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Where did you stand when Barry Switzer resigned in 89?

I was in the Marriot hotel in San Anton when I heard the news. Some Longhorns were laughing it up and I was ready to take them to the Alamo for a much deserved beat down. JJ.

I personally think Barry let a lot of crap go on that we see in many programs today. I can't remember the lineman's name from Detroit, maybe Hall? that was involved in a rape. We all know about Charles Thompson. Of course, none of us were happy about it.

The tv and magazines crucified Switzer. I can't remember one positive article about J.C. Watts, Joe Washington or Greg Pruitt and many others that represented the good part of Switzer regime during that time in those dark days.

The only reason I mention this is because I've read on some other message sites calling for Stoops head if he doesn't win this year. It just reminds of the days when talk radio called for the "Kings" head.
 
I didn't think he should have been forced to resign.
David Swank had a vendetta, an agenda and it worked.

The only real mistake the King made was he trusted his guys to do the right thing all the time.
They took advantage of that trust and pretty much abused it.

You know, there's a bitter irony going on right now, and that is the Indian casinos are one of the biggest sponsors of OU sports, yet the university has rules in place that forbids the student athletes from going to them.
Curious.
 
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We didn't have message boards like we do today. We had talk radio. I just wonder what each of you would say on his forced resignation? What would you have posted in 1989?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Switzer
I was very upset at the time. I knew OU's image was severely damaged and I knew that dark days lay ahead for Switzer and the Oklahoma program. I thought that OU would never be relevant again in college football. All that happened for the next ten years was fallout from the 1989 probation.
As I said in one of my very first postings many years ago, Switzer, as great as his accomplishments were, left a dark cloud hanging over the program.....and it took a decade for OU to recover. (I was thrown to the wolves on the message board for saying this. My loyalty was severely questioned. Nevertheless, I believed it then and I still do).
My other thought is how Gary Gibbs might have done without having to work within the probationary restrictions and the program's tarnished reputation as well as how the transition might have gone had he succeeded Switzer later on, when Switzer would have resigned on his own terms. Maybe Gibbs just wasn't head coaching material....but he sure was left with a very "dirty diaper" when he took the job....and he deserved better.
What I would have posted in 1989 ? I'm glad there was not a "death penalty" given to OU. I'm very embarrassed that gang rapes, drug dealing (Thompson) and shootings have occurred....on top of recruiting violations....and that OU has gained the reputation of being an "outlaw" program. I hold Switzer and his staff responsible for not controlling the players and recruiting players that could not be controlled.....and for Switzer for letting things get so out-of-control.
 
Good topic, K2. One that should get a good bit of activity. I remember THAT day very well. I wasn't surprised, but I was sad, angry and had mixed emotions. I wasn't pleased with Barry, but I didn't want to see him leave the program. I felt he contributed to the problems but I didn't think he was to blame for the problems. Did he allow rapes to occur? No. Did he allow the shooting? No. Did he promote the Charles Thompson to sell drugs? No. Did he bury his head in a hole so that some of this stuff could go on? IMO, he did. But let's be honest. There is a big problem going on right now at OU with players using Weed, so is Bob Stoops burying his head in the sand? Humm. I'm not comparing the two drugs, but they are both illegal and against the rules. How can Bob really be expected to control players who want to smoke pot? How could Barry really be expected to control his players from the things that happened back in late '80's. Bob clearly runs a stricter program than Barry did. Barry's way worked for him for many, many years, but he never had the number of bad apples he had on campus like he did his last couple of years. Was it that he lower his expectations for bringing on good people in order to feed the monster? I don't know, but perhaps. Or, did the world change over the his sixteen years? Probably, players were a wee bit different from those in early to late '70s. If some kids start shooting from their rooms, rape a few co-eds, and start sniffing the while powder that they buy from a teammate this summer, Bob won't come out of it either. Regardless how strict he is. If it happens, he will be blamed. It that fair? The violations that occurred under Barry were his fault.....he was HC and that goes with job. I could have accepted that and think he would have bought the program back sooner than 2000 had he stayed (or was allowed the stay). All the crime stuff....I never blamed him for any of it. He just had a perfect storm hit the program, IMO. He is still The King in my books and I think he is a great guy to boot.
 
