that OU would never win another National Championship with Bob Stoops as head coach. Part of that was because I thought Bob would not replace his brother as an assistant. Now I say that Lincoln Riley will never win a National Championship with Mike Stoops coaching at OU.
I will say it. Two years ago I posted
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Well that's the $64k question. And it may take a few hires, but sitting on our ass year end and year out won't help matters.
LR needs to decide what d he wants to run and go with it. He also needs to tell make it is his way or the highway and if he doesn't step up he will be replaced as the D.C.. He needs to remove mike as the D.C. this week.
Mike Stoops is sucking the life out of OU. it's just so exhausting watching his defensive schemes. How can he sleep at night.
More confusion than what we're witnessing now?
We are no longer an attack defense. Just sit back on our heels and watch plays unfold. Then feel the sting of 30 plus points. Mike Stoops in press box having seizures and brain farts. Someone needs to revoke his Stoops hall pass...
Riley will never ever fire Mike Stoops. He feels like he owes this job to Bob and now way will he ever fire his brother. Sooner nation will just have to be very vocal about it so that Mike will have no choice but to resign.
Riley won't fire him during the season. If he is let go at the end of the season I will be surprised. Hope I am wrong. After Baylor I knew we were in trouble and would not make the playoffs. After today I don't see this team even competing for the big 12 title. I used to enjoy watching OU play but watching Mike Stoops defenses makes me so frustrated that I don't enjoy it anymore and I turned it off at halftime and ran some errands. Thanks Mike Stoops for ruining OU Football for me. There has to be someone out there that OU could get that is better, it wouldn't take much to do a better job than he does. Its as if he goes out of his way to eff it up. The sad part for me is that today I stopped caring. May not even watch another CFB game the rest of the season. And no I am not a fairweather fan just sick and tired of the hype every year only to be let down time after time. What happened to We 2 Deep? What happened to all the smack talk? What happened to so called best offensive line in the Country? Different year, same old shit. Oh well.
You have absolutely no proof whatsoever that what you have said here is true as to how Riley feels/thinks.
What do you want a handwritten letter from Riley stating such? Mike isn't going anywhere unless Mike chooses to leave. My guess is the d will improve just enough for him to justify his existence and we'll do this whole thing over again next year
Again, what's your proof? How do you know this? You just sound like a very frustrated fan.
Where is your proof he does not know? You just sound like a frustrated troll.
Where is your proof that Riley would indeed fire Mike? Stoops has had several major meltdowns as DC and somehow he is still around. I don't see Riley as being someone willing to pull that trigger unless we just totally implode.
I disagree. Fire him now. Send a message to recruits and also to the players. Look... this team has given 79 its in two games to and 0-3 Baylor and a 3rd string QB in Norman. Fire his ass tonight. He's gotta go.
The two glaring issues I see with Mike's defenses for the past several years:
1) Lack of and/or ineffective in-game adjustments. If Mike dials up the right game plan before a game and there are no in-game surprises, I like our odds. Game plan not working, certain CBs getting beat, blitz not getting there, look out. This week and to some point last week, the QBs that got rolled out there had little/no game film on them. We never made effective adjustments.
2) Lack of player development. How many defensive players are being taken high in the NFL draft, or in the draft at all? Compare that to the offense. Not saying this is apples to apples or the one and only metric. However with our recruiting classes, we should have far more NFL quality defensive players by the time they leave Owen Field.
With a playoff spot still technically within reach, now is not the time to get rid of Mike Stoops. If we lose next week, that door may begin to open.
1) Lack of and/or ineffective in-game adjustments. If Mike dials up the right game plan before a game and there are no in-game surprises, I like our odds. Game plan not working, certain CBs getting beat, blitz not getting there, look out. This week and to some point last week, the QBs that got rolled out there had little/no game film on them. We never made effective adjustments.
2) Lack of player development. How many defensive players are being taken high in the NFL draft, or in the draft at all? Compare that to the offense. Not saying this is apples to apples or the one and only metric. However with our recruiting classes, we should have far more NFL quality defensive players by the time they leave Owen Field.
With a playoff spot still technically within reach, now is not the time to get rid of Mike Stoops. If we lose next week, that door may begin to open.
What is so frustrating is to hear Baker and Riley say after the game that we have been in this situation before and we know what we have to do now. If you know what to do after such a loss then why can't you figure out how to prevent it?
The only time this team seems to have any fire is if they feel they are being disrespected like before tosu game and when their backs are against a wall ie a loss to a team they should have beaten. Why does it always take a bad loss to motivate this team?
Hearing Mike Stoops say time after time we just need to make plays or they made plays and we didn't has gotten so old it makes me want to puke hearing it again.
