Sanchez is at it Again

[SoonerTulsan]

Zack Sanchez — one of OU’s top defenders — got defensive when asked about those who questioned coordinator Mike Stoops.

“He works just as hard as he did last year, but at the end of the day it’s just us playing better as a defense,” Sanchez said during a Sunday morning media session. “Coaches take a lot of heat for the bad play that we put on the field. Ultimately we take accountability for a lot of that stuff, and especially myself personally.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...cle_4afb1cff-0b85-5411-af81-5935ecb33f21.html

Discuss amongst yourselves.

 

[K2C Sooner]

Zack Sanchez — one of OU’s top defenders — got defensive when asked about those who questioned coordinator Mike Stoops.

“He works just as hard as he did last year, but at the end of the day it’s just us playing better as a defense,” Sanchez said during a Sunday morning media session. “Coaches take a lot of heat for the bad play that we put on the field. Ultimately we take accountability for a lot of that stuff, and especially myself personally.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...cle_4afb1cff-0b85-5411-af81-5935ecb33f21.html

Discuss amongst yourselves.

I rate this an average post, not great, just average.............

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Zack Sanchez — one of OU’s top defenders — got defensive when asked about those who questioned coordinator Mike Stoops.

“He works just as hard as he did last year, but at the end of the day it’s just us playing better as a defense,” Sanchez said during a Sunday morning media session. “Coaches take a lot of heat for the bad play that we put on the field. Ultimately we take accountability for a lot of that stuff, and especially myself personally.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...cle_4afb1cff-0b85-5411-af81-5935ecb33f21.html

Discuss amongst yourselves.

Well, better that there is communication in the ranks, even if it's contentious, than just kicking the can down the road in mediocrity like last year...eff that crap.

 

[SoonerTulsan]

Yeah, but when we keep reading stuff like this, it makes it hard for a rational, knowledgeable person to NOT want to fire Coach Mike?? Sanchez and Venebales obviously have NO idea what they're talking about. I agree with The poster that said early this season that Coach Mike won't be here after this season and deserves to be fired. Sanchez should be benched for covering for him. Crap like this makes us posters look like we don't have a clue what we're talking about!!

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Yeah, but when we keep reading stuff like this, it makes it hard for a rational, knowledgeable person to NOT want to fire Coach Mike?? Sanchez and Venebales obviously have NO idea what they're talking about. I agree with The poster that said early this season that Coach Mike won't be here after this season and deserves to be fired. Sanchez should be benched for covering for him. Crap like this makes us posters look like we don't have a clue what we're talking about!!

Ha!
You had me there for a pico second!

 

[SoonerTulsan]

Ha!
You had me there for a pico second!

And here I thought you were sarcasm-proofed. Especially with this topic. I'm extremely elf disappointed.

 

[fortworth4ou2]

Yeah, but when we keep reading stuff like this, it makes it hard for a rational, knowledgeable person to NOT want to fire Coach Mike?? Sanchez and Venebales obviously have NO idea what they're talking about. I agree with The poster that said early this season that Coach Mike won't be here after this season and deserves to be fired. Sanchez should be benched for covering for him. Crap like this makes us posters look like we don't have a clue what we're talking about!!

Are you really gonna go there to potentially prove some inane point you believe yourself to be making? Could it be that you are maybe as gullible as gullible can be in this instance? Certainly not saying you are.

Regarding the interview, could it reasonably be taken that it simply falls under the category, "what would you expect him (a subordinate) to say about his current and highly influential 'boss' publicly who just happens to be the brother to the mega-accomplished leader of our high profile team?" His words are made nearly literally on the eve of the biggest game of young Sanchez's career as well perhaps as that of team leadership.

Is he REALLY going to take this opportunity to potentially ruin team chemistry by trashing out team leadership when it just might have severe and damaging consequences on New Years Eve and to the career he expects to have on Sundays?

C'mon ST. Time to get off your high horse. As for me, and for purposes of consistency, I'll wait til he writes his definitive book on the matter far down the road.

