ruin his cred with recruits? lol once again I think you are giving yourself way too much credit plaino
Ole Bobby Stoops, I think we should keep him really...
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Bob is a very good, well above average HC for OU. He's had some complacency set in at times. But he still has some fire left and fire he did. Several coches the past two seasons in an effort to clean up the program. He cut lose some players as well. When Riley was announced as the OC, I said then that the hire was in an effort to outscore the other teams because the defense was suspect. If MS wasn't his brother, he'd have been gone too. My point is that Mike Stoops hasn't had just one bad year, it's been several. In fact, this year is by far his best year since his return and yet he hasn't even outright won a Big 12 Championship...yet. At a minimum, there's three more games left counting the bowl game. I'm excited about the road win in Waco against Baylor. It shows improvement... big time. Having said this, the defense still gave up 34 pts to a FR QB. But they stuffed the run game of Baylor and forced the FR QB to beat them with his arm, he didn't. He couln't. So Kudos to the defense for the win. Kudos for Bob for making changes.
Next up is TCU. I like our chances.
Next up is TCU. I like our chances.
Many posters said all last year that Josh Heupel was the best OC we could ever get at OU and to think otherwise was just stupid idiotic fans. I'm so glad Bob agreed with many of us on this board that wasn't a fan of Josh Heupel (the offensive coordinator not the former player). I think Bob made a very wise decision and so glad he didn't think the way many on this board was thinking. Bob's decision on the coaching staff has paid off big time this year. I'm glad Bob is wiser than most of the posters on this board that think all of the OU staff are above any kind of criticism.
Honestly, how many of us worried about JH taking a head coaching job somewhere else last year and oppose to Lincoln Riley taking a head coaching job elsewhere this year?
IMO Bob's best decisions that affected the entire program was hiring Lincoln Riley, Kerry Cooks and the new WR coach (can't think of his name off the top of my head right now) and puttting Mike Stoops up in the booth.
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Honestly, how many of us worried about JH taking a head coaching job somewhere else last year and oppose to Lincoln Riley taking a head coaching job elsewhere this year?
IMO Bob's best decisions that affected the entire program was hiring Lincoln Riley, Kerry Cooks and the new WR coach (can't think of his name off the top of my head right now) and puttting Mike Stoops up in the booth.
Boomer Sooner!
Obviously Bob stoops agreed with certain posters on this board with the heupel situation. A certain poster can " attempt" to spin it any way he wants but the facts are he was fired. Why not just be an adult and just admit being wrong? Geez none if us are perfect with our assessments of players or coaches. Stuff happens.
I likely do not possess a fraction of the football smarts as many of you fine fellers. That said, I do have a question for the fellers that saw the firing of Coach Heupel as a must last season.
Do you think Coach Heupel had the same quality of players that young Coach Riley finds himself with? Do you think things would have been different if Coach Heupel had this major stud QB at his disposal?
I'm short in the mental department of this here game of football. I think the Lincoln was a good hire based on what Coach Stoops said about getting back to the style of offense he used to have. But it also seems that the Lincoln has been the beneficiary of a studly gunslinger the likes that Coach Heupel in no way had.
Lookin for the serious thoughts. The unsightly mythical bridge guards get no response.
Do you think Coach Heupel had the same quality of players that young Coach Riley finds himself with? Do you think things would have been different if Coach Heupel had this major stud QB at his disposal?
I'm short in the mental department of this here game of football. I think the Lincoln was a good hire based on what Coach Stoops said about getting back to the style of offense he used to have. But it also seems that the Lincoln has been the beneficiary of a studly gunslinger the likes that Coach Heupel in no way had.
Lookin for the serious thoughts. The unsightly mythical bridge guards get no response.
Yep, all valid points B effing...
Bear Bryant would have never gotten hired at Bama were it not for Forrest Gump...
Just kidding around...got nothing, or very close to that.
Well I'm one that believes that Heupel & Norvell reaped what they sowed w/ regards to the players they recruited and signed. If one believes that the talent wasn't there, then one has to believe that it was due to the recruiting prowess of them both. The fact is, there is a new direction, new energy, new QB, and new OC at OU and as some like to call him, Bobby Stoops is the individual responsible for the newness of the program.
No arguments from me on these fine points. After beating up Alabama we were all pretty high on the coaches and players, and then the team and coaches fell flat last year. Completely different look this year.
Likely the extra year benefited Mr. Stud QB. And the Lincoln is an upgrade as well. I thought that Coach Heupel had a difficult time trying to figure out what it was he was trying to do with his offense. Coach Norvell seemed to be more of a Coach February type than he did a practice and game time coach.
"Maybe" so ST. But, his use of "aren't" in the first sentence and the totality of sentences 1 and 2 imply the present as well as the future. At least, that's my perspective.
As always, If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Boomer Sooner
...OR...an English instructor.
Obviously, I can't speak for the poster, hence why I said "think". Hope you and yours are doing well.
I'll add to this, by saying that Bob Stoops knew what types of players he had coming back, yet he still made changes. So evidently he didn't think that the players on the field today could respond to the coaches he let go.
