OU is due to win a big game, it's been three years since they have

[BawlzDeep]

Over the last 5 seasons when you disregard conference games and just look at the OOC, OU hasn't had a big win in over three years. Granted, OU swept the Vols, but they're a middle, if not lower tier, team of the SEC. The most recent big win was against ND, splitting the series. Yes, beating Alabama was a nice bowl win. But bowl losses have become what Bob Stoops' is known for with Clemson beating the Sooners soundly twice, and that terrible defeat against A&M still stings.

When OU defeats Ohio State tomorrow, it will be Stoops' biggest win this decade in my opinion. The victory will be the catalyst for securing a solid recruiting class for 2017, 2018, and possibly 2019. To lose, imo, would be the beginning of the end for Stoops'. With a loss, I'm confident he would not be on the sideline for OU in 2018.

 

[Oklabama]

Wooo. That's cold, man.

 

[Plainosooner]

It's because in your retrospective view, the only big games are the ones we lose.

 

[humblesooner]

I would definitely take action on your confidence of Bob not returning next year with a loss tomorrow.
Wonder just how "confident" you are???

 

[Plainosooner]

I would definitely take action on your confidence of Bob not returning next year with a loss tomorrow.
Wonder just how "confident" you are???

If the members of this site suddenly get hiring and firing authority, then I have little confidence. But so long as it's Joe C and Boren, then I'm very confident that if Bob wants to be OUr HC, he will be.

 

[BawlzDeep]

I would definitely take action on your confidence of Bob not returning next year with a loss tomorrow.
Wonder just how "confident" you are???

2018, not next year.

 

[BawlzDeep]

It's because in your retrospective view, the only big games are the ones we lose.

I don't think of games in conference as being big because they will be played again the following year. Out of conference against a tough opponent, Imo, is where you make your name as a football team.

If OU left the Big 12 and joined the Sunbelt conference and won every conference game for 10 years, would it be considered impressive? Would those wins be big?

If OU goes out and plays USC, ND, Michigan, Alabama, and LSU and beats them, how would those victories be viewed?

No one is thumping their chest because OU beat TCU and Baylor last season even though they were both ranked. If anything, the media tried to dismiss the wins because of injuries to their QBs. Which OU had no control over.

Again, it's just my opinion. OU absolutely needs this victory to keep momentum in recruiting and keep winning especially with ut finally showing a pulse.

 

[R1950]

Over the last 5 seasons when you disregard conference games and just look at the OOC, OU hasn't had a big win in over three years. Granted, OU swept the Vols, but they're a middle, if not lower tier, team of the SEC. The most recent big win was against ND, splitting the series. Yes, beating Alabama was a nice bowl win. But bowl losses have become what Bob Stoops' is known for with Clemson beating the Sooners soundly twice, and that terrible defeat against A&M still stings.

When OU defeats Ohio State tomorrow, it will be Stoops' biggest win this decade in my opinion. The victory will be the catalyst for securing a solid recruiting class for 2017, 2018, and possibly 2019. To lose, imo, would be the beginning of the end for Stoops'. With a loss, I'm confident he would not be on the sideline for OU in 2018.

Seriously ? As an outsider, I'm really surprised at the lack of respect shown to your coach by some (not all) of your fans. I guess my question is do you honestly think you can do better than Stoops who in my opinion is a top 5 (or close) coach. I guess it goes back to the old "grass in greener on the other side" saying which many times comes back to a big-time ass-biting.

 

[BawlzDeep]

Seriously ? As an outsider, I'm really surprised at the lack of respect shown to your coach by some (not all) of your fans. I guess my question is do you honestly think you can do better than Stoops who in my opinion is a top 5 (or close) coach. I guess it goes back to the old "grass in greener on the other side" saying which many times comes back to a big-time ass-biting.

I think sometimes people have a hard time understanding that loyalty and coaching don't mix with business. We, as fans, love the University of Oklahoma. Bob Stoops has been nothing less than class and is a great ambassador for the university. I would hope he would stay another 18 years because he's won doing it the right way. But, at some point you have to ask the question, is he winning enough of the games that ultimately matter? And the games that matter most are National Championships. He's played for 4 and won 1. The fact he's played for four titles says all that needs to be said about his ability to coach. There are teams who not only haven't won, but have never even played for one title in the lifetime of their university. OU has been blessed to have him as OUr coach. But let's get back to business.