He just might be dead on target with his words. But, to take them as the gospel based on the circumstances presented and especially for you to use them to prove some apparent empty point, seems somewhat absurd to me.

That said, go Sooners and go Sanchez.

Boomer Sooner

 

[SoonerTulsan]

Are you really gonna go there to potentially prove some inane point you believe yourself to be making? Could it be that you are maybe as gullible as gullible can be in this instance? Certainly not saying you are.

Regarding the interview, could it reasonably be taken that it simply falls under the category, "what would you expect him (a subordinate) to say about his current and highly influential 'boss' publicly who just happens to be the brother to the mega-accomplished leader of our high profile team?" His words are made nearly literally on the eve of the biggest game of young Sanchez's career as well perhaps as that of team leadership.

Is he REALLY going to take this opportunity to potentially ruin team chemistry by trashing out team leadership when it just might have severe and damaging consequences on New Years Eve and to the career he expects to have on Sundays?

C'mon ST. Time to get off your high horse.

He just might be dead on target with his words. But, to take them as the gospel based on the circumstances presented and especially to prove some apparent empty point, seems somewhat absurd to me.

That said, go Sooners and go Sanchez.

Boomer Sooner

You have an issue with me using heavy sarcasm to to make a point? This season is pretty strong evidence that Coach Mike wasn't the "problem", I think even the most ardent basher would agree with that. Which should make the sarcasm more obvious. Besides, I'd take Sanchez and Venebles word over a few Monday AM QBs any day. You know, the few that used Coach Stoops quotes that he got out coached as proof that his coaching sucked. I love a good turnabout is fair play every now and again too.

 

[fortworth4ou2]

You have an issue with me using heavy sarcasm to to make a point? This season is pretty strong evidence that Coach Mike wasn't the "problem", I think even the most ardent basher would agree with that. Which should make the sarcasm more obvious. Besides, I'd take Sanchez and Venebles word over a few Monday AM QBs any day. You know, the few that used Coach Stoops quotes that he got out coached as proof that his coaching sucked. I love a good turnabout is fair play every now and again too.

A predictable response based on your history as I believe I know it.

It's not so much the sarcasm alone that is bothersome. It is the perceived, by me, flawed logic and lack of humility on your part that then ACCOMPANIES the sarcasm that is most biting to me.

You seem to love Mike. I'm not there yet but maybe I will eventually be. No doubt, the D played well this year and was thrilling to see. That said, I believe Mike benefitted greatly from a shift in duties (Bob's brilliant adjustment), through the efforts of some new D coaches (Bob's hires), and some fortuitous late season matchups (critical key opponent injuries to BU, TCU, and OSU beyond his and Bob's control).

Seems to me that Bob was the true D hero here and not so much Mike. As always, though, I could be wrong and probably am. I'm sure you will show me the way.

But then, what do I know? I'm just a ne'er-do-well, TV viewing novice without the "formal" training of more accomplished "others" to dare formulate an opinion of substance.

Boomer Sooner

 

[fortworth4ou2]

While I'm at it, Bob's hire of Riley as OC, the timely emergence of our walk-on QB and JUCO WR, and the availability of Mixon benefitted the D as well. I'm sure I'm wrong in my thinking. It could just be possible that Mike was pretty lucky this year.

Sometimes, the Best D is made by the best O or some such. Go Mike!

Boomer Sooner

 

[K2C Sooner]

Fort Worth, I don't understand the disrespect for Tulsan and esp Plaino.
You seem to be a great poster unless these two post a post. Then it goes to hell.

You once asked me to back off attacking certain posters and I did. I put them on ignore.

I have no idea why you hate plaino, but it's been going on for years.

I know exactly why WNAS responds in the way he does. It goes back to his mod days. I can live with that.

Why do you hate these guy's? Thanks for any answer...................

 

[SoonerTulsan]

A predictable response based on your history as I believe I know it.

It's not so much the sarcasm alone that is bothersome. It is the perceived, by me, flawed logic and lack of humility on your part that then ACCOMPANIES the sarcasm that is most biting to me.

