved.

 

[Drewcristo78]

Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:
These are three completely different things.

As posters we all speculate on may, may topics and it's what keeps this board rolling.

We speculate on W/L records
We speculate on who might start
We speculate on who might be recruited and sign w/ OU
We speculate on what type of offense /defense might be played
We speculate on home games and road games.
We speculate on the Coaches hired/fired
We speculate on Coaches leaving the program
We speculate on othe programs

We form opinions based on many inputs of our past beliefs and current trends.

I openly request that our Moderators do not confuse Speculation, Opinion with Inuendo & Rumors. Each is indifferent from the other. To stifle and censor speculation & opinion is to effectively kill this board.

If I'm banned for speculating or posting my opinion then so be it. As this board, in the 10+ years I've been around has NEVER prevented us from openly posting our thoughts. If this is to start, then it's not the board of the past and not the board I wish to participate in the future.

Thank You.

I agree WNAS, but worried about the backlash you are about to receive.

 

[sooner_mike]

Wnas, first it isn't a an offence that will get a Sooner poster banned, unless the offender continues to violate after post/thread has been deleted. There is a reason this rule was put into place. It clearly states not to start rumors about players or coaches.

Here is an example of what this rule refers to.

1.In my opinion coach Stoops will retire in two years. (this is not a rumor it is an opinion)

2.coach Stoops to retire in two years a friend close to the program told me so.

3. There is infighting in the program between coaches (this example would need a link)

This rule has always been unforced by prior moderators, and I've been posting here 15 years.

You are posting as if we don't want you to be able to form an opinion, when we actually invite it.

 

[JConXtsy]

Anyone taking over/unders for the amount of replies that this thread will see?

I bet it's more than all of the football threads of the week combined.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

Originally posted by sooner_mike:
Wnas, first it isn't a an offence that will get a Sooner poster banned, unless the offender continues to violate after post/thread has been deleted. There is a reason this rule was put into place. It clearly states not to start rumors about players or coaches.

Here is an example of what this rule refers to.

1.In my opinion coach Stoops will retire in two years. (this is not a rumor it is an opinion)

2.coach Stoops to retire in two years a friend close to the program told me so.

3. There is infighting in the program between coaches (this example would need a link)

This rule has always been unforced by prior moderators, and I've been posting here 15 years.

You are posting as if we don't want you to be able to form an opinion, when we actually invite it.

I don't want to see censorship in any form unless it's a clear violation of the board rules. The 'deleted' thread was a great thread. It offered differing opinions on a provided link. It went south when insults/bombs started. Instead of delting the insults and reprimanding the poster(s) involved, certain portions of the thread were deleted / censored. Then you personally joined in on the bombing by calling other posts "stupid". Then, the thread was completely deleted. And lastly, a new thread started warning not to post rumors.

I don't care for some of the opinions on this board. I'm no different than most other posters. But I value the fact that their opinions and speculations can be posted openly without warning, threats and/or banning. What is much more important is that I really do not want to see is censorship from you or any moderation because you do not agree with a siad/posted opinion or speculation. Rumors are completely different and need to be handled. But I do question as have others, that the 'deleted' thread was deleted for the wrong reason(s), then followed up with a threatening warning to others, all the while, it contained slinging mud by a moderator.

With this, I'm out and truly hope you recognize that I'm not attacking you, but rather concerned enough to bring this up to your attention and hope that you understand where myslef and others of the board are coming from. As there is a huge difference between Speculation, Opinion, & Rumors.

Thanks for allowing me to voice my thoughts/opinion. Peace out.

 

[Brentwood Sooner]

Your banned!


JJ

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

I could give my opinion, but that might cause speculation that I was trying to start a rumor....

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Ha!

Pretty good popping slick there Lava.

 

[sooner_mike]

Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:

Originally posted by sooner_mike:
Wnas, first it isn't a an offence that will get a Sooner poster banned, unless the offender continues to violate after post/thread has been deleted. There is a reason this rule was put into place. It clearly states not to start rumors about players or coaches.

Here is an example of what this rule refers to.

1.In my opinion coach Stoops will retire in two years. (this is not a rumor it is an opinion)

2.coach Stoops to retire in two years a friend close to the program told me so.

