OT: OU's Joshua Landis on CrossTalk

[PtLavacaSooner]

OU's Director of Middle Eastern Studies and Associate Professor at the OU College of International Studies was on RT's CrossTalk today.... He had some interesting points, as some of the others did as well...

Note to mods... If this topic can't be handled here then feel free to delete it, I won't cry either way...

CrossTalk

 

[K2C Sooner]

Well I couldn't hear the video audio very well and I stopped it when he mentioned jobs for ISIS.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Oh my, this thread's gonna be a panic!

 

[K2C Sooner]

Originally posted by Soonersincefitty:
Oh my, this thread's gonna be a panic!

Okay, I'll tone it down..............................

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Gawd dang man, between the Sauza and your pictures...LMAO!

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

He never said anything about jobs for ISIS that I heard, and my audio works fine. The only part jobs were mentioned was at the beginning when Dr. Landis said, "Well, Libya is a failed state because the numbers are just wrong, population growth, no jobs, a dictator who had governed the country badly, and no real mature political opposition....."

What point did you hear 'jobs for ISIS???'

 

[K2C Sooner]

Originally posted by PtLavacaSooner:
He never said anything about jobs for ISIS that I heard, and my audio works fine. The only part jobs were mentioned was at the beginning when Dr. Landis said, "Well, Libya is a failed state because the numbers are just wrong, population growth, no jobs, a dictator who had governed the country badly, and no real mature political opposition....."

What point did you hear 'jobs for ISIS???'

Well, how about the" No jobs" you just posted in your answer?

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Oh come on, Maria Harf, WH mouthpiece said it.

You know it, we all know it.

Let's stop the tap dancing...

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Originally posted by K2C Sooner:

Originally posted by PtLavacaSooner:
He never said anything about jobs for ISIS that I heard, and my audio works fine. The only part jobs were mentioned was at the beginning when Dr. Landis said, "Well, Libya is a failed state because the numbers are just wrong, population growth, no jobs, a dictator who had governed the country badly, and no real mature political opposition....."

What point did you hear 'jobs for ISIS???'

Well, how about the" No jobs" you just posted in your answer?

The fact that there are 'no jobs' is one of many reasons Libya is a failed state, according to OU's Dr. Landis. He never suggested giving jobs to ISIS, as you said that he did.

Last time I checked, Dr. Landis works for the University of Oklahoma, not the United States Department of State, nor do I find any connection with Marie Harf and Dr. Landis.

If you have proof of this, why don't you provide it?

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Originally posted by Soonersincefitty:
Oh come on, Maria Harf, WH mouthpiece said it.

You know it, we all know it.

Let's stop the tap dancing...

She wasn't on the show, this isn't about her or her comments. This topic is about an OU professor who is considered an expert in his field being on a show about Libya and the Middle East on the Russia Today network.

 

[iasooner1]

John did you give K2C my gif idea?

 

[roygbell]

Originally posted by PtLavacaSooner:

Originally posted by Soonersincefitty:
Oh come on, Maria Harf, WH mouthpiece said it.

You know it, we all know it.

Let's stop the tap dancing...

She wasn't on the show, this isn't about her or her comments. This topic is about an OU professor who is considered an expert in his field being on a show about Libya and the Middle East on the Russia Today network.

Who says they don't have jobs?

They all have jobs. Their job is to create terror and fear. Kill and cut off heads is something they are really good at. Killing in the name of religion is a great job and they are very good at it. They also are good at beating up on women and that is a job they do 24/7 ... just like the post office rain, snow sleet they can cut a woman's tongue out for just about any ole reason. I hear the pay for whacking the heads off of reporters is a high paying job. ISIS, al qaeda, Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood and on and on they all have these great jobs.

 

[UofOKalum]

Republicans and Democrats have both chosen a side and some reason cannot see the good the other side does or the evil their side does.

A large percentage of the fighters we have caught were paid to emplace IEDs or hide caches. We know a lot of people are taking part only because they are paid to take part. I don't know what the answer is but the fact they are unable to make money is usually cited as an issue.