Perceived is the key word here. You already KNOW I have NO ISSUE admitting when I'm wrong, yet I never see you respond in kind to a few here that are completely incapable of it, even when it's proven. And don't forget, it's hard to be humble when you're a Sooner.

You seem to love Mike. I'm not there yet but maybe I will eventually be.

Like I SEEM to love Coach Heupel?? If you want to know what I think about a coach, ask me. I defended Coach Heupel when play calling was blamed after a loss when it was obvious to me it wasn't. Go to a national board and tell them how proud you are we fired a coach that averaged 40 points a game during a 5-loss season. You'll get dogpiled worse than barkingyank does here because it's ridiculous. It' wouldve been LOGICAL to blame our DC last year, but no, we lost 5 games due to play calling. Now THATS illogical. So because I supported the logical view, I loved Coach Heupel. Only someone that doesn't want to see the truth would think that. Perhaps some who would have to admit they were wrong. Imagine that.

I defend Coach Mike the same way. Many got on the "fire Coach Mike" Lynch mob wagon early in the season. Goobers like WNAS were boasting Coach Mike will be fired at the end of the season after a when our OFFENSE was struggling. So yes, defending him is EASY and logical. What's ILLOGICAL is message board posters claiming they know more than the coaches and suggesting they be fired....especially when it backfires on them...like with Coach Mike. And to beat you to it I HAVE NEVER SAID NOR DO I BELIEVE THEY ARE ABOVE CRITICISM. But when I read that a coach should be fired by a poster or posters that can't give logical reasons, facts or data as to WHY, I have this tendency to use logic, facts, and data to disagree. Even at the expense of being incorrectly accused of "loving" a given coach.

No doubt, the D played well this year and was thrilling to see. That said, I believe Mike benefitted greatly from a shift in duties (Bob's brilliant adjustment), through the efforts of some new D coaches (Bob's hires), and some fortuitous late season matchups (critical key opponent injuries to BU, TCU, and OSU beyond his and Bob's control).

Interesting view, and potentially more accurate than you know. I'm sure glad we didn't fire Coach Stoops...aren't you??

Seems to me that Bob was the true D hero here and not so much Mike. As always, though, I could be wrong and probably am. I'm sure you will show me the way.

I disagree that Coach Stoops was the true D hero, but he definitely contributed. But hey, you could be right.

But then, what do I know? I'm just a ne'er-do-well, TV viewing novice without the "formal" training of more accomplished "others" to dare formulate an opinion of substance.

Perhaps, but you're an expert at condenscending snide remarks and playing passive/aggressive, which I actually respect more than you know. So going forward, if you want to know what I think, ask. I'm not shy. Otherwise, I'll use logic against emotion when some goobers want to fire a coach during an NC season. Indulge me if I rub their noses in it as well if they lack character as well. Present company excluded obviously. If any of the above was unclear and you're still unsure where I ACCURATELY stand...I'm afraid I can't articulate it any better. Perhaps you'd be willing to teach me??

Boomer Sooner

 

[fortworth4ou2]

Fort Worth, I don't understand the disrespect for Tulsan and esp Plaino.
You seem to be a great poster unless these two post a post. Then it goes to hell.

You once asked me to back off attacking certain posters and I did. I put them on ignore.

I have no idea why you hate plaino, but it's been going on for years.

I know exactly why WNAS responds in the way he does. It goes back to his mod days. I can live with that.

Why do you hate these guy's? Thanks for any answer...................

K2C,

I have a great deal of respect for you personally, your thoughts in most cases, and especially your hilarious gifs. In fact, I respect everyone here and especially their civil expressions. Doesn't mean I will always be in agreement with those expressions.

I must say, though, I find it telling that you apparently assign to me total blame for posting disrespect when I disagree on occasion with plaino and Tulsan. Unlike many here, I don't respond that much to others posts - especially in the cases of plaino and Tulsan - unless I perceive some unnecessary or unreasonable slight on their part toward another has occurred. And, for the most part, I attempt to be civil in all my disagreements. Certainly, not the hell of which you refer.