3. There is infighting in the program between coaches (this example would need a link)

This rule has always been unforced by prior moderators, and I've been posting here 15 years.

You are posting as if we don't want you to be able to form an opinion, when we actually invite it.

I don't want to see censorship in any form unless it's a clear violation of the board rules. The 'deleted' thread was a great thread. It offered differing opinions on a provided link. It went south when insults/bombs started. Instead of delting the insults and reprimanding the poster(s) involved, certain portions of the thread were deleted / censored. Then you personally joined in on the bombing by calling other posts "stupid". Then, the thread was completely deleted. And lastly, a new thread started warning not to post rumors.

I don't care for some of the opinions on this board. I'm no different than most other posters. But I value the fact that their opinions and speculations can be posted openly without warning, threats and/or banning. What is much more important is that I really do not want to see is censorship from you or any moderation because you do not agree with a siad/posted opinion or speculation. Rumors are completely different and need to be handled. But I do question as have others, that the 'deleted' thread was deleted for the wrong reason(s), then followed up with a threatening warning to others, all the while, it contained slinging mud by a moderator.

With this, I'm out and truly hope you recognize that I'm not attacking you, but rather concerned enough to bring this up to your attention and hope that you understand where myslef and others of the board are coming from. As there is a huge difference between Speculation, Opinion, & Rumors.

Thanks for allowing me to voice my thoughts/opinion. Peace out.

Thanks for posting your thoughts, they won't fall on deaf's ears. Sometimes we (mods) also have to make tough discussions when come to reviewing a thread and post. I know I've made several mistakes and don't mind admitting it. I also feel I made a mistake calling post stupid, told Medic so, I apologise to the board for that, sometimes mods get into posting too. I will be more careful what I post. Sooner fans should have one another's back and not tossing stones at one another. I appreciate everyone of you guys. Thanks for posting.

 

[BillyRay]

Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:
These are three completely different things.

As posters we all speculate on many, many topics and it's what keeps this board rolling.

We speculate on W/L records
We speculate on who might start
We speculate on who might be recruited and sign w/ OU
We speculate on what type of offense /defense might be played
We speculate on home games and road games.
We speculate on the Coaches hired/fired
We speculate on Coaches leaving the program
We speculate on other programs

We form opinions based on many inputs of our past beliefs and current trends.

I openly request that our Moderators do not confuse Speculation, Opinion with Inuendo & Rumors. Each is indifferent from the other. To stifle and censor speculation & opinion is to effectively kill this board.

If I'm banned for speculating or posting my opinion then so be it. As this board, in the 10+ years I've been around has NEVER prevented us from openly posting our thoughts. If this is to start, then it's not the board of the past and not the board I wish to participate in the future.

Thank You.

This post was edited on 2/18 12:40 PM by WhyNotaSooner

 

[sybarite]

There was a time in the early seventies that I had a lot of knowledge about the players from being the tutor for several. I haven't had any inside information since. But, there was a period where I knew quite a number of the prospects that OU was recruiting or in contact with (as well as other schools) in the late 1990s, early 2000s. But, if you really do have inside information, you are kind of reluctant to reveal it.

If you happen to be an adviser or confidante of a prospect, I think that he has to be assured that you are acting on his behalf, not your behalf or the behalf of your alma mater. Your responsibility is to him. You may have inside information that might suggest that a school contact or not contact him. But, your responsibility is to him. If you violate that trust, you are no longer significantly honorable enough to be a confidante or counselor to the young person.

I have know young people who did end up with OU, none of whom I steered to OU or made any attempt to do so. I also remember one young person that I did like, but I didn't think he was someone on which to build a program. OU did. I made no comments for or against him or for or against OU. My first responsibility was to him. He did not end up at OU.

But, if you really do have inside information, aren't you not somewhat obligated by your position to shut up?

 

[roygbell]

This is just my opinion. I think we are focusing on the wrong issues. The problems with this board over the last few years has been all the food fights started over individual opinions posted by people. I recently read a thread by a long time poster who has the idea that all opinions are not equal. We have had people labeled as stupid, ignorant and other names thrown in their way over their "opinion".

