Poll - Which Conference should OU be in?
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I didn't actually vote because I think the FBI monitors these boards. For example, those guys in central Oregon ... they got caught because they decided to drive over to Eugene to take in a ball game.
What's the damn country coming to when you can't even occupy a public building, keep the public out, and refuse to leave?
For reasons I never heard about.
What's the damn country coming to when you can't even occupy a public building, keep the public out, and refuse to leave?
For reasons I never heard about.
33 votes wasn't too bad for a board that has about 10 regular posters.
JCon, posts like this is why I like you. You bring a lot of wisdom to the board.
SEC. Nobody wants to be playing north of Nebraska in December. That's just insanity!
The Big 10, like the Big 12, rarely have regular season December games.
I do not see any Big 10 games played past November 28th last season, nor do I see any Big 10 regular season games in December being played in many years. Unless a Big 10 team goes to a bowl game, there aren't any December games.
Games in November in the Big 10 states are rarely impacted by weather....anymore than some teams I know of that play in games that are delayed or interrupted by lightning.
Talk about a spin machine! That is more votes than the SEC or any other conference that is very good on ths board of malcontent. I figure whe counting votes, we all get one point per vote. Stoops, Boren and Joe C get 10 points. So that is 42 to 11.
Whoa, Plaino. You have a degree from Oklahoma University and can't do the math. Only 32% have voted for the B12, however the B12 is winning by a slim margin. So you have made your point.
Hey, Trump is heading towards winning the nomination with around 32% of the vote!! Lol
Stoops wants to stay in the big xii because it is the best chance to make a final 4 and then maybe some Sooner Magic for a national title.
Amazing how many people dont understand how much more difficult it could be leaving the big xii.
Amazing how many people dont understand how much more difficult it could be leaving the big xii.
And yet, the Big XII hasn't won a national title in over 10 years. And on the flip side, the SEC, which many believe the toughest conference in the country, has won 9 of the last 13 national titles. Maybe THAT'S the part most are having trouble understanding......
It's interesting that the PAC is in the running without much or any discussion on here. We've got a lot of PAC lurkers here.
I read a ton of message boards, sports blogs, etc daily and forgive me, but I have yet to see where the SEC is even considering expanding. Am I missing something?
Thanks Mike. I haven't seen one article where the SEC, PAC or B1G are even considering expansion. I've seen a ton written about the Big12...........
Good question. Outside of the Big XII looking to add teams, what other conferences are looking to expand? None so far have gone public about any plans to expand if they exist. But the interesting little tidbit in all of this, is Boren's 3 demands he put forth to the Big XII that he says he needs to see done. Well, what is Boren's trump card if the Big XII chooses not to pursue all his demands?? If Boren has zero leverage in saying he will take OU to another conference, then what incentive does the Big XII have in actually catering to Boren's demands?? Because it's Boren's public demands that got the recent talk of OU going elsewhere going again.
Something just tells me all the talk is a set up strategy for an exit from the big 12. The SEC would be the only logical choice in my opinion. We are a southern state, the geography is right, and the recruiting would open up. Playing better competition makes better teams. Would it be tougher? Of course it would, but wouldn't it be more rewarding? Call me crazy, but I think it would be a step in the right direction. I highly doubt the SEC would let OU pass them by if they were to become available.
I'll vote for anywhere other than the SEC or Big Twelve. I don't think the Big Twelve, as it now stands, will be a survivor when all of the reorganization is "finished." What, really, do schools like OSU, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Iowa State, and Kansas State bring to the table? Do they have TV sets? I see the Big Twelve as a sinking ship, and not all parts of the life raft that we are on float. How long before it is terminal?
I'm sure this is the reason why most fans that object to leaving the B12 have for staying put. It's an easier path to winning.....not just winning national championships, but also winning overall....games, conference championships as well. Here is the deal, the B12 is in trouble, so why not consider another conference? But wait, it may involve better competition so let's not. Man, that's sad.
Define being in trouble. The members of the conference are making a ton of money. OU made the final four last season. They are a much better men's basketball conference, though Kentucky is an SEC aberration. Three straight challenge wins for the XII. Women's basketball is slightly better for the XII. SEC is stronger overall in gymnastics and softball, though OU has national championships in both in the last five years. So it ain't hurtin' us.
I typically go to one football game a year not in Norman. I get to choose from a 20 mile trip to the Cotton Bowl, a 50 mile trip to Amon Carter Stadium or a 110 mile trip to Waco. Next year, they'll be a 260 mile option to a pro stadium in Houston, which might or might not go away depending on a new destination.
This isn't about my selfishness. You want to take that away from the parents of Texas high school recruits. Changing conferences will no help recruiting. The SEC brand might be a little bump, but the distance difference will offset it. We are not A&M. We would not give instate students from Texas the ability to play in the SEC. It's that same mentality of the other grass is greener. That is a hope, not close to a reality.
Like it or not, TCU and Baylor are no longer patsies. Both combined for maybe three conference titles in a 40 years stretch for each when they combined for less than a dozen seasons of seven wins or more. That has changed. OU leaving that conference would help them, not hurt them. A knee jerk reaction that advocates leaving old conference affiliations because of the perception that OU is down, is based on a lousy perception.
I get that your thinking won't change. But I don't think you understand that it is a good thing that Bob's and Joe's and David's won't change either. It is a good thing that they are making the decision that you don't like. Their view is considerably more informed and trustworthy.