Both Riley and Baker said they need to put teams away and not give them confidence. Did the Baylor game not teach them anything? You could almost hear Baker blaming the defense when he said that but the offense did little to help win the game in the second half. Deep breath and let it sink in...........................IOWA STATE
The only time this team seems to have any fire is if they feel they are being disrespected like before tosu game and when their backs are against a wall ie a loss to a team they should have beaten. Why does it always take a bad loss to motivate this team?
Hearing Mike Stoops say time after time we just need to make plays or they made plays and we didn't has gotten so old it makes me want to puke hearing it again.
Both Riley and Baker said they need to put teams away and not give them confidence. Did the Baylor game not teach them anything? You could almost hear Baker blaming the defense when he said that but the offense did little to help win the game in the second half. Deep breath and let it sink in...........................IOWA STATE
Tough loss and like everyone else I am very frustrated with Mike Stoops. This guy has been nothing but an achilles heel to this program for quite a few years now and as I stated earlier and many times he can not be trusted to run the defense.
Outside of the fact Bob was loyal to his brother he made changes that had to be made with that one exception. Mike continues to be OUs missing piece and until they make a move to remove him I am not sure we will ever see our Sooners win another NC.
Just imagine what Tech, OSU, TCU, and WV may do to this D. Texas may very well also rip his rear this next Saturday. I am sick that some fans actually stick up for this guy. Every year he puts on 2-3 good D game plans but the rest you just sit back and think " I sure hope we can outscore these guys".
Blame goes also to the defensive players because quite frankly I think they lack that "I am going to make you hurt" mentality. They seem to always be out of place and cant tackle worth a crap. Bottom line is I am
tired of seeing this kind of effort from the D yearly. I truely miss the great OU Ds of the 70s, 80s and the early ones under Bob.
Yes offenses have evolved but Mikes defenses continue to get worse and that is why number 8 may never come for many of us. Cant stand Saben but he wouldn't have put up with this crap.
Outside of the fact Bob was loyal to his brother he made changes that had to be made with that one exception. Mike continues to be OUs missing piece and until they make a move to remove him I am not sure we will ever see our Sooners win another NC.
Just imagine what Tech, OSU, TCU, and WV may do to this D. Texas may very well also rip his rear this next Saturday. I am sick that some fans actually stick up for this guy. Every year he puts on 2-3 good D game plans but the rest you just sit back and think " I sure hope we can outscore these guys".
Blame goes also to the defensive players because quite frankly I think they lack that "I am going to make you hurt" mentality. They seem to always be out of place and cant tackle worth a crap. Bottom line is I am
tired of seeing this kind of effort from the D yearly. I truely miss the great OU Ds of the 70s, 80s and the early ones under Bob.
Yes offenses have evolved but Mikes defenses continue to get worse and that is why number 8 may never come for many of us. Cant stand Saben but he wouldn't have put up with this crap.
It's a sign of mental weakness. They are in this situation again cuz they didn't know how to handle business NOT being in this situation. Not knowing how to handle success. It's the classic mentality they have to have their backs against the wall or have something to prove in order to maintain their motivation and intensity.
I've said it in a post a few days earlier, that if Riley & Baker do not put up 50 points a game, OU loses.
lol lol I am the one frustrated? Look at the posts in this thread as well as yours. I don't have a dog in the hunt. Time you dudes chill out. Lincoln RIley has forgotten more football than many of you and your comrades will ever know combined.
Where is your proof that Lincoln has forgotten so much about football and he is only in his 30s??
Im guessing your an Iowa fan from the way you have been riding LASooners ass. If so what the hell would you know about championship football. We are all dissapointed in what happened Saturday and no one is wanting LR gone but yes we want the dirtbag MS gone.
This has nothing to do with Bob either but everything to do with MS who continues to put out shitty defenses. For the record we only have one resident poster I know of who thinks they know more about the game than coaches do.
Frydaze logic...
IU > ISU > OU > tOSU, therefore IU > tOSU
We used to have a few more board coaches that thought they were better than others including the OU coaches. But they were eventually fired as well.
I would have no problem with dumping Mike Stoops today. I just don't see how anybody could do any worse than he has. Heck I'd take the job, and if the defense doesn't play better next week I would quit. I understand that I only coach high school football, but there is no way in heck I'm lining up 15 yards away from the wide receivers and allowing them to continue to run bubble screens all day long.
Such a lame ass argument to always blame the Coordinators every time you lose, or the Head Coach. Typical F-A-N. Congratulations!
Like Hayden Fry has so famously said, "As coaches, listen to the fans, and eventually you'll be sitting among them."
1st... Good win for the Cyclones, they have reason to be enjoying their Sunday morning.
2nd..Cool story bro. Hope he didn't hurt himself holding all those trophies when he said it.
Is it not the DC job to put a good game plan in place. You think laying off receievers 7-10 yards is a good game plan? Sometimes critism is deserved and we have seen this crap for years now
I know what MS and the rest of the defensive staff and players were thinking.
