OT...the Pope is a funny fellow

[WhyNotaSooner]

Who, specifically, are you referring to? All liberals, non-secular liberals or certain posters on this message board?

Catholisism is Christianity. So while some on this board complain of a liberal Pope, I'm just glad the media is giving favor to Chrisitans & Chrisitanity. As soon as he leaves, all we'll hear is Islam again. So whether the Pope spews forth Socialism, Liberalism or Conservatism, they're all good in my world.

Go Pope Go!

 

[Yankees03]

Can someone remind me as to why gsxrace is on a sports message board? Never talks sports, absolutely OBSESSED with God and religion and most of his comments consist of name calling and his support of illegal drugs. Again, why is he here?

 

[barkingwater2000]

Catholisism is Christianity. So while some on this board complain of a liberal Pope, I'm just glad the media is giving favor to Chrisitans & Chrisitanity. As soon as he leaves, all we'll hear is Islam again. So whether the Pope spews forth Socialism, Liberalism or Conservatism, they're all good in my world.

Go Pope Go!

Are Catholics Christians? I was always under the impression that they were not

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

Are Catholics Christians? I was always under the impression that they were not

In my view, anyone that has a faith and practices that faith based on the Holy Bible is practicing Christianity. So while Catholic or Prodestant, in my eyes, I see Christian.

 

[CTOkie]

That was the prescription to deal with one man. And you left out part of the quote. The most important part. Their prior discussion was about how to get to heaven. And you have to be perfect to get there. But you cannot be. It's not possible. The only way to get there, is through faith in the One who IS perfect.

Jesus told the young rich man, you'd have to keep all the commandments. And the you man said I have kept them all. Jesus knew that wasn't true. So Jesus starts listing them. And the young man said, "all of them I have kept. What do I still lack?" Then comes the full quote:

Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go sell your possessions and give to the poor, Then come, follow me.”

This man's heart was that his possessions were more important to him. And he hadn't been listening to the teachings of Christ. Which were, believe in who I AM. What does he say at the end. It's harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven, than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. And the disciples asked, "who then can be saved?"

Then comes the crux. The set up in the quote is that you cannot earn your way to heaven. As Christ tells them. "With man, this is impossible. But with God, (Him) all things are possible."

If you think that the only way for a rich man to enter heaven is to sell all he has, then you missed the point.

The same thing about Jesus being a socialist. We are to be generous. And we are to give priority to the poor. And we are to pay even unfair taxes. But doing all or few of these things is not how anyone gets to heaven. And he says that, repeatedly.

When one of the rich pharisees comes to him at night (apparently to avoid being seen by his fellow pharisees), Jesus doesn't tell him to sell all he had to follow Him. He tells him that he must be born again. And explains how. And then why too many won't. The core of the gospel: John 3:16.

"The only way to get there (to heaven) is through faith in the One who is perfect"....I believe it is not necessary to know what happens after death in order to live sanely, ethically and happily as possible.

 

[Section22Sooner]

you asked me to show you,i did,and i can show you 50 more just like that.

GSX, that is Old Covenent Levitical laws given to the Jews, not Christians. Christians weren't even around yet. The condition of those laws was fulfilled in Jesus Christ. He gave us the New Covenent to live by. Even the Ten Commandments were fulfilled in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. Yet the only way to truly be acquitted of violating those commandments is through that same Jesus. That's why He is called our Savior.

Try to find some chop-chop, heads rolling, blood squirting, blood-n-guts scripture directed toward Christians. Hint: New Testament.

 

[Schoonerman]

Are Catholics Christians? I was always under the impression that they were not

Seriously? Yes, Catholics are Christians and worship Jesus Christ, the same God that is worshipped by all of the Christian religions - Methodists, Baptists, Unitarians, Lutherans, etc., etc., etc.

 

[JConXtsy]

But Catholics don't like to be called Christians and don't believe of themselves as Christians.... but they are.

 

[Section22Sooner]

Seriously? Yes, Catholics are Christians and worship Jesus Christ, the same God that is worshipped by all of the Christian religions - Methodists, Baptists, Unitarians, Lutherans, etc., etc., etc.

Unitarians don't consider themselves Christians, nor do I.

