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yubnolck said:
Screw it lets be the first to hire an OC as our DC, play a spread Defense aka Ninja defense. All offense all the time baby!!
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We are already at that level...no place but up. I would have expected slight improvement with a simple defense in place. But no we struggle even with basic lame defense. Murray, Gallimore, Barnes, Perkins, and Tre & Buzzy (sometimes)...that is all we got. Need to sell tickets to the rest.
 
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MGCSooner said:
Year 1 expectations realistically: Top 50 Total Defense! 3 Big 12 teams managed this year, TCU, IA-ST, WVU. Our talent levels exceed all of them. After completing our regular season this year we were tanked 109th TotalD, 127th PassD, 64th RushD. New class of taller S/CBs, Michael Thompson returns, Redmon + scheme, leadership+ aggressive attitude changes. Likely late recruiting home run signings with big name DC.

Year 2..No telling with another year of player development, and now top tier recruiting attention on the D side. Very possibly top 20-30, mostly attributable to aggressive play, turnovers and defensive scoring! BIG12 style however can offer OP freq drive opportunities. Recruiting to defensive system now in place.

Year 3-Beyond: Taller, experienced CBs & S in place, with depth. Fast LBs able to cover/tackle in space, blitz effectively. Disruptive DTs control run game, collapse pocket, tall enough to occasionally bat down passes, DEs much faster to edge, pressure rush. Overall, pressure defense, QBs have little time to find receivers. Defense forces (tries) offense into its style of play they want to play. Defense is multi still.
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I still believe being an elite defense - nationally - is probably a pipe dream playing in the B12. But, if we can get to 1 or 2 in the B12 and consistently in the top 30 or so nationally, this team is a nightmare for the rest of the CFB world, including Alabama, Clemson.
 
humblesooner said:
I still believe being an elite defense - nationally - is probably a pipe dream playing in the B12. But, if we can get to 1 or 2 in the B12 and consistently in the top 30 or so nationally, this team is a nightmare for the rest of the CFB world, including Alabama, Clemson.
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Agree, imagine being consistently as good as say TCU on defense with our offense. That should be achievable at OU.
 
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Side note, did anyone see the secondary play last night for Dallas? I understand they have a tremendous DLine right now but even their secondary is playing lights out. Curious if their secondary coach is on our radar as much as Lincoln is on their's? j/k
 
wadster said:
More than that. Corners are not only smallish, they are average at best in speed. If you're going to play that small you better have some wheels. How do they let receivers come off the line without any redirection and then let them beat you down the field for 75 yd TDs.
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Weird you say that Saturday. Did you rewatch that game? There was actually good coverage downfield for once. Motley, Tre Brown and Norwood played great coverage and those two pis were terrible calls. I’d actually say it was their best game Now the safety help is a different story.
 
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soonermade said:
Would the new DC be in place to coach during either the bowl game this season or the playoffs?

Wouldn't that be something if OU makes it into the playoffs and a new DC turns our defense into a force to be reckoned with and we go on to win the NC?
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Oklahoma needs a DC who knows LA, Miss,Al, Ga, and north fla and pick up some big men who have speed same for lbs and cbs. Ohio State has been requiting heavily in the South East and it shows up in their roster. To have a good defense you have to have the players and that is where Ok is coming up short.
 
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ShamWowed said:
Side note, did anyone see the secondary play last night for Dallas? I understand they have a tremendous DLine right now but even their secondary is playing lights out. Curious if their secondary coach is on our radar as much as Lincoln is on their's? j/k
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I mentioned this on the pay board and no one responded. I casn't remember his name now, but he's also calling the defensive plays this year. He came from USC via Pete Carroll and then moved to the Seahawks w/ Carroll. He would be an amazing get but I have a feeling the NFL will be calling. on him soon. Having said this, he's a very fiery guy. In your face type guy. So much so that he got into a pre-game brawl w/ an opposing team last month. But he has the Cowboys defense jacked up, that's for sure.
 
Someone help me. Is Pete Golding really the elite DC we need or is it that Saban hired him last year so “he must be good”. Looking at his resume, it’s okay if minor league team performances are the criteria Lincoln feels is the right fit for OU. Golding’s experience with the majors is very limited. One year at Alabama with stops at Tusculum College, Delta State, Southeastern Louisiana, Southern Mississippi and UTSA. Granted, except for Southern Mississippi he had or shared the DC title at all the others but total years in the big time is limited, IMO. His history is two years and gone.
 
