Dabo playoff
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Yes I agree that 6-8 is the sweet spot. Anything beyond that is too many extra games. Way too many bowls now. If you cannot muster 8 wins, you get a participation ribbon and better luck next year message.
Dabo can talk this "go back to two" nonsense since he is in the #2 spot. In a year or two, when he's finishing 5th or 6th, he'll sound like everyone else, demanding an 8 team playoff.
I guess he forgot about last year. Outside of Clemson, 3 teams were separated by 3 OT and 9 points. That's about as good as it comes.
Dabo doesn't care because Clemson has been in the top 2 for a few years now, but when Clemson falls back to Earth, which they will because they have never really been a powerhouse in the past, he will be begging for more teams to get in when he needs it.
Well I don't. I think he's full of selfishness shit. He plays in a weak conference to start with. His biggest complaint is that a team can go undefeated in the regular season and then be required to play additional games. Thus dilluting the undefated season. And let's get real, how many times does a team go undefeated? Not many. In fact, I remember Auburn going undfeated and not getting in a few years back. Bottomline, the more play off teams, the more evrryone gets involved and interested. And face it, in football we all know that a team in Sept is in most cases a different team by December. Sometimes better, soimetimes worse. Give me a full playoff scenario, take the human element and polticis out of it by dropping the committee. Tee it up and may the best team win.
BTW, I like Leach's playoff commentary better.
I think conference champions should get an automatic bid to the playoffs. With that said, since there are more than just the 5 power conferences, there needs to be an expansion to allow ALL champions in, plus offer a buffer for any "superior" team that gets upset to make the playoffs.
For example, 8-4 Pitt knocking off #2 and undefeated Clemson in the ACC Championship. Pitt would get an automatic bid, but Clemson would still get in the playoffs based on season performance (ie. ranking criteria).
This is why the regular season would matter because rankings would still determine seedings in the playoffs. So the argument that an extended playoff format would make the regular season less important doesn't hold up.
For example, 8-4 Pitt knocking off #2 and undefeated Clemson in the ACC Championship. Pitt would get an automatic bid, but Clemson would still get in the playoffs based on season performance (ie. ranking criteria).
This is why the regular season would matter because rankings would still determine seedings in the playoffs. So the argument that an extended playoff format would make the regular season less important doesn't hold up.
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Dabo is FOS because right now he is enjoying the fruit of what you have done in the past to get in even with 1 loss for them. ( like last season) His one more game argument is pure BS because everyone else is also playing that extra game. Remember Syracuse last year?
Watch the first time his team gets left out or an SEC team gets left out and see how quickly he changes that tune. Lots of shit talking on his end right now but eventually FSU starts ruling that conference again and he will be saying a 1 loss Clemson should be in since the loss came to FSU.
Coaches are just as big of hypocrits as fans are. BTW I have never bought into the Dabo act but he does know how to work the media into believing him
Watch the first time his team gets left out or an SEC team gets left out and see how quickly he changes that tune. Lots of shit talking on his end right now but eventually FSU starts ruling that conference again and he will be saying a 1 loss Clemson should be in since the loss came to FSU.
Coaches are just as big of hypocrits as fans are. BTW I have never bought into the Dabo act but he does know how to work the media into believing him
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Keep the conferences for other sports (not proposing breaking up the P5), but for football how about we do something novel:
8 Team Playoff.
Split the top 88 teams in FBS into 8 Divisions of 11 teams each. We'll call it the P8 for short. The rest of the current FBS teams get shifted to FCS status.
Every P8 division team plays the other 10 teams in their division, 5 home/5 away - winner advances to the playoff. All divisions use same tie-breaker criteria.
No Conference (or Division) champ games. You can schedule your 2 other games against whatever teams you like: other P8 teams or FCS.
Since the new 8 divisions are not related to the conferences at all, you can split up the 88 teams geographically and keep intact your rivalries if you want, even if its using the 2 OOD games.
No more "committee" or "BCS formula" needed to decide your top 8. Win and you're in.
Don't like the "extra" game from moving to 8 teams from 4? It's not extra for most teams - they no longer have to play a CCG.
Want to "keep the tradition of the bowls"? No worries, mate. Your "New's Years Six" bowls host your quarterfinal (4) games and semi-final (2) games. Your other 80 teams will have around 40 or so .500/better teams looking for meaningless bowls to play. The bowls won't go anywhere.