We all have different experiences and backgrounds. Our opinions are based on what we as individuals think and believe based on experience and background. The basic principle is that every opinion should be respected and not put down by any other poster.

The problem here isn't content as much as it is the lack of civility among the posters. There are some posters here who simply can't handle an opinion that is different from theirs. And, they can't resist the temptation to attack the person who expresses the differing opinion. This is the bigger issue here. Yet, this is seemingly ignored and we are focused on these little issues that aren't all that much of a problem.

Just my opinion.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

Preach it Roy!

I've stated this many, many times. C[/B]ivility[/B] should rule this board and the only thing that needs[/B] to be moderated[/B].

 

[BillyRay]

Originally posted by roygbell:
This is just my opinion. I think we are focusing on the wrong issues. The problems with this board over the last few years has been all the food fights started over individual opinions posted by people. I recently read a thread by a long time poster who has the idea that all opinions are not equal. We have had people labeled as stupid, ignorant and other names thrown in their way over their "opinion".

We all have different experiences and backgrounds. Our opinions are based on what we as individuals think and believe based on experience and background. The basic principle is that every opinion should be respected and not put down by any other poster.

The problem here isn't content as much as it is the lack of civility among the posters. There are some posters here who simply can't handle an opinion that is different from theirs. And, they can't resist the temptation to attack the person who expresses the differing opinion. This is the bigger issue here. Yet, this is seemingly ignored and we are focused on these little issues that aren't all that much of a problem.

Just my opinion.

^^^^^ Perfect fricken post right here!!

This post was edited on 2/20 8:45 AM by BillyRay

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Originally posted by roygbell:
This is just my opinion. I think we are focusing on the wrong issues. The problems with this board over the last few years has been all the food fights started over individual opinions posted by people. I recently read a thread by a long time poster who has the idea that all opinions are not equal. We have had people labeled as stupid, ignorant and other names thrown in their way over their "opinion".

We all have different experiences and backgrounds. Our opinions are based on what we as individuals think and believe based on experience and background. The basic principle is that every opinion should be respected and not put down by any other poster.

The problem here isn't content as much as it is the lack of civility among the posters. There are some posters here who simply can't handle an opinion that is different from theirs. And, they can't resist the temptation to attack the person who expresses the differing opinion. This is the bigger issue here. Yet, this is seemingly ignored and we are focused on these little issues that aren't all that much of a problem.

Just my opinion.

I agree to an extent. Civility most definitely should be practiced, yet how can one tell through a screen? It seems that many people view an opposing view as an attack or hostile, placing an amount of emotion behind a post that may or may not be there. Yet that is just speculation on my part, because I can't see through my screen at who is calm or who is enraged at any specific topic. I can write the same thing in many different ways as well, trying to give off an impression of emotion that I might not actually have.

I respect anyone's right to express their opinion. It doesn't mean I have to respect their opinion. Those are two entirely different things. If I post an opinion that you deem idiotic, you should be able to attack that opinion for what it is, not me for being an idiot, although that might be proven over the course of the conversation.

So, if you said, "Port, you are an idiot for having that opinion," as opposed to saying, "Port, I think that opinion is idiotic because..." Until I tell you, nobody here really knows how much of an idiot I really am. And if I do tell you, how do you know I'm not lying? In the end, I don't really care either way. My skin isn't so thin that I can't handle what is said on a message board. Like one of the better posters here said, I would argue with a rock. He is correct, until the rock quits...

 

[Plainosooner]

Roy and I have gone back and forth on this for more than a few moons. The irony in that, is that his opinion is typically one of the most well considered on the board.

The problem with some opinions, is that they're destructive to the program. And when an opinion makes the implication, or direct accusation that the coaching staff has done something stupid, seems to me to contradict Roy's premise, posted here.

It seems to those who want to make folly of our coaches, that their opinion has more merit than those on the coaching staff, or even Bob Stoops himself. Now when I say this, someone from the opposite view will then typically accuse me of having my head in the sand or thinking the Bob never makes a mistake, or both. Neither is true. And they want to make their opinion more valuable.

It seems that they want to berate, or ridicule coaches. That's considered perfectly acceptable. But treating that view, in a way similar to the way that poster treated the staff is not. That is the ultimate contradiction.