When I feel a poster is taking excessive/unwarranted "pot-shots" at others, I attempt to bring it to their attention especially those whom I believe are reasonable people who would be understanding and might benefit from such action. My purpose and goal IS to be respectful. Perhaps I am errant in doing so or in the manner in which it is offered but my intent is to help improve discourse. I have no doubt they would do the same for me when I go astray and I will at times. Well intended and respectful reciprocation can, and often is, a real blessing.

You post that I hate. I respectfully disagree...for the most part. I actually appreciate what most posters bring to this forum including plaino and Tulsan. They are also my valued brothers and I reveal that with all sincerity. Doesn't mean we won't have an occasional hiccup towards something that each might post. I guess you don't see their occasional and unnecessary negativity toward others from time to time. Maybe your personal bias is at play here. Maybe not.

I have neither the time, inclination, nor temperament to waste my efforts in such a way. It's not that I am above hate...I can hate in certain situations. If someone, for instance, poses a real threat to the personal safety of my family, myself, or an innocent/deserving other(s) and acts on that threat, my hatred could be exposed temporarily and I would most likely exercise extreme prejudice against the offender. This hate, I hope, would not be a lingering one.

Not sure if this helps to answer your questions but I hope I am genuine and sincere in my thoughts to you. It's important to me.

Boomer Sooner

 

[fortworth4ou2]

ST,

We are so much more alike than not, imho.

Thank you brother for being civil to the greatest extent possible. There is much iron in your words to me especially the critical ones. Are you sure you're not my brother from the same mother?

Until next time.

Boomer Sooner

 

[CTOkie]

Zack Sanchez — one of OU’s top defenders — got defensive when asked about those who questioned coordinator Mike Stoops.

“He works just as hard as he did last year, but at the end of the day it’s just us playing better as a defense,” Sanchez said during a Sunday morning media session. “Coaches take a lot of heat for the bad play that we put on the field. Ultimately we take accountability for a lot of that stuff, and especially myself personally.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...cle_4afb1cff-0b85-5411-af81-5935ecb33f21.html

Discuss amongst yourselves.

Win as a team, lose as a team....that includes players and coaches.....but there's never any middle ground here on this board.
The deliberate baiting that's been cast in this thread's OP reflects this.

 

[22LR]

Win as a team, lose as a team....that includes players and coaches.....but there's never any middle ground here on this board.

I agree with the first part of your sentence completely. The last part of your sentence is an exaggeration. The majority here know it takes a team.

 

[K2C Sooner]

K2C,

I have a great deal of respect for you personally, your thoughts in most cases, and especially your hilarious gifs. In fact, I respect everyone here and especially their civil expressions. Doesn't mean I will always be in agreement with those expressions.

I must say, though, I find it telling that you apparently assign to me total blame for posting disrespect when I disagree on occasion with plaino and Tulsan. Unlike many here, I don't respond that much to others posts - especially in the cases of plaino and Tulsan - unless I perceive some unnecessary or unreasonable slight on their part toward another has occurred. And, for the most part, I attempt to be civil in all my disagreements. Certainly, not the hell of which you refer.

When I feel a poster is taking excessive/unwarranted "pot-shots" at others, I attempt to bring it to their attention especially those whom I believe are reasonable people who would be understanding and might benefit from such action. My purpose and goal IS to be respectful. Perhaps I am errant in doing so or in the manner in which it is offered but my intent is to help improve discourse. I have no doubt they would do the same for me when I go astray and I will at times. Well intended and respectful reciprocation can, and often is, a real blessing.

You post that I hate. I respectfully disagree...for the most part. I actually appreciate what most posters bring to this forum including plaino and Tulsan. They are also my valued brothers and I reveal that with all sincerity. Doesn't mean we won't have an occasional hiccup towards something that each might post. I guess you don't see their occasional and unnecessary negativity toward others from time to time. Maybe your personal bias is at play here. Maybe not.

