Great Article to read

[Soonerborn59]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5839104/2024/10/12/oklahoma-texas-brent-vaneables-michael-hawkins/

Here is part of it below and it is dead on.

It’s Year 3, and Venables still doesn’t appear to have an understanding of his Oklahoma program or the situation the Sooners find themselves in. One early fourth-down decision wouldn’t have flipped what became a 34-3 loss, but field goals were never going to beat Texas.

It’s unacceptable for a program like Oklahoma to be in this position at this point in a coach’s tenure, with zero answers on offense, a leaky offensive line and a messy quarterback situation of their own making.

For the second time in three years, Venables’ Oklahoma team was blown out by the Longhorns and failed to score a touchdown. That never happened under Lincoln Riley. It never happened under Bob Stoops. It happened once to John Blake, and he was fired at the end of that season. From 1965 to 2021, Oklahoma scored three or fewer points against its Red River rivals just once. It has now happened twice under Venables.

 

[Soonerborn59]

Oklahoma football suffers 'horrible' loss to Texas: How social media reacted

Here's how people on social media reacted to Oklahoma football's 34-3 loss to Texas on Saturday.

sports.yahoo.com

Social Media stuff.

 

[Soonerborn59]

Brent Venables reacts to offensive performance in loss to Texas

Brent Venables gives his thoughts on Oklahoma's offensive showing against Texas at the Cotton Bowl.

www.saturdaydownsouth.com

 

[Soonerborn59]

Below is from CBS Sports. ​

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Oklahoma's problems run deep​

The Sooners made a major quarterback change, slotting true freshman Michael Hawkins Jr. into the lineup. But after the blowout loss to Texas, Oklahoma's problems are just getting started. OU allowed 11 tackles for loss and five sacks in the loss as the offensive line completely failed to handle the Texas rush. The running backs combined for 55 yards. No receivers created much of anything after the catch. Offensive coordinator Seth Littrell dialed up lots of motion and quarterback movement to try and give the offense a little life, but the pieces just aren't there for Oklahoma to compete in this league.

 

[OUSOONER67]

Sad truth is OU is in bad shape and there is no quick fix. 2 blowout losses to Texass in 3 yrs is enough for me to say bye to Brent, add in all the other crap and if up to me he would be gone at seasons end and zero assistants would be retained but it will never happen. I didn't like the hire from day one and let it be known but was hopeful I would be proven wrong, he just aint it. I also would like to see Bob have less of a finger in the program. I blame him mostly for this mess, the bringing back of Mike Stoops, hiring Riley then Riley taking over after Bobs retirement and now Venables, both of which I think Bob pushed for.

Not that what I think matters but its what I think anyway.

 

[trademarcs]

There will be no rebuild as long as the portal and NIL have free reign. The programs willing to put up big money are still going to attract the best players available. The portal will catch all the players that want playing time they didn’t get each season. You can’t build anything cohesive and we aren’t the only ones having to deal with this. Until the portal and NIL have some dam rules to follow like transfer restrictions and a NIL cap……this is what you get. The whole thing just came about while we were weak and it’s not going to be easy to build anything cohesive and long term. I dam sure would not want to be BV in this position at all.

 

[JConXtsy]

Here's an infuriating article... Another week of Seth saying, "I've got to do better.... We were almost there.". WTF? We need immediate changes. It's time to call on interim coaching and get prepared for a thorough coaching search in December.

'It's definitely a step in the right direction, but we'll see': What Seth Littrell said after OU's 34-3 loss to Texas

No. 18 Oklahoma (4-2, 1-2 SEC) lost to No. 1 Texas (5-0, 2-0 SEC) 34-3 at the Red River Rivalry game in Dallas on Saturday.

www.oudaily.com

 

[Soonerborn59]

My girls and son in law use to give me hell when BV was the DC here many years ago when I would catch myself saying “ That damn BV defense stinks” in his later years. I was K with his hire as HC because I thought maybe he had learned to be a better coach while at Clemson.

Now I am not sure he is going to be that coach to lead OU to number 8 in my lifetime. It seems he forgot about recruiting on the O side. I fear OU is going to become NU at this point unless changes are made. Plus I hate all this freaking NIL “ Pay me or I play somewhere else crap”.

 

[JConXtsy]

That athletic column is dead on. Earlier this year, I looked at the average tenure of national championship coaches over the 2000s. If I remember correctly, it was like 2.8 years and only two coaches took longer than 3 years, Dabo Swinney and I can't remember the other. Dabo took 5 years, I think, but he also showed improvement each and every year.

If you're a floundering fish like Venables in year 3, you're never going to get it done.

 

[Soonerborn59]

Guarantee that even Maine right now is laughing at the OU offense and can’t wait to play our Sooners.

