Girls go un beaten in the big 12, first since 1998 Nebraska! Who's Nebraska???
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They were a has been powerhouse, sometime in the 20th Century. Kind of like the Wehrmacht in the 1930's
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This team leads the NCAA in era, runs per game and defensive avg. That's pitching, hitting
and defense. That's as close to perfection that you'll ever see in any sport. I wonder if any other team has done all 3?
and defense. That's as close to perfection that you'll ever see in any sport. I wonder if any other team has done all 3?
I just found this on the NCAA stats, the following.1st era. 1.09, 1st, fp. .991, 1st rpg.6.96,
1st slg pct, .546 and tied with UCLA best won loss record 44-3. They dominate the team
stat board like no team has ever. Oh they're tied for 2nd in HRs per game 1.38. Wow this
team has it all.
1st slg pct, .546 and tied with UCLA best won loss record 44-3. They dominate the team
stat board like no team has ever. Oh they're tied for 2nd in HRs per game 1.38. Wow this
team has it all.
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Who is Nebraska? In 2010 they were number 8 on the all time winning percentage list in football. 837-345-40 (.701). Then they bolted to the Big 10. One Nebraska regent wondered if the move might turn them into just another Iowa. Today they rank number 9 on the list at (893-380-40 (.6953). They've become more like another Idaho state. USC assumed the number 8 spot.
Oh, I'd love it if Nebraska started dominating the Big Ten. Not going to happen, but Frost will make them more competitive.
If you lived in Nebraska you would prefer they were horrible each year. Nothing worse than Nebraska fans when they are good.
Times have changed, l know. But my experience is the opposite of yours. I am sure they are out there, but l have never met an ungracious Husker fan.
And l've met a bunch.
Bill Callahan was a primary jerk. But I've met far more jerks claiming to be Sooner fans here, than I have Husker fans anywhere. There are plenty of jerks all over the place.
And l've met a bunch.
Bill Callahan was a primary jerk. But I've met far more jerks claiming to be Sooner fans here, than I have Husker fans anywhere. There are plenty of jerks all over the place.
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During the years before the Stoops' era, and when OU and Nebraska were both in the same conference, the rivalry was great, classy and civil.
But as with politics, the world of sports is now under the cloud of taunting, cheap shots and excessive incivility.
But as with politics, the world of sports is now under the cloud of taunting, cheap shots and excessive incivility.
The last time OU played Nubby in the Big XII championship games, I got texts and phone calls when Nubby got up early on the Sooners. When Sooner Magic crushed their hearts once again I decided to text those same people back. I got a lot of curse words thrown at me. I get sick of Nubby fans thinking they are better than everybody else in the country. Just last night I got crap from somebody for wearing my Boomer Sooner shirt. I simply told him to call me when they win another conference championship.
I'm not a "professional tourist" anymore so I don't get to visit Lincoln and Omaha the way I once did. Do the Husker fans have any regret bolting the Big 12? I can imagine how the regent who expressed concerns about the move feels. And I can understand the ire felt against UT by the Nebraska administration. But with UT's tarnished reputation and ESPN's staggering losses with the LHN boondoggle, I'm not sure the steep price Nebraska is paying was worth the jump. I don't see a bright future for Nebraska in the Big 10.
Agree.
Nebraska has, IMO, geography working against it nowadays. It neighbors South Dakota to the north, Kansas to the south, Iowa to the east and Wyoming and Colorado to the west. These states are not fertile recruiting areas. And playing in what is now considered a remote area of the country....a least by high school boys....may doom Nebraska to its days in the 1950's. It may already have happened.
Secondly, Nebraska has a great history, but it's historical relevance in attracting talent is diminished as time goes on. Teenagers in general don't know, don't appreciate and don't care about history and legacies. (And they have today's liberal historians interpreting and distorting history for them.)
The legacies of Bob Devaney and Tom Osborne don't seem to have much leverage recruiting boys from either coast or Texas, and talent from instate is not nearly enough to keep Nebraska from ever being a powerhouse again.