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Oklabama said:
Someone help me. Is Pete Golding really the elite DC we need or is it that Saban hired him last year so “he must be good”. Looking at his resume, it’s okay if minor league team performances are the criteria Lincoln feels is the right fit for OU. Golding’s experience with the majors is very limited. One year at Alabama with stops at Tusculum College, Delta State, Southeastern Louisiana, Southern Mississippi and UTSA. Granted, except for Southern Mississippi he had or shared the DC title at all the others but total years in the big time is limited, IMO. His history is two years and gone.
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My hunch is that Riley hires a complete or perhaps relatively unknown guy to become DC....or linebacker coach...or DB coach.
It might be from a program that's not an upper tier team, kinda like Switzer's hiring of Mack Brown from Appalachian State in 1984 to be his OC.
For what it's worth, Appalachian State's football team was 11-2 this year and had a very good defense. I wonder what a defensive coordinator from a team like Appalachian State could do with the talent he could have and recruit at Oklahoma.
My bottom line view on OU's defense: a near total tear-down and rebuilding are in order. There is talent available now, but it seems to me that it must be "coached up" to play smarter, tougher and to be more aggressive.....not dirty....just more aggressive. It needs to be reinvented.
 
At this point, I don't care who it is, as long as it's a proven guy that isn't inside the program, who LR knows will change the culture of our defense so they all hit like Mack trucks and refuse to give an inch on 3rd or 4th and short. We failed to stop ANYONE in that situation this season, ZERO PERCENT, the ONLY team this season to succeed at that.
 
CTOkie said:
My hunch is that Riley hires a complete or perhaps relatively unknown guy to become DC....or linebacker coach...or DB coach.
It might be from a program that's not an upper tier team, kinda like Switzer's hiring of Mack Brown from Appalachian State in 1984 to be his OC.
For what it's worth, Appalachian State's football team was 11-2 this year and had a very good defense. I wonder what a defensive coordinator from a team like Appalachian State could do with the talent he could have and recruit at Oklahoma.
My bottom line view on OU's defense: a near total tear-down and rebuilding are in order. There is talent available now, but it seems to me that it must be "coached up" to play smarter, tougher and to be more aggressive.....not dirty....just more aggressive. It needs to be reinvented.
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I will be very surprised if Riley is going to get rid of more than two coaches. Hope I’m wrong but not anticipating a house cleaning. Just the way Riley seems to be.
 
Oklabama said:
I will be very surprised if Riley is going to get rid of more than two coaches. Hope I’m wrong but not anticipating a house cleaning. Just the way Riley seems to be.
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Yeah, you're probably right. I really don't believe Cooks or Kish are the main issues defensively, but someone proven and energetic needs to be the DC, in all fairness to an aging McNeil.
 
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CTOkie said:
Yeah, you're probably right. I really don't believe Cooks or Kish are the main issues defensively, but someone proven and energetic needs to be the DC, in all fairness to an aging McNeil.
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CT, I think if Riley’s hire shows good results he will be more open to make additional changes that the new DC wants to see. You would hope if the new guy is a winner Lincoln would do whatever is necessary to retain him for as long as possible. Giving the DC staffing leeway would be a good way to do that, IMO. But what do I know. Lol
 
Oklabama said:
CT, I think if Riley’s hire shows good results he will be more open to make additional changes that the new DC wants to see. You would hope if the new guy is a winner Lincoln would do whatever is necessary to retain him for as long as possible. Giving the DC staffing leeway would be a good way to do that, IMO. But what do I know. Lol
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Mike Stoops' firing was a great first step. Now a greater second step is even more necessary. My guess is that by April 1st Riley will have resolved things.
 
Oklabama said:
Someone help me. Is Pete Golding really the elite DC we need or is it that Saban hired him last year so “he must be good”. Looking at his resume, it’s okay if minor league team performances are the criteria Lincoln feels is the right fit for OU. Golding’s experience with the majors is very limited. One year at Alabama with stops at Tusculum College, Delta State, Southeastern Louisiana, Southern Mississippi and UTSA. Granted, except for Southern Mississippi he had or shared the DC title at all the others but total years in the big time is limited, IMO. His history is two years and gone.
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What was Lincoln's experience? OU built its success hiring hungry, young, bright, aggressive coaches who have not been given that opportunity before. If previous "experience" is mandatory, you just disqualified Wilkinson, Switzer, Stoops and Riley.
 
I will be disappointed if we hire from within.,...I just don’t see that working, the defense got worse after MS was fired...it took forever (28points) for the coaches to defend the slant off the RPO which should have been expected......I hate to say it but if MS was still there we would not have had a 28 point hole, maybe a 14 point hole

Whoever the new DC is he has enough talent to change this situation overnight ....what do we have about 8 or 9 secondary players that are 4 or 5 star recruits,,,maybe more with the 2019 guys...
 
mg1471 said:
What was Lincoln's experience? OU built its success hiring hungry, young, bright, aggressive coaches who have not been given that opportunity before. If previous "experience" is mandatory, you just disqualified Wilkinson, Switzer, Stoops and Riley.
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Wrong. Switzer was the OU OC. Stoops was the Florida DC with a national championship on his resume. I’m questioning hiring a guy without much DC experience at a school that’s competed against major competition. Your point about Riley has some merit but Riley was a noted offensive mind that produced record breaking results. Bud Wilkinson was as you discribed. A young assistant with not much experience. He was 31 when he was named OU head football coach and AD. Now if Pete Golding turns out like Bud, I’ll personally write him a letter of apology. But really I was simply posing a question about settling for an “up and comer” that may or may not succeed rather than seeking out a proven winner. Remember we are talking about a DC here not a head coach of which all of your examples were.
 
