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You didn't say "totalitarianism" in your last post before this one. You said

As I said, please write a post that makes sense. This isn't some hard subject you slept through in college.

Communism is totalitarian. Fascism is totalitarian. Imperialism is totalitarian. Statists are also totalitarian. Why you aren't aware of this is your problem.
 
I don't much trust history books any more. I know what I lived in the last 65 years, and what has been written about what I lived isn't what I experienced. Most historians seem to have the same slanted view as the drive by media. So be careful in your view of "history books."
You should come down to Troy for a beer and a tour of my "history books," Plaino... :)
 
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Totalitarianism

a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.

"democratic countries were fighting against totalitarianism"
 
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Communism is totalitarian. Fascism is totalitarian. Imperialism is totalitarian. Statists are also totalitarian. Why you aren't aware of this is your problem.
Why aren't you aware you never write your sentences in proper English? And how do you know each of those political ideologies you mentioned are totalitarian and not authoritarian? Have you done any research to support your findings?

This coming from a guy who thinks my avatar is a communist soldier and that I went to the University of Texas, I guess I shouldn't expect much.
 
Definition:

For Saigo


Totalitarianism

a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.

"democratic countries were fighting against totalitarianism"
You're gonna need more than a Webster's Dictionary definition if you want to help your pal PtLavacaSooner.
 
Why aren't you aware you never write your sentences in proper English? And how do you know each of those political ideologies you mentioned are totalitarian and not authoritarian? Have you done any research to support your findings?

This coming from a guy who thinks my avatar is a communist soldier and that I went to the University of Texas, I guess I shouldn't expect much.
Proper English.... what is that.:D
 
Why aren't you aware you never write your sentences in proper English? And how do you know each of those political ideologies you mentioned are totalitarian and not authoritarian? Have you done any research to support your findings?

This coming from a guy who thinks my avatar is a communist soldier and that I went to the University of Texas, I guess I shouldn't expect much.

"In general, Totalitarianism involves a single mass party, typically led by a dictator; an attempt to mobilize the entire population in support of the official state ideology; and an intolerance of activities which are not directed towards the goals of the state, usually entailing repression and state control of business, labour unions, churches and political parties. A totalitarian regime is essentially a modern form of authoritarian state, requiring as it does an advanced technology of social control."

http://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_totalitarianism.html
 
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Yes, but what happened 65 years before you were born. No history books needed, that would be strange.

I know what history books said 50 years ago. They are now lying about what happened before, to put a very liberal take on what used to be. It's disgusting. They want to make Washington and Lincoln into bad guys. They ignore the faith based part of history, which was so important in all that. And they claim that the founding father's were some sort of watered down believers. It's just a lie.

What the Mayflower Compact says, is not treated with fairness, but with all sorts of censorship and modifying.
 
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I know what history books said 50 years ago. They are now lying about what happened before, to put a very liberal take on what used to be. It's disgusting. They want to make Washington and Lincoln into bad guys. They ignore the faith based part of history, which was so important in all that. And they claim that the founding father's were some sort of watered down believers. It's just a lie.

What the Mayflower Compact says, is not treated with fairness, but with all sorts of censorship and modifying.
Plaino, didn't most of the founding fathers own slaves? Thomas Jefferson made offspring with a slave woman of his.
 
Plaino, didn't most of the founding fathers own slaves? Thomas Jefferson made offspring with a slave woman of his.
I know what history books said 50 years ago. They are now lying about what happened before, to put a very liberal take on what used to be. It's disgusting. They want to make Washington and Lincoln into bad guys. They ignore the faith based part of history, which was so important in all that. And they claim that the founding father's were some sort of watered down believers. It's just a lie.

What the Mayflower Compact says, is not treated with fairness, but with all sorts of censorship and modifying.
Historians change their beliefs all the time. I don't put a lot of faith in what they say NOW, about past history. By the way, none of us will ever know the real truth. We weren't there.
 
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Plaino, didn't most of the founding fathers own slaves? Thomas Jefferson made offspring with a slave woman of his.

Jefferson was like the original liberal.

Have you ever read the Mayflower Compact? And understood it?

Most of those who signed the Declaration did not support slavery. But they'd agreed they needed unanimous approval of the document. So they excluded language opposing slavery because the southerners threatened to leave if it stayed. We fought a whole civil war primarily over the issue. And the abolitionists were primarily Christians, though certainly not exclusively.