I believe Nebraska has shot itself in the foot big time and I'm saddened by that.
The Nebraska fans that I am friends with are happy that they're in the Big 10. Biggest reason they like it is that they got away from the big bad bully Texas. I still think it's because they couldn't beat OU or Texass and they thought the Big 10 would be easier.
Nebraska started going downhill when the NCAA started cracking down on their "walk on" program and steroids. No longer can they invite some big kid from the farm to be a "walk on" (money under the dinner plates of hosts, and bogus means of providing financial support) and then put that same kid on the juice, and later weed the garden of the ones that don't grow. They got really good with homegrown, juiced up talent, and a few skilled players sprinkled in from the nether regions. They got not good after they were forced to change. No juice, no glory.
Veritas, you are right on the juice. Nebraska used to admit a lot of partial qualifiers as well. Once they weren't allowed to have a crap ton of partial qualifiers they started falling off as well. There national championship teams in the 90's were full of partial qualifiers. Nobody else would admit them so they went to Nebraska.
I did not know the Nebraska walk-on program was dirty. This is the first I've read saying it was.
Allegedly.
https://www.si.com/vault/1991/05/06...o-open-up-nebraskas-ultraconservative-offense
"One persistent theory has to do with anabolic steroids. During the early and mid-'80s, Nebraska was regarded as a hotbed of steroid use. In a 1987 article in SI, Dean Steinkuhler, the 1983 Outland Trophy winner, admitted that he used steroids while a guard at Nebraska, and the 1989 book Big Red Confidential: Inside Nebraska Football, written by former SI staffer Armen Keteyian, stated that steroid use was widespread among the Huskers. However, in 1984 Osborne began random drug testing. Although no cause and effect can be proved, in recent years Nebraska's offensive linemen—the key to his push-'em-back, grind-it-out attack-have grown notably weaker.
For example, in 1983 the best bench press among Husker offensive linemen was 445 pounds. Last year the best performance by a Husker offensive lineman on the bench was guard Dave Jensen's 364 pounds. In 1990 the best squat on the team was achieved not by a lineman but by a 6'1", 210-pound strong safety, Curtis Cotton."
So I guess the big pastimes in Nebraska are farming and weight lifting.
I wonder if steroid use would benefit a player in today's game. It's a speed league now.
I'm not under the impression that a team can't be good, because of location or any other uncontrollable factor. It seems to me that coaching is still the ultimate factor. Do something exciting, get a little momentum, the recruits will come regardless of everything else.
There are a number of less desirable locations that are racking up trophies and success due to a pipeline of successful coaches. Time will tell if Scott Frost can be one.
I'm not under the impression that a team can't be good, because of location or any other uncontrollable factor. It seems to me that coaching is still the ultimate factor. Do something exciting, get a little momentum, the recruits will come regardless of everything else.
There are a number of less desirable locations that are racking up trophies and success due to a pipeline of successful coaches. Time will tell if Scott Frost can be one.
No CFB team between California and Ohio and north of Oklahoma has a national championship since Nebraska's back-to-back titles in 1996-97.
Teams like Iowa, Wisconsin, Boise State are very competitive, but none are real powerhouses with long standing championship worthiness.
BYU (in Utah) "won" a title by playing a dwarf-laden schedule and barely beating a 6-loss Michigan team in 1984.
As in real estate, it's "location, location, location" that sells recruits nowadays.
Teams like Iowa, Wisconsin, Boise State are very competitive, but none are real powerhouses with long standing championship worthiness.
BYU (in Utah) "won" a title by playing a dwarf-laden schedule and barely beating a 6-loss Michigan team in 1984.
As in real estate, it's "location, location, location" that sells recruits nowadays.
