Skip Bayless
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And I don't disagree with alot of the points that Skip makes in that video either. But I also think Joel Klatt made some great points as well in why you do NOT get rid of Bob Stoops at this point. Most of what Skip is talking about happened in the years prior to Bob overhauling his assistants that surround him. No doubt what we saw on Saturday looked like the "same ole, same ole" with what we have seen from Bob over the years. But also I love the point Klatt makes in after the loss to Texas last year, Bob get things on the right track and won out to make the playoff. The same can happen this year. The changes Bob has made to his staff the last few years led to a great season last year, and the same can happen this year. But I do agree that what we saw on Saturday does chip away at the confidence a bit. Not sure how Bob could stand there and let his offense fail like it did. Klatt is right on the money in that video in his questioning Riley's gameplan. But let's see how the season plays out, and then debate on the season as a whole instead of basing it on just one game.
You have to be joking. You really believe some hot shot assistant coach could even touch what Bob Stoops has going for this program? He's recruiting California, Texas, Florida and east and west, and all the connections he's built up. Do you really think some asst could walk in and match that?
And one thing on Tom Herman. He's playing with mostly Kelvin Sumlin players and Sumlin players were mostly Briles player recruits. Herman has most of the team from Houston. Maybe the hottest recruiting bed in Texas. I'll give him Ed Oliver, DT, as he's best recruit.
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I agree. We will have to wait and see how things go...should should have a pretty good idea after Ohio State though.
Does this mean that Stoops won with Blakes players? Do I think an assistant could come in and do as well if not better than Stoops? Yes, I think the right person could.
Skip can say whatever he wants just as the local sportswriter here that bashes OU every chance he gets does. I used to let it bother me but not so much anymore. Just as I TRY not to complain when OU loses a game, not a thing I can do to change any of the things I mentioned. I have been a poster here for the better part of 13 yrs and have never called for Bob to be fired and won't, not my call to make but I do want things to get better as any fan would that loves their team. Anyway let em say what they will, if it bothers you then maybe there is some truth to it that some do not want to hear. Just my 2 cents.
Okay. Let's see. Lincoln Riley was the offense assistant coach of the year and Brent Venebles won it on defense. Brent was crucified on this board and Lincoln hasn't been the most popular guy this week. Name some names...
In Spanish, there is a saying that translates to something like, "The devil loves his son so much that he clawed out his eyes."
So I take it you also felt this way when Bob Stoops was hired??
Different situation. We couldn't go down back then.
We might be perpetual jokes once or twice a year, but we still have a long way to go down.
LOL, exactly!!! People shouldn't bash on Herman for winning with Sumlin's players, when Bob's lone natty was on the shoulders of a mostly John Blake recruited team. It's one of those things better left unsaid....
Makes no difference in what the level of the program was at the time. It has to do with expectations for a program with the history of OU. I remember plenty of people were NOT thrilled when Bob was hired since he wasn't that "big name" guy that could come in and win immediately. Well....we all saw how that worked out. Lol
Of course not. We had Blake. We have Stoops today. Why can't you guy's name a assistant coach that could replace Bob. Strange I haven't got any answers.......
That may be true but we are customers of that multi million dollar operation. If they can call me and ask for money then I should be able to complain a little about what I am buying. Just like any customer that buys an inferior product it is their right to complain. I am not arguing with anyone just trying to make a point.
LOL, exactly!!! People shouldn't bash on Herman for winning with Sumlin's players, when Bob's lone natty was on the shoulders of a mostly John Blake recruited team. It's one of those things better left unsaid....
I guess some of you forget how many players Stoops moved to different positions. Some of you forget many of the players would have signed with OU if Hillary would have been the coach and of course, let's forget about Josh Heupel and Derrick Strait.
I think it's because we are in Oklahoma and just don't have a great number of high school players that are worth a damn. I'm fairly certain that's the problem because OU just can't get enough good players from other states like Texas. I'm pretty sure that's it.
Like you called out BillyRay and me as the flavor of the month guys. Lol. Just joking with you. No big deal, K2C. That didn't bother either of us. You can use that on me whenever as long as you know it's not true. Boomer!
Ya Stoops brought in some key players and moved player around. But the core foundation of that national title team were recruiting by Blake. Maybe you forgot about that? Heck, Roy Williams was recruited out of California loooong before any "cali trio" or "california pipeline" was established by Stoops years later.
It's not up to us to predict what assistant coaches will become great coaches in the years and decades to come. But to think that great coaches ends with the current generation is pretty ridiculous.
I replied to direct posts that you and Billy made. I didn't bring up another poster. Did I. Against the rules................
And BW was talking about another poster who has directly participated in this thread. Good grief get over it dude.
So what, the Herman team was recruited by Sumlin. Sumlin succeeded with Briles recruits. Just a fact, except for Ed Oliver, one great player..