2.2 billion Christians vs 1.8 billion Muslims. Right now you are fighting .00004% of the worlds Muslims and they are taking Mohammad's real teachings to heart. Do you want to fight All, 1%, .0004%, or .000001% of them. We can point out to them that Mohammad commands them to kill US and increase the percentage. We can find ways to divert their attention and decrease the percentage. Right now our forces are trying to kill the fighters without creating new ones and that just might not be possible. We have gone over there and kicked a hornets' nest and act surprised there are hornets.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Originally posted by roygbell:
Who says they don't have jobs?

They all have jobs. Their job is to create terror and fear. Kill and cut off heads is something they are really good at. Killing in the name of religion is a great job and they are very good at it. They also are good at beating up on women and that is a job they do 24/7 ... just like the post office rain, snow sleet they can cut a woman's tongue out for just about any ole reason. I hear the pay for whacking the heads off of reporters is a high paying job. ISIS, al qaeda, Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood and on and on they all have these great jobs.

OU's Director of Middle Eastern Studies Dr. Joshua Landis says they don't have jobs. He is considered an expert in this subject. He cited it as one of many reasons why Libya is a failed state following the NATO bombing campaign that ousted Quaddafi. All Libyans aren't Muslim, nor do all Muslims want to go around beheading people.

Did you watch the segment Roy, or are you just talking about what you think was talked about on the show from prior posts on this thread that have nothing to do with the OP? Michael O'Brien called ISIS 'animals' and barbaric. Is this what you are talking about? If so, that is one specific group, not the entirety of them.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Originally posted by UofOKalum:

Republicans and Democrats have both chosen a side and some reason cannot see the good the other side does or the evil their side does.

A large percentage of the fighters we have caught were paid to emplace IEDs or hide caches. We know a lot of people are taking part only because they are paid to take part. I don't know what the answer is but the fact they are unable to make money is usually cited as an issue.

2.2 billion Christians vs 1.8 billion Muslims. Right now you are fighting .00004% of the worlds Muslims and they are taking Mohammad's real teachings to heart. Do you want to fight All, 1%, .0004%, or .000001% of them. We can point out to them that Mohammad commands them to kill US and increase the percentage. We can find ways to divert their attention and decrease the percentage. Right now our forces are trying to kill the fighters without creating new ones and that just might not be possible. We have gone over there and kicked a hornets' nest and act surprised there are hornets.

Well, like Dr. Landis points out, the U.S. pressures for regime change and free elections in the Middle East, yet doesn't understand how Hamas leaders are chosen in Palestine in 2006, or how Syrians repeatedly vote for people that the U.S. government doesn't like.

Kapil Komireddi said that the U.S. "...bombs the people from great heights, but you also want to be thought of as doing good things for the people your bombing. You are in cahoots with one of the vilest theocracies in the world, yet you want to be thought of as being on the forefront against religious extremism."

It obviously doesn't work both ways. Blowing Libya up and removing their leadership while having nothing to replace it with has brought on the situation there, as it did in Iraq.

 

[BillyRay]

I think Michael O'Brien said it best when he hit on countries in that part of the world are best suited for dictatorship in keeping their respective populations under some sort of control. There is such a large about of tribal and sectarian division between the people over there, it's a huge question if democracy will ever truly succeed in the majority of those countries.

Very good video. and those guys makes plenty of very good points.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Originally posted by BillyRay:
I think Michael O'Brien said it best when he hit on countries in that part of the world are best suited for dictatorship in keeping their respective populations under some sort of control. There is such a large about of tribal and sectarian division between the people over there, it's a huge question if democracy will ever truly succeed in the majority of those countries.

Very good video. and those guys makes plenty of very good points.

I talked to my Syrian godmother last week and asked her how it was living under Assad. She said that while she didn't like it, what are you going to replace it with? At least under Assad she could go to church and worship her God. Get rid of him and that is likely no longer the case, and Christians will more than likely be murdered in the streets and churches burned to the ground or converted to mosques. It doesn't seem as though our politicians think about that end of it very much, but then again, maybe they do?

 

[BillyRay]

Originally posted by PtLavacaSooner:

I talked to my Syrian godmother last week and asked her how it was living under Assad. She said that while she didn't like it, what are you going to replace it with? At least under Assad she could go to church and worship her God. Get rid of him and that is likely no longer the case, and Christians will more than likely be murdered in the streets and churches burned to the ground or converted to mosques. It doesn't seem as though our politicians think about that end of it very much, but then again, maybe they do?