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Winning at all costs trumped losing with any integrity. This is what hurt Switzer. Not cocaine, not a reporter, not a recruit, not a player. You can't call Switzer the King and then blame others for how the kingdom was run and how it eventually self imploded. It was an ugly & painful but a necessary removal.
 
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Winning at all costs trumped losing with any integrity. This is what hurt Switzer. Not cocaine, not a reporter, not a recruit, not a player. You can't call Switzer the King and then blame others for how the kingdom was run and how it eventually self imploded. It was an ugly & painful but a necessary removal.
I agree with you WNAS in that Barry was responsible for the violations, but the violations didn't cost him his job. The "outlaw program" did, which I contend wasn't his fault unless someone can convince me that Barry knew these guys had no integrity and recruited them solely to win at all costs. But I can't argue with you or anyone that feels the way you do. I guess the split would be about 60-40 if polled, but I don't have an idea which opinion would be on top. I never have been critical of a Sooner fan for the way they thought about this sad time in OUR team's history. I know Gary Gibbs was a good man, and felt he did a good job under the circumstances. I'm glad we have a coach like Bob Stoops today. But I still love Barry Switzer and so do the vast majority of his players. You are great fan. Are you ready for some Sooner football? I'm getting excited. Boomer!
 
We didn't have message boards like we do today. We had talk radio. I just wonder what each of you would say on his forced resignation? What would you have posted in 1989?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Switzer
We didn't have message boards like we do today. We had talk radio. I just wonder what each of you would say on his forced resignation? What would you have posted in 1989?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Switzer
Very difficult time period for a die hard Sooner. At the time I was certain that King Switzer would never be fired but as things began to unfold it was obvious that it was just a matter of time. Last game I attended with Switzer as HC was the 1988 Nebraska game which the Sooners lost 3-7. Watching the game, it was obvious that the team was beginning to unravel. Then I remember the excitement of Gary Gibbs being named HC to only be disappointed that he started his HC career 7-4, losing to Texas in the RRR (game I attended that the Sooners had won until a series of dead ball personal fouls helped the Horns score late in the 4Q). Gibbs downfall to me was he was too soft on the players which resulted in undisciplined players. But somewhat understandable considering the state of the program he inherited.

Don't even want to go into the 5-6 years following Gibbs!
 
No one liked Switzer more than me. Still, I never condoned his lax discipline and sure never thought his personal life was suited for a head coach. It is my thought that what Switzer had been doing for all those years finally caught up with him. Perhaps, my thoughts about Switzer from a personal standpoint was clouded by the way I viewed Bud. Bud, Barry and Bob all were and are great coaches. But, they are way different in personalities and in character. I value Bud and Bob from a character standpoint way more than Barry. From a pure coaching and perhaps recruiting standpoint Barry was right up there with the best of them. However, I do think and did think at the time that Barry got by with quite a bit.

Quite frankly, at the end Barry reaped what he sowed. I was somewhat glad that his reign at OU ended as I always thought it would end the way it did. The end of Barry at OU was as bad as any FBS head coach that I know of. Bud, had issues with NCAA rules. However, I think Bud's issues were not really about him and his management. I think Bud's problems was an out of control system OU boosters promoted. I always thought that might have been more an OU leadership issue than a Bud issue. I like Bob and prefer his methods way more than that of Barry.

I just don't believe in the win at all cost idea. It may feel good at the time, but leaves a very bad taste in your mouth when it is over. It was sad to see Barry go, but I was ok with his time at OU ending as I knew he had no future at OU. I think I will have a very different opinion of Bob's leaving OU. I was sad for the hurt Barry left at OU. I think with Bob, I will be more sad as I am not sure Bob's years will end on a positive point but for a very different reason compared to Barry's end.
 
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I thought it was BS. It was a combo of a few people really out to get Switzer and a small group of idiot players that did something on their own that no coach could have controlled.
 
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I thought it was BS. It was a combo of a few people really out to get Switzer and a small group of idiot players that did something on their own that no coach could have controlled.
BW, this may be true, but Switzer has to be held responsible for the most part. Those were his players, his coaches and his created atmosphere.
 
