OU vs Texas
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This is an OU team with perhaps its lowest talent level in ten years.... and that's Venables' fault?
Yes, it is this team hasnt looked ready to play in 3 weeks. given up 3 long drives for Touchdowns, not taken the points when you had them. Yes thats on the HC
Texas, like TCU, didn't lose 46 players from last year to this. No matter how optimistic you want to be, when you throw a new coaching staff on top of that, you'd be delusional to not think it'd be a devastating blow to your program--no matter who you are.
When your DL can't generate any pressure, you'll get shredded and that's what's happened the past three weeks.
I’d like to side with this theory b/c I like Brent, but the way Kansas has come out this year with a first year coach makes this a mute point. Kansas had absolutely no talent & has lost consistently for the past 15-20 years!
The talent level started dropping off during Bobs last few yrs, Riley continued that trend especially on the Defensive side of the ball. See the talent gap in the blowout losses in the Playoffs to Bama and LSU.
One main reason I think Riley bolted to the Condoms.
One main reason I think Riley bolted to the Condoms.
CT lets not make excuses for BV. I can understand losing some this year, but we shouldn't be losing to kstate, TCU, and Texas all in lopsided fashion. Venebles has to take some of the blame for that.
This is year 2 for Leipold at KU and although they dont have the overall talent other teams have they do have some talented players.
Leipold has won just about everywhere he has coached at and he certainly gets the best out of the players he has been dealt with.
What does this say about BV? Not sure really but I think the issues OU is having may go deeper than any of us know.
Yeah, way for "David Allen" who never posts to launch that criticism from the peanut gallery....v thanks, David Allen.Bringing that low energy over here too I see. 🤣
C'mon, CT. 49-0. 49-0. 49-0. Keep repeating that and convincing yourself it has to do with talent.
I agree and I doubt if Venables was prepared to deal with what it is going to take to rebuild OU when he was hired. Was there another coach available who could have had OU playing better? That no one can answer.
Good post, 67 and 100% true.
Venables knew he had to recruit well from the start, and he has done that.
But the talent he inherited (from a team that stagnated throughout 2021), especially on defense, simply isn't up to OU standards as you mentioned above. Combine that with the fact that Gabriel was over-sold, then injured, and the fact that teams in the conference are more competitive than ever before... and that Texas is emerging as its vintage self.... and you have a "perfect storm" in the making. All these factors are at OU's expense.
What's important for OU now is to start Evers at QB and learn from the Texas massacre and build for the future, while maintaining the commitment list of recruits.
This loss was beyond being just a "bump in the road". It represents a major wake up call for OU as it approaches SEC membership. Only time will tell how Venables guides this team through its current meltdown. The "Sooner" the better.
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Below is an article from CBSsports. One cant argue with what is said really. Well I am sure someone would though.
www.cbssports.com
Brent Venables honeymoon period ends with Oklahoma seeking answers after blowout loss in Red River Showdown
The Sooners were blanked by Texas for the first time since 1965 in the crushing defeat on Saturday in the Cotton Bowl
www.cbssports.com
From cbs sports also below
Oklahoma fans probably wish they could pull the cartridge that is their 2022 season out and blow on it, or at least reboot the system and start again from the main menu. After a 2-0 start the Sooners have now lost three straight, all in Big 12 play. Venables now has the unfortunate honor of being the first Oklahoma coach to start 0-3 in conference play in his debut season, and these historic struggles were only emphasized by the lack of competitiveness displayed on Saturday in one of college football's biggest rivalry games.
Oklahoma fans probably wish they could pull the cartridge that is their 2022 season out and blow on it, or at least reboot the system and start again from the main menu. After a 2-0 start the Sooners have now lost three straight, all in Big 12 play. Venables now has the unfortunate honor of being the first Oklahoma coach to start 0-3 in conference play in his debut season, and these historic struggles were only emphasized by the lack of competitiveness displayed on Saturday in one of college football's biggest rivalry games.