I don't doubt that there is a portion of the Syrian population that wanted nothing to do with trying to topple the Assad government. But clearly there was a large portion of the population that felt otherwise. Whether those people really thought of the longterm consequences of such an endeavor, I have no idea. But they only have themselves to blame for allowing Al Qaeda and ISI getting a foothold in that country by allying themselves with them to fight against the Assad government. Now it's grown into a much larger problem that has splilled outside the Syrian borders into other countries in the region. Can't really lay the blame at the feet of our politicians, since early in the Syrian civil war Obama decided not to supply them arms to fight. Now whether the US had a hand in getting the civil war initiated several years ago, I really don't know. I haven't looked into it that far back. Maybe you have info that can clue me into whether the US was involved in getting the Syrian people going down the path of a civil war.

Myself, I felt prolly the same way as you did even during the uprisings in Egypt and Libya. I told every one to be careful what you wish for. I was a bit skeptical of the Muslim Brotherhood back then. Just because those groups rose to topple those governments, doesn't mean they will automatically be friendly to the US. I think the US got involved in Libya, due to the past clashes with Gaddafi, and they felt it was worth the risk of ending his regime in the HOPE that what replaced him was better.

 

[BillyRay]

I will say this, I was watching a very good video on ISIS that some reporters were able to get inside access to the group, and part of the access was witnessing ISIS attempts to "re-educate" captured Syrian troops, and they were being shown a video clip of Joshua Landis, with University of Oklahoma in the background, and using it as propoganda. They said Landis was the "western spokesperson" if I remember right. I wasn't exactly thrilled at seeing something associated with OU as being twisted into propoganda over there by ISIS.

 

[roygbell]

Originally posted by PtLavacaSooner:

Originally posted by roygbell:

Who says they don't have jobs?

They all have jobs. Their job is to create terror and fear. Kill and cut off heads is something they are really good at. Killing in the name of religion is a great job and they are very good at it. They also are good at beating up on women and that is a job they do 24/7 ... just like the post office rain, snow sleet they can cut a woman's tongue out for just about any ole reason. I hear the pay for whacking the heads off of reporters is a high paying job. ISIS, al qaeda, Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood and on and on they all have these great jobs.

OU's Director of Middle Eastern Studies Dr. Joshua Landis says they don't have jobs. He is considered an expert in this subject. He cited it as one of many reasons why Libya is a failed state following the NATO bombing campaign that ousted Quaddafi. All Libyans aren't Muslim, nor do all Muslims want to go around beheading people.

Did you watch the segment Roy, or are you just talking about what you think was talked about on the show from prior posts on this thread that have nothing to do with the OP? Michael O'Brien called ISIS 'animals' and barbaric. Is this what you are talking about? If so, that is one specific group, not the entirety of them.

Are you blind?

Who has to watch a video to understand that these people are simply killers and terrorists. You want me to post some photos of the ISIS cutting off heads?

So your solution is for us to make up some jobs for these people and that solves the problem?

We all know the ISIS types don't reflect all Muslim's. So you don't have to preach to me.

I think you are just an excuse maker. The folks in this region of the world have had a chance to make something of themselves over the last 50 years with all the hydrocarbon wealth they have. For the most part it has all been squandered. At some point the mainline peace loving Muslims have to stand up and take responsibility for the small insignificant percentage who are the terrorists that you and people like you want to talk about.

I don't have much patience with people who just like to make up excuses for those who abuse their countrymen and ravage the earth for their own wealth.

Have you ever been out of this country?

I doubt it.

I have spent lots of time in that part of the world. I watched the Muslim republics of the old USSR fall back into the centuries old tribal warfare once Gorbachev turned them loose. It was like the 100 some year rule by force of the Czars and communist rule by brute force had just been a blip on history. These Muslim tribes will never live in peace as they will always want to fight and kill.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Good for you Roy. You get it.

I can appreciate all the whys and the deep history of these murderers but, at some point everyone has to address...what are we going to do about it now?

One analogy is slavery.
I had nothing to do with that ugly era in history, so I certainly am not going to have any hand wringing guilt about it.

We have to stop these jackals before they get here, and all intel points to the sobering fact they're indeed here already.

It's not like we aren't inviting them in daily through our joke of a southern border!

Fire all the bastards in Washington!

Feckless, worthless jackwagons...