 

[barkingwater2000]

Seriously? Yes, Catholics are Christians and worship Jesus Christ, the same God that is worshipped by all of the Christian religions - Methodists, Baptists, Unitarians, Lutherans, etc., etc., etc.

We may worship the same God but there are some major differences between Catholics and Christians.

 

[gsxrace01]

GSX, that is Old Covenent Levitical laws given to the Jews, not Christians. Christians weren't even around yet. The condition of those laws was fulfilled in Jesus Christ. He gave us the New Covenent to live by. Even the Ten Commandments were fulfilled in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. Yet the only way to truly be acquitted of violating those commandments is through that same Jesus. That's why He is called our Savior.

Try to find some chop-chop, blood shedding, blood-n-guts, bone crushing scripture directed toward Christians. Hint: New Testament.

according to your bible jesus taught from the old testament,quoted from it over 300 times,and then said this. "Do not think that I Jesus have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)" It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled.

 

[Section22Sooner]

according to your bible jesus taught from the old testament,quoted from it over 300 times,and then said this. "Do not think that I Jesus have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)" It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled.

And just as he said, He fulfilled it. 100%. "It is finished". Everything accomplished. Keep 'em coming. I'm ready.

 

[gsxrace01]

what was fulfilled? , if jesus thought the old testament was not to be followed why did he teach from it?

 

[CTOkie]

We may worship the same God but there are some major differences between Catholics and Christians.

Good to see religion having such a unifying influence.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Good to see religion having such a unifying influence.

Really?
It does have unifying effect, just not here.

What is your end game gsx?
Do you really think you're going to swing someone here to your side of this issue?

We've been tolerating your shtick about this for over a decade.
You're in the buckle of the Bible belt, in light of that immutable fact I'm praying to Almighty God himself that you will cease and desist.
If not for this board, for your own elusive peace of mind.

 

[gsxrace01]

Really?
It does have unifying effect, just not here.

What is your end game gsx?
Do you really think you're going to swing someone here to your side of this issue?

We've been tolerating your shtick about this for over a decade.
You're in the buckle of the Bible belt, in light of that immutable fact I'm praying to Almighty God himself that you will cease and desist.
If not for this board, for your own elusive peace of mind.

i could care less what you think shakespeare,

 

[Medic007]

i could care less what you think shakespeare,

For a non religious guy you sure talk about it a bunch. Like an obsession.

 

[Section22Sooner]

what was fulfilled? , if jesus thought the old testament was not to be followed why did he teach from it?

The first covenant was fulfilled. Those hundreds of dreadful and sometimes crazy laws that would be impossible for a person to follow completely. The temple sacrifices... All that stuff, was fulfilled.

He didn't have a New Testament to teach from, and his audience was the Jews. That old covenant pointed to the new covenant to come, as evident in the later books of the Bible. Here are only two of many that come to mind.

HEBREWS 9:1 5
 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred which redeems them from the transgressions under the first covenant.

ROMANS 10:4
 For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.

GSX, you obviously don't believe in this stuff and it seems to be your calling in life to debate it and mock Christians, but I've got to commend you on your interest in the subject and your seeming knowledge.

 

[gsxrace01]

The first covenant was fulfilled. Those hundreds of dreadful and sometimes crazy laws that would be impossible for a person to follow completely. The temple sacrifices... All that stuff, was fulfilled.

He didn't have a New Testament to teach from, and his audience was the Jews. That old covenant pointed to the new covenant to come, as evident in the later books of the Bible. Here are only two of many that come to mind.

HEBREWS 9:1 5
 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred which redeems them from the transgressions under the first covenant.

ROMANS 10:4
 For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.

GSX, you obviously don't believe in this stuff and it seems to be your calling in life to debate it and mock Christians, but I've got to commend you on your interest in the subject and your seeming knowledge. first off,the old testament is Christianiity,what are you gonna do,just pick out the parts you don't like?why are Christians fighting so hard to keep the ten commandments at the capital,<old testament> do you really believe GOD would command people to murder children,kill your own daughter for not being a virgin,kill followers of other religions. what happened,did GOD change his mind?

 

[gsxrace01]

The first covenant was fulfilled. Those hundreds of dreadful and sometimes crazy laws that would be impossible for a person to follow completely. The temple sacrifices... All that stuff, was fulfilled.