The perfect example is the frequent opinion here of our linebacker coach. And now that the staff for next season seems to finally have been set, there was even speculation here of some devious or fraternal motivation by the decision makers in the program, with no basis for that opinion, other than pure conjecture. And yet those who don't like any particular coach, want feel free to make such claims as fact.

To do so is to question Bob Stoops' integrity. I'm almost certain, that Bob's integrity would match up with the accuser's integrity by any reasonable measure, and then some.

And you have WNAS claiming some kind of moral authority about board rules, while he abused them in his short time as mod more than anyone in my 16 years posting on this board. In my opinion. It reminds of the bad guy rasslers, raising their hands in innocence.

All opinions are not equal. And if you don't know the difference between cover two and man free, then maybe you don't have the understanding to blame the OC for a play failure, even if you're sure you're right. Pointing out the pure second guessing to be that, is a more worthy opinion, even if the only basis of that is to say that the coach that made the call, knows a whole lot more about it, than the beer gutted complainer. Because that is obvious. At least it's obvious to anyone whose opinion is worth having.

There is such a thing as objective truth. In my view, an opinion should only be treated courteously, when he treated the coach courteously. And if it doesn't. then the guy who has no clue, shouldn't complain about getting what he dished out. But inevitably he will anyway.

 

[CTOkie]

Lighten up, Plaino.
There is life beyond this message board.....really.

 

[JConXtsy]

Originally posted by Plainosooner:

There is such a thing as objective truth. In my view, an opinion should only be treated courteously, when he treated the coach courteously. And if it doesn't. then the guy who has no clue, shouldn't complain about getting what he dished out. But inevitably he will anyway.

I would have loved to have seen you at work on a Sooner message board back during the Blake era.
Man, to watch that hilarity would be rich.

 

[JMISASANO]

Originally posted by Plainosooner:

There is such a thing as objective truth.

Your objective truth isn't the end game here on an opinionated message board with diverse viewpoints and posting styles.

Surf the interwebs and you'll find tons of OU fans today posting in masses without worries of style points.

I've seen more threads here in the past couple of days referencing enjoyment of posting elsewhere than actual OU sports.

That's the irony of this board's dynamic today.

As far as knowledge of the game? Most here have the same ability to breakdown a game and call out a crappy coaching performance.

If find it quite odd you haven't given credit to those critical of the offense in 2014, because the last time I checked Bob Stoops FIRED the guy in charge of it.

Basically, Bob fired the arguments you made defending it imho.

Who was on the right side of history in those debates?

Answer that before you worry about posting styles imo.






This post was edited on 2/20 10:44 AM by JMISASANO

 

[barkingwater2000]

Plaino..........for the millionth time..........no opinion on this msg board is destructive to the program.

 

[Yankees03]

Lighten up, Plaino.
There is life beyond this message board.....really.



Exactly. Whether its plaino or any of the rest of us, we should never use this board to build our self esteem. If we do so, we have some major issues lol. And for what its worth, all opinions here are equal.

 

[bcsoonerfan]

No, all opinions are not equal, but all opinions should be given equal opportunity to be expressed.

All opinions being equal is the equivalent of the 'no child left behind' and 'participation trophy' crap we see in society today. Patting everybody on the head and saying they are just as special and smart as everyone else isn't doing anyone any favors.

If you want to express an opinion of criticism, then you better be mature enough to handle criticisms of your opinion.

When you are withheld your right to express your opinion for no reason, then you have a legitimate complaint.

And remember, it's not what opinion you express, but how you express it. An opinion followed up with validations to the origin of that opinion and evidence to support it rarely receives negative rebuttal.

 

[bcsoonerfan]

Originally posted by Yankees03:
Lighten up, Plaino.
There is life beyond this message board.....really.



Exactly. Whether its plaino or any of the rest of us, we should never use this board to build our self esteem. If we do so, we have some major issues lol. And for what its worth, all opinions here are equal.

Not a damn thing in Plaino's post suggest that he doesn't have a life outside of this board. In fact, you're clearly on here more than he is anymore. You have no business telling him to lighten up....really.