One division is weighted with too many good teams? And another bad teams? No worries -- we can realign every 4 years. FCS school's dominating and wants to move up? No worries -- drop a couple bad teams and promote a couple of FCS teams when you realign.
We can make this work and eliminate the "human" deciding factors. It's not hard, people.
8 Team Playoff.
Split the top 88 teams in FBS into 8 Divisions of 11 teams each. We'll call it the P8 for short. The rest of the current FBS teams get shifted to FCS status.
Every P8 division team plays the other 10 teams in their division, 5 home/5 away - winner advances to the playoff. All divisions use same tie-breaker criteria.
No Conference (or Division) champ games. You can schedule your 2 other games against whatever teams you like: other P8 teams or FCS.
Since the new 8 divisions are not related to the conferences at all, you can split up the 88 teams geographically and keep intact your rivalries if you want, even if its using the 2 OOD games.
No more "committee" or "BCS formula" needed to decide your top 8. Win and you're in.
Don't like the "extra" game from moving to 8 teams from 4? It's not extra for most teams - they no longer have to play a CCG.
Want to "keep the tradition of the bowls"? No worries, mate. Your "New's Years Six" bowls host your quarterfinal (4) games and semi-final (2) games. Your other 80 teams will have around 40 or so .500/better teams looking for meaningless bowls to play. The bowls won't go anywhere.
One division is weighted with too many good teams? And another bad teams? No worries -- we can realign every 4 years. FCS school's dominating and wants to move up? No worries -- drop a couple bad teams and promote a couple of FCS teams when you realign.
We can make this work and eliminate the "human" deciding factors. It's not hard, people.
1. Bama vs 8. Washington 2. Clemson vs 7. Georgia 3. Notre Dame vs 6. Ohio State 4. Oklahoma vs 5. UCF Higher seeds get home field: First round games played in Tuscaloosa, Clemson, South Bend, and Norman.
If you're basing it off the final CFP rankings for the top 8 schools, here's how the playoffs would look:
1. Bama vs 8. UCF
2. Clemson vs 7. Michigan
3. Notre Dame vs 6. Ohio State
4. Oklahoma vs 5. Georgia
1. Bama vs 8. UCF
2. Clemson vs 7. Michigan
3. Notre Dame vs 6. Ohio State
4. Oklahoma vs 5. Georgia
I agree with Dabo. He knows damn well he isn't always gonna be in the Top 2 forever.
I say go back to the original BCS formula, and use that ranking to pick the 4 team playoffs.
I say go back to the original BCS formula, and use that ranking to pick the 4 team playoffs.
The BCS formula was never without controversy, right?
I say keep it the way it is. The CFB Playoff Selection Committee does a pretty decent job every year.
A 6 team playoff with top 2 rated teams getting byes. That way all 5 power conf.
get a shot at it and so would a top level independent. Only make sure that any
team that wins'em all gets in. That way the UCF's don't get left out.
get a shot at it and so would a top level independent. Only make sure that any
team that wins'em all gets in. That way the UCF's don't get left out.
Of course it was controversy. Mainly because it differed from the human polls. And fans despised that. Every year they attempted to make it reflect the human polls by making changes to the formula. Which at that point what was the point?? But it still created controversy. And even today, we have humans making the playoff bid decisions, and still controversy.
But I still think the original BCS formula was the best method. People hated it and that's fine. But some of the component data inputted couldn't be affected by human opinions. Like strength of schedule, quality win bonuses, and margin of victory.
Though I do agree 22 that so far the committee has done a pretty solid job.
The BCS formula used criteria based on what HUMANS determined what factors were most important. And of course they tweaked it every year based on outcry from who? Humans. How hard is it to line teams up and make the regular season count for everything?
See my post: win and you’re in.
6 teams is dumb because the top two teams (as determined by humans) get a distinct advantage with a bye, ie Alabama gets a bye every year. Hard pass.
See my post: win and you’re in.
6 teams is dumb because the top two teams (as determined by humans) get a distinct advantage with a bye, ie Alabama gets a bye every year. Hard pass.
I've never been a playoff guy because I believe it waters down the regular season and the traditional bowl system. I personally think, if we are going to have a playoff, that we should leave it at 4. Having 8 in the playoff I think would be way too many and it would virtually do away with many bowls that would otherwise be special.