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Originally posted by roygbell:

Originally posted by PtLavacaSooner:

Originally posted by roygbell:

Who says they don't have jobs?

They all have jobs. Their job is to create terror and fear. Kill and cut off heads is something they are really good at. Killing in the name of religion is a great job and they are very good at it. They also are good at beating up on women and that is a job they do 24/7 ... just like the post office rain, snow sleet they can cut a woman's tongue out for just about any ole reason. I hear the pay for whacking the heads off of reporters is a high paying job. ISIS, al qaeda, Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood and on and on they all have these great jobs.

OU's Director of Middle Eastern Studies Dr. Joshua Landis says they don't have jobs. He is considered an expert in this subject. He cited it as one of many reasons why Libya is a failed state following the NATO bombing campaign that ousted Quaddafi. All Libyans aren't Muslim, nor do all Muslims want to go around beheading people.

Did you watch the segment Roy, or are you just talking about what you think was talked about on the show from prior posts on this thread that have nothing to do with the OP? Michael O'Brien called ISIS 'animals' and barbaric. Is this what you are talking about? If so, that is one specific group, not the entirety of them.

Are you blind?

Who has to watch a video to understand that these people are simply killers and terrorists. You want me to post some photos of the ISIS cutting off heads?

So your solution is for us to make up some jobs for these people and that solves the problem?

We all know the ISIS types don't reflect all Muslim's. So you don't have to preach to me.

I think you are just an excuse maker. The folks in this region of the world have had a chance to make something of themselves over the last 50 years with all the hydrocarbon wealth they have. For the most part it has all been squandered. At some point the mainline peace loving Muslims have to stand up and take responsibility for the small insignificant percentage who are the terrorists that you and people like you want to talk about.

I don't have much patience with people who just like to make up excuses for those who abuse their countrymen and ravage the earth for their own wealth.

Have you ever been out of this country?

I doubt it.

I have spent lots of time in that part of the world. I watched the Muslim republics of the old USSR fall back into the centuries old tribal warfare once Gorbachev turned them loose. It was like the 100 some year rule by force of the Czars and communist rule by brute force had just been a blip on history. These Muslim tribes will never live in peace as they will always want to fight and kill.

No, I'm not blind, are you? How about deaf?

While you say, "Who has to watch a video to understand that these people are simply killers and terrorists. You want me to post some photos of the ISIS cutting off heads?" I posted a video with an OU professor who is an expert in the field to discuss his comments and those of his colleagues. If you want to turn this into a pissing match about ISIS and cutting off heads, that is your problem.

Please provide some sort of evidence that suggest even remotely that I said to give them jobs. You can't because I never have. Nor did OU's Dr. Landis. I haven't preached to you about anything, it seems you are trying to preach to me about a subject that I never brought up. Whether you want to watch the video or not is your business, but if you don't, then please refrain from telling me what is on it. I have watched it and have tried to discuss what was said during it, what you are talking about isn't brought up in the video.

While you can call me an excuse maker all you want, I have watched the video and discussed it's contents, while you have not. Who is making excuses? What "those people" do with their wealth wasn't discussed in the video either.

Ah, we agree on something. "At some point the mainline peace loving Muslims have to stand up and take responsibility for the small insignificant percentage who are the terrorists that you and people like you want to talk about." I've said plenty of times that the people over there need to deal with them. Not sure who "the people like you" is that you are referring to, but do I need to? I speak for myself.

I do have plenty of patience for people who discuss a subject without watching the video provided, which is why I entertain responding to you. News flash, the subject in the OP is the comments made on the video which was linked. If you aren't discussing that, then what are you discussing?

I don't know what me going outside of this country has to do with the OP, but just to burst your bubble, yes, I have. I'm glad you have spent a lot of time in the world, regardless of which part of it you are in. Many of the people that I will be joining at church in a while have spent a lot of time there as well. Most of them grew up there and still have family there, shall I have them talk to you about it?

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Originally posted by Soonersincefitty:
Good for you Roy. You get it.

I can appreciate all the whys and the deep history of these murderers but, at some point everyone has to address...what are we going to do about it now?

One analogy is slavery.
I had nothing to do with that ugly era in history, so I certainly am not going to have any hand wringing guilt about it.

