I have a confession to make. I'm pulling for Baylor.
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Another interesting stat relating to points scored, is Points per Possession. OU leads in this category as well. To further complicate his numbers is OU also has a significant more offensive plays per game than Clemson.
You left out FSU, which is better than any team you faced. Better speed, better size, better athletic talent. By the way, the gas out comment is not true. We were tied with FSU in the 4th and won by 10.
Better based on what exactly? Your opinion? I see no facts at all. The brief moment that I took to take a look at their schedule tells me that they've played absolutely nobody of consequence except Clemson. They've only played 2 ranked teams and one of those is garbage (Florida). Please name some great things that they've done this season against anyone worth a damn besides keeping it close with your team.
Ummm...Florida State is 45th in Scoring Offense. That's statistically the fifth best team you played, six spots behind NC State. You know...statistics. The #1 topic in your discussion of why Clemson will beat OU.
And for all that "better, speed, better size, better athletic talent" stuff they have going for them, you'd think they'd be much higher. Statistically.
And nice straw man argument...I never brought up any type of "gas out" comment.
So what are our common links? Notre Dame beat the hell out of Texas. Baylor beat NC by 11. We beat them by 8, but were up 15 at the two minute mark.
Should be a good one.
FSU - it's just their speed and talent. They are good everywhere. They're 5 year rating on recruiting is top 5, meaning they have top 5 talent on their current roster. They played us. They played UF, who's D is still very good despite the O. That's about it.
Should be a good one.
FSU - it's just their speed and talent. They are good everywhere. They're 5 year rating on recruiting is top 5, meaning they have top 5 talent on their current roster. They played us. They played UF, who's D is still very good despite the O. That's about it.
To be fair, I only posted four different categories on each side of the ball. I did ask you to let me know if you were basing your argument on different categories. So are you now saying you're using the 3rd down Conversion Rate on both sides of the ball as your "top twenty on each side of the ball" argument? Because you are in the top twenty on both sides of the ball in that statistic. And OU is statistically significantly lagging in that area behind Clemson.
So Clemson is three points worse than a Baylor team without their top 2 QBs, top WR, and top RB?
We also beat Baylor, BTW.
Ahhh, changing your argument from statistics to transitive properties. Risky, but I appreciate a man who's willing to take risks in a debate. I personally think it's usually regarded as an unsound application of the transitive property. And it works well in your favor because you haven't lost to anyone.
As for the ND/Texas argument, I got nothing. I concede your point. If the transitive property in football is real, then this is the Holy Grail of point/counterpoint. There's not a reason in the world Texas should have beat us, based on the entirety of their season versus our season, yet they did. Other than "upsets happen" or "you never know what's going to happen in a rivalry game", which are weak arguments, you win.
As for the Baylor/UNC game, I think you're being more than a little disingenuous. Sure, you were up by 15. Until they scored a touchdown. And that touchdown counts. You can't dismiss it.
What you also can't dismiss is the blown call on UNC's onside kick at the very end of the game. Very akin to the screwing over the refs did to us against Oregon in 2006 (potentially kept us out of the National Championship game, BTW), UNC got screwed by a referee out of their chance to possibly tie you. And they had all the momentum in that game. And that was a home game for Clemson, IIRC.
OU on the other hand soundly beat that Baylor team on the road, in front of a hostile crowd, on a game that was the center piece for ESPN's Game Day. It wasn't as close as the score suggests...we had the ball near their red zone and ran out the clock. We could have scored again if we wanted to.
Baylor beat UNC by 11, but like us, could have scored at will if needed to. For goodness sake, they set an all-time record for most rushing yards in any bowl ever played. It may have ended up as only an 11-point victory for Baylor, but if you ask most college football fans, it was worse than that. Similar to OU's win over Baylor.
So, to recap:
OU thrashes Baylor, who thrashes UNC, who barely lost to Clemson on a very questionable call by the refs very late in the game.
I'm taking this one as a win for OU.
So we're 1-1 in this endeavor. Well played, TB, well played.
Clemson beat UNC soundly. You'd have to understand Dabo. Up by 15 with 2 minutes left. Out gaining them by 200 yards etc. watch their onside kick....it's the worst missed targeting call ever that caused the fumble. I think this game can go either way. But I like our chances with 1 turnover or fewer or even with given you all a +1 their but no more. I think our O's are very even, but I just like our Ds chances of of stopping you more often than you guys stopping us. We literally have several top 3 round draft NFL defenders on the field. I just don't think they will consistently be beaten all night.
Mackenzie Alexander is a top 5 corner. We call him Mackenzie island. He shuts everyone's top WR down. Will Fuller did nothing on him. He was known in practice as the one guy that could give Sammy Watkins fits. Now Sterling is a fine player, but I feel confident in Alexander here.
Jayron Kearse is a top 5 safety and TJ Green is not far behind.
Boulware LB played hurt the last half and is said to be near 100%. He's a damn raging lunatic mad man at LB. BJ Goodson LB has played his tail off this year.
And then we get to the DL. The only DL in America that might be better is Bama. I say this bc we have several where 1:1 blocking will be a nightmare. Lawson DE, Dodd DE, Pagano DT, Reader DT, Wilkins DT, and DT Carlos Watkins
Don't get me wrong, I'm worried about this game. I think it goes either way as well. I was just refuting your comments, not the potential outcome.
But I will say this: if it's a close game, I won't be surprised who wins.
But if I fell asleep before the game even started and woke up the next morning and someone told me the score was one-sided, I'd bet the house OU would have won.
There's not going to be a landslide win. But if there was, OU would win it. We can score quicker than you can. If this game gets in the upper 30's or low 40's, it's to OU's benefit. A 17-14 game scares me.
But I will say this: if it's a close game, I won't be surprised who wins.
But if I fell asleep before the game even started and woke up the next morning and someone told me the score was one-sided, I'd bet the house OU would have won.
There's not going to be a landslide win. But if there was, OU would win it. We can score quicker than you can. If this game gets in the upper 30's or low 40's, it's to OU's benefit. A 17-14 game scares me.
