OU vs WVU game up....watch all you want!!!
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Billy Ray. Thanks for sharing.
Okay, go to the 22:40 minute mark and see the play where Mayfield lofts a ball done the sideline to Westbrook, who gets lit up by WVU's Karl Joseph. Maybe I'm too partial, but how was this hit not "targeting?" Joseph never once looked at the ball, but played the receiver and led with his head clearly into Westbrook's chin. The announcer states Joseph was "just below the head and neck area," but the crown of Joseph's helmet clearly hits Westbrook in the chin and facemask.
On a day when both teams accounted for 23 combined penalties, this one, in my opinion, was the easiest call of the day, but was blown by the officiating crew. Very, very dangerous play and I'm surprised this crew did not make the call, if anything, to protect a defenseless player.
Okay, go to the 22:40 minute mark and see the play where Mayfield lofts a ball done the sideline to Westbrook, who gets lit up by WVU's Karl Joseph. Maybe I'm too partial, but how was this hit not "targeting?" Joseph never once looked at the ball, but played the receiver and led with his head clearly into Westbrook's chin. The announcer states Joseph was "just below the head and neck area," but the crown of Joseph's helmet clearly hits Westbrook in the chin and facemask.
On a day when both teams accounted for 23 combined penalties, this one, in my opinion, was the easiest call of the day, but was blown by the officiating crew. Very, very dangerous play and I'm surprised this crew did not make the call, if anything, to protect a defenseless player.
I think if you watch the slow motion the crown of the guys helmet hit Westbrook in the upper right pec area. I'm assuming that's why it wasn't targeting than if he had hit Westbrook higher. But with him leading with the crown and how the hit looked in real time, I really can't see how they didn't at least throw the flag and look at it on replay. That was easily close enough for a targeting flag.
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Medic007
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Should have been called. Leading with the crown of the helmet is targeting according to rule regardless of where the impact occurred. What is mentioned specifically about the head and neck also includes forearm, fist, elbow, or shoulder. WVU DB clearly lead with the crown of his helmet into a defenseless player.
RULES
Targeting and Initiating Contact With the Crown of the Helmet (
No player shall target and initiate contact against an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
Targeting and Initiating Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player (Rule 9-1-4)
No player shall target and initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, fist, elbow or shoulder. When in question, it is a foul. (Rule 2-27-14)
Note: Beginning in 2013, ejection from the game is a part of the penalty for violation of both Rule 9-1-3 and Rule 9-1-4.
KEY ELEMENTS
Target—to take aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with an apparent intent that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball.
Crown of the Helmet—the top portion of the helmet.
Contact to the head or neck area—not only with the helmet, but also with the forearm, fist, elbow, or shoulder—these can all lead to a foul.
Defenseless player—a player not in position to defend himself.
Examples (Rule 2-27-14):
A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.A receiver attempting to catch a pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick.A player on the ground.A player obviously out of the play.A player who receives a blind-side block.A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped.A quarterback any time after a change of possession.
KEY INDICATORS
Risk of a foul is high with one or more of these:
Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make contact in the head or neck areaA crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with contact at the head or neck area—even though one or both feet are still on the groundLeading with helmet, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with contact at the head or neck areaLowering the head before attacking by initiating contact with the crown of the helmet
These indicate less risk of a foul:
Heads-up tackle in which the crown of the helmet does not strike above the shouldersWrap-up tackleHead is to the side rather than being used to initiate contactIncidental helmet contact that is not part of targeting but is due to the players changing position during the course of play
HINTS FOR PLAYERS
Don’t lead with your headLower your target--don’t go for the head or neck area with anythingTackle: Heads-up and wrap-up
That's good info. Then from the description it should have drawn a flag for leading with the crown part alone. Whether it would have held up under a review is kinda iffy. A ref could claim he hit the upper pec area, or a ref could also say he targeted the neck area. So it's a coin toss on what a ref would call it I guess. But hell, the flag should have been thrown for sure.
Medic007
Sooner starter
The replay would only be for consideration of player ejection, not whether the penalty would be assessed. It should have been called. Whether worthy of an ejection, we've seen our own player ejected for less.
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