What are teams playing these games for each week? Obviously to win, but they all want to win the national title. Can Bob Stoops put OU in a position to win a another championship? Can Bob Stoops win another title while coaching OU? I know he can coach his teams up to win 9 games a season because he's done it for 95% of the time he's been on campus.

The big question remains, is he the coach who can win another title? So far, for the last 15 years the answer is almost. It's the almost that is most frustrating as a fan. He has made changes in staff that have shown some immediate impact on the recruiting trail and got OU into the CFP. Do I think Bob wants to win another title(s)? Absolutely without a doubt, but to think he can't be replaced at some point because he doesn't is not out of the realm of possibility.

 

[Oklabama]

Seriously ? As an outsider, I'm really surprised at the lack of respect shown to your coach by some (not all) of your fans. I guess my question is do you honestly think you can do better than Stoops who in my opinion is a top 5 (or close) coach. I guess it goes back to the old "grass in greener on the other side" saying which many times comes back to a big-time ass-biting.

Actually, if you follow this board closely, you won't find but a few who have called for any change regarding Bob Stoops position as OU head coach other than better results, especially after a loss when OU is a double digit favorite. The vast majority of posters agree we have the best OU can get as head coach. That's not what the all the complaints are about, but we have a small number of fans that want zero complaints or negative discussion about Bob. Well that ain't going to happen regardless who the coach is after a poor showing on the field by "his" players. It bothers some much more than it bothers Bob most likely, which is kinda humorous when you think about.

 

[humblesooner]

Seriously ? As an outsider, I'm really surprised at the lack of respect shown to your coach by some (not all) of your fans. I guess my question is do you honestly think you can do better than Stoops who in my opinion is a top 5 (or close) coach. I guess it goes back to the old "grass in greener on the other side" saying which many times comes back to a big-time ass-biting.

You buckeyes need to be cautious. Some of these guys think we can get rid of Stoops and people like Urban Meyer will be knocking on our door the next day.

Bawlzdeep - I did misread your post. BUT, I will take the same action on 2018. You said you were "confident" that if Ohio State wins tomorrow, that Stoops won't be on the sidelines in 2018. Very bold statement that I just can't see happening, unless Bob decided he had enough. I'd take the risk, but IMO, leaving on his own is the only risk I would have.

 

[humblesooner]

If the members of this site suddenly get hiring and firing authority, then I have little confidence. But so long as it's Joe C and Boren, then I'm very confident that if Bob wants to be OUr HC, he will be.

Haven't been to church in a while, but I do remember how to encourage the preacher.

AMEN and AMEN!

 

[CTOkie]

Actually, if you follow this board closely, you won't find but a few who have called for any change regarding Bob Stoops position as OU head coach other than better results, especially after a loss when OU is a double digit favorite. The vast majority of posters agree we have the best OU can get as head coach. That's not what the all the complaints are about, but we have a small number of fans that want zero complaints or negative discussion about Bob. Well that ain't going to happen regardless who the coach is after a poor showing on the field by "his" players. It bothers some much more than it bothers Bob most likely, which is kinda humorous when you think about.

I can't recall anyone outwardly wanting Stoops out, at least for many years.
The general attitude is that Stoops is as good as it can get for OU....winning at an 80% rate....and he should stay at OU as long as possible, even with what seems to be too many upset defeats and lopsided bowl losses.
I believe OU achieve an even higher level by moving to the SEC, Big 10 or Pac12....with Stoops.

 

[BawlzDeep]

You buckeyes need to be cautious. Some of these guys think we can get rid of Stoops and people like Urban Meyer will be knocking on our door the next day.

Bawlzdeep - I did misread your post. BUT, I will take the same action on 2018. You said you were "confident" that if Ohio State wins tomorrow, that Stoops won't be on the sidelines in 2018. Very bold statement that I just can't see happening, unless Bob decided he had enough. I'd take the risk, but IMO, leaving on his own is the only risk I would have.

Here is my crazy reasoning. Bob has previously mentioned he wanted to coach maybe ten more years. He didn't say for OU, just coach. So, if OU lost tomorrow (they won't), it's not that the heat will be turned up, but the vocal minority will have a few pitchfork and torch vigils. Remember, OU has a bye next week, so If OU lost, for two weeks ESPIN would go full tilt OU bashing and it will have some impact to a few. If OU was to then lose a third game to TCU or ut, fans would begin to lose their ssssss. So, fast forward to signing day, OU finishes top 8 or better, Baker returns, and OU wins 10 games in 2017. OU has a good nucleus of talent for 2018. So, Bob is seen in Dallas with Jerry Jones. Jason G is let go, Dak, Zeke, and Bryant are the new big 3 and Bob is the new HC.