The Huskers’ program has been in decline for the better part of 15+ years and I believe it is due to coaching. Bob D and Doc Tom did amazing jobs, but Osborne last seasons were fairly disappointing like so many other greats. I feel also the move from the Big 8 to the Big 12 hurt Nebraska even though early on they were champions. However, those early Big 12 days were some of Oklahoma’s most dismal. I never felt Nebraska would be as competitive in the Big 10 because the program’s decline had already begun. OU - Nebraska has always been my favorite rivalry, but even that great game lost its luster when the Big 12 was formed. Annual rivalries are always best. So since the Big 12, the RRR has been the game for me, even though it was more fun when we played Texas and Nebraska every year.
CT, it was a wink wink walk on program. Many, if not most, were compensated in other ways.
NU and Osborne both got a little dirty during that time period but honestly no more than any other program. I think Frost may just resurrect the Huskers and I hope he does because quite frankly I cant stand TOSU fans in general or Meyers. So if Frost can get NU back to playing at that high level I wish him the best.
As far as the softball team goes, they are a well rounded bunch and I think they have a great shot to 3-peat. Enjoy watching them play but winning it 3 straight times is going to be a huge challenge.
I don't disagree, but the Saint Tom crap got old.
Saint Tom isn't a Saint. Let's just say there are some skeletons in his closet.
Think you might be thinking of the Solich years. Osborne won the NC 3 of his last 4 years coaching, including a split natty (Frost was his QB, fwiw) with Michigan his last year.
You’re right. Exactly, right. I was thinking of Solich. Guess it’s time to start fact checking my posts before tapping Post Reply.
It's ok, Dude. Fake news abides these days. Still, there are rules
Man, I intended to say something clever as I fessed up, then you come along and trump me.
Hey it happens to the best of us eventually and we get busted.
Bama, a question for you. On Facebook yesterday there is a Cain's Ballroom feed that has a picture of Bob Wills & his caravan in front of a Tulsa Buick dealership circa '35-40 with the question of what intersection. I guessed 11th & Elgin but am probably wrong. Any clue ?
Bama, a question for you. On Facebook yesterday there is a Cain's Ballroom feed that has a picture of Bob Wills & his caravan in front of a Tulsa Buick dealership circa '35-40 with the question of what intersection. I guessed 11th & Elgin but am probably wrong. Any clue ?
Oh I agree about Dr Tom. He was loved by the media but he was as dirty as most other coaches at high level programs. Got so damned tired of the media acting as if he was a saint.
No sir. I’m fairly certain there wasn’t many Buick dealers in the state back then. Probably only one in Tulsa. I am also “fairly” certain that that the first Buick dealership was opened in the late teens or early 20’s in OKC. Back then the dealer showrooms were on an upper floor while the bottom floor served as the parts and service. If the photo you saw looked like a first floor showroom it was probably built after 1925. I didn’t move to Tulsa until 1995, but still know a bit about the Tulsa auto market just not that far back. Was that even your question?
Little confused lately. LOL. You might find your answer on the GM historical website.
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Much the same way we are led to believe politicians are saints....or demons.
The picture looked like old downtown Tulsa but was too close up of the building and cars so couldn't get any landmarks or street signs. (the question on the Cain's page was what was the location of the dealership) Maybe I'll see an answer on FB later
Chick Norton Buick was at 220 E 8th St (about 8th & Detroit). I guessed 11th & Elgin which is about 4 or 5 blocks away...
Chick Norton Buick was at 220 E 8th St (about 8th & Detroit). I guessed 11th & Elgin which is about 4 or 5 blocks away...
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Re: the upper midwest teams competitiveness; Iowa has thrown more big bucks down the crapper in the last 20 years for what ? One or two 'co-champ' years and maybe 2 Big bowl wins vs a .500 record against the likes of Iowa State and Northwestern. I'm 99% sure Ferentz doesn't own an outright league title yet he's a top 10 paid coach and nepotism rules in Ia City at this point. Wisconsin was for real last year
Awesome stats, for sure. My question, and not meant to disparage their accomplishments...what is their RPI? The knock on OU is that we’re in a weak conference, and that although we schedule tough OOC games, we still play an easier conference schedule than the PAC-12 or the SEC. How do we stack up as far as our strength of schedule?