Does anyone find it strange that NOT ONE poster can name an assistant coach that would be better than Bob Stoops? All of them have some generic name from some program we haven't heard them say.....
I like it when I'm referred as a dude. The Big Lebowski is a favorite of mine. Actually I may change my handle to The Dude.
No body would have a clue. Just as who would have known if Bob would have been better than say Bobby Bowden instead of Jimbo Fisher, but I think he would have. Any coordinator is a risk. If Bob were to retire, I have a few guys I would want OU to consider that I believe would come, but there's no reason to talk about that because Bob isn't about to retire anytime soon. If he does, I will be surprised.
You do think that replacing Boo Blake is a little different task than replacing Bob Stoops. Right? I mean that there is even a discussion about replacing Stoops who is 11-3 in his last 14 games, is close to absurd. And I know you're defending the "decision" to keep him, but having this discussion is more than a little strange.
I remember three years ago, when Gary Patterson was licking his wounds after seasons of 4-8 and 7-6 his first two years in the XII. The 7-6 included five conference losses, including two touchdowns at home to Iowa State. Since then, he's split one conference title, lost a three touchdown lead in Waco that cost him an outright and spot in the final four, and last year got waxed in Stillwater. Yet I see him ranked ahead of Stoops by those who rank college coaches. And nobody would consider a TCU fan sane, if they were calling for Patterson's head. BTW, Bob is 4-2 against him all time.
Talking about BStoops not being OUr coach after a season opening loss is pretty close to nonsense. He owes us 14-0. Well not really.
No actually what I find strange is you want people here to keep a running list of the "hot names" in the coaching community as if we are university presidents or athletic directors who may need to make a head coaching hire someday.
Look, I could spend a ton of time researching who are some hot commodity names in coaching circles, come up with 10 names and post them here. You would find ways to belittle every name that gets mentioned. And then some years from now some of them could turn out to be some of the best coaches in the country. But at present day, of course none are going to have the career credentials that Bob Stoops has right now. So it's a waste of time to even put the effort into finding you names.
Nobody is talking about Stoops not being our coach after 1 opening loss and you know it. Its because of a pattern that has developed over the Stoops tenure. Teams not showing up, terrible game plans, being unmotivated, and just flat out being embarrassed on the national stage time after time. I personally would not be devastated if a change was made soon. Oklahoma football will continue.......we were a football powerhouse long before Stoops and we will continue to be without him.
Well the reason this thread has gone the direction of talking about Bob's replacement, is it started with Skip's comments, and has simply gone down that road. That doesn't mean I want Bob replaced today. But I'm also comfortable with the discussion, as it's inevitable that Bob WILL in fact hang it up someday and OU will be looking for a new coach. There is no way in telling how many years from now that will take place, but I don't see the harm in simply discussing the process. But some seem to think there are no coaching prospects out there that will ever be able to take over for Bob and attain the level he has. I think otherwise.
Case in point, look where Nick Saban was when Bob was hired at OU. He was finishing up a very lackluster 6-6 season at Michigan State and I'm quite certain virtually no one would have guessed he would turn into the success he is today.
And of course Urban Meyer was a wide receivers coach at Notre Dame when Bob was busy winning a national title in 2000. But here we are 15+ years later and Urban has now won titles at 2 different programs since then.
So to think there are NOT examples like these waiting in the wings of coaching circles is absurd. Just because posters on here can't predict the future and name those coaches is irreverent.
OKAY. I guess I'm going to have to get back on the premium board to see who these posters are that are wanting Bob's job because I've seen nothing like that here on the free board. You keep talking about crap that hasn't happened here. Why?
That's not true. Again, check out the premium board. And the stuff about whether or not we should keep him long term, because he can't get us another NC, in the opinion of some, is out there on both boards.
At present, I don't think Bob will ever get #8 for OU football. But the seasons going forward, Bob could get OU football get back to a level that makes change my mind again. Last season when OU ran the table after the Texas game to get into the playoff, I was pretty dang close to thinking OU was at that level again and Bob could maybe be on the cusp of another run. But then Clemson just completely dominated OU for the 2nd straight season. That was a HUGE wakeup call that while OU is a top dog in the Big XII, it is no doubt behind the curve when it comes to elite programs in other conferences. There is no doubt a considerable gap. Then of course Saturday happens and OU gets throttled by an up and coming Houston team, and really much of that confidence built last season has sort of come back down to reality.
But the season isn't over. Bob's teams historically get considerably better as the season progresses. So Bob could make some tweaks and run the table the rest of the season. And hopefully, the Houston debacle will be a distant memory.
You said some were wanting to replace Bob due to one opening season loss. Not true Plaino for reasons I've already explained.
I'm not a premium board member, but I've not seen anyone on here call for him to be fired.
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