 

[Plainosooner]

I don't think of games in conference as being big because they will be played again the following year. Out of conference against a tough opponent, Imo, is where you make your name as a football team.

If OU left the Big 12 and joined the Sunbelt conference and won every conference game for 10 years, would it be considered impressive? Would those wins be big?

If OU goes out and plays USC, ND, Michigan, Alabama, and LSU and beats them, how would those victories be viewed?

No one is thumping their chest because OU beat TCU and Baylor last season even though they were both ranked. If anything, the media tried to dismiss the wins because of injuries to their QBs. Which OU had no control over.

Again, it's just my opinion. OU absolutely needs this victory to keep momentum in recruiting and keep winning especially with ut finally showing a pulse.

So by your definition the wins over Nebraska or KState in 2000, or the GOTC, weren't big games. And no wins over Texas in the last 20 years were big wins?

Interesting. Do you shave yet?

 

[BawlzDeep]

I can't recall anyone outwardly wanting Stoops out, at least for many years.
The general attitude is that Stoops is as good as good as it can get for OU....winning at an 80% rate....and should stay at OU as long as possible, even with what seems to be too many upset defeats and lopsided bowl losses.
I believe OU achieve an even higher level by moving to the SEC, Big 10 or Pac12....with Stoops.

I agree Stoops is a terrific coach, but if coach up and left tomorrow do you think OU really couldn't go on? I'm not being dismissive of his accomplishments, but OU has always been good at eventually finding the next great one.

 

[BawlzDeep]

So by your definition the wins over Nebraska or KState in 2000, or the GOTC, weren't big games. And no wins over Texas in the last 20 years were big wins?

Interesting. Do you shave yet?

I'll say it again, because somehow you missed it. I said in the last 5 years. And a win over Texas is always a good thing, but as last year as proof, it's not the end all of a season.

 

[Plainosooner]

So our big wins in the last five years aren't big wins because you say so? The team's first priority every year is to win the conference. Same for every quality program.

But you're saying that those aren't important. Mostly, you seem to want to discount what is important , just because.

 

[BawlzDeep]

So our big wins in the last five years aren't big wins because you say so? The team's first priority every year is to win the conference. Same for every quality program.

But you're saying that those aren't important. Mostly, you seem to want to discount what is important , just because.

Tell me, is tomorrow's game more or less as important than the game against Kansas?

 

[Oklabama]

Plaino, that's not what he is saying. If OU played Alabama, Ohio State and Florida State as OOC games this year, would you want the Sooners to win the B12 or beat those guys. Choose, you have to pick between those. I would opt for the first three since they are all top five. Beating OSU tomorrow would be HUGE.

 

[BillyRay]

I don't prescribe to the idea that a loss tomorrow is the beginning of the end for Bob Stoops. I guess it can depend on how the game goes. Even in a loss, if OU hangs with them and makes a game out of it, then you can't say that Bob's job is in ANY type of jeopardy. Now if OU gets pushed around and completely embarrassed, I think some would have more of a foundation to stand on in regards to maybe it's time for Bob to hang it up. But even then I wouldn't consider Bob being on the hot seat. It would just be another reminder of just how much ground there is for OU to make up from where they are now, and being back at the very top elite in the country.

As far as it being the biggest win this decade, I would say it's right up there with beating #5 FSU in 2011 down in Tallahassee. That game was HUGE!!!!! And I know the OP is wanting to disregard conference games, but in the last decade how can there be ANY game bigger than TTech coming to Norman in 2008?? That was within the last decade as well. And that game was against a TTech team that was #2 in the country, and the winner had the inside track on going to play for a National Title!!! Can't get any more HUGE than that!!

 

[OUSOONER67]

It would only be a big game if the Sooners win and go on to make a run at a playoff spot. A loss or 2 after a win over Ohio St and its no longer a big game looking back. Just my opinion. Win or lose and Bob will still be here until he retires and for now I am just fine with that.

 

[Plainosooner]

Tell me, is tomorrow's game more or less as important than the game against Kansas?

I'm not calling Kansas a big game.

 

[CTOkie]

I agree Stoops is a terrific coach, but if coach up and left tomorrow do you think OU really couldn't go on? I'm not being dismissive of his accomplishments, but OU has always been good at eventually finding the next great one.

