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OU announces Montgomery to NFL!!!

Originally posted by blh111:
Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by madcow12:

Originally posted by pfka_ms:
So wait, less than a week after signing day? I hope he told all the recruits before they signed their LOI's.
stoops knew, he had to of. Nobody ever has a coach lie and then leave. I bet the recruits wish they could leave...bahhahahaha...karma boys...glass houses..


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Bob Stoops just promoted Montgomery to co-def coordinator last month, called him a "rising star" on his staff. Now that star is gone.
Sadly, this is how these things turn out. Some OU fans on here decided to get on a soapbox and having a grand ole time bashing on Strong and UT about their DL coach leaving shortly after NSD. Well...here we are less than a week after NSD and the OU coaching staff has just taken a very similar blow. I'm sure many of my fellow OU fans will scramble around and find excuses for the OU situation, but not me. It is what it is. I don't live in a glass house like some on here.
Well said, as your prediction came true.
He didn't predict Monty going to the Green Bay Packers. In fact, he didn't predict anything. He has reacted to a series of events, bestowing himself of how great of a person he is for doing so. So come UT fans, and Billy, show is one post on twitter or any social media that an OU player has openly stated that he felt "lied to in his face". A UT player has said this, an OU player hasn't.

Show me or
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^ that! Mike Stoops will for sure be top dog now, and maybe he already was and that is why Montgomery left? Very unfortunate development.
 
whynotasooner,

"He didn't predict Monty going to the Green Bay Packers. In fact, he didn't predict anything. He has reacted to a series of events, bestowing himself of how great of a person he is for doing so. So come UT fans, and Billy, show is one post on twitter or any social media that an OU player has openly stated that he felt "lied to in his face". A UT player has said this, an OU player hasn't."


A hit dog gone holler. And oh yeah, his prediction came true, he knew who he was dealing with, and you did exactly what he said you would. Don't just try and make it about recruits. You put your foot in your mouth and went way beyond that. I'll SHOW you in sec. And that's funny too, NOW you want to be SHOWN something, in order for it to be true. You're comedy.

"And yet we have Stoops, who never displays his core values but by his actions which is better than scribble on a board. Stoops doesn't flaunt his core values, but clearly has them, and moreso than Strong anyway."

Moreso huh, apparently not...at least not according to your logic. I like how he just showed it with his actions. That's hilarious, and so is your crawdad walk.

"Now here come the UT spin... Strong didn't know about it.
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Hmmmm...so did Stoops know about it?
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"As far as Strong goes, I have a very difficult time believing a HC does not know where his Coaches are on the recruiting trail. If Strong truly didn't know this was coming, he's in worse shape than many thought."

So Stoops knew too, right. Or are you still spinning.

"Great recuiting dirt going forward for all that recruit against UT."

"I'll say again, if Strong truly did not know his Coach was leaving, then UT has many more issues than many thought."

That foot has got be tasting nasty, right about now. So does Stoops have more issues than you thought, or did he know? I'm just curious how you're going to keep spinning all this. Should be fun to watch...don't get dizzy.

"He's either being dishonest with himself, his team, his fans, or he doesn't have a clue of what's happening within his program."

You were saying.
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"pfkams... if you believe that Strong did not know about his coach leaving... you clearly have been outsmarted."

You can't make this stuff up...yes, you said all of this.

"I've never flown in space to personally see the round of the earth, but I do believe it is round."

"Now go back to sticking your head in the sand. It appears there's stuff that you can't handle."

This was a lame analogy, but now it's comedy gold.

"It's dirty and it is what it is. Before it's all said & done, Strong will take a few more hits. It always happens when one speaks w/ props instead of actions."

Classic, just classic.
 