I'm do not believe Baylor and TCU (or the Big 12 as a whole) would benefit if OU....and especially OU and Texas...went elsewhere. How could they ?
But if the Big 12 continues as it is, minus two elite teams being added and with OU and Texas no longer the "bullies on the block", I question the conference's long term existence. In time, OU may not have a choice but to migrate elsewhere.
I am not on a first name bases with Bob, Joe or David, which probably makes me a heretic for believing this way.
Nor I. But we both referred to them as Bob, Joe or David, so I guess we do have a similar relationship, except I tend to agree with them more than you do.
If only you could have been there in 1773 to talk Sam Adams out of his insolence.
No, that is definitely not true. But I just don't routinely rag on them when something goes wrong.
I don't think OK is considered a southern state. More of a Midwest or Plains type state. OK was in the North for the Civil War. SEC won't forgive for that.
In all fairness, there is no telling exactly how Bob, Joe or David really feel about this subject. Coaches, ADs and university presidents, especially a former politician.....whoa, make that a politician because Boren continues to be political, which is a good thing, IMO....will say one thing and mean another. It happens all the time. I don't think any of the three would be openly advocating leaving the B12 even if their pants were on fire to go somewhere else. Regardless, you will most likely get your wish, but it may not be what any of the three want themselves. The OSU issue may be too much to overcome.
The SEC is just a wish list for some of us. I think you are right. Not about Oklahoma's association with the Civil War. I'm pretty sure that Oklahoma (Indian Territory at the time) and Missouri were "border states" meaning that citizens from each state served the North and South.
I just don't think the SEC needs OU now that it has expanded to 14 teams. If it goes to 16, maybe, but maybe not.
Most of the Indian tribes sided with the Confederacy.
Stand Watie, leader of the Cherokee nation, was a brigadier general in the Confederate army, commanding the Army of the Trans-Mississippi, comprised of Cherokee, Muskogee and Seminole tribes. Watie was the last Confederate general of the war to surrender in June of 1865.
Having lived in Oklahoma (Tulsa and Norman), having Oklahoma parents (Dewey and Wirt) and grandparents (Wewoka and Healdton) and then attending OU in the late 1960's, I have always considered Oklahoma much more of a southern state (like Texas) than a northern state, as well a western state.
My Oklahoma relatives were not happy when Shell Oil moved my dad from Houston to the New York area in 1955-56, then again in 1960-69.....and not just because it was 1,500 miles away. All of my relatives were born, bred and died (or will die) in Oklahoma.
Stand Watie, leader of the Cherokee nation, was a brigadier general in the Confederate army, commanding the Army of the Trans-Mississippi, comprised of Cherokee, Muskogee and Seminole tribes. Watie was the last Confederate general of the war to surrender in June of 1865.
Having lived in Oklahoma (Tulsa and Norman), having Oklahoma parents (Dewey and Wirt) and grandparents (Wewoka and Healdton) and then attending OU in the late 1960's, I have always considered Oklahoma much more of a southern state (like Texas) than a northern state, as well a western state.
My Oklahoma relatives were not happy when Shell Oil moved my dad from Houston to the New York area in 1955-56, then again in 1960-69.....and not just because it was 1,500 miles away. All of my relatives were born, bred and died (or will die) in Oklahoma.
Could you imagine how happy I'd be with Oklahoma in the PAC? Although I must say, I went to one USC game and one UCLA game this year complete with upscale, private tailgating beforehand, and they didn't even come close to matching the fun and atmosphere of a Norman Gameday. They've got something special going on in Oklahoma.
At first, I thought this was another Sunburnt Indian diatribe, but then you managed to tie your point together in a succinct and informative way at the end which prompted me to check the poster name.
I think the only association that Oklahoma had with the southern states might have been that there were a lot of poor folks after the war who were more eager to have land of their own. I had relatives from Tennessee who made the run, enough of them to grab about three or four sections. But, they were no longer southerners. They were looking for a place where they could have a piece of the pie.
When all the departures started, those three guys certainly got input from elsewhere, but they were the primary decision makers about whether OU would stay in the conference or move on. Other coaches got to contribute, but if that time period taught us anything, it was that football is the real consideration. It was why KU, despite an unsurpassed basketball environment, found themselves on the outside looking in when other conferences came asking.
There were a lot of supplemental decisions. Stay with Texas? Stay with OSU. Would there be state legislature intervention for or against any particular decisions? But it was told by more than one insider that Bob was asked for his preference, specifically about going to the SEC and he was against it. It was likely the number one reason why OU stayed in the XII. This was a multi level decision. It had to be made when Nebraska and Colorado left. It had to be made again when Mizzou and A&M left. And again once since.
If OU wanted to be in the SEC, it would already have happened. I'd be very shocked if that move were made while any of the those three are still in OU leadership. And if Joe C or President Boren were to retire, then I'd expect Bob would soon follow. But that's just a hunch on the latter. But if both were to move on, I don't think Bob would stay much longer. Might even see all three go at the same time. But those guys are going to keep us where we are in all likelihood.
The majority of Indian Territory absolutely did side with the South, but there was also a fair number of Indians living in the Indian Territory that were pro-Union and fought with the North in Missouri and Kansas....according to my 8th and 9th grade teachers. There was a time when Oklahoma History was a requirement in the Mid-Del School System if not statewide. It was one of my favorite subjects.