I have neither the time, inclination, nor temperament to waste my efforts in such a way. It's not that I am above hate...I can hate in certain situations. If someone, for instance, poses a real threat to the personal safety of my family, myself, or an innocent/deserving other(s) and acts on that threat, my hatred could be exposed temporarily and I would most likely exercise extreme prejudice against the offender. This hate, I hope, would not be a lingering one.

Not sure if this helps to answer your questions but I hope I am genuine and sincere in my thoughts to you. It's important to me.

Boomer Sooner

Thanks for the reply. I reread my post and I'm extremely disturbed I used the word "hate" when trying to get an answer. Of all the posters on this board I know you probably don't have that word in your vocabulary. I apologize.
Now back to my original point, I have several posters on this board that I consider my favorite, you are one. When I see a few of them go after each other, yes it's disturbing, but only on my part. I have posters I dislike. I ignore them, under your advice. I was only trying to make that point and failed.
Sorry again. And BTW, you better not slack off on posting your game day thread on Thursday. 9AM sounds about right.............HA!

 

[Belldozer1]

I think Mike Stoops has done a great job this year. I also believe execution was the primary culprit for the Texas loss and not so much scheme imo. Refreshing to see Mike Stoops is NOT teaching certain db's to bite on double moves. Jk

 

[bcsoonerfan]

Bait? Who cares when the fish have earned it.

Maybe if those who this is intended bait for had ever shown one ounce of humility or respect, this might be deemed unnecessary. But alas, it has never happened and will never happen, so I'm perfectly content with baiting the fish and throwing their dumb asses up on the bank to flop and wriggle until they are without life.

Nobody eats carp anyway.

 

[SoonerTulsan]

ST,

We are so much more alike than not, imho.

Thank you brother for being civil to the greatest extent possible. There is much iron in your words to me especially the critical ones. Are you sure you're not my brother from the same mother?

Until next time.

Boomer Sooner

I appreciate it, and honestly, I've "known" this for more than a few years. Did your Mom or Dad ever get up to Tulsa back in the late 50s???

I've always said that you CAN get a good feel for another's character on a message board if they post long enough and you pay attention. Your's has never been questionable to me in the least. You're a good man...Bro.

 

[fortworth4ou2]

Thanks for the reply. I reread my post and I'm extremely disturbed I used the word "hate" when trying to get an answer. Of all the posters on this board I know you probably don't have that word in your vocabulary. I apologize.
Now back to my original point, I have several posters on this board that I consider my favorite, you are one. When I see a few of them go after each other, yes it's disturbing, but only on my part. I have posters I dislike. I ignore them, under your advice. I was only trying to make that point and failed.
Sorry again. And BTW, you better not slack off on posting your game day thread on Thursday. 9AM sounds about right.............HA!

9:00 a.m. sounds good to me.

Thanks for your civility

Boomer Sooner

 

[SoonerTulsan]

Win as a team, lose as a team....that includes players and coaches.....but there's never any middle ground here on this board.
The deliberate baiting that's been cast in this thread's OP reflects this.

I can COMFORTABLY say that when it comes to myself, and I'm pretty certain Plaino...we ARE the middle ground. Sadly, and I truly believe this, a few simply refuse to see or accept that. I'm not shy with my views and the response to Ft Worth above are WORTH READING IF YOU'RE UNSURE....for the 90th time to anyone who has questions.

CT, you have a bone for Plaino as well that I simply can't understand. You've been around here a LONG time like me and you should KNOW how knowledgeable, informed, and relatively speaking level-headed he is. Just like FTWorth's response to me above, I can't count the number of times I've read phrases "you seem", "you act like", "you think" in response to something Plaino and I have posted related to coaching. It goes without saying....there are a LOT of assumptions behind those thoughts and words that I KNOW are not true.

If you want to know....ask me. I WILL tell you what I think. If someone wants to fire an offensive coach after a loss when we scored 38 points or a defensive coach after we had 24 scored on us, odds are VERY GOOD we'll debate the topic. BUT STOP ASSUMING (see bold italic above).

If wanted to bait someone, I'd start a thread called "Are People Wanting Fire Coaches Here Incompetent or Just Stupid".