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How bad is your defense when a five percent red zone stop rate would be an improvement?
 
The question is will a new DC be able to turn things around with the current players. Or will we have to wait a few recruiting cycles before we see any change.
 
Oklabama said:
CT, I think if Riley’s hire shows good results he will be more open to make additional changes that the new DC wants to see. You would hope if the new guy is a winner Lincoln would do whatever is necessary to retain him for as long as possible. Giving the DC staffing leeway would be a good way to do that, IMO. But what do I know. Lol
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Problem is, the right guy could fail because he can only bring in one or two of his own. At the very most, everyone currently on staff will be granted the opportunity to interview for a position on the new staff.
 
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CTOkie said:
Mike Stoops' firing was a great first step. Now a greater second step is even more necessary. My guess is that by April 1st Riley will have resolved things.
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hopefully before then, Signing day is in Feb. need to have the DC early January so that he can hit the recruiting trail
 
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humblesooner said:
Problem is, the right guy could fail because he can only bring in one or two of his own. At the very most, everyone currently on staff will be granted the opportunity to interview for a position on the new staff.
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I agree. I wish all the DC candidates would hold out for staffing considerations. If a guy comes in withot any say so then he has a built in excuse.
 
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Riley’s willingness to give the new DC hire the ability to keep/dismiss whom ever the new hire wishes may well be the determining factor on who is willing to take the job. If Riley demands that xx number of D coaches must stay, it could scare off any number of viable candidates.

I saw Riley’s comments. Let’s hope he was just saying “the right thing” (maybe not scare off some unsigned recruits), and that he ultimately leaves it up to the new DC to decide.
 
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Oklabama said:
Jim Mackenzie and Bob Stoops turned it around quickly with someone else’s players. They both changed the culture immediately. So it can happen.
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Thats true, but I think Bob was actually left with quite a few good defensive players. Not sure thats the case with this bunch
 
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OUnabomber said:
Thats true, but I think Bob was actually left with quite a few good defensive players. Not sure thats the case with this bunch
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Yep, Bob inherited a good bunch but if Blake had stayed nobody would have ever known most likely. My point is the right person can come in, change the culture and get the most out the players on campus then build from there. I truly believe that. Just got to find the the right guy and let him do his thing. Jim Mackenzie absolutely made an immediate impact. Just ask any player that was on campus when he arrived. Whoever Lincoln hires needs to have complete control over the defense, IMO. With current staff or with new staff. And Happy New Year, nabomber. Boomer!
 
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Oklabama said:
Yep, Bob inherited a good bunch but if Blake had stayed nobody would have ever known most likely. My point is the right person can come in, change the culture and get the most out the players on campus then build from there. I truly believe that. Just got to find the the right guy and let him do his thing. Jim Mackenzie absolutely made an immediate impact. Just ask any player that was on campus when he arrived. Whoever Lincoln hires needs to have complete control over the defense, IMO. With current staff or with new staff. And Happy New Year, nabomber. Boomer!
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Very possible the new DC is going to need more than one offseason to get where we need to be to compete for a NC. I have no doubt he will have some talent to work with, but could take a year to find some outside talent to fills gaps and build depth. And will one spring and pre-season be enough to retrain the fundamentals of tackling technique, angles, anticipation? I hope so, but don't be shocked if there is some in-season learning curve.
 
CTOkie said:
Yeah, that would be huge, especially with OU having a few more scholarships to give. They're at 22 now.
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It stands to reason that whoever Riley is considering is still probably coaching at Alabama or Clemson if he doesn’t make an announcement before the National Championship game. So the Pete Goldling rumor is sounding like a real thing. So much so that it will probably be a complete surprise. LOL. Maybe Grinch after today’s Rose Bowl!! That would be my pick.
 
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The only two D position coaches I see needing to be replaced is Kish and Cooks. Esp Cooks, a new DC can come in and make all the right calls, but if they are not getting the proper coaching during indo time it wont matter. A new DC may be able to come in with different drills and techniques, that will help. It will be up to the position coach to accept those changes and commit to it. The Defensive practice script for this past season needs to be burned, whatever they did/didnt do wasnt working.
 
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coeSooner81 said:
The only two D position coaches I see needing to be replaced is Kish and Cooks. Esp Cooks, a new DC can come in and make all the right calls, but if they are not getting the proper coaching during indo time it wont matter. A new DC may be able to come in with different drills and techniques, that will help. It will be up to the position coach to accept those changes and commit to it. The Defensive practice script for this past season needs to be burned, whatever they did/didnt do wasnt working.
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I rather see Riley scream at the coaches sometimes rather than the players.
 
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