I am pretty sure right now the name Heupel is popping up in many peoples heads. He is doing quite well at Tennesse right now. With that being said I believe in BV but for a defensive guru even with what OU has is not a good look on him. You would think he would at least be a little better than this.
The QB situation isn’t good either.
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Heupel is firmly entrenched in Tennessee, and he never was interested in the OU job.
As for Venables, I doubt if things would have been much different (better) had OU hired someone else.
Yeah, my good buddy from Tennessee texted me last night “Thanks for firing Josh Heupel”. He’s been waiting to get me ever since our two Tennessee victories a few years back. I had no comeback.
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Texas has had very good recruiting classes in the last few years. They are far more talented than OU this year.
I remember when Heupel was recruited by OU, all he wanted initially was to see the OU playbook first before he came to Norman. He liked what he read.
He won games with his brain more than with his arm or running ability. He simply took what the defense was giving him. And that was at a time when OU played defense.
As for 2022:
I think OU needs to go with either Evers or Booty now, for better or worse.
To think that a year ago, OU had two highly touted quarterbacks and two years ago the QB corps had Rattler, Chandler Morris and Tanner Mordecai....and now are essentially devoid of QB depth.
Gabriel's presence.... or even Caleb Williams .... would not have been enough to beat Texas yesterday with the defense in shambles. But the loss as I see it was a total team meltdown from the coaches to every player on the roster.
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Philosophically I can blame the losses on a substandard talent level by OU standards. What I absolutely cannot understand is being completely non-competitive. TCU and Texas could've scored 80 had they wanted to. We're only rushing three and still can't cover anyones receivers. I've never seen so many opponents wideouts and backs running in open space in my life. Losses happen but repeatedly not showing up and being unprepared to play is beyond inexcusable.
Agree. This team just isn't competitive for whatever reasons there may be.
I think the meltdown will linger.
I’m thinking Brent wasn’t expecting the talent level to be what it apparently is when he took over.
I just keep thinking about all the positives regarding the program prior to the start of the season. The team chemistry appeared to be one of a kind and even the relationship among coaches was like a family. Not to mention the leadership of many of the upperclassmen.
Additionally, the work ethic instilled by Schmitty & Coach V was something we desperately missed for the past 5 years at least. It’s analogous to the hardest worker in the classroom continuing to fail no matter how hard they study. Something just doesn’t add up.
The unity and talk about overcoming adversity appears to be nothing more than political coach-speak. Fans argue regarding unrealistic expectations that we have as fans, but the reports we got from those around the team and the overall enthusiasm for the team that the coaches & OU staff helped create is what has me scratching my head. We were lead to believe there was something special coming together. No matter how I try, I can’t wrap my head around it. The sum of all the parts do not add up to the product we are seeing on the field.
Additionally, the work ethic instilled by Schmitty & Coach V was something we desperately missed for the past 5 years at least. It’s analogous to the hardest worker in the classroom continuing to fail no matter how hard they study. Something just doesn’t add up.
The unity and talk about overcoming adversity appears to be nothing more than political coach-speak. Fans argue regarding unrealistic expectations that we have as fans, but the reports we got from those around the team and the overall enthusiasm for the team that the coaches & OU staff helped create is what has me scratching my head. We were lead to believe there was something special coming together. No matter how I try, I can’t wrap my head around it. The sum of all the parts do not add up to the product we are seeing on the field.
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Go out at get Matt Rhule to become an analyst or special asst to someone. One thing we do know he did a great job of turning around Baylor.
You are a very bad evaluator of talent. Worst I've ever heard of, if you really believe that.
I'm tempted to not be respectful since you want to be hyperbolic. But I just don't really give a shit so, yes, we have plenty of 4* star guys and playmakers. We're not a 49-0 beating worse regards to talent. Ewers seems to be legit and that's the one area where they had the distinct advantage. Robinson is a super star talent but Oklahoma has four 4* backs.
This, @Plainosooner is what I've taken exception with. "Worst I've ever heard of", specifically. You couldn't just disagree, you had to be a hyperbolic prick to somebody has given you excessive respect and admiration.
And considering I'm right, that makes it even harder to digest.