 

[barkingwater2000]

The scary thing is Tulsan actually does believe it

 

[bcsoonerfan]

Tulsan,

The issue is the lack of debate, as far as I'm concerned. A select few want to throw a tantrum when things aren't perfect, or find a player/coach and criticize them until the dead horse is mash potatoes. When asked to defend their statements and their opinions, the react childishly. They defer to their "right to their opinion", make snide remarks of "your drunk", "your obsessed", etc.

All of this is ignored by another select few (who I consider very knowledgeable and respectable posters) who wait for the responses of posters like Tulsan, Plaino and a couple others when they are tired of the bullshit and give the morons a dose of their own medicine. Why do they do this? Because they have grudges against the likes of Plaino and Tulsan, and instead of saying, "yea sometimes I roll in the mud with the pigs", they hide behind self righteous accusations of "appall" for the remarks of their 'enemy' which are directed at a few weasely punks.

 

[CTOkie]

I can COMFORTABLY say that when it comes to myself, and I'm pretty certain Plaino...we ARE the middle ground. Sadly, and I truly believe this, a few simply refuse to see or accept that. I'm not shy with my views and the response to Ft Worth above are WORTH READING IF YOU'RE UNSURE....for the 90th time to anyone who has questions.

CT, you have a bone for Plaino as well that I simply can't understand. You've been around here a LONG time like me and you should KNOW how knowledgeable, informed, and relatively speaking level-headed he is. Just like FTWorth's response to me above, I can't count the number of times I've read phrases "you seem", "you act like", "you think" in response to something Plaino and I have posted related to coaching. It goes without saying....there are a LOT of assumptions behind those thoughts and words that I KNOW are not true.

If you want to know....ask me. I WILL tell you what I think. If someone wants to fire an offensive coach after a loss when we scored 38 points or a defensive coach after we had 24 scored on us, odds are VERY GOOD we'll debate the topic. BUT STOP ASSUMING (see bold italic above).

If wanted to bait someone, I'd start a thread called "Are People Wanting Fire Coaches Here Incompetent or Just Stupid".

My reason for being on this board is to talk football. Try understanding that.
It's your choice if you deify Plaino the way you do in order to "fight the good fight....the noble fight" as he once proclaimed.
It's your choice if you bait others and then deny doing it.
Advocates of firing coaches have been few over the years I've been here.....too few to be concerned about. The few that have don't bother me. It's just their opinions, mostly made out of frustration. And I do not confuse criticism or second guessing coaches as a desire to fire them. Stoops has been too busy doing that over the past few years.

 

[SoonerTulsan]

My reason for being on this board is to talk football. Try understanding that.
It's your choice if you deify Plaino the way you do in order to "fight the good fight....the noble fight" as he once proclaimed.
It's your choice if you bait others and then deny doing it.
Advocates of firing coaches have been few over the years I've been here.....too few to be concerned about. The few that have don't bother me. It's just their opinions, mostly made out of frustration. And I do not confuse criticism or second guessing coaches as a desire to fire them. Stoops has been too busy doing that over the past few years.

First sentence in bold....And it's your choice to believe that...it's inaccurate. Part of MY REASON for being here is to have fun. THIS thread is FUN to me.

Second sentence in bold..so you don't mind someone suggesting a coach be fired, but PLAINO bothers you??? Sorry, I cannot grasp any logic there.

 

[CTOkie]

First sentence in bold....And it's your choice to believe that...it's inaccurate. Part of MY REASON for being here is to have fun. THIS thread is FUN to me.

Second sentence in bold..so you don't mind someone suggesting a coach be fired, but PLAINO bothers you??? Sorry, I cannot grasp any logic there.

Equating baiting and expressing, ad nauseam, an out-of-control obsession is not "having fun".

 

[SoonerTulsan]

Equating baiting and expressing, ad nauseam, an out-of-control obsession is not "having fun".

I've told you a MILLION times to stop exaggerating!! You have your definition of fun, and I'll have mine.