Ya, humans set the criteria, then it's fed into computers. That's a bit different than humans directly picking an order. And I love your idea in your original post, but it's completely unrealistic. That kind of massive restructuring isn't going to happen. So in the end, we are left with systems or processes where humans have at least some level of participation in. So you can forget a fantasy where humans are 100% removed from the equation.
Remember 2008? That was a classic hose-job the BCS handed the Longhorns. Before the final game of the season, the Horns were like .0008% ahead of the Sooners in the BCS computer ranking. But OU went on to beat OSU the following week, and UT's win over TT wasn't enough to keep the lead. OU was in the NC game. Texas went to the Fiesta. lol.
LOL that was certainly a thing of beauty that season!!
OU always favored well in the BCS back in the day cuz they always scheduled quality OOC games. In the end, that helped them edge other teams. OU got rewarded!!! Nowadays, it's just all about going undefeated. There isn't as much incentive to schedule harder games out of conference play.
I prefer a 16 team playoff. Get rid of the bowl system, and conference championship games.
11 game regular season.
Every school has to play 9 conference games
Each school can schedule 1 FCS school and that game has to be played week 1.
Use some kind of power point system to determine the top 16 teams for the playoffs.
Top seeds host first and second round. Semi's and championship game are played at neutral site.
11 game regular season.
Every school has to play 9 conference games
Each school can schedule 1 FCS school and that game has to be played week 1.
Use some kind of power point system to determine the top 16 teams for the playoffs.
Top seeds host first and second round. Semi's and championship game are played at neutral site.
Well not with that attitude
Hey someone has to plant the seed. Call me Johnny Appleseed
Improbable? Of course. Too many self-righteous dickheads at the NCAA and Universities to think they would ever relinquish power.
But F*** them!! I’m an optimist!! lol
I do think the BCS is a better measurement over the 13 member committee but still prefer humans are eliminated from the equation completely by going to a 8 team playoff. Humans still control 2/3 of the decision making in the BCS.
A couple of things:
UT beat A&M in their last game, not TT. Their loss to TT is what got that whole boulder rolling in the first place.
A&M loss in that game made them finish the season at 4-8. Couple that with OU's 20 point win on the road against OSU, who was ranked 11th in the nation, & the writing was on the wall for a flip, what with the space in the rankings between OU & UT being as microscopic as it was.
I have always thought 6 teams was the right number.
Give seeds 1 and 2 a bye and let 3/6 and 4/5 play.
That way you ensure you have enough spots for the power 5, IF THEY EARN IT, and someone who might have earned the right outside the power 5 or where a conference has multiple worthy teams
The main thing that has screwed everything up in regard to BCS, playoffs, CCGs, etc. is Conference Expansion and no cohesiveness in number of teams per conference. If you ask me, I think each conference should be 10 Teams, you play everybody once and team with the best record wins the conference. You then have your 9 Conference games + 3 OOC games for a Total of 12. You could then at that point say have 7 Major Conferences with 10 Teams and the winner of each Conference gets in + 1 At Large for a Total of 8 Teams. I know this will never happen, but wish that is the path they would have taken years back.
Why? They already get a month off before they play, so why would they need more time off? Seems to me, the teams that win the 1st game will have the advantage because they're game ready while the team waiting might not be up to speed until the 2nd half!
I say 4 -16 team Divisions in a 64 team super conferenc out of the "Power5" conferences being realigned to geographically (as much as possible) to cut as much cross country team travel down until playoffs. So let's say 4 conferences = N-S-E-W. That would be the north and south eastern half of the country is S+E so north + western US is N+W. 16 teams in each =64. Play 10 -12 conference games with either divisional or interdivisional and #1 each div champ is in as well as the #2s in each. That's 8 teams and we can work it to add up to 8 more . to begin playoffs with 16. High seeds get home game 1st round. There is no more independent if you want in to play for it all. No more UCFs your in the 64 or your not and you get a low bowl or form a lower tier conference with their own playoffs.
Yup that would be smart for everyone to play each other in conference so the crybabies against playoff expansion can’t say the regular season is diminished
I’m for going back to two teams also and I get to pick them. I’m very honest and open minded. Good idea, Dabo.
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