The second part of your post is even more BS pulled from thin air. Build self-esteem? That doesn't even make sense. You are essentially accusing him of having self-esteem issues and "major issues". That is a direct violation of board rules, Dr. Phil.

 

[barkingwater2000]

you okay bcssooner?

 

[JConXtsy]

Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:

The second part of your post is even more BS pulled from thin air. Build self-esteem? That doesn't even make sense. You are essentially accusing him of having self-esteem issues and "major issues". That is a direct violation of board rules, Dr. Phil.

Speaking of Dr Phil... Has everyone on here seen the Dr Phil episode with all of the dialogue removed? It looks like an intense staring competition.




Dr Phil Staring Contest

 

[barkingwater2000]

For the record, it was CT that told Plaino to lighten up. Yankee just agreed with it

 

[bcsoonerfan]

Originally posted by barkingwater2000:
you okay bcssooner?

I'm fine Yankee. Why do you ask?

 

[Drewcristo78]

Originally posted by JConXtsy:

Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:

The second part of your post is even more BS pulled from thin air. Build self-esteem? That doesn't even make sense. You are essentially accusing him of having self-esteem issues and "major issues". That is a direct violation of board rules, Dr. Phil.

Speaking of Dr Phil... Has everyone on here seen the Dr Phil episode with all of the dialogue removed? It looks like an intense staring competition.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:
No, all opinions are not equal, but all opinions should be given equal opportunity to be expressed.

All opinions being equal is the equivalent of the 'no child left behind' and 'participation trophy' crap we see in society today. Patting everybody on the head and saying they are just as special and smart as everyone else isn't doing anyone any favors.

If you want to express an opinion of criticism, then you better be mature enough to handle criticisms of your opinion.

When you are withheld your right to express your opinion for no reason, then you have a legitimate complaint.

And remember, it's not what opinion you express, but how you express it. An opinion followed up with validations to the origin of that opinion and evidence to support it rarely receives negative rebuttal.

No one has stated that opinions should be treated as equal. You, myself and everyone that posts on this board or any board has the absolute right to accept/deny anyone's opinion. It's how one handles themselves when one rejects someone's opinion. Some on this board believe that their opinion is greater than others, therefore they believe it's fair game to break message board rules and guidelines in effort to reject other's opinions, and this is flat out blatant wrong.

It's wrong for this community. It's wrong for the Moderators to be placed into this position of taking necessary action to prevent it. But some do this now on a regular basis with complete disregard for all us. It's disrespectful all who post here. But yet the Moderators have warned over & over & over. It's time for action for those that continue this behavior. I do not wish that anyone be banned, but I wish for an increased post count, dialogue, better environment and community even more so.

The behavior of some has strangled this board for too long. Post counts and dialogue is bad these days and when a good thread comes along, one can almost feel it to be derailed with bombs and grenades just to prevent it from going forward.

It's damn shame too.

 

[bcsoonerfan]

Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:

Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:
No, all opinions are not equal, but all opinions should be given equal opportunity to be expressed.

All opinions being equal is the equivalent of the 'no child left behind' and 'participation trophy' crap we see in society today. Patting everybody on the head and saying they are just as special and smart as everyone else isn't doing anyone any favors.

If you want to express an opinion of criticism, then you better be mature enough to handle criticisms of your opinion.

When you are withheld your right to express your opinion for no reason, then you have a legitimate complaint.

And remember, it's not what opinion you express, but how you express it. An opinion followed up with validations to the origin of that opinion and evidence to support it rarely receives negative rebuttal.

No one has stated that opinions should be treated as equal. You, myself and everyone that posts on this board or any board has the absolute right to accept/deny anyone's opinion. It's how one handles themselves when one rejects someone's opinion. Some on this board believe that their opinion is greater than others, therefore they believe it's fair game to break message board rules and guidelines in effort to reject other's opinions, and this is flat out blatant wrong.

It's wrong for this community. It's wrong for the Moderators to be placed into this position of taking necessary action to prevent it. But some do this now on a regular basis with complete disregard for all us. It's disrespectful all who post here. But yet the Moderators have warned over & over & over. It's time for action for those that continue this behavior. I do not wish that anyone be banned, but I wish for an increased post count, dialogue, better environment and community even more so.