Not always....there was Gomer Jones after Wilkinson in 1965 and Gibbs, Schnellenberger and Blake after Switzer during the decade of the 1990's. Reloading elite coaches does not happen overnight sometimes.
Fairbanks to Switzer was the lone exception.

 

[humblesooner]

I guess the part of this string I am focused on is Bawlz saying his is "confident" that Stoops is gone after next year with a loss to Ohio State tomorrow.
He didn't qualify that with additional "ifs". He said he in confident Bob won't be on the sidelines in 2018 if OU loses tomorrow.
I fail to see where a loss tomorrow would be his undoing a year and a half from now.
he did crawfish a little on the word "confident" by explaining his "crazy reasoning". Also, in that post, he goes on to include a third loss to either TCU or Texas and then talked about Jerry Jones, etc.
While it could lead to the beginning of Bob's demise, IF a number of other bad things happen with the program, tomorrow's loss alone doesn't dictate Bob's status in 2018.

 

[CTOkie]

However big tomorrow's game is or how well OU performs in it, it is worth noting that behind a handful of some really good players, the 2016 Sooners team is in a state of transition having to rebuild the linebacking and receiving corps plus the offensive line. This is a team a bit like the 1980 team....a team that took some early lumps (Stanford and Texas) and finished with a respectable record and a top ten ranking, and beating an excellent Nebraska team in Lincoln.
And through it all, OU never shies away from scheduling elite non-conference opponents unlike other Big 12 teams like Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas State and OK-State. In fact, OU and Texas are the only two teams that annually play a very competitive OOC schedule.

 

[BawlzDeep]

However big tomorrow's game is or how well OU performs in it, it is worth noting that behind a handful of some really good players, the 2016 Sooners team is in a state of transition having to rebuild the linebacking and receiving corps plus the offensive line. This is a team a bit like the 1980 team....a team that took some early lumps (Stanford and Texas) and finished with a respectable record and a top ten ranking, and beating an excellent Nebraska team in Lincoln.
And through it all, OU never shies away from scheduling elite non-conference opponents unlike other Big 12 teams like Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas State and OK-State. In fact, OU and Texas are the only two teams that annually play a very competitive OOC schedule.

So, in your opinion, is tomorrow considered a big game? It is to me because Ohio State is one of three top tier teams in their conference. I agree as well, OU doesn't schedule cupcakes for the fun. They build a solid OOC schedule.

I'm not here to ruffle feathers, I'm hoping someone will tell me what big games or elite teams has OU defeated that stand out to them in the last five years? I enjoyed OU beating down Baylor in Waco last year. Loved watching GP look so sad as he walked away with a L in Norman as well. Great games.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Y'all have gotten way too emotionally invested in this game for me.
Suffice to say, hope we win, if we don't that's the breaks.

Boomer!

 

[Oklabama]

So, in your opinion, is tomorrow considered a big game? It is to me because Ohio State is one of three top tier teams in their conference. I agree as well, OU doesn't schedule cupcakes for the fun. They build a solid OOC schedule.

I'm not here to ruffle feathers, I'm hoping someone will tell me what big games or elite teams has OU defeated that stand out to them in the last five years? I enjoyed OU beating down Baylor in Waco last year. Loved watching GP look so sad as he walked away with a L in Norman as well. Great games.

Within the last five years, OU has beaten top 5 Florida State (away); Notre Dame at home (which gives Bob ten more years if he wants it in my books); Alabama in the Sugar; and even though Tennessee wasn't a top 10 team, the win in Knoxville last season was a BIG game/win for Oklahoma. There's a few to consider. OU also has lost some big games during that time, and we all know which ones. For me, losing the way we lost the bowl games to Clemson and A&M were especially painful. In conference losses hurt as well, but the Sooners won their share of the big conference matches.

 

[CTOkie]

So, in your opinion, is tomorrow considered a big game? It is to me because Ohio State is one of three top tier teams in their conference. I agree as well, OU doesn't schedule cupcakes for the fun. They build a solid OOC schedule.

I'm not here to ruffle feathers, I'm hoping someone will tell me what big games or elite teams has OU defeated that stand out to them in the last five years? I enjoyed OU beating down Baylor in Waco last year. Loved watching GP look so sad as he walked away with a L in Norman as well. Great games.