He didn't have a New Testament to teach from, and his audience was the Jews. That old covenant pointed to the new covenant to come, as evident in the later books of the Bible. Here are only two of many that come to mind.

HEBREWS 9:1 5
 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred which redeems them from the transgressions under the first covenant.

ROMANS 10:4
 For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.

GSX, you obviously don't believe in this stuff and it seems to be your calling in life to debate it and mock Christians, but I've got to commend you on your interest in the subject and your seeming knowledge.

first off,the old testament is Christianiity,what are you gonna do,just pick out the parts you don't like?why are Christians fighting so hard to keep the ten commandments at the capital,<old testament> do you really believe GOD would command people to murder children,kill your own daughter for not being a virgin,kill followers of other religions. what happened,did GOD change his mind?

 

[gsxrace01]

gotta run 22.be glad to talk to you more later.

 

[barkingwater2000]

Good to see religion having such a unifying influence.

Oh I forgot.

The first covenant was fulfilled. Those hundreds of dreadful and sometimes crazy laws that would be impossible for a person to follow completely. The temple sacrifices... All that stuff, was fulfilled.

He didn't have a New Testament to teach from, and his audience was the Jews. That old covenant pointed to the new covenant to come, as evident in the later books of the Bible. Here are only two of many that come to mind.

HEBREWS 9:1 5
 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred which redeems them from the transgressions under the first covenant.

ROMANS 10:4
 For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.

GSX, you obviously don't believe in this stuff and it seems to be your calling in life to debate it and mock Christians, but I've got to commend you on your interest in the subject and your seeming knowledge.

22 these atheists types all visit the same websites and mimic one another. Practically every one of them claims to be very knowledgeable about the bible but they really aren't. They live to argue and think being an atheist somehow makes them intelligent. Dig deeper and they are very unimpressive.

 

[jobea01]

Oh I forgot.

22 these atheists types all visit the same websites and mimic one another. Practically every one of them claims to be very knowledgeable about the bible but they really aren't. They live to argue and think being an atheist somehow makes them intelligent. Dig deeper and they are very unimpressive.

I rarely talk about these things but that is the absolute truth about athiests trying to act like they have the "true" understanding knowledge and that all others are just rubes acting like they have a clue. gsx is and always will be a first rate case of this. I still remember someone in a prayer request thread and he invaded with his bs. Then he threw a fit when I erased his post and started more. But hey, athiests are tolerant and Christians aren't according to him! Irony doesn't exist to most of them.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

I rarely talk about these things but that is the absolute truth about athiests trying to act like they have the "true" understanding knowledge and that all others are just rubes acting like they have a clue. gsx is and always will be a first rate case of this. I still remember someone in a prayer request thread and he invaded with his bs. Then he threw a fit when I erased his post and started more. But hey, athiests are tolerant and Christians aren't according to him! Irony doesn't exist to most of them.

 

[sooner_mike1]

I'm a Southern Baptist, and I'm not going to get into the Catholic vs. Protestant debate. Only thing I can comment on after doing the research on Catholicism, and listening to Pope Francis is this...Francis is a good dude...a really good dude. He lives a humble life, unlike the Popes before him. He's not materialistic in the least, and he truly tries to live as Christ would have lived. I believe you will see Christian's of all faiths in Heaven. As long as you believe that Christ is the Son of God, he died for your sins, and was resurrected on the third day, and you've asked him into your heart, you'll be in Heaven. I don't care if you are Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian, etc...

Francis is the best thing to happen to the Catholic church in my lifetime, and I'm 45 yrs. old. He's a good man, who has a heart for God. I hope he's able to serve for years to come.

 

[iasooner1]

** This was a response to barkingwater's response to Schoonerman above

And its been that way since Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses on the door of the church in Wittenberg, Cap'n O...

Boomer Sooner, Boomer Jesus !!!

 

[iasooner1]

These were my eyes when I first saw that uh donut fitty... I'd happily munch on one or two of those !

 

[Section22Sooner]

Francis is the best thing to happen to the Catholic church in my lifetime, and I'm 45 yrs. old. He's a good man, who has a heart for God. I hope he's able to serve for years to come.