The behavior of some has strangled this board for too long. Post counts and dialogue is bad these days and when a good thread comes along, one can almost feel it to be derailed with bombs and grenades just to prevent it from going forward.

It's damn shame too.

Posted above, "All opinions on here are equal", suggests to me that there are posters on here who feel their opinion should be treated with equal merit along with others whose opinions are taking the time to support their opinion.

I don't think we're disagreeing here WNAS, but maybe just looking at the same thing from different sides. I see some post their opinions, and when someone such as myself or Plaino disagree with that opinion, the original poster takes it as a slight against their right to share the opinion.

I made it quite clear: Everybody has the right to share their opinion. And they need to be able to accept that other's will, most likely, disagree with that opinion. Someone disagreeing with an opinion is not the same as stating that person does not have the right to share their opinion at all.

 

[veritas59]

Originally posted by roygbell:
This is just my opinion. I think we are focusing on the wrong issues. The problems with this board over the last few years has been all the food fights started over individual opinions posted by people. I recently read a thread by a long time poster who has the idea that all opinions are not equal. We have had people labeled as stupid, ignorant and other names thrown in their way over their "opinion".

We all have different experiences and backgrounds. Our opinions are based on what we as individuals think and believe based on experience and background. The basic principle is that every opinion should be respected and not put down by any other poster.

The problem here isn't content as much as it is the lack of civility among the posters. There are some posters here who simply can't handle an opinion that is different from theirs. And, they can't resist the temptation to attack the person who expresses the differing opinion. This is the bigger issue here. Yet, this is seemingly ignored and we are focused on these little issues that aren't all that much of a problem.

Just my opinion.

Perfectly said. Well done.

 

[Yankees03]

What a shock, bcssooner got his panties in a twist AGAIN lol. Dude you are too sensitive and it shows ALL the time. I simply agreed with CTokie and my logic applies for ANYONE not just plaino. Please quit taking this board so serious.

This post was edited on 2/20 1:47 PM by Yankees03

 

[bcsoonerfan]

Originally posted by Yankees03:
What a shock, bcssooner got his panties in a twist AGAIN lol. Dude you are too sensitive and it shows ALL the time. I simply agreed with CTokie and my logic applies for ANYONE not just plaino. Please quit taking this board so serious.

This post was edited on 2/20 1:47 PM by Yankees03

I genuinely could have typed out that response for you. You are so predictable it's embarrassing.

Please head back over to Orange Bloods so they can slap you around some more as I'm not gonna waste my time.

 

[Yankees03]

Poor bcssooner, everyone is always picking on him. Just stop dude, its embarrassing. Put me on ignore if you cant help from going after me, i dont know what to tell you. Have a good day

 

[bcsoonerfan]

Originally posted by Yankees03:
Poor bcssooner, everyone is always picking on him. Just stop dude, its embarrassing. Put me on ignore if you cant help from going after me, i dont know what to tell you. Have a good day

Did you copy and paste that from a previous reply? All you had to do was replace my handle with a plethora of others.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:

Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:

Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:
No, all opinions are not equal, but all opinions should be given equal opportunity to be expressed.

All opinions being equal is the equivalent of the 'no child left behind' and 'participation trophy' crap we see in society today. Patting everybody on the head and saying they are just as special and smart as everyone else isn't doing anyone any favors.

If you want to express an opinion of criticism, then you better be mature enough to handle criticisms of your opinion.

When you are withheld your right to express your opinion for no reason, then you have a legitimate complaint.

And remember, it's not what opinion you express, but how you express it. An opinion followed up with validations to the origin of that opinion and evidence to support it rarely receives negative rebuttal.

No one has stated that opinions should be treated as equal. You, myself and everyone that posts on this board or any board has the absolute right to accept/deny anyone's opinion. It's how one handles themselves when one rejects someone's opinion. Some on this board believe that their opinion is greater than others, therefore they believe it's fair game to break message board rules and guidelines in effort to reject other's opinions, and this is flat out blatant wrong.

It's wrong for this community. It's wrong for the Moderators to be placed into this position of taking necessary action to prevent it. But some do this now on a regular basis with complete disregard for all us. It's disrespectful all who post here. But yet the Moderators have warned over & over & over. It's time for action for those that continue this behavior. I do not wish that anyone be banned, but I wish for an increased post count, dialogue, better environment and community even more so.

