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OT: Sad, but Not Surprising...Nebraska's Lawrence Phillips Dies in Prison...

As someone familiar with the foster care system like what Lawrence Phillips had to endure, it's not easy for these kids. Many of them end up unprepared for adulthood. People will speak of the talent and opportunities he had, but the reality is that he was most likely never prepared for or capable of handling those opportunities.

From the ESPN article on his death: Nebraska recruited Phillips out of a West Covina, California, group home.

By the time kids like him get sent out as adults they are full of anger, don't trust anyone, and have attachment disorders. Makes for a tough adult life.
 
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As someone familiar with the foster care system like what Lawrence Phillips had to endure, it's not easy for these kids. Many of them end up unprepared for adulthood. People will speak of the talent and opportunities he had, but the reality is that he was most likely never prepared for or capable of handling those opportunities.

From the ESPN article on his death: Nebraska recruited Phillips out of a West Covina, California, group home.

By the time kids like him get sent out as adults they are full of anger, don't trust anyone, and have attachment disorders. Makes for a tough adult life.


There are tons of people that have much harder upbringings and don't turn out to be drug addicted felons that habitually beat women and become murderers.
 
How do you know how hard his or anyone else's upbringing was? I certainly don't. I just know you've been dealt a bad hand if you grow up in the system. And growing up in the system isn't easy.

My ex girlfriend grew up in that same kind of system and is now a CFO at a petrochemical company. There are thousands upon thousands of those stories. I don't care how hard someone's upbringing is, there is no excuse that works for becoming a sociopathic woman beating murderer. Even worse are kids growing up in gang ridden areas and get out. I have as much respect for this thug as I do a gang banger.
 
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Yep, I think most, if not all folks have a defining 'crossroads moment', perhaps more than one, where, when it seemingly looks hopeless...how you going to react?
It is then when you discover who you really are, and you either chose wisely, or you chose poorly and fall right into the abyss.

Dying takes no courage, living takes a hell of a lot of courage.
 
My ex girlfriend grew up in that same kind of system and is now a CFO at a petrochemical company. There are thousands upon thousands of those stories. I don't care how hard someone's upbringing is, there is no excuse that works for becoming a sociopathic woman beating murderer. Even worse are kids growing up in gang ridden areas and get out. I have as much respect for this thug as I do a gang banger.

Glad it worked out for her. Having adopted and fostered several drug babies that were neglected and abused, from the system, I can say every kid and set of circumstances is different. Nobody knows how exposure to drugs and alcohol prior to birth, neglect, abuse, home environment etc will shape a child or impact his or her mental health. I don't have all the answers but I know it's not as simple or as black and white as you and many others like to think it is.
 
Proverbs 16:4...

Where Lawrence Phillips fits is not for me to judge. Being accused of murder doesn't mean he did it. Hell, being convicted anymore doesn't either. Some of the most evil people I've met in life have never been charged with a crime, while some of the nicest were doing 20+ years in prison.

Rest in peace Lawrence Phillips.
 
Proverbs 16:4...

Where Lawrence Phillips fits is not for me to judge. Being accused of murder doesn't mean he did it. Hell, being convicted anymore doesn't either. Some of the most evil people I've met in life have never been charged with a crime, while some of the nicest were doing 20+ years in prison.

Rest in peace Lawrence Phillips.
Well said
 
Proverbs 16:4...

Where Lawrence Phillips fits is not for me to judge. Being accused of murder doesn't mean he did it. Hell, being convicted anymore doesn't either. Some of the most evil people I've met in life have never been charged with a crime, while some of the nicest were doing 20+ years in prison.

Rest in peace Lawrence Phillips.


He was a piece of sheet. You should send him a cedar coffin.....:rolleyes:
 
Glad it worked out for her. Having adopted and fostered several drug babies that were neglected and abused, from the system, I can say every kid and set of circumstances is different. Nobody knows how exposure to drugs and alcohol prior to birth, neglect, abuse, home environment etc will shape a child or impact his or her mental health. I don't have all the answers but I know it's not as simple or as black and white as you and many others like to think it is.