There are millions of people now, who support the murder of babies in America. This despite technology that shows just how human they are at an early stage of life in the womb. I'm not here to argue the good or bad of abortion, though I surely oppose it strongly. But my point is, that at this point in time, dismembering those children, with excruciating pain, is approved by many in our society. In 100 years, will the accomplishments of those who think abortion is okay, be diminished because of their support for what is commonly accepted now? I mean if abortion is viewed in the future for it's barbarism, as I believe it will.

I'd recommend the easy to acquire movie Amazing Grace, about the efforts of William Wilberforce to have the slave trade abolished in England. There were other forces at work. Just because someone supported what was commonly accepted 250 years or more ago, doesn't necessarily offset their other accomplishments. I say that, though my view has been for 45 years that slavery is America's greatest evil, and we still today bear the scars and ramifications of that more than 150 years after the emancipation proclamation.

It's a complicated issue in so many ways.
 
Historians change their beliefs all the time. I don't put a lot of faith in what they say NOW, about past history. By the way, none of us will ever know the real truth. We weren't there.

Even those who were there, had a different view of what they've seen. But it's the one sided nature of the presentation that I object to.
 
Jefferson was like the original liberal.

Have you ever read the Mayflower Compact? And understood it?

Most of those who signed the Declaration did not support slavery. But they'd agreed they needed unanimous approval of the document. So they excluded language opposing slavery because the southerners threatened to leave if it stayed. We fought a whole civil war primarily over the issue. And the abolitionists were primarily Christians, though certainly not exclusively.

There are millions of people now, who support the murder of babies in America. This despite technology that shows just how human they are at an early stage of life in the womb. I'm not here to argue the good or bad of abortion, though I surely oppose it strongly. But my point is, that at this point in time, dismembering those children, with excruciating pain, is approved by many in our society. In 100 years, will the accomplishments of those who think abortion is okay, be diminished because of their support for what is commonly accepted now? I mean if abortion is viewed in the future for it's barbarism, as I believe it will.

I'd recommend the easy to acquire movie Amazing Grace, about the efforts of William Wilberforce to have the slave trade abolished in England. There were other forces at work. Just because someone supported what was commonly accepted 250 years or more ago, doesn't necessarily offset their other accomplishments. I say that, though my view has been for 45 years that slavery is America's greatest evil, and we still today bear the scars and ramifications of that more than 150 years after the emancipation proclamation.

It's a complicated issue in so many ways.
Well said, Plaino.
I wonder why, if a fetus has its own unique DNA, it is a "woman's right" to kill it under the guise of the fetus being part of HER body ? I do not regard this issue as a male-female debate as most people do.
I also believe that slavery was one of two of America's greatest evils, the second one being the virtual genocide of the American Indian. Our country, like every other country, has "skeletons in its closet". But I like to believe we have evolved from the way we were 150 years ago.....at least as far a slavery and genocide are concerned.
 
Why aren't you aware you never write your sentences in proper English?
My English teacher wife and I laughed out loud when reading this question... Is it written in proper English? You just failed 4th grade.

Cats are mammals.

Dolphins are mammals.

Mammals are animals.

Douche nozzles are good for drinking out of, if that is your thing...
 
Jefferson was like the original liberal.

Have you ever read the Mayflower Compact? And understood it?

Most of those who signed the Declaration did not support slavery. But they'd agreed they needed unanimous approval of the document. So they excluded language opposing slavery because the southerners threatened to leave if it stayed. We fought a whole civil war primarily over the issue. And the abolitionists were primarily Christians, though certainly not exclusively.

There are millions of people now, who support the murder of babies in America. This despite technology that shows just how human they are at an early stage of life in the womb. I'm not here to argue the good or bad of abortion, though I surely oppose it strongly. But my point is, that at this point in time, dismembering those children, with excruciating pain, is approved by many in our society. In 100 years, will the accomplishments of those who think abortion is okay, be diminished because of their support for what is commonly accepted now? I mean if abortion is viewed in the future for it's barbarism, as I believe it will.