I would have fired the entire board of regents rather than Switzer. This was an absurdity that had nothing to do with what he was reportedly fired about. For years, Texas and the Texas media had harangued against the corruption at OU, ignoring that in Austin. It goes all the way back to Bud. But, Barry's real crime was that he beat Darrell Royal who hated to lose. Somehow, everyone who beat Darrell Royal ended up on probation. Then, there was the group led by the honorable Joe Paterno who told us that college football was tarnished by people like Switzer and Tom Osborne whose program was so clean that 60 Minutes did a story about all of the actual criminal acts that were buried by Osborne and the Lincoln police. But, Barry was bad for football. Yeah.

Barry was even blamed for being on probation when he inherited a probation that killed his first three years, except that he didn't lose until the middle of that third year. We couldn't even see OU on TV during his best years when he had the Selmons, Hughes, Shoate, Little Joe, etc. The big crime---that we had an assistant coach who "knew" that Kerry Jackson's grade had been changed." Anyone ever ask who changed it or what university they represented? Like, did anyone question why OU and USC dropped out of his recruiting until just before signing day when they learned he would qualify?

Since the honor of other major programs was hardly an example to anyone not wanting to study criminal justice, it is very unlikely that OU's "outlaw" program was anything more than sour grapes from those who hated losing to him, and losing big.

Barry was such a poor disciplinarian that he got Buster Rhymes to accept a year's suspension for stealing his roommates stereo, hardly the severity of a violent crime. Buster did it. He accepted a year's suspension. Switzer, despite the rhetoric of the Dallas media, had control over that program until he suddenly recruited some kids of a bit different type than those he was used to, kids who would lie to him. He had faith in them, until too late. Yes, there was some criminal activity, at the very end by a very few.

No There is the real reason that Barry Switzer was fired, and it infuriates me and diminishes my respect for all involved.
 
BW, this may be true, but Switzer has to be held responsible for the most part. Those were his players, his coaches and his created atmosphere.
CT the vast majority of the players under Switzer were great people and did nothing wrong. Does he get credit for those kids and that atmosphere? The small group of players that caused trouble were recruited by every other major college program in the country. It could have happened anywhere.
 
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I would have fired the entire board of regents rather than Switzer. This was an absurdity that had nothing to do with what he was reportedly fired about. For years, Texas and the Texas media had harangued against the corruption at OU, ignoring that in Austin. It goes all the way back to Bud. But, Barry's real crime was that he beat Darrell Royal who hated to lose. Somehow, everyone who beat Darrell Royal ended up on probation. Then, there was the group led by the honorable Joe Paterno who told us that college football was tarnished by people like Switzer and Tom Osborne whose program was so clean that 60 Minutes did a story about all of the actual criminal acts that were buried by Osborne and the Lincoln police. But, Barry was bad for football. Yeah.

Barry was even blamed for being on probation when he inherited a probation that killed his first three years, except that he didn't lose until the middle of that third year. We couldn't even see OU on TV during his best years when he had the Selmons, Hughes, Shoate, Little Joe, etc. The big crime---that we had an assistant coach who "knew" that Kerry Jackson's grade had been changed." Anyone ever ask who changed it or what university they represented? Like, did anyone question why OU and USC dropped out of his recruiting until just before signing day when they learned he would qualify?

Since the honor of other major programs was hardly an example to anyone not wanting to study criminal justice, it is very unlikely that OU's "outlaw" program was anything more than sour grapes from those who hated losing to him, and losing big.

Barry was such a poor disciplinarian that he got Buster Rhymes to accept a year's suspension for stealing his roommates stereo, hardly the severity of a violent crime. Buster did it. He accepted a year's suspension. Switzer, despite the rhetoric of the Dallas media, had control over that program until he suddenly recruited some kids of a bit different type than those he was used to, kids who would lie to him. He had faith in them, until too late. Yes, there was some criminal activity, at the very end by a very few.