There are mental health issues such as schizophrenia and such that I feel for that are as a result of drugs or abuse. This is a guy that made conscious choices to beat the ever living hell out of women, be a thief, murderer etc. I have no sympathy. I'm very much a Christian, but I'm not claiming to be a good one, bc I am judging him by saying he is/was a pos and don't have an ounce of sympathy for him. I do for the people that were affected by his lunacy however.

It is black and white in this case. I don't give a damn what situations someone grows up in. I grew up in a much less than ideal situation. We were beyond poor, among other very bad things. No excuse for beating women and killing people. It's not like he stole loaves of bread, he was caught stealing big screens.
 
There are mental health issues such as schizophrenia and such that I feel for that are as a result of drugs or abuse. This is a guy that made conscious choices to beat the ever living hell out of women, be a thief, murderer etc. I have no sympathy. I'm very much a Christian, but I'm not claiming to be a good one, bc I am judging him by saying he is/was a pos and don't have an ounce of sympathy for him. I do for the people that were affected by his lunacy however.

It is black and white in this case. I don't give a damn what situations someone grows up in. I grew up in a much less than ideal situation. We were beyond poor, among other very bad things. No excuse for beating women and killing people. It's not like he stole loaves of bread, he was caught stealing big screens.
I used to think along your line of thinking before I was educated. Like most people that have never suffered from mental illness, I didn't understand it and would just chalk it up as people making poor conscious choices. Fortunately, being involved in the foster care system and being married to a mental health professional has opened my eyes. I certainly don't condone the things that Lawrence Phillips did, but I know there's more to it than "conscious choices".
 
There are mental health issues such as schizophrenia and such that I feel for that are as a result of drugs or abuse. This is a guy that made conscious choices to beat the ever living hell out of women, be a thief, murderer etc. I have no sympathy. I'm very much a Christian, but I'm not claiming to be a good one, bc I am judging him by saying he is/was a pos and don't have an ounce of sympathy for him. I do for the people that were affected by his lunacy however.

It is black and white in this case. I don't give a damn what situations someone grows up in. I grew up in a much less than ideal situation. We were beyond poor, among other very bad things. No excuse for beating women and killing people. It's not like he stole loaves of bread, he was caught stealing big screens.

So you were affected in what way by his sins? Did he murder your boyfriend? Did he beat your daughter? Was it your big screen he was stealing?

Is there a difference if he had come back from a war and claimed PTSD before having mental issues? What if he couldn't think straight from too many concussions playing football? Or maybe he was born with more crack in him than they found up Oprah's skirt.

Rest in peace Lawrence Phillips.
 
So you were affected in what way by his sins? Did he murder your boyfriend? Did he beat your daughter? Was it your big screen he was stealing?

Is there a difference if he had come back from a war and claimed PTSD before having mental issues? What if he couldn't think straight from too many concussions playing football? Or maybe he was born with more crack in him than they found up Oprah's skirt.

Rest in peace Lawrence Phillips.

Are you seriously comparing a combat vet that has fought for his country to some thug trash that beat women (not singular, plural), stole from friends and now said to have murdered?! Just wow.

Next time you even think you have a rational thought, don't even try to post it.
 
I used to think along your line of thinking before I was educated. Like most people that have never suffered from mental illness, I didn't understand it and would just chalk it up as people making poor conscious choices. Fortunately, being involved in the foster care system and being married to a mental health professional has opened my eyes. I certainly don't condone the things that Lawrence Phillips did, but I know there's more to it than "conscious choices".

No, you don't know Phillips' mental state either. I will just stop you, unless you have a PH.D. in psychology and can show me statistics that the majority of foster kids come out mentally damaged and have no control over the wrong/right complex, please spare me the "education". All you're doing is giving people a copout of making decisions. Are there some extenuating circumstances? Sure. Had there been in his case, in his life I'm fairly certain they would've been identified and damn sure they would've used it to try plea out his defense. The dude was a sociopath, plain and simple.

Is the foster system tough? Sure, it absolutely can be. Can crack babies be tough? Sure. Are they excuses for being destructive sociopath? Hell no.
 
Are you seriously comparing a combat vet that has fought for his country to some thug trash that beat women (not singular, plural), stole from friends and now said to have murdered?! Just wow.

Next time you even think you have a rational thought, don't even try to post it.