I'd recommend the easy to acquire movie Amazing Grace, about the efforts of William Wilberforce to have the slave trade abolished in England. There were other forces at work. Just because someone supported what was commonly accepted 250 years or more ago, doesn't necessarily offset their other accomplishments. I say that, though my view has been for 45 years that slavery is America's greatest evil, and we still today bear the scars and ramifications of that more than 150 years after the emancipation proclamation.

It's a complicated issue in so many ways.
You always have great points. I can tell you have read and studied a lot of subjects. I applauded you. I am not joking, you do have good points.
 
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My English teacher wife and I laughed out loud when reading this question... Is it written in proper English? You just failed 4th grade.

Cats are mammals.

Dolphins are mammals.

Mammals are animals.

Douche nozzles are good for drinking out of, if that is your thing...
Just busting balls amigo. It's the off-season, and I'm bored.
 
Thomas Jefferson made offspring with a slave woman of his.
Maybe... Did you watch?

"The results of DNA tests conducted by Dr. Eugene Foster and a team of geneticists in 1998 challenged the view that the Jefferson-Hemings relationship could be neither refuted nor substantiated. The study--which tested Y-chromosomal DNA samples from male-line descendants of Field Jefferson (Thomas Jefferson's uncle), John Carr (grandfather of Jefferson's Carr nephews), Eston Hemings, and Thomas Woodson--indicated a genetic link between the Jefferson and Hemings descendants. The results of the study established that an individual carrying the male Jefferson Y chromosome fathered Eston Hemings (born 1808), the last known child born to Sally Hemings. There were approximately 25 adult male Jeffersons who carried this chromosome living in Virginia at that time, and a few of them are known to have visited Monticello. The study's authors, however, said "the simplest and most probable" conclusion was that Thomas Jefferson had fathered Eston Hemings."

https://www.monticello.org/site/pla...mas-jefferson-and-sally-hemings-brief-account
 
Maybe... Did you watch?

"The results of DNA tests conducted by Dr. Eugene Foster and a team of geneticists in 1998 challenged the view that the Jefferson-Hemings relationship could be neither refuted nor substantiated. The study--which tested Y-chromosomal DNA samples from male-line descendants of Field Jefferson (Thomas Jefferson's uncle), John Carr (grandfather of Jefferson's Carr nephews), Eston Hemings, and Thomas Woodson--indicated a genetic link between the Jefferson and Hemings descendants. The results of the study established that an individual carrying the male Jefferson Y chromosome fathered Eston Hemings (born 1808), the last known child born to Sally Hemings. There were approximately 25 adult male Jeffersons who carried this chromosome living in Virginia at that time, and a few of them are known to have visited Monticello. The study's authors, however, said "the simplest and most probable" conclusion was that Thomas Jefferson had fathered Eston Hemings."

https://www.monticello.org/site/pla...mas-jefferson-and-sally-hemings-brief-account
Yes, it was a very interesting study. It's amazing what they can do with DNA testing. I had my DNA done as well as my wife's. When it came back it was intetesting. I did it by mail, so I think it is correct. Ya, never know.
 
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How in the hell did a simple thread about movies turn into a pissing match about whatever it is you guys are sniping at each other about??? I just don't get the mindset of some of people who have to "right" about everything and can turn an enjoyable, non-confrontational topic into an Internet pillow fight. I need to take a timeout from this circus as this act is getting old. I'm sure I won't make it that long, but I'll see you guys when it's football season.
 
How in the hell did a simple thread about movies turn into a pissing match about whatever it is you guys are sniping at each other about??? I just don't get the mindset of some of people who have to "right" about everything and can turn an enjoyable, non-confrontational topic into an Internet pillow fight. I need to take a timeout from this circus as this act is getting old. I'm sure I won't make it that long, but I'll see you guys when it's football season.
Sorry we upset you, Schooner. I wish you well! Hopefully everyone will be in better spirits come September. God bless.
 
If your grandfather is still living, tell him that members of the board thank him for his service. They truly were the greatest generation.
Thanks! Unfortunately, he perished in 1984. Four years before I was born.

He was a Purple Heart recipient after getting wounded at Tarawa.
 
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Why aren't you aware you never write your sentences in proper English? And how do you know each of those political ideologies you mentioned are totalitarian and not authoritarian? Have you done any research to support your findings?

This coming from a guy who thinks my avatar is a communist soldier and that I went to the University of Texas, I guess I shouldn't expect much.
In an effort to help you, I have a series of videos for you to watch...

 
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