Sugar Bowl or CFP

[Plainosooner]

I think LSU and tOSU will be highly motivated in the CCG to impress the committee enough to be seeded first. I actually believe that if we make the 4th seed, that we have a better chance against LSU than Ohio State. I'd prefer LSU personally, but think Ohio State is a better team, except at quarterback. OSU's defense is excellent. LSU's not so much.

So I expect LSU to thrash UGa soundly. No telling how bad Ohio State beats Wisconsin, but so long as they forget how bad they beat them the first time, no telling how much they might accomplish late Saturday.

 

[Scottsdale.Sooner]

I agree. I think we have a much better chance facing LSU than we do tOSU.

 

[SoonerBounce]

I’d rather get my ass kicked like a man then hide behind mommas apron and look like a bad ass. It’s fools gold to want to play a lesser team just to get a win. Being afraid to lose is for losers.

I disagree. Here is why...

Losing another CFP game will be very very damaging to the program. The perception that we don't deserve a shot will be cemented and we will need to go undefeated to have another shot. And I think for recruiting, having a win in the sugar bowl would be good momentum.

 

[Oklabama]

Losing the last game of the year really sucks, and beating a SEC opponent in the Sugar would make the off season soooo much better. If we lose, it won’t make much difference whether it’s in the playoffs or the Sugar Bowl. But I got a feeling we will play the #1 ranked team if we beat Baylor.

 

[humblesooner]

As long as they assume SEC superiority every year starting in preseason, the 4-team playoff is a joke. Of course they “play the hardest schedules” by playing each other. Starting out with 6 - 8 “rated” teams in preseason, means they play “rated” teams all year, regardless of how they play (not to mention they only play 8 conference games and 90% of their OOC schedule is the creamiest if cream puffs.

8-teams is what we need with P5 automatic bids, maximum 2 teams from any conference (otherwise would be 4 SEC teams getting in).
P5 automatic bids must be given to teams with no more than 3 losses (maybe even max of 2 losses??). Conferences decide the team that gets their bid, not the committee. If P5 doesn’t have a qualifier, it reverts to an at-large bid. G5 and independents also gets 1 auto bid, if they qualify (must have max 1 loss and be rated top 15 or something like that). This leaves a minimum of 2 at-large bids.

Don’t want to get screwed over for an at large bid? Then win your conference.

I've always thought, if the SEC was as strong as everyone (ESPiN) thinks, how do they end the season with two undefeated teams? If they were as strong as they claim, their Conference Champ would likely have two losses in conference every year.
They are top heavy good, but not because they play a quality opponent every week in the SEC.
Can't believe ESPiN puts out the propaganda and everyone else eats it up.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

I disagree. Here is why...

Losing another CFP game will be very very damaging to the program. The perception that we don't deserve a shot will be cemented and we will need to go undefeated to have another shot. And I think for recruiting, having a win in the sugar bowl would be good momentum.

IMO...
a. The committee, not the OU fans & not CFB fans in general, and definitely not the recruits determine, is who will determine what teams are in the play offs. Everyone else is noise.
b. OU recruiting has improved even w the previous playoff losses. So I’m not buying into a playoff loss would hurt recruiting.
c. The semi finals of the playoffs will have only four teams mentioned all week. Having OU there as one of the four is a big advantage. And if by a small chance that there is a recruit that determines his future based on the outcome of that semi-final game... he’s not the type of player OU is looking for anyway.

Such as it is with me anyway.

 

[Oklabama]

Very good, WNAS.

 

[Salt City Sooner]

I've always thought, if the SEC was as strong as everyone (ESPiN) thinks, how do they end the season with two undefeated teams? If they were as strong as they claim, their Conference Champ would likely have two losses in conference every year.
They are top heavy good, but not because they play a quality opponent every week in the SEC.
Can't believe ESPiN puts out the propaganda and everyone else eats it up.