No There is the real reason that Barry Switzer was fired, and it infuriates me and diminishes my respect for all involved.
Sybarite, the label of "outlaw" program on OU was also thrown around on a national level as well as those who hated to lose to Switzer. I heard enough of it here in the Northeast.
To his credit, Switzer cared for his players and kept a lot of misdeeds under wraps while administering in-house discipline.
CT the vast majority of the players under Switzer were great people and did nothing wrong. Does he get credit for those kids and that atmosphere? The small group of players that caused trouble were recruited by every other major college program in the country. It could have happened anywhere.
Agree, BW.....but the problems revolved around the handful of trouble makers and those few trouble makers created a huge problem. Clearly it could....and does...happen elsewhere, and when it does, it takes away from the players who conducted themselves properly and it's not fair.
I know
 
Barry trusted players too much. The idea of treating college football players like adults is a little optimistic. And punishment was not as forthcoming as it needed to be. He surely wasn't responsible for all the problems, but he bore more than a little responsible. Part of it was having too many borderline students.

Barry was a great coach. He doesn't deserve most of the blame for all the off the field stuff that happened on his watch. But he does deserve some.

Anybody thing Brian Bosworth might have been a little better player if he'd checked the Boz at the door early in his career? I think now, even Brian might agree with that.
 
The "outlaw" program was exactly what I said it was, retaliation. Don't forget that Paterno be came a part of this "outlaw" program labeling. He was a big critic, until he apologized. Largely, it was due to the Dallas media and their influence in the sports world, the same group that called the Cowboys, "America's team," and it stuck. The charges were all nebulous for until the last year. OU was buying players, a charge specifically made by Royal when he lost a HB that OU wanted, except that Switzer said that OU had not even recruited the kid because they didn't think he could play at OU. But, Royal said we had swayed him from Texas with our money.

Switzer was getting star players out of New Orleans, Los Angleles, and Miami, all of which said he had to be paying players. They didn't look at why they were coming to OU. I think it was the Spring of 75 that OU got 12 of the top 18 recruits in Texas. The media just blasted OU for buying players. The Southwest Conference set up agreements to keep OU out before recruiting against each other.

There was never any proof, just accusations, mostly fueled by Royal and a Dallas press corps that hated Switzer, for several reasons. All of this time, there actually were schools that were doing everything of which OU was being accused. But, they weren't hated, partially because they didn't beat Texas or Penn State (the purest of the pure, the emblem of what college sports should be about). The fact was that there were so many investigators from the NCAA hanging around OU that we couldn't do what they were accusing us of. The only thing that probably was occurring was that the athletes sure did seem to have nice cars for a bunch of poor kids. I think the reason that Pontiac went broke was that they gave a free Grand Am to every college football player, or was it a Trans Am. But, every athletic parking lot in the country had the same thing. You could tell the faculty lots by the old, old cars and the athletic dorms by the sporty cars.

But, it was nonsense. And, it had absolutely nothing to do with why he was fired. The momentum to fire Switzer began to fester ten years before he was fired. You had faculty groups that were new, from out of state, and they didn't like being at a "football school." You had a lot of people that resented Switzer for the way he treated players. All of the external stuff was nonsense. The internal stuff was what got him fired, and Switzer was probably oblivious.
 
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The "outlaw" program was exactly what I said it was, retaliation. Don't forget that Paterno be came a part of this "outlaw" program labeling. He was a big critic, until he apologized. Largely, it was due to the Dallas media and their influence in the sports world, the same group that called the Cowboys, "America's team," and it stuck. The charges were all nebulous for until the last year. OU was buying players, a charge specifically made by Royal when he lost a HB that OU wanted, except that Switzer said that OU had not even recruited the kid because they didn't think he could play at OU. But, Royal said we had swayed him from Texas with our money.

Switzer was getting star players out of New Orleans, Los Angleles, and Miami, all of which said he had to be paying players. They didn't look at why they were coming to OU. I think it was the Spring of 75 that OU got 12 of the top 18 recruits in Texas. The media just blasted OU for buying players. The Southwest Conference set up agreements to keep OU out before recruiting against each other.

There was never any proof, just accusations, mostly fueled by Royal and a Dallas press corps that hated Switzer, for several reasons. All of this time, there actually were schools that were doing everything of which OU was being accused. But, they weren't hated, partially because they didn't beat Texas or Penn State (the purest of the pure, the emblem of what college sports should be about). The fact was that there were so many investigators from the NCAA hanging around OU that we couldn't do what they were accusing us of. The only thing that probably was occurring was that the athletes sure did seem to have nice cars for a bunch of poor kids. I think the reason that Pontiac went broke was that they gave a free Grand Am to every college football player, or was it a Trans Am. But, every athletic parking lot in the country had the same thing. You could tell the faculty lots by the old, old cars and the athletic dorms by the sporty cars.