I suppose it is completely rational to beat up on a dead guy who obviously had some serious issues?

I will seriously compare similar actions that you warrant one to be a piece of shit while another gets a pass for being trained to kill and then has issues...

They both have choices, yet that doesn't mean either are capable of making the right one. I don't condone any of the actions of either, nor will I piss on either when they're dead.

And don't worry, my hypocrite sinning ass will post whatever the hell I want, whenever I want to. I don't need your irrational approval.

Rest in peace Lawrence Phillips.
 
Are you seriously comparing a combat vet that has fought for his country to some thug trash that beat women (not singular, plural), stole from friends and now said to have murdered?! Just wow.

Next time you even think you have a rational thought, don't even try to post it.
So are you hinting that there should be different sets of rules for people who served in the military, and people who did not and are what you consider "thug trash"??

If a person has mental issues, it shouldn't matter if those issues were initiated during military service or that persons broken upbringing. Crimes committed by both examples are still crimes.
 
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I suppose it is completely rational to beat up on a dead guy who obviously had some serious issues?

I will seriously compare similar actions that you warrant one to be a piece of shit while another gets a pass for being trained to kill and then has issues...

They both have choices, yet that doesn't mean either are capable of making the right one. I don't condone any of the actions of either, nor will I piss on either when they're dead
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Exactly!!!!!
 
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Sociopath (Antisocial Personality Disorder) - a person with a personality disirder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience; a mental health disorder characterized by disregard for other people.

I'm confused. First you said he made coscious choices and had no excuses, now you've diagnosed him as a sociopath, meaning he was mentally ill. Which is it?
 
Sociopath (Antisocial Personality Disorder) - a person with a personality disirder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience; a mental health disorder characterized by disregard for other people.

I'm confused. First you said he made coscious choices and had no excuses, now you've diagnosed him as a sociopath, meaning he was mentally ill. Which is it?

Are you saying conscience and conscious are the same thing? I'm not saying he didn't have a mental disorder. Someone has to be at least a bit mentally wrong to do the crap he did. It doesn't mean that he doesn't know it's wrong and he shouldn't do it. There are killers out there that grew up in perfect households. Just because he was a foster kid doesn't give him an excuse to do that crap. It's just a copout.

And you're damn right I'm saying there's a difference between going to war and having to do incredibly regrettable things for your country and coming back just messed up as hell as opposed to not being coddled enough and not having an ideal upbringing. He was a piece of trash thug, nothing more and nothing less. I'm glad he can't hurt anymore people. He ran over 3 kids at a pick up football game, beat several women (one nearly to death after keeping her hostage for almost a week), God knows how many assaults with deadly weapons charges, multiple counts of grand theft, and then was standing trial for murder and they were just trying to keep them from seeking the death penalty.

You all can make all the excuses for that kind of thuggery that you want to, I won't.
 
And you're damn right I'm saying there's a difference between going to war and having to do incredibly regrettable things for your country and coming back just messed up as hell as opposed to not being coddled enough and not having an ideal upbringing. He was a piece of trash thug, nothing more and nothing less. I'm glad he can't hurt anymore people. He ran over 3 kids at a pick up football game, beat several women (one nearly to death after keeping her hostage for almost a week), God knows how many assaults with deadly weapons charges, multiple counts of grand theft, and then was standing trial for murder and they were just trying to keep them from seeking the death penalty.

You all can make all the excuses for that kind of thuggery that you want to, I won't.
That's rich of you to say that. The unmistakable difference here is a veteran who went to war and came back damaged, did so by his own free will. This country has a fully voluntary military. Nobody is forced. People know they are most likely going to be sent to war when they sign that line. It's a conscious decision they made.

However, people who are born into situations that cause irreparable damage to their ability to think normally or socially adapt to normal lives, do NOT have the luxury of free will in choosing to be born into that situation or not. They are born into it, and spend literally their entire childhood being shaped and molded to their surroundings. They didn't ask for it. They didn't choose it. It was something forced upon them at birth.

So it's very telling you seem to want to be more lenient to the group that CHOSE to go down that path, rather than towards the people whom had absolutely zero choice in the matter.