Originally posted by Sfenn3:
Some of the players have started to react on Twitter, and they are sad. My biggest concern, is not that we can't find someone to replace him and be successful. But, I think Mike lost a lot of the team last year, and I think them seeing Montgomery promoted to CO-DC was renergizing to current players, and of course very attractive to the new recruits. So, for me it isn't as much about finding someone to replace him, as it is that we are back in the same situation with Mike. Unless we get a very successful Co-DC ( preferably a play caller) , I don't think just hiring a replacement addresses the problem. I think Bob tried to fix it by doing this, when in my opinion, our program would have been better served making Montgomery Co-DC and hiring a proven DC . Montgomery leaving, would not be near as big of deal,if not for our situation with Mike and somewhat Kish. I do feel the players seem to like Kish more than Mike! The rumor is Montgomery didn't like Mike, so maybe when he saw he was for sure staying, he was going. Coach Stoops needs to make a great hire, and I don't care if he has never met him, he has never lived in Iowa, or has never had a darn thing to do with Tech, as long as he is a proven winner. If he is truly 100% committed to our program, I think if he can't fire him, he needs to find another responsibility for his brother! I always will wonder if Jay, and especially Josh, wanted to ask him if he was kidding, when they found out they were going, and the defensive staff was staying! I think they both needed changes, but I have said this and will always believe, the defense was far worse, and the stats bear that out!! It is sad this happened now, when there was a lot of renewed excitement, so I hope he gets a homerun hire very soon!! We had a great class and we have a lot of talent!! I have read a few things suggesting that some think that maybe Cooks would be Co-DC, since he called plays year before last. Anyone know why that was not in his job description this year? While I like his hire, that would not be my pick to fix things either, but hey what do I know:)!!!!
I didn't have to read half the way through that without agreeing with everything you were about to post...
 
Originally posted by blh111:
whynotasooner,

"He didn't predict Monty going to the Green Bay Packers. In fact, he didn't predict anything. He has reacted to a series of events, bestowing himself of how great of a person he is for doing so. So come UT fans, and Billy, show is one post on twitter or any social media that an OU player has openly stated that he felt "lied to in his face". A UT player has said this, an OU player hasn't."


A hit dog gone holler. And oh yeah, his prediction came true, he knew who he was dealing with, and you did exactly what he said you would. Don't just try and make it about recruits. You put your foot in your mouth and went way beyond that. I'll SHOW you in sec. And that's funny too, NOW you want to be SHOWN something, in order for it to be true. You're comedy.

"And yet we have Stoops, who never displays his core values but by his actions which is better than scribble on a board. Stoops doesn't flaunt his core values, but clearly has them, and moreso than Strong anyway."

Moreso huh, apparently not...at least not according to your logic. I like how he just showed it with his actions. That's hilarious, and so is your crawdad walk.

"Now here come the UT spin... Strong didn't know about it.
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"

Hmmmm...so did Stoops know about it?
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"As far as Strong goes, I have a very difficult time believing a HC does not know where his Coaches are on the recruiting trail. If Strong truly didn't know this was coming, he's in worse shape than many thought."

So Stoops knew too, right. Or are you still spinning.

"Great recuiting dirt going forward for all that recruit against UT."

"I'll say again, if Strong truly did not know his Coach was leaving, then UT has many more issues than many thought."

That foot has got be tasting nasty, right about now. So does Stoops have more issues than you thought, or did he know? I'm just curious how you're going to keep spinning all this. Should be fun to watch...don't get dizzy.

"He's either being dishonest with himself, his team, his fans, or he doesn't have a clue of what's happening within his program."

You were saying.
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"pfkams... if you believe that Strong did not know about his coach leaving... you clearly have been outsmarted."

You can't make this stuff up...yes, you said all of this.

"I've never flown in space to personally see the round of the earth, but I do believe it is round."

"Now go back to sticking your head in the sand. It appears there's stuff that you can't handle."

This was a lame analogy, but now it's comedy gold.

"It's dirty and it is what it is. Before it's all said & done, Strong will take a few more hits. It always happens when one speaks w/ props instead of actions."

Classic, just classic.
So you take things out of another thread and insert them in this thread like they mean something. All the while your boy Lampkin states he was lied to by a UT coach. Not so by any OU player. It took you awhile to retrace my posts and I stand with each of them. Lampkin was lied to and Strong knew about them. What you didn't post was Strong's false Core Values.

I'm the winner and you're the loser!
 
Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:

Originally posted by blh111:
whynotasooner,

"He didn't predict Monty going to the Green Bay Packers. In fact, he didn't predict anything. He has reacted to a series of events, bestowing himself of how great of a person he is for doing so. So come UT fans, and Billy, show is one post on twitter or any social media that an OU player has openly stated that he felt "lied to in his face". A UT player has said this, an OU player hasn't."


A hit dog gone holler. And oh yeah, his prediction came true, he knew who he was dealing with, and you did exactly what he said you would. Don't just try and make it about recruits. You put your foot in your mouth and went way beyond that. I'll SHOW you in sec. And that's funny too, NOW you want to be SHOWN something, in order for it to be true. You're comedy.

"And yet we have Stoops, who never displays his core values but by his actions which is better than scribble on a board. Stoops doesn't flaunt his core values, but clearly has them, and moreso than Strong anyway."

Moreso huh, apparently not...at least not according to your logic. I like how he just showed it with his actions. That's hilarious, and so is your crawdad walk.

"Now here come the UT spin... Strong didn't know about it.
roll.r191677.gif
"

Hmmmm...so did Stoops know about it?
roll.r191677.gif


"As far as Strong goes, I have a very difficult time believing a HC does not know where his Coaches are on the recruiting trail. If Strong truly didn't know this was coming, he's in worse shape than many thought."

So Stoops knew too, right. Or are you still spinning.

"Great recuiting dirt going forward for all that recruit against UT."

"I'll say again, if Strong truly did not know his Coach was leaving, then UT has many more issues than many thought."

That foot has got be tasting nasty, right about now. So does Stoops have more issues than you thought, or did he know? I'm just curious how you're going to keep spinning all this. Should be fun to watch...don't get dizzy.

"He's either being dishonest with himself, his team, his fans, or he doesn't have a clue of what's happening within his program."

You were saying.
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"pfkams... if you believe that Strong did not know about his coach leaving... you clearly have been outsmarted."

You can't make this stuff up...yes, you said all of this.

"I've never flown in space to personally see the round of the earth, but I do believe it is round."

"Now go back to sticking your head in the sand. It appears there's stuff that you can't handle."

This was a lame analogy, but now it's comedy gold.

"It's dirty and it is what it is. Before it's all said & done, Strong will take a few more hits. It always happens when one speaks w/ props instead of actions."

Classic, just classic.
So you take things out of another thread and insert them in this thread like they mean something. All the while your boy Lampkin states he was lied to by a UT coach. Not so by any OU player. It took you awhile to retrace my posts and I stand with each of them. Lampkin was lied to and Strong knew about them. What you didn't post was Strong's false Core Values.

I'm the winner and you're the loser!
Bwahahahaha!!!

I love the fact that you're trying to turn this into a what did Strong know and when did he know it conversation. Because the same applies to Bob. If the agreement in principal for a job that was newly created is done it wasn't negotiated, drafted, approved by both parties and their attorneys and signed in one day.

Are you drunk?
 
OU player praising a departing coach...

"Aaaannndddd my favorite coach from Oklahoma leaves.


UT player praising a departing coach,

"I guess I was lied to in my face."



I like how this is playing out too!
 
Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:


Originally posted by blh111:
whynotasooner,

"He didn't predict Monty going to the Green Bay Packers. In fact, he didn't predict anything. He has reacted to a series of events, bestowing himself of how great of a person he is for doing so. So come UT fans, and Billy, show is one post on twitter or any social media that an OU player has openly stated that he felt "lied to in his face". A UT player has said this, an OU player hasn't."


A hit dog gone holler. And oh yeah, his prediction came true, he knew who he was dealing with, and you did exactly what he said you would. Don't just try and make it about recruits. You put your foot in your mouth and went way beyond that. I'll SHOW you in sec. And that's funny too, NOW you want to be SHOWN something, in order for it to be true. You're comedy.

"And yet we have Stoops, who never displays his core values but by his actions which is better than scribble on a board. Stoops doesn't flaunt his core values, but clearly has them, and moreso than Strong anyway."

Moreso huh, apparently not...at least not according to your logic. I like how he just showed it with his actions. That's hilarious, and so is your crawdad walk.

