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Longhorn DL coach to Florida, recruits not happy

Originally posted by Plainosooner:
Originally posted by pfka_ms:

Originally posted by Plainosooner:

Originally posted by pfka_ms:
You are assuming of course that he knew Rumph was leaving. Those in the know say he didn't find out until after the SI article came out.
Since we read about it here at least a week before signing day, it's pretty safe to assume that Charlie knew about it before then.
The story from Thayer Evans broke on Thursday I believe. So and as has been posted he earned about it then. I would be interested in seeing any reports you have to the contrary. We have posted evidence of our facts, all we have see from your side is posters repeating the same psych babble hoping it will eventually be true.
The news DID NOT BREAK THURSDAY. There were posts on the premium board a week before signing day on this site. Don't give me that nonsense that Charlie didn't know. He lied. Mister Honesty lied, pure and simple. It's not uncommon. But it's number one on Charlie's list for the base of the program.
Link that he lied.

Ahh, hell, what's the difference. You morons are going to paint this picture any way you want just so you can "get back" at the Texas fans for defamation of Stoops'. People that do this elementary chit are clowns...and you are just falling in line.

Kind of disappointed in you Plaino...really am.
 
Originally posted by weevilcatch:


Link that he lied.

Ahh, hell, what's the difference. You morons are going to paint this picture any way you want just so you can "get back" at the Texas fans for defamation of Stoops'. People that do this elementary chit are clowns...and you are just falling in line.

Kind of disappointed in you Plaino...really am.
Are you Orangebloods folks able to post without name calling? Serious question. It seems to be the default when you guys have nothing else. Don't act like the tummers and scholzes weevil. You're better than that.

And are you really surprised that us Sooner fans aren't drinking the burnt orange koolaid? Charlie Strong is the guy who made a public spectacle about his "core values," as if he's the only coach on the planet to have them, so you'll have to forgive us that we are discussing what appears to be an overt and planned violation of Core Value #1. Had Charlie not been so ridiculously outspoken about his "core values," we probably wouldn't have even noticed this episode of dishonesty.
 
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Originally posted by Medic007:
Originally posted by weevilcatch:


Link that he lied.

Ahh, hell, what's the difference. You morons are going to paint this picture any way you want just so you can "get back" at the Texas fans for defamation of Stoops'. People that do this elementary chit are clowns...and you are just falling in line.

Kind of disappointed in you Plaino...really am.
Are you Orangebloods folks able to post without name calling? Serious question. It seems to be the default when you guys have nothing else. Don't act like the tummers and scholzes weevil. You're better than that.

And are you really surprised that us Sooner fans aren't drinking the burnt orange koolaid? Charlie Strong is the guy who made a public spectacle about his "core values," as if he's the only coach on the planet to have them, so you'll have to forgive us that we are discussing what appears to be an overt and planned violation of Core Value #1. Had Charlie not been so ridiculously outspoken about his "core values," we probably wouldn't have even noticed this episode of dishonesty.
Is a mod able to post without breaking the board rules?

You're a good dude and poster, but you're wrong with this thread. Just as wrong as the OB thread about Stoops...
 
And sorry for the "moron" and "clown" comments. That isn't usually my desire, but these kinds of threads frustrate me. The Longhorn Crazy thread isn't as frustrating (obviously I'm not an OU fan) but still frustrating just the same.
 
Originally posted by weevilcatch:


Originally posted by Medic007:

Originally posted by weevilcatch:


Link that he lied.

Ahh, hell, what's the difference. You morons are going to paint this picture any way you want just so you can "get back" at the Texas fans for defamation of Stoops'. People that do this elementary chit are clowns...and you are just falling in line.

Kind of disappointed in you Plaino...really am.
Are you Orangebloods folks able to post without name calling? Serious question. It seems to be the default when you guys have nothing else. Don't act like the tummers and scholzes weevil. You're better than that.