We have to stop these jackals before they get here, and all intel points to the sobering fact they're indeed here already.

It's not like we aren't inviting them in daily through our joke of a southern border!

Fire all the bastards in Washington!

Feckless, worthless jackwagons...

As if others don't? Would you like to discuss what Dr. Landis said or derail the thread based upon your ideas? Have you watched the video?

 

[roygbell]

Originally posted by PtLavacaSooner:

Originally posted by Soonersincefitty:
Good for you Roy. You get it.

I can appreciate all the whys and the deep history of these murderers but, at some point everyone has to address...what are we going to do about it now?

One analogy is slavery.
I had nothing to do with that ugly era in history, so I certainly am not going to have any hand wringing guilt about it.

We have to stop these jackals before they get here, and all intel points to the sobering fact they're indeed here already.

It's not like we aren't inviting them in daily through our joke of a southern border!

Fire all the bastards in Washington!

Feckless, worthless jackwagons...

As if others don't? Would you like to discuss what Dr. Landis said or derail the thread based upon your ideas? Have you watched the video?

Who cares about watching some pie in the sky video from some egghead that lives in some wonderland.

What I care about is the leaders of this country doing what has to be done to keep us safe and free from the ISIS types from bringing their hatred and terrorist ways and acts to this county.

Do you know this present administration now wants to bring thousands of the folks who are running from these thugs to this country so the US taxpayers can pay for their keep and watch them bring in their terrorist friends and buddies into this country using out own money. The ISIS thugs are talking about attacking the Malls in Minnesota as we speak. You think what some OU guy thinks is more important than keeping this country safe?

Look this is a pure political issue and it is very divisive and doesn't belong on this board. Some of us have tried to discuss gun issues on this board only to have them hijacked by the uninformed anti-gun crowd. Personally, I don't understand how this survived the first 10 minutes without it being taken down. But as long as it is here I am going to voice my opinion on the subject. I don't care if you like it or not.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Originally posted by roygbell:

Who cares about watching some pie in the sky video from some egghead that lives in some wonderland.

What I care about is the leaders of this country doing what has to be done to keep us safe and free from the ISIS types from bringing their hatred and terrorist ways and acts to this county.

Do you know this present administration now wants to bring thousands of the folks who are running from these thugs to this country so the US taxpayers can pay for their keep and watch them bring in their terrorist friends and buddies into this country using out own money. The ISIS thugs are talking about attacking the Malls in Minnesota as we speak. You think what some OU guy thinks is more important than keeping this country safe?

Look this is a pure political issue and it is very divisive and doesn't belong on this board. Some of us have tried to discuss gun issues on this board only to have them hijacked by the uninformed anti-gun crowd. Personally, I don't understand how this survived the first 10 minutes without it being taken down. But as long as it is here I am going to voice my opinion on the subject. I don't care if you like it or not.

So why post on the topic? You haven't discussed anything about what the OP was yet, because you don't even know what was said on it. I find it interesting that you being an OU supporter, consider an OU professor to be an egghead who lives in wonderland. I believe he lives in Norman, is that wonderland?

Did you know that prior administrations have been doing that for decades? Go check your facts, all I had to do was ask the Eritreans at church today. It is funny too, because many in Port Lavaca and the surrounding areas treat them as if they were Muslim and sponging off of the U.S. taxpayer, yet they are the ones who go as far as Houston or San Antonio to work and provide for their families, and they aren't Muslim at all. Those who say such things? Most use their Lone Star card at HEB or Wal-Mart, sponging off of the Texas taxpayer.

If ISIS thugs are talking about attacking malls in Minnesota, arrest them. If they try, shoot them. I've never said that what an OU guy says is more important than the safety of this country. Please show some evidence that I have. I have initiated a discussion about what an OU guy was on TV talking about, if you don't want to talk about it, why are you talking on this thread?

The problem with what you say here, is that you haven't addressed the subject at all, because you don't even know what it is. Yet you don't need to watch the video of some pie in the sky... I didn't see any pies anywhere in the video, in the sky or on a table, or in anyone's face.