"Now here come the UT spin... Strong didn't know about it.
roll.r191677.gif
"

Hmmmm...so did Stoops know about it?
roll.r191677.gif


"As far as Strong goes, I have a very difficult time believing a HC does not know where his Coaches are on the recruiting trail. If Strong truly didn't know this was coming, he's in worse shape than many thought."

So Stoops knew too, right. Or are you still spinning.

"Great recuiting dirt going forward for all that recruit against UT."

"I'll say again, if Strong truly did not know his Coach was leaving, then UT has many more issues than many thought."

That foot has got be tasting nasty, right about now. So does Stoops have more issues than you thought, or did he know? I'm just curious how you're going to keep spinning all this. Should be fun to watch...don't get dizzy.

"He's either being dishonest with himself, his team, his fans, or he doesn't have a clue of what's happening within his program."

You were saying.
laugh.r191677.gif


"pfkams... if you believe that Strong did not know about his coach leaving... you clearly have been outsmarted."

You can't make this stuff up...yes, you said all of this.

"I've never flown in space to personally see the round of the earth, but I do believe it is round."

"Now go back to sticking your head in the sand. It appears there's stuff that you can't handle."

This was a lame analogy, but now it's comedy gold.

"It's dirty and it is what it is. Before it's all said & done, Strong will take a few more hits. It always happens when one speaks w/ props instead of actions."

Classic, just classic.
So you take things out of another thread and insert them in this thread like they mean something. All the while your boy Lampkin states he was lied to by a UT coach. Not so by any OU player. It took you awhile to retrace my posts and I stand with each of them. Lampkin was lied to and Strong knew about them. What you didn't post was Strong's false Core Values.

I'm the winner and you're the loser!
No retort at all, would have served you better. At least you didn't dare, and try to answer any of the above questions, that I attached to your comments. Enjoy your merry go round, it's still spinning all of your credibility away.
 
Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:
OU player praising a departing coach...

"Aaaannndddd my favorite coach from Oklahoma leaves.


UT player praising a departing coach,

"I guess I was lied to in my face."



I like how this is playing out too!
So he's happy Montgomery is leaving? Give up, you lose.
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Wowza...
Scout saying Strong and other coaches are having dinner with the new DL coach right now and we should have an announcement as early as tomorrow.
 
I'll say this, and it applies to both situations:

It all depends on when all the coaches involved knew that someone was leaving. All coaches, both the head coaches and the position coaches that left, would be wrong if they knew they had a job lined up prior to NSD and purposefully hid that information from recruits just so they could get them to sign with their respective universities.

To me, it makes no difference if the players involved are upset, talk about it on twitter or other social media outlet. And I have no opinion on the " Coach Strong and his core values" discussion.

But I would also say this...just putting your name out there as a potential candidate, or even just being called upon by another organization or team, isn't the same thing as accepting a job or knowing you're going to accept a job at a different location but continue to act like you will be coaching in your current capacity when you know you won't.

I made the statement in the other thread that we fans were being hypocritical for OU doing the same thing Texas and Rumph are being accused of. And I stand by that statement. This year, OU may have not had coaches continue to recruit for us only to know they'd be leaving immediately after signing day, but we allowed other coaches to recruit at their former schools and remain silent so they could do this knowing they were going to be leaving immediately after. It's tacit approval of that practice and I think it's just as wrong. And, it happened a few years ago at OU.

I'm not going to say any of the coaches involved are wrong because I don't know what they knew, or more importantly when they knew it. And I doubt we actually ever find out definitively.

But I stand by my belief that the practice of recruiting falsely under the pretense that the coach will be there when they know they won't is wrong, even if it's accepted in the community.

Feel free to agree or disagree.
 
Originally posted by MiccoMacey:


I'm not going to say any of the coaches involved are wrong because I don't know what they knew, or more importantly when they knew it. And I doubt we actually ever find out definitively.

But I stand by my belief that the practice of recruiting falsely under the pretense that the coach will be there when they know they won't is wrong, even if it's accepted in the community.

Feel free to agree or disagree.

Good stuff, as always...and I agree.
 