He believes that Christians aren't Christians if they make or sell guns.
He is against free-market capitalism. He calls it "the dung of the devil".
He is against consumerism.
He is against conservativism.
He is against us using air conditioning because it makes us evil. (He is a big-time global warmist).
He embraces Islam and is all for the spreading of Islam world wide.
He is pro-Palestinian. Yes. Those suicide bombers are legitimate now.
He meddles too much in government and politics, not the church.

If any one of the GOP presidential candidates touted these things (except for the last one) he'd be skewered on a rotisserie. However, I can understand why the libs love him to pieces.

 

[CTOkie]

He believes that Christians aren't Christians if they make or sell guns.
He is against free-market capitalism. He calls it "the dung of the devil".
He is against consumerism.
He is against conservativism.
He is against us using air conditioning because it makes us evil. (He is a big-time global warmist).
He embraces Islam and is all for the spreading of Islam world wide.
He is pro-Palestinian. Yes. Those suicide bombers are legitimate now.
He meddles too much in government and politics, not the church.

If any one of the GOP presidential candidates touted these things (except for the last one) he'd be skewered on a rotisserie. However, I can understand why the libs love him to pieces.

What is his stance on the church's problem with pedophile priests ? What is his defense of the Church for not denouncing the Nazi's persecution of Jews 75 years ago ?....or did the Church's theology put more emphasis on saving souls than saving lives ?

 

[Schoonerman]

We may worship the same God but there are some major differences between Catholics and Christians.

Okay, you're the guy who didn't know Catholics are Christians, but now you want to tell me about the "major differences" between the two? Yes, I'm aware there are "differences" in how Catholics and other Christian denominations worship and observe holy days, but based on your limited knowledge on Catholics, I suggest you leave this one alone because you have no idea what you are talking about.

As usual, when religion and politics are brought up, it turns into a pissing match, so I'm out. Carry on without me.

 

[gsxrace01]

I rarely talk about these things but that is the absolute truth about athiests trying to act like they have the "true" understanding knowledge and that all others are just rubes acting like they have a clue. gsx is and always will be a first rate case of this. I still remember someone in a prayer request thread and he invaded with his bs. Then he threw a fit when I erased his post and started more. But hey, athiests are tolerant and Christians aren't according to him! Irony doesn't exist to most of them.

butt hurt because people make you look stupid when talking about religion?,the fact is,atheist know alot more about religion then so called Christians like you,. man has been on this earth for 200,000 years,maybe longer,there were billions of people spread all over the earth before Jesus,they had there own gods there own religion,.your religion is man made and pathetic,has nothing to do with GOD,deal with it.

 

[Yankees03]

Gsx is a dope head who contributes nothing to this board and never talks sports. Why does he come here? Just so posters can make him appear uneducated and ignorant? I just don't get it, he never comes out of this good and usually resorts to name calling.

 

[gsxrace01]

Gsx is a dope head who contributes nothing to this board and never talks sports. Why does he come here? Just so posters can make him appear uneducated and ignorant? I just don't get it, he never comes out of this good and usually resorts to name calling.

not 1 time have i ever started a thread on religion,not one time have i ever brought up religion as it was already being discussed,plaino can't go 1 week without bringing up his religion and i usually reply to his post,at least he does know something about it,where guy's like you are totally lost..,ive gotta get to work,go choke yourself.

 

[Yankees03]

You have never brought up religion? Are u sure? Tell ya what. If I prove otherwise you either stop posting or talk sports from now on. Sound like a deal?

 

[gsxrace01]

You have never brought up religion? Are u sure? Tell ya what. If I prove otherwise you either stop posting or talk sports from now on. Sound like a deal?

go ahead and waste your time looking you have nothing else to do.

 

[Yankees03]

You are the typical athiest. Angry, obsessed with something you "say" you don't believe in and you are always on the attack mode

 

[Yankees03]

Gsx is it a deal or not?

 

[Medic007]

man has been on this earth for 200,000 years,maybe longer,there were billions of people spread all over the earth before Jesus

Billions huh? Being dramatic isn't being smart. Let me help you a bit.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Billions huh? Being dramatic isn't being smart. Let me help you a bit.

Right on...

What's next...the earth is flat?

 

[Yankees03]

Gsx deal or not? Don't run from me