OU announces Montgomery to NFL!!!
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You serious Clark?
It's a blow as Montgomery is a rising star, but it's no reason to throw in the towel on a whole season.
Troll! He is on the record saying Bob is the best boss he ever had. Go enjoy your Baylor win! I'm sorry your message board is a graveyard.
So wait, less than a week after signing day? I hope he told all the recruits before they signed their LOI's.
stoops knew, he had to of. Nobody ever has a coach lie and then leave. I bet the recruits wish they could leave...bahhahahaha...karma boys...glass houses..
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Bob Stoops just promoted Montgomery to co-def coordinator last month, called him a "rising star" on his staff. Now that star is gone.
Soonersincefitty
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Sadly, this is how these things turn out. Some OU fans on here decided to get on a soapbox and having a grand ole time bashing on Strong and UT about their DL coach leaving shortly after NSD. Well...here we are less than a week after NSD and the OU coaching staff has just taken a very similar blow. I'm sure many of my fellow OU fans will scramble around and find excuses for the OU situation, but not me. It is what it is. I don't live in a glass house like some on here.
We now may hear of recruits saying they were somehow betrayed by Montgomery's sudden departure, as if a man is not supposed to try to better himself when opportunity knocks.....and there will be no mention about how recruits waver back and forth or mislead (de-commit from) schools that are recruiting them.
Medic007
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Not surprising you boys can't keep up. Burnt orange and cow poop does that to you. If OU recruits take to Twitter to express that they were lied to, you have a story. Otherwise, you don't. See that? Apples (OU) and orange jumpsuits (UT).
Besides, you gents already believe Stoops has no values, so you won't be able to feign the shock us OU fans legitimately had when Coach Values broke his number one.
Medic007
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Rumor has it a CT scan confirmed that you have a full size colon located within your skull that attaches to the back of your throat and empties into your mouth. Or maybe it was that the CT only showed fecal material in your skull. Which one I don't know. Certainly possible it was both.
Originally posted by Medic007:
Not surprising you boys can't keep up. Burnt orange and cow poop does that to you. If OU recruits take to Twitter to express that they were lied to, you have a story. Otherwise, you don't. See that? Apples (OU) and orange jumpsuits (UT).
Besides, you gents already believe Stoops has no values, so you won't be able to feign the shock us OU fans legitimately had when Coach Values broke his number one.
Medic007
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Nope. Nobody bashed Strong and UT because their DL coach left. What really happened was OU fans discussing UT recruits expressing on social media that they were lied to by their Core Values coach and then bashing Coach Values for breaking his own values.
I know it's subtle (not really), but still slightly (VERY) different than what you typed.
Pound rocks Billy.
While for the lazy, on the surface it looks similar, but if you dig a bit deeper, they are different. One Coach is moving up in the coaching ranks and came to OU with the minde set to do so. The other, his 3rd lateral move to leave UT. Two, a UT recruit took it very personal, the OU recruits haven't, most likely won't either. Third, the UT hauled ass the day after NSD, not a week later.
Having said this, this is a major hit for OU. Big time. With Mike Stoops & Kish still around, I don't like how this plays out. Bob got rid of two problem Coaches on offense and he has more cleaing up to do, but it won't happen. Bob is going to go down with the ship. It aint going to be pretty. Another 5 loss season and he's going to feel the heat.
This post was edited on 2/10 5:18 PM by WhyNotaSooner
yea, it doesn't work like that. You do not just get a call and then you take the job in 1 hour. I would bet there have been rumors about him wanting to go to the NFL. Your players are just more restrained than ours. If it happened 1 hour or 5 days after signing day ( TODAY)Originally posted by Medic007:
Not surprising you boys can't keep up. Burnt orange and cow poop does that to you. If OU recruits take to Twitter to express that they were lied to, you have a story. Otherwise, you don't. See that? Apples (OU) and orange jumpsuits (UT).
Besides, you gents already believe Stoops has no values, so you won't be able to feign the shock us OU fans legitimately had when Coach Values broke his number one.
Madcow
Mad...I will take the high road with him. He could have been interviewing for other positions (most professional career people do). I can't imagine that Bob didn't know that an NFL team(s) was/were talking to him. Now when an actual job was offered to him?....again I will take the high road and say it was today.
Mad...I will take the high road with him. He could have been interviewing for other positions (most professional career people do). I can't imagine that Bob didn't know that an NFL team(s) was/were talking to him. Now when an actual job was offered to him?....again I will take the high road and say it was today.
Did Bob see this coming? Did he promote Montgomery in hopes of keeping him in Norman? This seems to have come out of nowhere
Justify it however you want Medic. I'm not blind. I know you are going to defend your position since you were so entrenched in the other thread. Some on here want to steer the UT story to shape their wishes, and will now steer the OU story to their wishes in defending Bob.
Monty was such a dominating force in putting this recruiting class together, it's asinine to think this class would have shaped up the way it did had the recruits known he was going to jump ship less than a week after NSD. It makes zero difference if a recruit cries about it on social media or not. That is completely irrelevant. Just because a UT recruit did it, doesnt' mean OU recruits are held to the same standard to get on social media and air out their personal drama about coaches.