But, it was nonsense. And, it had absolutely nothing to do with why he was fired. The momentum to fire Switzer began to fester ten years before he was fired. You had faculty groups that were new, from out of state, and they didn't like being at a "football school." You had a lot of people that resented Switzer for the way he treated players. All of the external stuff was nonsense. The internal stuff was what got him fired, and Switzer was probably oblivious.
Syb have you read Bootleggers Boy? It answers a lot of questions about all the internal stuff
 
We didn't have message boards like we do today. We had talk radio. I just wonder what each of you would say on his forced resignation? What would you have posted in 1989?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Switzer
I have always been amazed that no one has ever mentioned the possible connection between the disciplinary problems Barry encountered in 1988 and the retirement of Port Robertson in 1986. In addition to coaching the OU wrestling team, Port Robertson became an assistant athletic director and guidance counselor, among other duties. In that capacity he became the enforcer of discipline in the athletic department. When I was at OU during the Bud Wilkinson days, stories abounded about Port Robertson taking some 6'4" 250 lbs lineman into his office and locking the door. When the lineman emerged from Robertson's office no one dared asked him how he happened to get hit by a freight train. I refer to passages in the book "Tales From the Sooner Sidelines," by Jay Upchurch and Mike McKenzie where they describe, as an example, Jerry Pettibone's experience with Robertson. Also, Stephen Harlan Norwood's book "Real Football: Conversations on America's Game," where he interviews Greg Pruitt about his experience with Robertson.

I believe that OU and Barry Switzer came to rely upon Port Robertson for disciplinary problems, and no one replaced him when Port retired. Jerry Parks, Bernard Hall, Zarak Peters, Nigel Clay and Charles Thompson would never have committed the disciplinary infractions if Port Robertson had still been in the athletic department. If they did, they would have gotten as far away as possible from Norman before Port found out about it. As Gregg Pruitt described it, fear alone would have kept them from becoming one of Port's "peaheads."

Tales From the Sooner Sidelines

By Jay Upchurch, Mike McKenzie
2003

Tough Love
No person in the University of Oklahoma athletic department was more respected or feared than Port Robertson. He served as head wrestling coach, conditioning coach and academic advisor during a career that spanned 40 years from 1947-86.

Besides producing consistent winners on the mat, his teams won three national titles during a 14-year period—Robertson ruled with an iron fist when it came to academia.

Miss a class, answer to Port. Skip study hall, answer to Port.

Robertson was responsible for helping more than a few student athletes find their way to graduation during his time at OU. One of the football players who benefited from Robertson’s tough love methods was Jerry Pettibone.

Pettibone was sleep walking through his freshman season at OU buried on the depth chart and uninspired by school. He was teetering on the brink of becoming an academic casualty when Robertson stepped in with a phone call to Pettibone’s father.

By the time their conversation ended, the younger Pettibone was a member of Robertson’s straight and narrow “peahead” club.

“Port calls me into his office one day and just starts reading me the riot act about my school work,” said Pettibone. “He tells me what I’m going to do to improve and flourish at OU and every time he made a point he’d jab his finger into my sternum. That got my attention in a hurry.”

But Pettibone was going to have nothing to do with Robertson’s hard-core rules. He immediately phoned his father and began describing how Robertson yelled at him and threatened him and even got physical with him. Pettibone told his father he was going to find a better school and transfer.

When the younger Pettibone was finished describing his ordeal, father Pettibone told him to get used to Robertson’s ways and forget about transferring.

“Basically, he said it was time to step up and be responsible for my actions,” added Pettibone, who went on to letter in football

And graduate in four years. “After a while, I understood what Port was doing, and I came to appreciate him like a lot of other athletes over the years.”