And are you really surprised that us Sooner fans aren't drinking the burnt orange koolaid? Charlie Strong is the guy who made a public spectacle about his "core values," as if he's the only coach on the planet to have them, so you'll have to forgive us that we are discussing what appears to be an overt and planned violation of Core Value #1. Had Charlie not been so ridiculously outspoken about his "core values," we probably wouldn't have even noticed this episode of dishonesty.
Is a mod able to post without breaking the board rules?

You're a good dude and poster, but you're wrong with this thread. Just as wrong as the OB thread about Stoops...
weevil, I guess I'm missing how this thread breaks this board's rules. I posted a link to a story from a UT slanted site that contained tweets from the recruits themselves about feeling like they were lied to. Looking at how things unfolded, I can see where they felt that way. Is it possible Strong had absolutely no clue? Sure, but highly doubtful in my opinion. Others posting in this thread obviously share that same opinion.

I posted it because of the "core values" nonsense Strong was so public with last year. I'm a fan of "core values," but his public spectacle was a little nauseating. If he wasn't honest in this situation, he's a hypocrite. If he's a hypocrite, it will catch up to him. He's the guy that made things so public. It is fodder for Sooner fans at this point and it is being discussed here and on plenty of other Sooner slanted boards. That's just the nature. But I don't think anybody posting in this thread has gone to the level of being absurd or gross about it.

As for the other stuff, you know you're good in my book. Just had to do my duty...
 
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Well there are a couple things that no matter what I say or Horn fan can say...

1. Core Value Charlie had to institute a vocal, documented, and demonstrative discussions of his core values becasue the program was in shambles.

2. A UT recruit felt extremely betrayed by his recruiting coach, his Head Coach & UT in general to the point to take it to social media levels and openly state it.

You just can't spin this. It happened. Deal with it. Don't kill the messenger.
 
Originally posted by Plainosooner:
Originally posted by pfka_ms:

Originally posted by Plainosooner:

Originally posted by pfka_ms:
You are assuming of course that he knew Rumph was leaving. Those in the know say he didn't find out until after the SI article came out.
Since we read about it here at least a week before signing day, it's pretty safe to assume that Charlie knew about it before then.
The story from Thayer Evans broke on Thursday I believe. So and as has been posted he earned about it then. I would be interested in seeing any reports you have to the contrary. We have posted evidence of our facts, all we have see from your side is posters repeating the same psych babble hoping it will eventually be true.
The news DID NOT BREAK THURSDAY. There were posts on the premium board a week before signing day on this site. Don't give me that nonsense that Charlie didn't know. He lied. Mister Honesty lied, pure and simple. It's not uncommon. But it's number one on Charlie's list for the base of the program.
Then provide a link I'm a member of the CC I check it all the time. And I never saw it.
 
Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:
Well there are a couple things that no matter what I say or Horn fan can say...

1. Core Value Charlie had to institute a vocal, documented, and demonstrative discussions of his core values becasue the program was in shambles.

2. A UT recruit felt extremely betrayed by his recruiting coach, his Head Coach & UT in general to the point to take it to social media levels and openly state it.

You just can't spin this. It happened. Deal with it. Don't kill the messenger.
The recruit in question, having chilled for a couple hours followed up with the following. No spin necessary, the kid felt burnt, thought about it and responded as follows. The only thing you were right about is that the program was in shambles, but with classes like this we should be on the road to recovery. After going 6-7, this is one hell of a class. Looks like everyone is over it but you.



Feb 6

Ya'll dont worry me & #HookEm



Feb 6

Already know coach strong gone hire someone thats can coach and push me! Cant wait to meet him
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Originally posted by Medic007:
"This is the first year social media has really blown up in the recruiting world. Try to keep up"

Not sure providing you a link will help you much pfka. Since you appear to be about a decade behind, would you know what to do with a link? Does your TI-99 recognize html and whatnot?
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Translated: I don't have a link because one never existed. I Googled Chris Rumph Florida and nothing on this subject exists before the SI article.

A decade behind? That's damn funny since I work in the industry and have for years. One day I might give you a tutorial on social media and Master Data Management, you would be amazed.
 
You work in the industry and you're standing by this?