You are quick to make your false claims about where I stand on the issue, telling me how I ought to think based upon your perception. It is possible that a solution or the start of a solution was discussed on the video, yet you'd never know, you haven't watched it.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

Originally posted by BillyRay:

Originally posted by PtLavacaSooner:

I talked to my Syrian godmother last week and asked her how it was living under Assad. She said that while she didn't like it, what are you going to replace it with? At least under Assad she could go to church and worship her God. Get rid of him and that is likely no longer the case, and Christians will more than likely be murdered in the streets and churches burned to the ground or converted to mosques. It doesn't seem as though our politicians think about that end of it very much, but then again, maybe they do?

I don't doubt that there is a portion of the Syrian population that wanted nothing to do with trying to topple the Assad government. But clearly there was a large portion of the population that felt otherwise. Whether those people really thought of the longterm consequences of such an endeavor, I have no idea. But they only have themselves to blame for allowing Al Qaeda and ISI getting a foothold in that country by allying themselves with them to fight against the Assad government. Now it's grown into a much larger problem that has splilled outside the Syrian borders into other countries in the region. Can't really lay the blame at the feet of our politicians, since early in the Syrian civil war Obama decided not to supply them arms to fight. Now whether the US had a hand in getting the civil war initiated several years ago, I really don't know. I haven't looked into it that far back. Maybe you have info that can clue me into whether the US was involved in getting the Syrian people going down the path of a civil war.

Myself, I felt prolly the same way as you did even during the uprisings in Egypt and Libya. I told every one to be careful what you wish for. I was a bit skeptical of the Muslim Brotherhood back then. Just because those groups rose to topple those governments, doesn't mean they will automatically be friendly to the US. I think the US got involved in Libya, due to the past clashes with Gaddafi, and they felt it was worth the risk of ending his regime in the HOPE that what replaced him was better.

And that is part of the problem. While it isn't hard to say "Replace this dictator in ______..." who is exactly going to take over? In Syria they will most likely impose Sharia law and remove the opportunity for any other faith to be practiced. There isn't a simple 'just do this and it will work out' answer. Iraq and Libya are just two examples, and ISIS without a doubt needs to be stopped. But at what cost and what will be the end result? If we get rid of them, is there a new radical group that rises up even stronger? These seem like legitimate questions to me, but not so much to others.

I appreciate the fact that you took the time to watch the video, whether one agrees with it or not, seems hard to comment on it if you haven't...

 

[BillyRay]

Originally posted by PtLavacaSooner:

And that is part of the problem. While it isn't hard to say "Replace this dictator in ______..." who is exactly going to take over? In Syria they will most likely impose Sharia law and remove the opportunity for any other faith to be practiced. There isn't a simple 'just do this and it will work out' answer. Iraq and Libya are just two examples, and ISIS without a doubt needs to be stopped. But at what cost and what will be the end result? If we get rid of them, is there a new radical group that rises up even stronger? These seem like legitimate questions to me, but not so much to others.

I appreciate the fact that you took the time to watch the video, whether one agrees with it or not, seems hard to comment on it if you haven't...

In Libya and Syria though, it was the decision of a certain portion of the population that wanted a regime change, not the US. So whether the US got involved or not, factions in those countries were going to go down that road regardless. I agree with your question of "but at what cost." I don't like the idea of putting US troops back into those countries to fight this conflict. ISIS has made enough enemies over there that are willing to fight them. This isn't so much an issue of ISIS being Anti-US. ISIS is fighting a religious war against anyone who doesn't believe in their belief of enforcing Sharia law in the areas they control. So with that being said, I don't have a problem with the US at least supporting the countries who DO want to fight against ISIS and defeat them. Whether that be arms, training, intelligence, etc.

The vast majority of Muslims do NOT support the ISIS ideology. This is similar to what happened in Iraq during the insurgency between 2003 and 2008. The Iraqi population finally had enough of the brutality the Al Qaeda backed portion of the insurgency was inflicting on the civilian population, and in the end they turned against ISI and fought with the American's to defeat them. Hopefully the same will happen here, but in more of a regional effort to defeat them rather than a lone countries population.

Of course I will watch videos like that. Glad you shared it actually. I'm always open to hearing other viewpoints and opportunities to learn about that area of the world. The more you understand that part of the world and how each side thinks, the better you can understand exactly why they are doing what they are doing.

 

[sooner_mike]

No more ISIS threads, Medic locked one just like this just a few days ago. This is not the place for these kind of threads. Any further threads will be removed. Talk sports all you want political and religious threads are not allowed.