Pettibone later returned to serve as an assistant football coach at OU. Many days he worked side by side with Robertson

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I have always been amazed that no one has ever mentioned the possible connection between the disciplinary problems Barry encountered in 1988 and the retirement of Port Robertson in 1986. In addition to coaching the OU wrestling team, Port Robertson became an assistant athletic director and guidance counselor, among other duties. In that capacity he became the enforcer of discipline in the athletic department. When I was at OU during the Bud Wilkinson days, stories abounded about Port Robertson taking some 6'4" 250 lbs lineman into his office and locking the door. When the lineman emerged from Robertson's office no one dared asked him how he happened to get hit by a freight train. I refer to passages in the book "Tales From the Sooner Sidelines," by Jay Upchurch and Mike McKenzie where they describe, as an example, Jerry Pettibone's experience with Robertson. Also, Stephen Harlan Norwood's book "Real Football: Conversations on America's Game," where he interviews Greg Pruitt about his experience with Robertson.

I believe that OU and Barry Switzer came to rely upon Port Robertson for disciplinary problems, and no one replaced him when Port retired. Jerry Parks, Bernard Hall, Zarak Peters, Nigel Clay and Charles Thompson would never have committed the disciplinary infractions if Port Robertson had still been in the athletic department. If they did, they would have gotten as far away as possible from Norman before Port found out about it. As Gregg Pruitt described it, fear alone would have kept them from becoming one of Port's "peaheads."

Tales From the Sooner Sidelines

By Jay Upchurch, Mike McKenzie
2003

Tough Love
No person in the University of Oklahoma athletic department was more respected or feared than Port Robertson. He served as head wrestling coach, conditioning coach and academic advisor during a career that spanned 40 years from 1947-86.

Besides producing consistent winners on the mat, his teams won three national titles during a 14-year period—Robertson ruled with an iron fist when it came to academia.

Miss a class, answer to Port. Skip study hall, answer to Port.

Robertson was responsible for helping more than a few student athletes find their way to graduation during his time at OU. One of the football players who benefited from Robertson’s tough love methods was Jerry Pettibone.

Pettibone was sleep walking through his freshman season at OU buried on the depth chart and uninspired by school. He was teetering on the brink of becoming an academic casualty when Robertson stepped in with a phone call to Pettibone’s father.

By the time their conversation ended, the younger Pettibone was a member of Robertson’s straight and narrow “peahead” club.

“Port calls me into his office one day and just starts reading me the riot act about my school work,” said Pettibone. “He tells me what I’m going to do to improve and flourish at OU and every time he made a point he’d jab his finger into my sternum. That got my attention in a hurry.”

But Pettibone was going to have nothing to do with Robertson’s hard-core rules. He immediately phoned his father and began describing how Robertson yelled at him and threatened him and even got physical with him. Pettibone told his father he was going to find a better school and transfer.

When the younger Pettibone was finished describing his ordeal, father Pettibone told him to get used to Robertson’s ways and forget about transferring.

“Basically, he said it was time to step up and be responsible for my actions,” added Pettibone, who went on to letter in football

And graduate in four years. “After a while, I understood what Port was doing, and I came to appreciate him like a lot of other athletes over the years.”

Pettibone later returned to serve as an assistant football coach at OU. Many days he worked side by side with Robertson

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24 posts in eleven years? Where have you been. That was one of the best responses I've ever read on this board. I actually learned something I had never heard of before. Thanks for your response and please consider posting more often.

If the quoted thread doesn't get a "like" from everyone that reads it, then they need to do away with the like feature.
 
I had intended to mention that there had been no problems as accused by others because Port would not have tolerated it. I was not aware that he had retired just before the problems began. It would have been a key difference.
 
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"Syb have you read Bootleggers Boy? It answers a lot of questions about all the internal stuff"

Yes, and it is much more informative than other sources. But, even Switzer didn't understand what was behind it.
 
The "outlaw" program was exactly what I said it was, retaliation. Don't forget that Paterno be came a part of this "outlaw" program labeling. He was a big critic, until he apologized. Largely, it was due to the Dallas media and their influence in the sports world, the same group that called the Cowboys, "America's team," and it stuck. The charges were all nebulous for until the last year. OU was buying players, a charge specifically made by Royal when he lost a HB that OU wanted, except that Switzer said that OU had not even recruited the kid because they didn't think he could play at OU. But, Royal said we had swayed him from Texas with our money.