"This is the first year social media has really blown up in the recruiting world. Try to keep up"

I no longer wonder why nobody on this board takes you seriously. I'm sure you would "amaze" me with your knowledge, but I'll pass on your data lesson. I've already been been thoroughly "amazed" by you on this thread alone.
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Originally posted by pfka_ms:
Blah blah..... You sign to play for a school, not a coach.....
I call BS.

You wanna tell me that all these recruiting battles Texas A&M is winning against you guys is because these kids suddenly believe all those "Championsips" they fresh posted on their stadium???

Are they recruiting better against you because all of a sudden College Station is a more storied and respected football program?

i suppose the success Nick Saban had at LSU was just coincidence right?
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Originally posted by Medic007:
You work in the industry and you're standing by this?

"This is the first year social media has really blown up in the recruiting world. Try to keep up"

I no longer wonder why nobody on this board takes you seriously. I'm sure you would "amaze" me with your knowledge, but I'll pass on your data lesson. I've already been been thoroughly "amazed" by you on this thread alone.
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Recruiting and recruits on social media took off this year like no other before, but there is no sense in trying to debate that with a fan and/or fan base that has already shown they have an agenda, an uninformed one at that. As is the norm on this site, I have been outnumbered, but clearly not outsmarted. Did you find that link yet? Yeah, I didn't think so. Don't waste your time looking, it doesn't exist. But you knew that, you just didn't think anyone would hold your feet to the fire on it. No sense me posting on this thread again until you post some sort of proof to your accusation.

Peace out and Hook 'Em!
 
Originally posted by pfka_ms:

Originally posted by Medic007:
You work in the industry and you're standing by this?

"This is the first year social media has really blown up in the recruiting world. Try to keep up"

I no longer wonder why nobody on this board takes you seriously. I'm sure you would "amaze" me with your knowledge, but I'll pass on your data lesson. I've already been been thoroughly "amazed" by you on this thread alone.

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Recruiting and recruits on social media took off this year like no other before

Uh, you might revisit that attempt to revise history. Google can be your friend. The social media phenomenon in college football recruiting has been written about extensively in the media for more than 3 years now.

but there is no sense in trying to debate that with a fan and/or fan base that has already shown they have an agenda, an uninformed one at that.

Are you lost? It's an OU message board. Surprise!

As is the norm on this site, I have been outnumbered, but clearly not outsmarted.

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Recruiting and recruits on social media took off this year. You outsmarted yourself.

Did you find that link yet? Yeah, I didn't think so. Don't waste your time looking, it doesn't exist. But you knew that, you just didn't think anyone would hold your feet to the fire on it.

Please point me to any point in this thread I mentioned anything other than the link I posted and have commented on. Ooops, outsmarted yourself again. If you think somebody owes you a link, respond to them.

No sense me posting on this thread again until you post some sort of proof to your accusation.

I already posted proof of my accusation that Core Values Charlie was dishonest. It's from recruits themselves and in my initial link. Try to keep up.

Peace out and Hook 'Em!

Back at ya pfka, except the hook em part.
 
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pfkams... if you believe that Strong did not know about his coach leaving... you clearly have been outsmarted.
 
Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:
pfkams... if you believe that Strong did not know about his coach leaving... you clearly have been outsmarted.
Huh? You say that as if you know for certain, that Strong knew. Where is your for certain proof? Why is it so hard to believe, that Rumph DID tell Strong, that he turned the job down. You're making assumptions, that you want to be true, nothing more. How does pfka, not believing in your assumptions, lead to him being outsmarted? That's asinine.
 
I've never flown in space to personally see the round of the earth, but I do believe it is round.

Now go back to sticking your head in the sand. It appears there's stuff that you can't handle.
 
There was speculation about Rumph on Crimson Corner the last week of January. I don't think that would show up on a google search.
 
According to ESPN, Texas had the #9 recruiting class.

That DL coach told Lampkin he wasn't leaving Texas, according to Lampkin's tweet.

Funny how Lampkin was rumored to be a flip to OU and tweeting 24/7 about so many recruiting fodders.

Rumph flipped on Lampkin instead.
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Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:
I've never flown in space to personally see the round of the earth, but I do believe it is round.