Some people are able to overcome being sent to war and coming back and living normal lives. Just as some people who "weren't coddled enough" or didn't have an ideal upbringing are able to overcome it and build normal and productive lives. But don't ever think it applies to everyone, or that one group should be held any more, or any less accountable.

I don't see people trying to make excuses for "thuggary" on here. But I do see YOU attempting to make excuses for people who commit crimes while afflicted with PTSD that was a byproduct of serving this country. You seem to be leaning towards saying they have a legitimate excuse, while dismissing other situations in life that can contribute towards the same outcomes??
 
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Good God, you people have gone complete moron on here. Where did I say people with PTSD shouldn't be held accountable? Hint: you won't find it because I didn't say it. You're just trying to create a straw man argument for the dunce that tried to compare a piece of trash, thuggish, sociopath that committed some of the most horrible crimes possible to a veteran.

Someone on here show me one clinical diagnosis saying that Phillips was so seriously mentally ill that it impeded his ability to discern right from wrong.

Wait, i'll share some quotes from Dr. Tom on the matter

“They essentially felt he had some (psychological) scars and some issues but he was not mentally or ill or anything like that,” Osborne said. “He incurred some pretty deep wounds (growing up). When certain circumstances rose, that anger would boil up.”

Most notoriously at Nebraska, that anger was present during an incident in 1985 when Phillips was arrested for assaulting his ex-girlfriend, a basketball player at Nebraska. Osborne, who suspended Phillips from the team after the incident, said he believes Phillips’ anger stemmed from childhood trauma, including being abandoned by his father as an infant and being kicked out of the house by his mother at age 12 and left to wander the streets for a year.

Hell, I don't even see anything on there about him being a crack baby. Again, A LOT of people grow up in less than ideal situations and don't do the crap he did.

Another article on his situation:
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/sep/10/local/me-phillips10

They guy made choices and paid for them. As I said before, i'm just glad he can't hurt anymore people.
 
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Good God, you people have gone complete moron on here. Where did I say people with PTSD shouldn't be held accountable? Hint: you won't find it because I didn't say it. You're just trying to create a straw man argument for the dunce that tried to compare a piece of trash, thuggish, sociopath that committed some of the most horrible crimes possible to a veteran.

Someone on here show me one clinical diagnosis saying that Phillips was so seriously mentally ill that it impeded his ability to discern right from wrong.

Wait, i'll share some quotes from Dr. Tom on the matter

“They essentially felt he had some (psychological) scars and some issues but he was not mentally or ill or anything like that,” Osborne said. “He incurred some pretty deep wounds (growing up). When certain circumstances rose, that anger would boil up.”

Most notoriously at Nebraska, that anger was present during an incident in 1985 when Phillips was arrested for assaulting his ex-girlfriend, a basketball player at Nebraska. Osborne, who suspended Phillips from the team after the incident, said he believes Phillips’ anger stemmed from childhood trauma, including being abandoned by his father as an infant and being kicked out of the house by his mother at age 12 and left to wander the streets for a year.

Hell, I don't even see anything on there about him being a crack baby. Again, A LOT of people grow up in less than ideal situations and don't do the crap he did.

Another article on his situation:
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/sep/10/local/me-phillips10

They guy made choices and paid for them. As I said before, i'm just glad he can't hurt anymore people.

You went completely moron when you started ripping on the deceased. Calling Lawrence Phillips a sociopath was the game winner though. While accusing others of building scarecrows, you apparently shoveled some shit filled hay into your Wheaties. So you going to flip that bowl over and use it for a pillow or are you going to eat that shit?

Rest in peace Lawrence Phillips.
 
You make zero sense what-so-ever. The dude is a classic case sociopath. You going to tell me that you don't know the difference between conscience and conscious either? I think it might be time to change that name again. That seems to be your M.O. when you either get banned or embarrassed too much.

I'll rip on any guy that repeatedly beats women and almost choked one to death, deceased or not, and never feel bad for it for a second. Oh, and it's rumored that he probably raped the guy he killed in prison also. I don't give one single crap about this piece of trash, I only feel for his family that he put through all of it and the many people he inflicted harm through the years.

But hey, go back to comparing completely different scenarios that make zero sense to somehow try to make a non-existent point there genius.
 