The behavior of some has strangled this board for too long. Post counts and dialogue is bad these days and when a good thread comes along, one can almost feel it to be derailed with bombs and grenades just to prevent it from going forward.

It's damn shame too.

Posted above, "All opinions on here are equal", suggests to me that there are posters on here who feel their opinion should be treated with equal merit along with others whose opinions are taking the time to support their opinion.

I don't think we're disagreeing here WNAS, but maybe just looking at the same thing from different sides. I see some post their opinions, and when someone such as myself or Plaino disagree with that opinion, the original poster takes it as a slight against their right to share the opinion.

I made it quite clear: Everybody has the right to share their opinion. And they need to be able to accept that other's will, most likely, disagree with that opinion. Someone disagreeing with an opinion is not the same as stating that person does not have the right to share their opinion at all.

BC, as I said, It's how one handles their response to an opnion. Something that some completely miss on. It comes to past that in most cases when someone posts an opinion, some posters simply can't handle it. They simply do not want the opinion to even be posted on this board, so... they go about actively generating disagreements with no civility implied by dropping insults etc at the poster that posted his/her opinion. They do this believing that they have every right to do so in an effort to publicly denounce and incremenate the said poster. Instead of retorting to the opinion with a thought process of discovery, they by design sabotage the thread. This is a clear violation of rules and guidelines and it needs to stop. Like yesterday. It's rude, disrespectful and it's designed to suffocate the growth of this board and to effectively censor other's opinions. This behavoir will not disipate until action is taken by the Moderators.

I'm on two other message boards. Neither has to do with OU Sports. In fact neither has to do with any sport. But they are solid boards. Packed with great information, thoughts and opinions. What one does not see divisions and fractures within the board community. The moderators of these boards do not allow it to occur. Posts are simply removed daily, hourly in fact. I have no idea if certain individuals lose their posting privileges for rude behavior, I just know that it's not allowed in any shape or form. As a result, many are open to post because they feel comfortable and without pretenses.

 

[bcsoonerfan]

Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:

Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:

Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:

Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:
No, all opinions are not equal, but all opinions should be given equal opportunity to be expressed.

All opinions being equal is the equivalent of the 'no child left behind' and 'participation trophy' crap we see in society today. Patting everybody on the head and saying they are just as special and smart as everyone else isn't doing anyone any favors.

If you want to express an opinion of criticism, then you better be mature enough to handle criticisms of your opinion.

When you are withheld your right to express your opinion for no reason, then you have a legitimate complaint.

And remember, it's not what opinion you express, but how you express it. An opinion followed up with validations to the origin of that opinion and evidence to support it rarely receives negative rebuttal.

No one has stated that opinions should be treated as equal. You, myself and everyone that posts on this board or any board has the absolute right to accept/deny anyone's opinion. It's how one handles themselves when one rejects someone's opinion. Some on this board believe that their opinion is greater than others, therefore they believe it's fair game to break message board rules and guidelines in effort to reject other's opinions, and this is flat out blatant wrong.

It's wrong for this community. It's wrong for the Moderators to be placed into this position of taking necessary action to prevent it. But some do this now on a regular basis with complete disregard for all us. It's disrespectful all who post here. But yet the Moderators have warned over & over & over. It's time for action for those that continue this behavior. I do not wish that anyone be banned, but I wish for an increased post count, dialogue, better environment and community even more so.

The behavior of some has strangled this board for too long. Post counts and dialogue is bad these days and when a good thread comes along, one can almost feel it to be derailed with bombs and grenades just to prevent it from going forward.

It's damn shame too.

Posted above, "All opinions on here are equal", suggests to me that there are posters on here who feel their opinion should be treated with equal merit along with others whose opinions are taking the time to support their opinion.

I don't think we're disagreeing here WNAS, but maybe just looking at the same thing from different sides. I see some post their opinions, and when someone such as myself or Plaino disagree with that opinion, the original poster takes it as a slight against their right to share the opinion.

I made it quite clear: Everybody has the right to share their opinion. And they need to be able to accept that other's will, most likely, disagree with that opinion. Someone disagreeing with an opinion is not the same as stating that person does not have the right to share their opinion at all.