We have a 3rd string QB, that hasn't started a game since HS. He hasn't played a meaningful snap in CFB. We'll make him try and beat us with his arm and take away the run. Semi sound strategy. But the best way to make a QB with a average to below average arm make mistakes. Confuses him, make him rush, disguise coverage and blitz his ass. Get hands up, show blitz and stay with it. Show zone and delay blitz. Squeeze the gap Galimore was taking a double. When they brought in #7, go big with the big uglies and stuff the run. Paterson would have ran a 4-2-5 with #7, and a 3-4-5 with 3rd string. We tried a 3 man front but without Lampkin. We needed both Galimore and Lampkin upfront on every 3 man front. But bring the house, sometimes. Sellout and make an average inexperienced QB beat you. Instead we played soft and "hoped" for errant throws. Force mistake, don't plan or hope for them.
One of the biggest problems, our are 2 LB's, lack of experience, in calling the front set. Evans was horrible most of last year but he knew, the defense calls. Our guys are not there.....yet.
We have a 3rd string QB, that hasn't started a game since HS. He hasn't played a meaningful snap in CFB. We'll make him try and beat us with his arm and take away the run. Semi sound strategy. But the best way to make a QB with a average to below average arm make mistakes. Confuses him, make him rush, disguise coverage and blitz his ass. Get hands up, show blitz and stay with it. Show zone and delay blitz. Squeeze the gap Galimore was taking a double. When they brought in #7, go big with the big uglies and stuff the run. Paterson would have ran a 4-2-5 with #7, and a 3-4-5 with 3rd string. We tried a 3 man front but without Lampkin. We needed both Galimore and Lampkin upfront on every 3 man front. But bring the house, sometimes. Sellout and make an average inexperienced QB beat you. Instead we played soft and "hoped" for errant throws. Force mistake, don't plan or hope for them.
One of the biggest problems, our are 2 LB's, lack of experience, in calling the front set. Evans was horrible most of last year but he knew, the defense calls. Our guys are not there.....yet.
I don't think Riley has any other choice then for Mike to voluntarily resign or fire him. If he doesn't then I think most OU fans will simply turn their attention to Lincoln. What I hope is that after OU plays it's last game of the 2017 season [or bowl game makes a change] and bring in someone new. I've given up on Mike. Don't think there is any logic that one could use to believe that another year will Mike will turn it around.
I watched what he was doing yesterday totally confused what we were doing. We can't cover and Mike sits on his butt and doesn't even try to get any pressure on the back up ISU QB. I only remember one time that he blitzed. I think he has totally taken Kelly out of the game with his tinkering with him trying to fit him here and then there.
I'm not a coach. However, I would have put Mann and Ward on the ends with Gallimore and Lampkin in the middle and turned Obo loose on the passer. Just do anything other than sit in that 3 - 4 and allow your coverage to disintegrate with time for the QB to find an open target. I would have set Jordan Parker on the bench and played either one of the two young CBs behind Parker.
I also hope that if Riley does make a change he goes outside to find his DC and keep Ruffin where he is.
With $1,000,000 Riley can buy him a good DC.
I watched what he was doing yesterday totally confused what we were doing. We can't cover and Mike sits on his butt and doesn't even try to get any pressure on the back up ISU QB. I only remember one time that he blitzed. I think he has totally taken Kelly out of the game with his tinkering with him trying to fit him here and then there.
I'm not a coach. However, I would have put Mann and Ward on the ends with Gallimore and Lampkin in the middle and turned Obo loose on the passer. Just do anything other than sit in that 3 - 4 and allow your coverage to disintegrate with time for the QB to find an open target. I would have set Jordan Parker on the bench and played either one of the two young CBs behind Parker.
I also hope that if Riley does make a change he goes outside to find his DC and keep Ruffin where he is.
With $1,000,000 Riley can buy him a good DC.
You don't have a dog in the hunt? Yours has been barking the loudest at posters since the loss yesterday. I get the impression you don't follow your own advice much if at all.
First. did you ever play football? You ever won anything other than watching a game from the stands?
Second, I'm assuming you are a "tavern" Sooner who never even went to school there. You clowns are a dime a dozen.
Most of us are over it but keep right on being an asshat.
Don't forget; Ferentz and the hawx are now 10-9 vs the Clones in the 'Ferentz era'
Don't forget; Ferentz and the hawx are now 10-9 vs the Clones in the 'Ferentz era'
You're far from over it iasooner. You will get ambushed about this for years. Again, did you ever attend OU or are you a "tavern" Sooner fan? My guess is I have as close of an afiliation to OU as you do.
Not that's any of your business but one of my best friends from HS in Tulsa went & got his degree from OU in the late 70's. I didn't but spent lots of time there while single. When I married and transplanted to IA I finished my degree @ UNI. I was in the dome the night that Eldon Miller & the Panthers knocked off the ranked hawx & Dr. Tom who was a great BB coach @ iowa who got a raw deal, imo.