 

[LVPack]

Here's an infuriating article... Another week of Seth saying, "I've got to do better.... We were almost there.". WTF?

Same crap that Ted Roof used to say after every game last year. He got replaced and then "voluntarily" departed, and the same thing should happen to Seth.

 

[Soonerborn59]

Sadly OU is a bad touched fumble and Pick 6 play away from being 0-3 in conf and 2-4 overall. What is OU paying BV 9m for?

I am betting tickets will be readily available for the SC game this coming Saturday and at a discounted price.

 

[coeSooner81]

There will be no rebuild as long as the portal and NIL have free reign. The programs willing to put up big money are still going to attract the best players available. The portal will catch all the players that want playing time they didn’t get each season. You can’t build anything cohesive and we aren’t the only ones having to deal with this. Until the portal and NIL have some dam rules to follow like transfer restrictions and a NIL cap……this is what you get. The whole thing just came about while we were weak and it’s not going to be easy to build anything cohesive and long term. I dam sure would not want to be BV in this position at all.

Id gladly switch places with BV, 8 million a year, fire me at the end of the season. I find a good DC job making a million, and probably win another NC as the DC.

 

[JConXtsy]

Id gladly switch places with BV, 8 million a year, fire me at the end of the season. I find a good DC job making a million, and probably win another NC as the DC.

I bet his wife has gotten real comfortable with that $9m/yr. That's a lot of "you dumbass" he'll have to listen to.

 

[Oklabama]

Now I am not sure he is going to be that coach to lead OU to number 8 in my lifetime.

I fear OU is going to become NU at this point unless changes are made.

Two points you make sends a chill through my body. Especially the first one. I turn 78 this week so it ain’t looking good for me to see us ever get another natty. I would have never guessed that we wouldn’t back in 2001.

 

[Soonerborn59]

Field Vision: Five Oklahoma-Texas takeaways from field level

Five field level takeaways from Oklahoma football's 34-3 loss to Texas.

247sports.com

 

[Plainosooner]

Sorry, but the writer of that article is the typical NYT idiot, who doesn't know squat. His criticism of BV is deluded and ill-informed. I don't care how many awards this guy has won, he's clueless about real football. Hold your thumb and pointer fingers about a half inch apart. He knows less that that about Oklahoma football, but pretends he's an expert.

 

[Larry4681]

Pretty much every thing in the article is dead on

 

[OUSOONER67]

This is just my opinion but I have heard others say it and I have thought this for a while now. OU's troubles started quite a few yrs before Bob retired. The staff got comfortable and lazy and a lot of fans were duped into thinking winning Big 12 titles was a very big deal, it wasn't. Bob bringing back Mike set this defense up for failure for way too long, he should have never been brought on as CO DC then DC after BV got pissed about that and left for Clemson. Another and probably just as big a mistake was letting LR take over as HC.
Nobody could have known what he would do and how he would do it when he bolted for U$C but it was a great thing that he left. The Program will be better off in the long run. Riley like Brent I believe are very good assistants but imo not HC material at this level. I had hopes LR would get the Defense worked out but he never could and it cost us a Natty or 2.
Brent will likely get the D to that level but I think at the cost of the Offense. He doesn't seem willing to do what it takes, neither did LR. LR knew as long as he could win Big 12 titles it wouldn't matter. He knew once OU was in the SEC that the ride would be over soon. BV does not have that luxury and I really like BV and hope he can be very successful here
I bet Lebby saw what was coming, probably why he talked to Bama about being their OC and why he bolted to Miss St, a place thats hard to win at and if he doesn't turn it around quick there he will be gone. MSU is not used to winning a lot but like most Programs now everyone wants to be NC and they want it yesterday. Sooner fans even more so and I just don't see that happening again in my lifetime.
Hope I am wrong.

 

[veritas59]

Sad truth is OU is in bad shape and there is no quick fix. 2 blowout losses to Texass in 3 yrs is enough for me to say bye to Brent, add in all the other crap and if up to me he would be gone at seasons end and zero assistants would be retained but it will never happen. I didn't like the hire from day one and let it be known but was hopeful I would be proven wrong, he just aint it. I also would like to see Bob have less of a finger in the program. I blame him mostly for this mess, the bringing back of Mike Stoops, hiring Riley then Riley taking over after Bobs retirement and now Venables, both of which I think Bob pushed for.

Not that what I think matters but its what I think anyway.

Glad to know I'm not the only one who sees Stoops as a big part of the reason the program is in the shape that it is. Castiglione selling his soul to join the SEC as Texas' plus one is the other. Unfortunately, the program is FUBAR in a conference that takes no prisoners. The Sooners are what they are, a team that will struggle every year to play 500 ball. F8$K Castiglione, Harroz, and Stoops for leading them down that path. That said, I really don't care much anymore. With all of the program hopping going on in college sports, it's become undeniable that there's little to no loyalty from the athletes to any particular CFB program - it's all about the money.... so if they don't have any commitment or emotional investment in the program, I sure as hell don't.