Of course it's a big game vs Ohio State. Are you kidding me ???
The best "big" game wins recently are Alabama (11-2 in 2013)....Notre Dame (9-4 in 2013).....Tennessee (9-4 in 2015)......Florida State (10-4 in 2010 and 9-4 in 2011)......Nebraska in 2010 for the Big 12 championship to close out Nebraska's membership in the Big 12.
OU beat a good Texas Tech team in 2008, 65-21, but Tech then barely beat a bad (4-8) Baylor team a week later and was trounced by Ole Miss in the Cotton Bowl.

 

[Patriotgame]

IMO, I think OU has won a number of big games the last few years. We will win our share and lose our share. Everyone does.

My bigger concern has been seasons where we have huge expectations and fall flat.

 

[Oklabama]

IMO, I think OU has won a number of big games the last few years. We will win our share and lose our share. Everyone does.

My bigger concern has been seasons where we have huge expectations and fall flat.

There are those that would say "having huge expectations" is the problem rather than "falling flat". That's kinda weird.

 

[Plainosooner]

However big tomorrow's game is or how well OU performs in it, it is worth noting that behind a handful of some really good players, the 2016 Sooners team is in a state of transition having to rebuild the linebacking and receiving corps plus the offensive line. This is a team a bit like the 1980 team....a team that took some early lumps (Stanford and Texas) and finished with a respectable record and a top ten ranking, and beating an excellent Nebraska team in Lincoln.
And through it all, OU never shies away from scheduling elite non-conference opponents unlike other Big 12 teams like Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas State and OK-State. In fact, OU and Texas are the only two teams that annually play a very competitive OOC schedule.

Hey, OSU must have had a competitive schedule this year. They lost last week.

 

[Soonerborn59]

IMO, I think OU has won a number of big games the last few years. We will win our share and lose our share. Everyone does.

My bigger concern has been seasons where we have huge expectations and fall flat.

This right here is what has been a big dissappointment recently. It seems over the past few years this team just does not live up to the pre-season expetations and that can drive any real fan crazy. Now thats not to say this years edition will not live up to it but a loss to TOSU on Saturday could have devastating effects on the season. I am not a huge ESPN fan but today Kirk put things in perspective. A loss to the Buckeyes could very well be the undoing on OU for the rest of the season and as he said its very possible that Bob could lose his team and they finish 7-5 or 8-4. I don't think what he said is unrealistic by any means because unlike some I try to look at this team in an objective manner and not in the "homer" mode.

This game Saturday just might be the biggest game for OU in terms of how it affects the rest of the season than any game in the past few years. For all those that seem to take offense to BD post I would say your just not understanding what he is saying. To me he is just being a very open minded and objective fan who knows just how important this game is come Saturday and knows that a loss here can have that devastating effect on the rest of the season and quite possibly on recruiting.

Here is hoping to OU comes out inspired, tackles well in spaces, and shows that "attitude" on the field from the opening kickoff till the final gun. If they can do that then OU has a great chance to win and put OU right back in the talk for a spot in the NC game.

 

[CTOkie]

Hey, OSU must have had a competitive schedule this year. They lost last week.

No....they just suck.

 

[bcsoonerfan]

Not counting conference games as big games is the dumbest shit I'll read all month.

You think Nick Saban doesn't consider LSU a big game? How bout Ohio State when they play Michigan or Michigan State?

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Not counting conference games as big games is the dumbest shit I'll read all month.

You think Nick Saban doesn't consider LSU a big game? How bout Ohio State when they play Michigan or Michigan State?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[K2C Sooner]

I'll take up for Deep. At least he posted something that got a lot of responses. Not is best work, but he posted...........

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Well...

5 wins vs top 25 in 2015. Two in the top 10, another at 11. Lost to #1 team. Finished 5th.

4 losses vs top 25 in 2014. No wins against top 25.

4 wins vs top 25 in 2013. Three in the top 10. Notre Dame (22) in South Bend. Lost to #5. Finished 6th.

9-6 vs top 25 in the last three seasons, excluding 2016.

I'm sure some will call this bashing, others defending... Just the facts...

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Well...

5 wins vs top 25 in 2015. Two in the top 10, another at 11. Lost to #1 team. Finished 5th.

4 losses vs top 25 in 2014. No wins against top 25.

4 wins vs top 25 in 2013. Three in the top 10. Notre Dame (22) in South Bend. Lost to #5. Finished 6th.

9-6 vs top 25 in the last three seasons, excluding 2016.

I'm sure some will call this bashing, others defending... Just the facts...

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