So now....Stoops fired coaches shortly after NSD a few years ago, and now the DL coach leaves OU less than a week after NSD. Ya...I bet the recruits those coaches brought to OU were elated to see their recruiters leave or get fired. But hey....as long as it's not posted on twitter it must not be reality.....
So at best, Bob is on the same level as Strong. So you can't bash on one without taking down the other. Unless you don't think Bob has any values?
I don't have to pound rocks. I'm not one of the posters who took a stance in the other thread, then to have today's news come back and bite them in the rear. I think both situations are sad in that kids got recruited to play for a coach, and now both coaches are no longer in their respective programs. It sucks for both schools, or more important the kids who are affected, regardless of what school you are a fan for. But I'm not going to make fun of one fanbase when it happens to them, then acting as if it's totally different when it happens to the school I'm a fan of. It is what it is.
This post was edited on 2/10 5:28 PM by BillyRay
Apples and oranges just became two apples
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Aaaannndddd my favorite coach from Oklahoma leaves..
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Aaaannndddd my favorite coach from Oklahoma leaves..
You're wrong on so many levels. So let's see, you have no opinion of the UT Coach leaving but you are full of BS opinion about those who did. BTW, you're now fully entrenched.Originally posted by BillyRay:
Justify it however you want Medic. I'm not blind. I know you are going to defend your position since you were so entrenched in the other thread. Some on here want to steer the UT story to shape their wishes, and will now steer the OU story to their wishes in defending Bob.
Monty was such a dominating force in putting this recruiting class together, it's asinine to think this class would have shaped up the way it did had the recruits known he was going to jump ship less than a week after NSD. It makes zero difference if a recruit cries about it on social media or not. That is completely irrelevant. Just because a UT recruit did it, doesnt' mean OU recruits are held to the same standard to get on social media and air out their personal drama about coaches.
So now....Stoops fired coaches shortly after NSD a few years ago, and now the DL coach leaves OU less than a week after NSD. Ya...I bet the recruits those coaches brought to OU were elated to see their recruiters leave or get fired. But hey....as long as it's not posted on twitter it must not be reality.....It really is amazing the feeble glass houses some on here live in.
So at best, Bob is on the same level as Strong. So you can't bash on one without taking down the other. Unless you don't think Bob has any values?
Madcow, I seriously doubt this all went down in one day. But it's been a full week since NSD and Monty's agent has most likely been working on this for a few days. He was hired by OU with everyone knowing fully that he was moving up the ranks. OU wasn't going to be his final stop. I doubt the GB job will be his final stop as well. He's a very good coach. I'm glad we had him for a couple of years. IMO, he single handily extended Bob Stoops at OU a couple of years.
Medic007
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Blah blah blah. The thread I started was about, wait for it, recuits taking to social media to express they had been lied to. I have yet to see any social media from OU recruits doing the same. Discussion then centered around Coach Values lying to his recruit as the recruit alleged he did and the fact that if it did happen, then he violated his Core Values. Nothing in that thread negative about the fact their DL coach simply left after signing day. Really isn't rocket surgery.Originally posted by BillyRay:
Justify it however you want Medic. I'm not blind. I know you are going to defend your position since you were so entrenched in the other thread. Some on here want to steer the UT story to shape their wishes, and will now steer the OU story to their wishes in defending Bob.
Monty was such a dominating force in putting this recruiting class together, it's asinine to think this class would have shaped up the way it did had the recruits known he was going to jump ship less than a week after NSD. It makes zero difference if a recruit cries about it on social media or not. That is completely irrelevant. Just because a UT recruit did it, doesnt' mean OU recruits are held to the same standard to get on social media and air out their personal drama about coaches.
So now....Stoops fired coaches shortly after NSD a few years ago, and now the DL coach leaves OU less than a week after NSD. Ya...I bet the recruits those coaches brought to OU were elated to see their recruiters leave or get fired. But hey....as long as it's not posted on twitter it must not be reality.....It really is amazing the feeble glass houses some on here live in.
So at best, Bob is on the same level as Strong. So you can't bash on one without taking down the other. Unless you don't think Bob has any values?
You can jump on your glass house moral soap box and call us OU fans whatever you fancy (hypocrites), but your revision of what was posted in that thread isn't what was really discussed. The thread is still here. On page 1. Maybe you should reread it.
If OU recruits take to social media to indicate they were lied to about Montgomery, you'll see me questioning Stoops the same way I did Strong. I'll bet others like WNAS would do the same. Is that hypocritical? No? Then you can spare us all the "hypocrite" nonsense.
I voiced my opinion in the other thread as well. I thought it was asinine then, and I still believe it's asinine in regards to both situations. See, I look at things with the good ole "be careful what you wish for" doctrine when picking battles. I learned long ago that what happens at one football program, is going to eventually happen at all programs. So I refuse to live in a brittle glass house that can be easily shattered when something happens to OU that I may have ridiculed another program or coach about. But that's just me.Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:
You're wrong on so many levels. So let's see, you have no opinion of the UT Coach leaving but you are full of BS opinion about those who did. BTW, you're now fully entrenched.