 

[OUSOONER67]

Just gonna leave this right here.

 

[95Jones]

My girls and son in law use to give me hell when BV was the DC here many years ago when I would catch myself saying “ That damn BV defense stinks” in his later years. I was K with his hire as HC because I thought maybe he had learned to be a better coach while at Clemson.

Now I am not sure he is going to be that coach to lead OU to number 8 in my lifetime. It seems he forgot about recruiting on the O side. I fear OU is going to become NU at this point unless changes are made. Plus I hate all this freaking NIL “ Pay me or I play somewhere else crap”.

I understand the NIL problem but if you want to fix the team it will take over 20 million a year. Or do not play with the big boys.

 

[CTOkie]

Sorry, but the writer of that article is the typical NYT idiot, who doesn't know squat. His criticism of BV is deluded and ill-informed. I don't care how many awards this guy has won, he's clueless about real football. Hold your thumb and pointer fingers about a half inch apart. He knows less that that about Oklahoma football, but pretends he's an expert.

 

[CTOkie]

Agree, Plano.
There are several issues surrounding this team that get overlooked by so many fans and media.
To start with, could ANY coach in Venables’ position do better?
From last year’s team Dillon Gabriel transferred along with freshman LT Green and the offensive line had been completely overhauled with less than stellar linemen. I doubt if any WB could be successful with this year’s line in front of him.
We may never know for sure if Arnold will ever win his job back or stay at OU.
Then there’s the absence of OU’s elite receiving corps.
Then there’s the fact that OU is playing against its most challenging schedule….ever. This includes OU’s biggest rival Texas finally getting a coach who can get his players more talented, more focused and better prepared.
My main point is that OU has found itself trapped in a perfect storm of misfortune and I don’t feel Venables can be blamed.
I do wonder why the offensive line has been allowed to become so poor.

 

[Deweygolfer]

I can't stand ST's playing calling. It is at a High School level with ZERO Creativity. You combine that with a brand-new offensive line, True Freshman QB (or QB that has played a handful of games), and your Top 5 Wide Receivers out, do you really expect an Offense that is going to put up 30+ points a game? I do not. I predicted 34-13 Whorns thinking OU would get a late TD possibly. I feel my expectations are in check for what we are currently throwing out there from an offensive standpoint on the Field.

 

[iasooner24]

Bring back CG

 

[Oklabama]

Bring back CG

Cale has indicated that 23 years at OU is enough and has no desire to return but I can’t believe that his Sports Animal gig is that fulfilling. Actually I’m a little surprised that he hasn’t had a few good offers to coach again. Maybe he has.

 

[Soonerborn59]

I understand the NIL problem but if you want to fix the team it will take over 20 million a year. Or do not play with the big boys.

Trust me I get it but just quit calling it College Football and call it what it has become. Semi-Pro football using the colleges names. I would venture to say the highest paid NIL players don’t even attend classes. In the end it isn’t any sweat off my back as I am not the one having to shell out the cash for the players.

 

[OUSOONER67]

Cale has indicated that 23 years at OU is enough and has no desire to return but I can’t believe that his Sports Animal gig is that fulfilling. Actually I’m a little surprised that he hasn’t had a few good offers to coach again. Maybe he has.

I imagine he feels like he was shit on. Hard to go back into a situation like that even if he was asked which he never will be. Apparently he said that word that is a career killer. No coming back from that.

 

[JConXtsy]

Here's another good one.... I was laughing by the end of this one

https://atozsports.com/college-football/oklahoma-sooners-news/oklahoma-sooners-key-player-makes-commitment-fans-need/

 

[CTOkie]

Glad to know I'm not the only one who sees Stoops as a big part of the reason the program is in the shape that it is. Castiglione selling his soul to join the SEC as Texas' plus one is the other. Unfortunately, the program is FUBAR in a conference that takes no prisoners. The Sooners are what they are, a team that will struggle every year to play 500 ball. F8$K Castiglione, Harroz, and Stoops for leading them down that path. That said, I really don't care much anymore. With all of the program hopping going on in college sports, it's become undeniable that there's little to no loyalty from the athletes to any particular CFB program - it's all about the money.... so if they don't have any commitment or emotional investment in the program, I sure as hell don't.

Veritas, you’ve made a statement that we all should abide by as CFB has become a money grabbing semipro league.
I really don’t have the energy to keep up with the conferences upheaval, the transfer portals, expanded playoffs, etc. that has taken away my love of the college game.