 

[fortworth4ou2]

Tulsan,

The issue is the lack of debate, as far as I'm concerned. A select few want to throw a tantrum when things aren't perfect, or find a player/coach and criticize them until the dead horse is mash potatoes. When asked to defend their statements and their opinions, the react childishly. They defer to their "right to their opinion", make snide remarks of "your drunk", "your obsessed", etc.

All of this is ignored by another select few (who I consider very knowledgeable and respectable posters) who wait for the responses of posters like Tulsan, Plaino and a couple others when they are tired of the bullshit and give the morons a dose of their own medicine. Why do they do this? Because they have grudges against the likes of Plaino and Tulsan, and instead of saying, "yea sometimes I roll in the mud with the pigs", they hide behind self righteous accusations of "appall" for the remarks of their 'enemy' which are directed at a few weasely punks.

Sorry bc. Your 2nd paragraph is way off base and unwarranted, imo.

I'll give you credit, though. Your bias for all things plaino and Tulsan is strong...very strong.

A moratorium was called by fitty in another thread. Out of respect for him, I'll back off for now which is very difficult for me based on what you expressed above.

I assume you know we have an important game coming up. Let's get behind the team.

Boomer Sooner

 

[jobea01]

No matter what way you flip it, this is a classic bait thread. State a condescending and lackadaisical point and then have sarcastic overtones toward those that may have an opposing view point.

I'll agree with whomever said it earlier, I would be more concerned if he didn't take up for his coach a couple nights before a huge game. For some here, the coaches are never wrong and can absolutely do no wrong. It's only on the players and their performance. The last few years I thought the defense got a bad rap because the offense couldn't ever stay on the field and continually put them in bad situations with turn overs and such. That being said, Mike's job wasn't that great either. Sitting back and waiting when he knew teams panicked against the blitz, I don't understand some of that. It's playing not to lose instead of playing to win. This year being in the booth, in my opinion, has been a huge upgrade. I love the angles he brings the defense from and his timing to do it seems to be great.

 

[bcsoonerfan]

Sorry bc. Your 2nd paragraph is way off base and unwarranted, imo.

I'll give you credit, though. Your bias for all things plaino and Tulsan is strong...very strong.

A moratorium was called by fitty in another thread. Out of respect for him, I'll back off for now which is very difficult for me based on what you expressed above.

I assume you know we have an important game coming up. Let's get behind the team.

Boomer Sooner

And you and I can respectfully agree to disagree. I'm only stating it the way I see it.

There's only one thing I can state with certainty: It takes at least 2 to sustain the bickering and I've seen nothing to suggest that you, me, ST, Plaino, WNAS, Yankee, and a handful of others, are not all equally as guilty as the rest. To me, the willingness to admit that is a dividing factor. I will be the first one to say that I deserve plenty of blame. The thing is for me, I've made it clear why I reply the way I do, and say the things I say. I don't care that I'm guilty, and I will happily modify my behavior towards the likes of a few others when given the same in return. But I've tried it. The other end of the bargain was not met.

You know that I can disagree and discuss without disrespect. Validate your opinions and there exist no qualms.

 

[SoonerTulsan]

Tulsan,

The issue is the lack of debate, as far as I'm concerned. A select few want to throw a tantrum when things aren't perfect, or find a player/coach and criticize them until the dead horse is mash potatoes. When asked to defend their statements and their opinions, the react childishly. They defer to their "right to their opinion", make snide remarks of "your drunk", "your obsessed", etc.

All of this is ignored by another select few (who I consider very knowledgeable and respectable posters) who wait for the responses of posters like Tulsan, Plaino and a couple others when they are tired of the bullshit and give the morons a dose of their own medicine. Why do they do this? Because they have grudges against the likes of Plaino and Tulsan, and instead of saying, "yea sometimes I roll in the mud with the pigs", they hide behind self righteous accusations of "appall" for the remarks of their 'enemy' which are directed at a few weasely punks.

I definitely agree that it does "seem" a few posters, who my remarks are rarely directed towards, "seem" to be offended as if they were directed at them. Having said that, ftworth and I are good...have been for years.