The entire premise behind defending your position is whether kids air our their drama on twitter or not. I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and pretend that the kids Monty recruited to OU are elated that he is bolting the program less than a week after they signed their LOI. I have no doubt that the UT recruit felt as if he was lied to or deceived. I feel the same way about the OU recruits that Monty brought in. Because I find it hard to believe that Monty was out on the recruiting trail getting kids to sign with OU while telling them he is going to leave.
This post was edited on 2/10 5:54 PM by BillyRay
Well you're screwing up here on this thread then! Because you don't even have to go read pg 1 of that thread... Medic posted in the FIRST post of that thread. This was posted by a freshly signed UT recruit, Lamkin. "Guess I was lied to in my face".Originally posted by BillyRay:
I voiced my opinion in the other thread as well. I thought it was asinine then, and I still believe it's asinine in regards to both situations. See, I look at things with the good ole "be careful what you wish for" doctrine when picking battles. I learned long ago that what happens at one football program, is going to eventually happen at all programs. So I refuse to live in a brittle glass house that can be easily shattered when something happens to OU that I may have ridiculed another program or coach about. But that's just me.Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:
You're wrong on so many levels. So let's see, you have no opinion of the UT Coach leaving but you are full of BS opinion about those who did. BTW, you're now fully entrenched.
What you're doing now is ASSuming this is the same thing. I don't believe it was. In fact, I believe that Monty contacted his agent and said "get me out of here" when he found out that MS was still going to be around. It became official AFTER Bob Stoops announced the coaching line up.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Interesting take, I forget how these guys have agents and for agents to make money, they need to make their clients more money , so that would make sense.Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:
Well you're screwing up here on this thread then! Because you don't even have to go read pg 1 of that thread... Medic posted in the FIRST post of that thread. This was posted by a freshly signed UT recruit, Lamkin. "Guess I was lied to in my face".Originally posted by BillyRay:
I voiced my opinion in the other thread as well. I thought it was asinine then, and I still believe it's asinine in regards to both situations. See, I look at things with the good ole "be careful what you wish for" doctrine when picking battles. I learned long ago that what happens at one football program, is going to eventually happen at all programs. So I refuse to live in a brittle glass house that can be easily shattered when something happens to OU that I may have ridiculed another program or coach about. But that's just me.Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:
You're wrong on so many levels. So let's see, you have no opinion of the UT Coach leaving but you are full of BS opinion about those who did. BTW, you're now fully entrenched.
What you're doing now is ASSuming this is the same thing. I don't believe it was. In fact, I believe that Monty contacted his agent and said "get me out of here" when he found out that MS was still going to be around. It became official AFTER Bob Stoops announced the coaching line up.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Some of the players have started to react on Twitter, and they are sad. My biggest concern, is not that we can't find someone to replace him and be successful. But, I think Mike lost a lot of the team last year, and I think them seeing Montgomery promoted to CO-DC was renergizing to current players, and of course very attractive to the new recruits. So, for me it isn't as much about finding someone to replace him, as it is that we are back in the same situation with Mike. Unless we get a very successful Co-DC ( preferably a play caller) , I don't think just hiring a replacement addresses the problem. I think Bob tried to fix it by doing this, when in my opinion, our program would have been better served making Montgomery Co-DC and hiring a proven DC . Montgomery leaving, would not be near as big of deal,if not for our situation with Mike and somewhat Kish. I do feel the players seem to like Kish more than Mike! The rumor is Montgomery didn't like Mike, so maybe when he saw he was for sure staying, he was going. Coach Stoops needs to make a great hire, and I don't care if he has never met him, he has never lived in Iowa, or has never had a darn thing to do with Tech, as long as he is a proven winner. If he is truly 100% committed to our program, I think if he can't fire him, he needs to find another responsibility for his brother! I always will wonder if Jay, and especially Josh, wanted to ask him if he was kidding, when they found out they were going, and the defensive staff was staying! I think they both needed changes, but I have said this and will always believe, the defense was far worse, and the stats bear that out!! It is sad this happened now, when there was a lot of renewed excitement, so I hope he gets a homerun hire very soon!! We had a great class and we have a lot of talent!! I have read a few things suggesting that some think that maybe Cooks would be Co-DC, since he called plays year before last. Anyone know why that was not in his job description this year? While I like his hire, that would not be my pick to fix things either, but hey what do I know
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Stupid huh? LOL
Well..before you start calling others stupid, then maybe you need to modify your stance here. If in fact things went down you like ASSume they did, then Monty, and possibly Bob, had been lying to recruits for nearly a month prior to NSD. I say this, since Bob Stoops held a press conference on Jan 6th where he announced that Monty would be promoted to Co-DC with Mike going forward. So Monty knew for almost a month prior to NSD that he would be working with Mike. If Monty contacted his agent after that Jan 6th press conference like you ASSume, then he clearly was lying to recruits from that day forward until NSD.
So careful when you start throwing around the title of "stupid."
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