Along those same lines (but from a little different angle), if they’re the hands down, best by a mile conference in the nation that the media would have you believe, why is their 2nd place (at worst) team a sterling 3-7 (& one of those wins was over G5 Cincy) in their last 10 Sugar Bowl appearances? Seems to me that if they were as deep overall as people claim they are it’d be just a bit better than that. Oh, yeah, I forgot, they just didn’t want to be there.

All due credit to Bama, they’ve had an historic run recently, but there isn’t this Grand Canyon sized gulf between the rest of the SEC & the other conferences that some would have us believe. It’s been almost a decade since someone other than the Tide won it all from that league, that being when Auburn bought Newton back in ‘10.

 

[Zgeo]

Would you rather go to the CFP and play Ohio State? Or go to the Sugar Bowl and play Georgia?

I don't think OU can handle Ohio State. It could look bad. I would rather see them play a manageable team and win in the Sugar Bowl.

What do you folks think?

CFP all day long......all those big ten and sec teams are overated.....media hype.... they play no one....heck the 6 th place shortwhornes almost beat LSU....

 

[Soonerborn59]

As long as they assume SEC superiority every year starting in preseason, the 4-team playoff is a joke. Of course they “play the hardest schedules” by playing each other. Starting out with 6 - 8 “rated” teams in preseason, means they play “rated” teams all year, regardless of how they play (not to mention they only play 8 conference games and 90% of their OOC schedule is the creamiest if cream puffs.

8-teams is what we need with P5 automatic bids, maximum 2 teams from any conference (otherwise would be 4 SEC teams getting in).
P5 automatic bids must be given to teams with no more than 3 losses (maybe even max of 2 losses??). Conferences decide the team that gets their bid, not the committee. If P5 doesn’t have a qualifier, it reverts to an at-large bid. G5 and independents also gets 1 auto bid, if they qualify (must have max 1 loss and be rated top 15 or something like that). This leaves a minimum of 2 at-large bids.

Don’t want to get screwed over for an at large bid? Then win your conference.

I think if a public opinion poll was conducted the biggest majority would be in favor of an 8 team playoff with 5 P5 Conference Champs as autos, 1 G5 and 2 WC. However the WC or at large teams depending on how you want to word it would need to be determined by some kind of rating system and not allow a committee to let thier personal bias play into it. Someone once suggested allowing the Massey system to be the determining factor where they calculate over 100 different polls made up of computers and the few human polls. Using this system the playoffs ( Based on predicted winners going into CCG) would look like this.

Big 10 - Ohio State
SEC - LSU
B12 - Oklahoma
PAC12 - Utah ( I just don't think Oregon is good enough to beat them )
ACC - Clemson
G5 - Memphis
Next 2 highest ranked from Massey Composit - Georgia, Penn State

I have had many conversations with CFB fans that come and go where I work and most agree the current system is a big fraud and leans heavily towards the SEC. I think it is safe to say we all want a true playoff and those that argue against auto bids are mostly fans from the SEC who continue to get the benifit of doubt by this committee. The bottom line is the selection process needs taken away from the humans and reward conference champs first and foremost.

 

[runningback43]

I think a lot of people are afraid of change when it comes to college football. At one time the National Champions were declared before the bowl games. At one time you couldn't watch your favorite college football team on TV more than 3 or 4 times per season. Thanks to OU and Georgia suing the NCAA for TV rights we are able to watch the Sooners on TV every week. People are afraid that a playoff will ruin college football, just like they were afraid of teams being on TV. Television has made college football more popular now than it was before all of the exposure. A true playoff will make the regular season even more entertaining. Now all you have to do is win 6 games and you can go to a bowl. If there is a true playoff system like the FCS or Division II then 6 win teams are no longer rewarded.

 

[Soonermikee5]

As long as they assume SEC superiority every year starting in preseason, the 4-team playoff is a joke. Of course they “play the hardest schedules” by playing each other. Starting out with 6 - 8 “rated” teams in preseason, means they play “rated” teams all year, regardless of how they play (not to mention they only play 8 conference games and 90% of their OOC schedule is the creamiest if cream puffs.