Having said this having Green & Mixon playing last year would have helped any coach IMO.
Having said this having Green & Mixon playing last year would have helped any coach IMO.
Enjoy your posting style immensely. Your insights are pretty good, too. Very mature and civil poster. Thanks.
Boomer Sooner
Same to you and yours ST. Thanks for who you are. It's appreciated.
Boomer Sooner
Boomer Sooner
Yep there will always be up and coming coaches to take over in the next generation as the current generation of great coaches eventually hang it up. Always has been, always will be.
Hard questions to answer for sure. But another dimension of the situation, is if Baker would be as successful as he has been if the WR depth wasn't there just like last year?? I was more for Norvell being booted after last year. Heupel just didn't have any WR depth to work with after Shepard went down.
IMHO, our OLine last year was much better than this year. That said, this year's OLine has made significant strides.
Love the way this year's team is coming together and at the right time. Making Baker better and better.
We're on a roll that will be very difficult to stop. If we win out, hope we get the deserved love from the CFP Committee.
Boomer Sooner
Love the way this year's team is coming together and at the right time. Making Baker better and better.
We're on a roll that will be very difficult to stop. If we win out, hope we get the deserved love from the CFP Committee.
Boomer Sooner
Personally, I think they spread JH too thin and it hurt mostly in the QB development department. I think the whole co-thing with Norvell was also detrimental. I believe JH would have been more successful with the coaching structure of the offense this year-they've divided things up differently than in years past. I also think he's better suited to run the type of offense we're running now, as opposed to the ZR morph the past couple of years... and yes, I think it's pretty obvious that Lincoln Riley has a little more to work with than Josh did the past couple of years. Who knew that Baker was going to be as good as he's been? Frankly, his individual talent bailed us out at Tennessee and iced the game last weekend. That said, I also think that LR is an upgrade, maybe not so much in football IQ, but more so in charisma and confidence in what he's doing. Part of that confidence could be that Bob's staying out of his way and trusting him to run the offense as he sees fit.
Appreciate the responses BillyRay, fortworth4ou2, and veritas59.
Certainly it is difficult to pinpoint with more than one variable changed. BUT, we can all agree that even if we all disagreed about how this team and coaching staff got to where it is today, the changes have been nothing but a bunch of improvement.
Sir Bob needs a new nickname more fitting of the current times.
Certainly it is difficult to pinpoint with more than one variable changed. BUT, we can all agree that even if we all disagreed about how this team and coaching staff got to where it is today, the changes have been nothing but a bunch of improvement.
Sir Bob needs a new nickname more fitting of the current times.
The OLine was hit with graduations. BUT...there have been personnel changes AND they keep improving every week. Our QB keeps doing the same too. And our defense...and our fan base...
Dammit faddy; the new gal definitely has very fine qualities: the eyes and other fine girly features but that redhead is a keeper...
I know, you're right...I could always forgive a gal for having 32Bs if she had eyes like this one...
I guess I'm an eye guy...more or less...
I mean really...look at those peepers...they melt ya.
I assume a poser is a fan of some other team actually? Well, I have been an OU fan probably longer than you have been alive. I am over 70 and never really took, or had, time to post on these things. I've read them off and on for many years but never posted. Been a member on this board for years. I think BOB is a fine man, a good husband and father, and a very good coach. After the fire that was put under his but last year and if he was a great coach we would have beaten Texas. But we didn't. We wouldn't have had a players only meeting ,after the Texas game, telling the coaches they were not practicing fast or hard enough. I love the Cooks hire and I believe he has worked wonders with our defensive backfield. I love the Lincoln Riley hire and what he's done. All these new hires were made by Bob. He's paid 5 to 6 million per year to win football games. Not to PLAY games, but to WIN. You can pay me $70k a year and I can go down there and recruit some players and show them how to line up and where to sleep and eat. I could go on and on but I need to go rake some leaves. Thanks for your comments but I don't think I'm a poser. Of course at my age my memory isn't what it use to be and maybe I am a poser and just don't know it!!
LOL...OK, fair enough. Apologies for accusing you of being a poser (and your definition was correct). And if you became an OU fan at age 15 or younger, yes, you've been a fan for longer than I've been alive. My Mom is 79 though, and she can top that.
I can see "why" there have been complaints about Coach Mike. Did make me shake my head in amazement when all the focus was on Coach Heupel last year INSTEAD of Coach Mike. Everyone knew we had a very inexperienced secondary but the first 3-4 games the D was very strong. A few injuries hurt a thin DL and when you have weakness at LB, if your DL can't compensate AND you have pups in the secondary...you're in trouble. This year we have more experience AND depth on defense and the kids are playing well. Big difference thus far.
Also, I can even see "why" there were complaints about Coach Stoops. I'm sure you can recall when fans complained about Coach Switzer, and even Coach Wilkinson during Championship droughts. Too many of our fans, myself included, find it easy to take winning Championships for granted. However, common sense and experience tell us a lot of factors outside of their control go into winning them. It's not easy. I think we're blessed to have Coach Stoops and I hope he stays until HE is ready to do something else.
Again, apologies for calling you a poser...when I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Post more often...please.
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