Now go back to sticking your head in the sand. It appears there's stuff that you can't handle.
That weak analogy, changes nothing. That is not close to being the same. If you think it is, then that explains everything.
 
There is no way strong would have lied to the kid. The kid was signed and strong though rumph would stay.



In the few days since National Signing Day, coaches from Ohio State, LSU, UCLA, Notre Dame, Miami, Arkansas, and Florida have bolted for the NFL. The Irish, in fact, have already parted with three assistants since Wednesday. A defensive coordinator at North Carolina was fired, and the one at TCU retired.

The cycle goes on and on. Rumph left because Terrell Williams landed a job with the Miami Dolphins one month into his stint at Florida. So Texas will have to replace him with some other coach who has most likely made promises to other players.

"That's the nature of the business," Omenihu said. "When you look at it and take the emotions out of it, all of this is really a business."

Omenihu, a 6-foot-5 defensive end out of Rowlett, Texas, had heard whispers Florida was interested in Rumph when new Florida head coach Jim McElwain was hired in December. But Rumph stayed put and Williams took the gig.

Crisis averted, right? Omenihu had only taken one other official visit (Arizona State) and didn't exactly have a backup plan in case his position coach bailed. He was all-in on Rumph, fired up to play for the man who had developed a combined 14 NFL draft picks at Clemson and Alabama.

Rumph proved himself to be a fiery teacher, a sage mentor and a relentless recruiter at Texas. He also had a four-year deal. Omenihu and his fellow future Longhorns had no reason to worry.

Then the reports leaked on Thursday morning. Williams to Miami. Rumph to Florida. Almost a done deal. Omenihu reached out to Rumph. No answer. So he got in touch with defensive coordinator Vance Bedford and, soon after, Charlie Strong.

Strong's words were reassuring. He had spoken with Rumph about the opening on Wednesday. Rumph had said he wasn't taking it. By Friday afternoon, Rumph was gone. Omenihu, of course, found out from his Twitter feed.

"I was shocked, to be honest," he said.

Du'Vonta Lampkin was angry. The Texas defensive tackle signee logged onto Twitter and vented when he heard the news.


Considering he had flirted with flipping to Oklahoma late in his recruiting process, Lampkin's frustration was understandable. The kid must have felt tricked.

These newly signed recruits have no reasonable recourse, either. Even if Lampkin wanted to go to Oklahoma, he would have to sit out 2015 and forfeit a year of eligibility. The NLI locks him and all his peers into a brutally one-sided deal.

That's why elite recruits like CeCe Jefferson and Roquan Smith have every right to hold out. On signing day, Jefferson picked Florida and Smith chose UCLA on ESPN. Neither have made it official. Jefferson found out Williams was leaving Florida. Smith didn't fax after learning Bruins defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrich was leaving for the Atlanta Falcons.

"They expect us to stay loyal to the school," Omenihu said, "but they don't."

Rumph's reason for leaving isn't typical. He would have made more money by staying. The native of South Carolina moved on for family reasons. At Texas, he was 20 hours from family. At Florida, he'll only be four and a half hours away.

Had Rumph moved on in December, Omenihu says he would have decommitted and faced "a much harder decision" while waiting to see who took Rumph's place. Now that he's signed, all he and Lampkin can do is hope for the best.

"I'm comfortable with the rest of the staff, and I'm pretty sure they'll bring in a good defensive line coach," Omenihu said. "I'll make sure to ask all my questions."

The one question that isn't getting asked: What happens next year?

If the recommended early signing date of Dec. 16 gains approval this summer, this frustrating and increasingly accepted trend of post-NSD departures promises to worsen. The majority of coaching changes do occur after that date.

Coaches will compel recruits to sign as soon as possible. It's their job. Until it's not.

"If we leave, we're questioned to the highest regard," Omenihu said. "If they leave, it's just the business."

Business is once again booming, just in time for everyone but the signees to get what they want.



https://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/95908/recruits-get-raw-deal-with-late-coaching-changes
This post was edited on 2/9 9:25 AM by madcow12
 
Could any of you Horns get me the proper email I'll need to attempt to get myself un-perma-banned from your home board?