8-teams is what we need with P5 automatic bids, maximum 2 teams from any conference (otherwise would be 4 SEC teams getting in).
P5 automatic bids must be given to teams with no more than 3 losses (maybe even max of 2 losses??). Conferences decide the team that gets their bid, not the committee. If P5 doesn’t have a qualifier, it reverts to an at-large bid. G5 and independents also gets 1 auto bid, if they qualify (must have max 1 loss and be rated top 15 or something like that). This leaves a minimum of 2 at-large bids.

Don’t want to get screwed over for an at large bid? Then win your conference.

There are problematic issues with an 8 team playoff. For instance, 8 teams would most likely mean the SEC CCG winner and loser both get a playoff spot. So why even play the game?

 

[OUSOONER67]

Sooners don't back down from nobody.
Don't be scared of any of these overhyped overpimped Media Darling teams.
Bring em on no matter who they are. Is there one team out there that is head and shoulders above the rest? I have not seen them yet. Anything can happen in the playoffs or Bowl game for that matter.
I remember Aggie laying wood to us in the Cotton Bowl with Johnny Punk.
If we are gonna go down at least going down in the playoffs swinging is better than going to a Bowl game with no implications and getting whipped.
Lets get past Baylor and see what happens but none of the teams ahead of us scare me.
BOOMER!

 

[runningback43]

There are problematic issues with an 8 team playoff. For instance, 8 teams would most likely mean the SEC CCG winner and loser both get a playoff spot. So why even play the game?

An 8 team playoff might not be perfect, but it's a whole lot better than what we have now. I'd like to see a playoff go even further and take on the same model as every other division in college football.

 

[Rush2112Sooner]

There are problematic issues with an 8 team playoff. For instance, 8 teams would most likely mean the SEC CCG winner and loser both get a playoff spot. So why even play the game?

That would be an interesting debate - nobody is forcing the SEC to play the game now, let alone if the playoffs expand to 8 teams. The CCGs are nothing but a money grab. I don’t think anyone would care if all the CCGs went away.

In my proposal for playoffs expansion, the P5 conferences each get to decide how they determine their champion that get their automatic bid. That should remove some of the bias that surrounds teams like ‘Bama (assumption that they get in every year as long as they have 0 or 1 loss.)

If they want to keep it at 4, we need 4 “Super Conferences”, 16 teams each, 2 divisions of 8 teams. Play all 7 other teams in your division and the 8th conference game the 1’s play 1’s, 2’s play 2’s, etc. This would essentially be the first round of the playoffs for the 1’s and doesn’t require an extra game as its played in the 12th game of the schedule.

 

[larwilli]

The loser of the CCG isn't always the 2nd best team in the conference because of the divisions. When the Big 12 actually was 12 teams and 2 divisions, you could make the argument that OU and Texas were better than any team in the North.

 

[JConXtsy]

Sooners don't back down from nobody.

No doubt. I can't believe this is a question here. CFP is the only answer. You can't win a title without being in a title game.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

8 team playoff scenario if it ended today...

#1 LSU vs #8 Baylor
#2 tOSU va 7 Florida
#3 Clemson vs #6 OU
#4 Georgia vs #5 Utah

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

Here’s another point for discussion.

The quality players (1st & 2nd rd NFL draft picks) that aren’t in the playoff picture will start sitting out of the Bowl Games. And I don’t blame them. If the mir Bowl Game offers nothing toward determining a run at a Championship then they should protect themselves and their best interests as well.

I’m all for a Top 12 format w/ byes going to the top teams. Drop the Championship games.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

8 game playoff scenario if it ended today...

#1 LSU vs #8 Baylor
#2 tOSU va 7 Florida
#3 Clemson vs #6 OU
#4 Georgia vs #5 Utah

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

In the above 8 team play off... who you got for the four games?

I have LSU, tOSU, OU, & Georgia

Yep I’m a homer. So what.

 

[runningback43]

I think your predictions are spot on WNAS.