Originally posted by blh111:
Originally posted by MiccoMacey:


I'm not going to say any of the coaches involved are wrong because I don't know what they knew, or more importantly when they knew it. And I doubt we actually ever find out definitively.

But I stand by my belief that the practice of recruiting falsely under the pretense that the coach will be there when they know they won't is wrong, even if it's accepted in the community.

Feel free to agree or disagree.

Good stuff, as always...and I agree.
I agree wholeheartedly. What we have is a known & unknown. The known is that a UT coach lied to a player, as the player has openly stated it. The unknown is that OU may have per Micro. This is how and why I see it differently.
 
Every player who signs a LOI with a university knows that they are signing with the university, not specific coaches. Sure it sucks, but it is what it is.

Charlie Strong was pissed that his DL coach left for the same job, a lateral move. Did he know or not? Who knows, yet I doubt he did. Were his players lied to by the DL coach who recruited them? Doubtful. He signed with Florida the day after NSD, but Terrell Williams didn't accept the Miami Dolphins offer until February 5th as well. Seems like Florida lost a coach and McElwain had one in mind right away and called him. At the time TexASS signed those players, the TexASS DL coach wasn't going anywhere, Florida still had their DL coach.

Montgomery accepted a job as a defensive assistant according to ESPN, who report that all of the Packers defensive staff were returning and this position is a new one on the staff. Doubtful he knew anything about it before NSD, either.

Too many of you on here are making a lot out of nothing. Coaches move around all the time. One never knows whether they will have a job tomorrow or if they might get a better offer. Get the NCAA to change the rules if you don't like them, the rest of it is a moot point until then.
 
Originally posted by Medic007:

Nope. Nobody bashed Strong and UT because their DL coach left. What really happened was OU fans discussing UT recruits expressing on social media that they were lied to by their Core Values coach and then bashing Coach Values for breaking his own values.

I know it's subtle (not really), but still slightly (VERY) different than what you typed.
So you're saying your DL recruits are all thrilled for Coach Montgomery for his new opportunity in the NFL?? How come Stoops withheld this knowledge from his recruits?? How is this any different than what Strong did?

All this means is that your players are astute enough to not declare their naivety to the world via social media.
 
wait..he took a Non coaching Job with the packers ???? and a rumored paycut. Bob should have got rid of Mike and you guys know that is the truth.


Defensive Quality Control coach, which according to the FoxSports guy, he'll watch film, do special projects, type reports for DC, etc.




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RT @_anthonynash: @jasonjwilde i meant position of "defensive quality control".
 
Originally posted by madcow12:
wait..he took a Non coaching Job with the packers ???? and a rumored paycut. Bob should have got rid of Mike and you guys know that is the truth.


Defensive Quality Control coach, which according to the FoxSports guy, he'll watch film, do special projects, type reports for DC, etc.




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RT @_anthonynash: @jasonjwilde i meant position of "defensive quality control".
Wow, that is very telling.
 
Originally posted by Clinton Scott:
Rumors he didn't get along with stoops...which one I don't know. Certainly possible it was both.
Yes, that rumor started in the SID's office in Stillwater. Or maybe on the premium board over here.

If Montgomery wanted to coach in the NFL, and apparently that is true, this is as good an opportunity as he was ever going to have. And he's spent most of his post high school live in that part of the world. He's been a bit of a nomad. The only coaching stop for him longer than two years was at Northern Iowa where he was an assistant coach for two years and a GA for one.

He never played pro football, so an assistant's job was going to be hard to come by. This is a great opportunity for him. He is going to a top five NFL team at worst. Great front office. Likely takes his wife back closer to her family. And he likes to move around. After playing at Iowa, he spent a year as a student assistant there. Two years coaching high school ball in Iowa City. A year as a DC at a community college. A year as a GA at Northern Iowa, then two as an assistant coach at UNI.

Two years at Wyoming, two years at Michigan and then two years at OU.

He doesn't seem to stay in one place for very long. Maybe the Packers will be a good home for him and his family.
 
Originally posted by Clinton Scott:
Rumors he didn't get along with stoops...which one I don't know. Certainly possible it was both.
The next time you decide to visit this board with flame posts you will be permanently removed, you have been banned for this several times.
 
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