It's been 5 years. I need some good back and forth for the offseason.
 
Originally posted by Plainosooner:

Since we read about it here at least a week before signing day, it's pretty safe to assume that Charlie knew about it before then.
Show me where it was discussed here a week before signing day.

Basically, you're saying that Strong anticipated that the Miami Dolphin job was going to open up, which means Gator coach was going to fill that position, leading to Rumph filling the Gator position, all before signing day, and Strong knew all along.

Did anyone even bother to check when the Dolphins job became open???
 
Originally posted by TexShoe:
Originally posted by Plainosooner:

Since we read about it here at least a week before signing day, it's pretty safe to assume that Charlie knew about it before then.
Show me where it was discussed here a week before signing day.

Basically, you're saying that Strong anticipated that the Miami Dolphin job was going to open up, which means Gator coach was going to fill that position, leading to Rumph filling the Gator position, all before signing day, and Strong knew all along.

Did anyone even bother to check when the Dolphins job became open???
Shoe, he's correct. There was a thread discussion on the Crimson Corner. If this info made to that web addy, somebody, somewhere knew the goods on him. It's mind boggling that some of you guys are beginning to follow Strong like you did Mack in that he can do no wrong. Do as you wish, but it's going to hurt all over again one day for repeating the same stuff.
 
Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:


Originally posted by TexShoe:

Originally posted by Plainosooner:

Since we read about it here at least a week before signing day, it's pretty safe to assume that Charlie knew about it before then.
Show me where it was discussed here a week before signing day.

Basically, you're saying that Strong anticipated that the Miami Dolphin job was going to open up, which means Gator coach was going to fill that position, leading to Rumph filling the Gator position, all before signing day, and Strong knew all along.

Did anyone even bother to check when the Dolphins job became open???
Shoe, he's correct. There was a thread discussion on the Crimson Corner. If this info made to that web addy, somebody, somewhere knew the goods on him. It's mind boggling that some of you guys are beginning to follow Strong like you did Mack in that he can do no wrong. Do as you wish, but it's going to hurt all over again one day for repeating the same stuff.
it is in the article about whispers in December. But saying Strong purposely lied to the recruits shows you have as much proof that he did as I say he didn't. There is enough out there though to show strong thought rumph was staying, and even told lampkin that he was going to stay then rumph jumped ship. It is what it is, and it will always be like this, that is the tough part of playing football so these guys better get used to it. It happens in the NFL also where players bond with a coach and they up and leave.



Omenihu, a 6-foot-5 defensive end out of Rowlett, Texas, had heard whispers Florida was interested in Rumph when new Florida head coach Jim McElwain was hired in December. But Rumph stayed put and Williams took the gig.
 
Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:

Shoe, he's correct. There was a thread discussion on the Crimson Corner. If this info made to that web addy, somebody, somewhere knew the goods on him. It's mind boggling that some of you guys are beginning to follow Strong like you did Mack in that he can do no wrong. Do as you wish, but it's going to hurt all over again one day for repeating the same stuff.
Specifically about Chris Rumph looking at another position but it somehow it never made it to the Texas blogshere? You guys will convince yourself that Strong knew all along and he lied to
himself and the recruits to secure the signature and then put up an angry show for the media
afterwards to protect himself. I don't see how that's possible when the Miami job wasn't even open on signing day. Rumph was the 3rd domino to fall.

As far as the slobbering loyalty part, that's what makes us fans right? We will believe and defend those that deliver for us. We did that for Mack, just as you guys did that for Bob Stoops. But look at how quickly we turned on Mack, just as some of your fans are turning on Stoops a little.

In Strong's case, I do believe he him practices what he preaches, because he's had a history of doing just that and it's what he's known for. Have you ever heard of anyone call him a snake oil salesman? As for his staff, I don't know how you would handle a situation like this. When is it a good time to leave a program? The coaching carousel never stops spinning. In today's environment, do you ever stop recruiting? We fans are loyal to the program but all coaches are mercenaries. This is their job. It's a paycheck. Also, what if in 2 years, Strong turns in another 6-7 year and gets himself and the rest of the staff canned. What then?