You went completely moron when you started ripping on the deceased. Calling Lawrence Phillips a sociopath was the game winner though. While accusing others of building scarecrows, you apparently shoveled some shit filled hay into your Wheaties. So you going to flip that bowl over and use it for a pillow or are you going to eat that shit?

Rest in peace Lawrence Phillips.
Right on the money man!!!

But hey....according to him, we are the ones that went complete moron here. LOL :D:D
 
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You make zero sense what-so-ever. The dude is a classic case sociopath. You going to tell me that you don't know the difference between conscience and conscious either? I think it might be time to change that name again. That seems to be your M.O. when you either get banned or embarrassed too much.

I'll rip on any guy that repeatedly beats women and almost choked one to death, deceased or not, and never feel bad for it for a second. Oh, and it's rumored that he probably raped the guy he killed in prison also. I don't give one single crap about this piece of trash, I only feel for his family that he put through all of it and the many people he inflicted harm through the years.

But hey, go back to comparing completely different scenarios that make zero sense to somehow try to make a non-existent point there genius.

So if he raped and murdered his cellmate, a guy who was doing 80+ years for murder, that makes him worse than somebody who wears an army uniform and rapes and murders a 12 year old girl?

I'm very aware of the difference of my inner voice of reason and being awake or not. My conscience tells me not to rip on the dead. I am conscious when I listen to that voice. I've been conscious when I listened to the other voices as well. It is kinda like listening to you...

Rest in peace Lawrence Phillips.
 
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Good God, you people have gone complete moron on here. Where did I say people with PTSD shouldn't be held accountable? Hint: you won't find it because I didn't say it. You're just trying to create a straw man argument for the dunce that tried to compare a piece of trash, thuggish, sociopath that committed some of the most horrible crimes possible to a veteran.

Someone on here show me one clinical diagnosis saying that Phillips was so seriously mentally ill that it impeded his ability to discern right from wrong.

Wait, i'll share some quotes from Dr. Tom on the matter

“They essentially felt he had some (psychological) scars and some issues but he was not mentally or ill or anything like that,” Osborne said. “He incurred some pretty deep wounds (growing up). When certain circumstances rose, that anger would boil up.”

Most notoriously at Nebraska, that anger was present during an incident in 1985 when Phillips was arrested for assaulting his ex-girlfriend, a basketball player at Nebraska. Osborne, who suspended Phillips from the team after the incident, said he believes Phillips’ anger stemmed from childhood trauma, including being abandoned by his father as an infant and being kicked out of the house by his mother at age 12 and left to wander the streets for a year.

Hell, I don't even see anything on there about him being a crack baby. Again, A LOT of people grow up in less than ideal situations and don't do the crap he did.

Another article on his situation:
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/sep/10/local/me-phillips10

They guy made choices and paid for them. As I said before, i'm just glad he can't hurt anymore people.
Let me give you a real life ongoing case that I'm involved with. A kid is taken from his mother at birth for neglect. He's in the system until he's 18 months and during that time was transferred to several foster homes. Those early months are the most important bonding month's in a child's life. He goes back to his biological mother, who had been raped by her cousin, which resulted in his birth. So he's a product of incest. For the next 6 years he's raised by his mother, who is mentally ill herself, and on welfare. He's raised in apartments with no furniture,he's taught racism, to abuse people to get his way, etc. At the age of 7 a baby brother is born. Both he and the baby go back into the system. Baby goes to foster care and is eventually adopted, he goes to several different group homes before he settles at one. Mom's parental rights are terminated. The 7 old, now 9, finds out that his biological father has been murdered. He never had a relationship with his father, but any hope of a relationship with him in the future is now gone. So at the age of 9 he's an orphan in the custody of the state. He's lost everything. His mom, his brother, his father, his extended family, everything. He's angry, violent, diagnosed with attachment disorder, which in mental health is the worst. It results in an inability to form normal loving relationships with others. He is now 11. He can't stay in school because of his anger and aggression towards other kids. He gets pushed to the 4th grade after 3 years in the 3rd grade, not because he was ready to move on, but because you can't have an 11 year old in the classroom with a bunch of 8 year olds, it's not safe. He goes awol occasionally from his group home and has been arrested multiple times for larceny, arson, vandalism, etc and has been charged with two felonies. This kid will most likely never get into a foster home, never be adopted, and age out of the system full of anger and with the attachment disorder. When you have that disorder you don't care about people. You don't care who you hurt or how you hurt them.