BC, as I said, It's how one handles their response to an opnion. Something that some completely miss on. It comes to past that in most cases when someone posts an opinion, some posters simply can't handle it. They simply do not want the opinion to even be posted on this board, so... they go about actively generating disagreements with no civility implied by dropping insults etc at the poster that posted his/her opinion. They do this believing that they have every right to do so in an effort to publicly denounce and incremenate the said poster. Instead of retorting to the opinion with a thought process of discovery, they by design sabotage the thread. This is a clear violation of rules and guidelines and it needs to stop. Like yesterday. It's rude, disrespectful and it's designed to suffocate the growth of this board and to effectively censor other's opinions. This behavoir will not disipate until action is taken by the Moderators.

I'm on two other message boards. Neither has to do with OU Sports. In fact neither has to do with any sport. But they are solid boards. Packed with great information, thoughts and opinions. What one does not see divisions and fractures within the board community. The moderators of these boards do not allow it to occur. Posts are simply removed daily, hourly in fact. I have no idea if certain individuals lose their posting privileges for rude behavior, I just know that it's not allowed in any shape or form. As a result, many are open to post because they feel comfortable and without pretenses.

I agree with that, but it's not just one side, or one poster, or one side of a group of posters. It's a collection of posters. I'm guilty of it. You're guilty of it. Plaino is guilty of it. Yankee is guilty of it. SoonerTulsan was guilty of it. K2C's done it. In fact it would be easier if I named the posters off who are not guilty of having ever engaged in the pissing matches that have plagued this board for the last 3 or 4 years.

Quite frankly I'm tired of hearing posters who have actively participated in the bullshit talking about what it would take to stop the bullshit. It really doesn't bother me honestly. I enjoy arguing and debating with the posters I don't agree with or flat out don't like. You and Tulsan burned down many a thread with your pissing matches that would go on forever, so feel free not to think you haven't or aren't part of the problem. If some of you were as noble and mature as you claim, you would just shut the hell up and and move along, but don't cry about the problem while being part of the problem.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:
No, all opinions are not equal, but all opinions should be given equal opportunity to be expressed.

All opinions being equal is the equivalent of the 'no child left behind' and 'participation trophy' crap we see in society today. Patting everybody on the head and saying they are just as special and smart as everyone else isn't doing anyone any favors.

If you want to express an opinion of criticism, then you better be mature enough to handle criticisms of your opinion.

When you are withheld your right to express your opinion for no reason, then you have a legitimate complaint.

And remember, it's not what opinion you express, but how you express it. An opinion followed up with validations to the origin of that opinion and evidence to support it rarely receives negative rebuttal.

Yet how do you know how one behind a screen is expressing their opinion? What if I can't find the right emoticon or forget to use one? Then there is the issue of literacy, or the lack thereof. Some are more literate than others. Some express things that leave me going, "What the hell does that mean?" because I have no idea what they are trying to say, while others are just too far above my head to understand.

Opinions are like that part of the anatomy that hopefully people wipe after being done with their business, everybody has one. Some seem to use their's more often, while others are more than likely full of crap, from the lack of using it properly or frequently enough. Of course, that is just speculation on my part, because I definitely don't go around checking, and, no, I'm not going to start.

Now whether my opinion that too many are big babies about this is speculation on my part, I really don't know or care, because the fact of the matter is that it was rumored to me some time ago...

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

Originally posted by Yankees03:
What a shock, bcssooner got his panties in a twist AGAIN lol. Dude you are too sensitive and it shows ALL the time. I simply agreed with CTokie and my logic applies for ANYONE not just plaino. Please quit taking this board so serious.

This post was edited on 2/20 1:47 PM by Yankees03

This is a prime example of placing one's personal fued over the thread, board and the community I speak about. There is nothing stated in this post that has carries any tip of thought process to the OP. What this post will do if allowed, is to continue BS banter of two posters for no reason than to re-direct the thread. I'm pretty positive by the time I finish typing this, a response will have been made, and then another response to that response, and yet back again.

For every action there is an equal re-action. The only thng that will prevent this type of posting is a re-action from board moderators.

Peace out.