This stuff happens every single year, sometimes multiple times a year. Schools will just hire some other slick talking salesman to charm these 17 year olds for their services. It's the charming sport that we all signed up for.

Next lesson: the hypocrisy of the term "student athlete" and the irony of "athletic scholarship".
 
All WNAS reported was that some Longhorn recruits were unhappy that two days after signing day, a coach rumored to have been leaving, as you say, in December, did indeed leave. It is ludicrous to think that they didn't ask this question before signing day. Even more disingenuous that you'd think that this same week as signing day change of coach address wasn't already determined before signing day. And just as absurd that Charlie didn't know.

You Horns really believe that? Really!!

How is it that OU posters on an OU premium site are discussing this in relation to the recruit that both are interested in, and Charlie was unaware. The credibility of any of you guys in orange tee shirts was never great around here, but if you're pushing this as having any possible basis in truth, that it wasn't known in the Longhorn football offices, and that Lampkin among others didn't specifically ask, then you must really think that the rest of us are almost as gullible as Lampkin was.

Hint: We aren't.
 
Weevil & Shoe, believe as you wish. I really don't care to be honest. But there was indeed an angry UT recruit that went to the social media ave to vent his frustrations. Strong may have calmed him down but going forward, Strong's printed core values has taken a hit. HS Coaches & future recruits watched this play out. It was ugly and a UT recruit completely believes he was lied to.

It's dirty and it is what it is. Before it's all said & done, Strong will take a few more hits. It always happens when one speaks w/ props instead of actions.
 
Originally posted by Plainosooner:
All WNAS reported was that some Longhorn recruits were unhappy that two days after signing day, a coach rumored to have been leaving, as you say, in December, did indeed leave. It is ludicrous to think that they didn't ask this question before signing day. Even more disingenuous that you'd think that this same week as signing day change of coach address wasn't already determined before signing day. And just as absurd that Charlie didn't know.

You Horns really believe that? Really!!

How is it that OU posters on an OU premium site are discussing this in relation to the recruit that both are interested in, and Charlie was unaware. The credibility of any of you guys in orange tee shirts was never great around here, but if you're pushing this as having any possible basis in truth, that it wasn't known in the Longhorn football offices, and that Lampkin among others didn't specifically ask, then you must really think that the rest of us are almost as gullible as Lampkin was.

Hint: We aren't.
So you're hypothesizing that the recruit asked Strong point-blank if one of his coaches was leaving or looking to leave and Strong made some kind of crazy claim that non of his coaches will ever leave. The recruit believed this claim and he's now pissed. Again, I would love to read what was discussed in December regarding Rumph's leaving.

First of all, I'm curious when there were whispers of Rumph leaving back in December. Where was he going? Was there a vacancy anywhere? Second of all, what's the right answer? "No son, I will be here as a position coach for the rest of my natural life"? Is that a reasonable answer? If a more suitable position became open, he's not supposed to look at it? Of the new coaches OU just hired, how many players did they leave behind? Is that fan base losing their shit over it? How about poor Trevor Knight? Is he having a meltdown that his position coach, the guy that was his chief recruiter just left? Who's the liar in this scenario?

I understand that the recruits are disappointed that the guy that recruited him is taking a different position and now he has to work with someone else. But these day in age, is it reasonable to expect a coaching staff to stay together for 5-10 years? Is there ever a good time to leave that you're not leaving somebody behind? From Strong's standpoint, do you think he wanted to lose Rumph?

I know in your world Plaino, everyone is constantly out to get you. After all, you remind us that OU faces at least one crooked ref EVERRY SINGLE GAME, regardless of sport. But even with this debilitatingly insecure mindset, this is a new lows.
 
Originally posted by TexShoe:

I know in your world Plaino, everyone is constantly out to get you. After all, you remind us that OU faces at least one crooked ref EVERRY SINGLE GAME, regardless of sport. But even with this debilitatingly insecure mindset, this is a new lows.
That's why I laughed at his post. I can't even take him serious...he is mr. conspiracy theory.
 
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