As for Lawrence Phillips, he experienced many traumatic events.

Phillips’ anger stemmed from childhood trauma, including being abandoned by his father as an infant and being kicked out of the house by his mother at age 12 and left to wander the streets for a year.

This is probably only a small portion of what he experienced.

Each time a child experiences neglect, abuse, is moved from a caregiver to a new caregiver, etc it's a traumatic event. The trauma builds and builds. These kids don't trust people, they don't care about people. They're in survival mode on a day to day basis. They have been hurt and betrayed by people their whole life. Hurt people, hurt people.
 
I don't know the numbers for other states, but there are 9,000 plus kids in the system in the state of Oklahoma. There is a major shortage of foster homes, so there's plenty of opportunity if you are interested in trying to make a difference in a kids life.
 
Let me give you a real life ongoing case that I'm involved with. A kid is taken from his mother at birth for neglect. He's in the system until he's 18 months and during that time was transferred to several foster homes. Those early months are the most important bonding month's in a child's life. He goes back to his biological mother, who had been raped by her cousin, which resulted in his birth. So he's a product of incest. For the next 6 years he's raised by his mother, who is mentally ill herself, and on welfare. He's raised in apartments with no furniture,he's taught racism, to abuse people to get his way, etc. At the age of 7 a baby brother is born. Both he and the baby go back into the system. Baby goes to foster care and is eventually adopted, he goes to several different group homes before he settles at one. Mom's parental rights are terminated. The 7 old, now 9, finds out that his biological father has been murdered. He never had a relationship with his father, but any hope of a relationship with him in the future is now gone. So at the age of 9 he's an orphan in the custody of the state. He's lost everything. His mom, his brother, his father, his extended family, everything. He's angry, violent, diagnosed with attachment disorder, which in mental health is the worst. It results in an inability to form normal loving relationships with others. He is now 11. He can't stay in school because of his anger and aggression towards other kids. He gets pushed to the 4th grade after 3 years in the 3rd grade, not because he was ready to move on, but because you can't have an 11 year old in the classroom with a bunch of 8 year olds, it's not safe. He goes awol occasionally from his group home and has been arrested multiple times for larceny, arson, vandalism, etc and has been charged with two felonies. This kid will most likely never get into a foster home, never be adopted, and age out of the system full of anger and with the attachment disorder. When you have that disorder you don't care about people. You don't care who you hurt or how you hurt them.

As for Lawrence Phillips, he experienced many traumatic events.

Phillips’ anger stemmed from childhood trauma, including being abandoned by his father as an infant and being kicked out of the house by his mother at age 12 and left to wander the streets for a year.

This is probably only a small portion of what he experienced.

Each time a child experiences neglect, abuse, is moved from a caregiver to a new caregiver, etc it's a traumatic event. The trauma builds and builds. These kids don't trust people, they don't care about people. They're in survival mode on a day to day basis. They have been hurt and betrayed by people their whole life. Hurt people, hurt people.

Well, got to give you props for helping these troubled, lost youngsters.
All I can do is send select charities some bucks every now and then as my plate is pretty full keeping myself on the straight and narrow.:eek:
 
Proverbs 16:4...

Where Lawrence Phillips fits is not for me to judge. Being accused of murder doesn't mean he did it. Hell, being convicted anymore doesn't either. Some of the most evil people I've met in life have never been charged with a crime, while some of the nicest were doing 20+ years in prison.

Rest in peace Lawrence Phillips.





It was just him and the guy he killed in a locked jail cell.
 
Wish I could help some of those foster kids, really do.
However, I can only imagine the shitstorm that my house would constantly be under. My wife already has little patience and tolerance with our own 4 year old. :eek: She's an only child in every sense and iota of that phrase.
 
My original name was PlanoSooner back in 2000, but it got canned for inactivity when I went to prison. Another was SoonerInBelton or something like that, it got canned when I went back to prison. PortLavacaSooner was banned on Orangebloods for pointing out the obvious, so I took two letters out and continued to piss them off. I've never been banned on any Sooners message board. Ever.
 
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