Switzer was getting star players out of New Orleans, Los Angleles, and Miami, all of which said he had to be paying players. They didn't look at why they were coming to OU. I think it was the Spring of 75 that OU got 12 of the top 18 recruits in Texas. The media just blasted OU for buying players. The Southwest Conference set up agreements to keep OU out before recruiting against each other.

There was never any proof, just accusations, mostly fueled by Royal and a Dallas press corps that hated Switzer, for several reasons. All of this time, there actually were schools that were doing everything of which OU was being accused. But, they weren't hated, partially because they didn't beat Texas or Penn State (the purest of the pure, the emblem of what college sports should be about). The fact was that there were so many investigators from the NCAA hanging around OU that we couldn't do what they were accusing us of. The only thing that probably was occurring was that the athletes sure did seem to have nice cars for a bunch of poor kids. I think the reason that Pontiac went broke was that they gave a free Grand Am to every college football player, or was it a Trans Am. But, every athletic parking lot in the country had the same thing. You could tell the faculty lots by the old, old cars and the athletic dorms by the sporty cars.

But, it was nonsense. And, it had absolutely nothing to do with why he was fired. The momentum to fire Switzer began to fester ten years before he was fired. You had faculty groups that were new, from out of state, and they didn't like being at a "football school." You had a lot of people that resented Switzer for the way he treated players. All of the external stuff was nonsense. The internal stuff was what got him fired, and Switzer was probably oblivious.

Syb, at least you are true to form and never miss occasions to apologize for Switzer and bash Stoops. There is little factual in your above post. You just ignore all that happened at the end of Switzer's time at OU. According to you it was everyone else and Barry was railroaded. The truth is that Barry was his own worst enemy and OU had no choice except to fire him.
 
Just so I don't offend the "stay on topic" crowd, my response at the time was to scoff when my boss told me that "OU would be down for 10 years" when the SI pic came out & the King was "released". I look back at that time & remember that those years were occupied by raising kids. Their was no espin & OU was rarely on tv up here & there was not nearly as much coverage of cfb in general.
 
There was coverage if you were Florida State or Miami or Nebraska.

Most of the time, especially the Blake years, Sooner football was really hard to watch.
 
We didn't have message boards like we do today.

We didn't have message boards like we do today, but we had OU message boards going back to 1987 (before public Internet access became a reality). They were a lot of fun. You had to dial up a local modem number using a "terminal" program. If you were lucky enough to get in, the thread structure was very similar to what you see today. But of course, it was on a mono-chrome CRT monitor, ACSII text only. Nothing was mouse driven. To navigate, you had to use keyboard characters.

There were two Sooner "bulletin board service" (BBS). One was the "Sooner 99 BBS" and the other was Ronnie Parker and Mike Sewell's "OU BBS". The OU one was better.

Opinions regarding Switzer's departure were as varying as they are today. But time has been good to the coach. His legacy is in much better shape today than it was back then. Half the people threw him under the bus and said it was time for him to go. Others, including myself, stood by the coach as I still do to this day. They simply made life so miserable for him, he got sick of the whole mess and got out. That's the way it was at OU back then. Swank and some of the regents did their best to destroy Sooner athletics.
 
When Switzer resigned I was still just a teenager. So I grew up during the Switzer years and never really knew anything but watching OU competing for national titles every single year. It was a sad day for sure when he resigned, but in my young mind, I really thought OU football would just keep on trucking and not miss a beat. I really didn't understand the consequences the program would suffer with the sanctions the NCAA leveled on the program. So it was pretty rough watching OU take a big step down during the Gibbs years and I really thought OU football couldn't get any worse. Then the Blake years, and like Plaino said, it was really, really hard to watch OU football back then. For most OU fans that literally was rock bottom.
 
That would have been interesting; I have been using these crazy boxes in biz since their inception for basic inventory sales, accounting and logistics in various industries since the late 70's. I could only dream (then) of actually communicating with someone with one.
 
So it was pretty rough watching OU take a big step down during the Gibbs years and I really thought OU football couldn't get any worse. Then the Blake years, and like Plaino said, it was really, really hard to watch OU football back then. For most OU fans that literally was rock bottom.

It gives me great joy when people totally forget about Howard. ;)
 
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