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Originally posted by Soonersincefitty:
See, that would be the prism of emotion and pride. It's all good and you're forgiven.
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I don't need your forgiveness.

The fact that 22 came back to post on this board is a strange twist in the respects that he hasn't posted in months, and then elected to use this for his return.

The fact that he has not denounced the the content of the video and the fraternity is even worse.
 
Originally posted by Soonersincefitty:
Eh, get over your bloated self Nota.

I wasn't talking to you.
Well make no mistake. I was talking to you. No one on this thread has asked for forgiveness.
 
Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:
Pointing out the hypocrisy of the matters isn't condoning the frat behavior.
It isn't denouncing either. It embraces it as we've witnessed by the many who visited the board this morning.
 
Any song that played over the PA that promotes violence, hate and an extreme disrespect for legal authority has no place at a state run university athletic event…..

But a hateful atmosphere at many major universities lets this and other damaging songs be played.
Hate like this is wrong too!
 
Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:
Pretty obvious to me he's against it, just extending the point.
I'm against concealed carry laws, but I don't choose to promote that agenda when a child enters a school and murders 7 people with daddy's handgun. That would be tacky and irrelevant.
 
Originally posted by Soonerheart:
Any song that played over the PA that promotes violence, hate and an extreme disrespect for legal authority has no place at a state run university athletic event…..

But a hateful atmosphere at many major universities lets this and other damaging songs be played.
Hate like this is wrong too!
Excellent post.



Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:

The fact that he has not denounced the the content of the video and the fraternity is even worse.
Hey WNAS, I denounce all racism, including the video and actions of SAE University of Oklahoma. Now you're going to have to troll me from a different angle. I'm sure you'll come up with something.
 
If you think its out of context than say as much but implying that someone condones the behavior because they related to a common point is hardly fair.

It's a delicate topic no doubt but 22 has a valid point. Free speech is free speech. I'm against racism and abusing women equally, but the video posted stirs much more emotion than the song. I'm sure its the same for most but if someone is equally outraged by both or one more than the other, it doesn't mean that person condones racism or the abuse of women.
 
22 how did you even know the lyrics to that song? I'm guessing 90% of the people, including Boren, are only familiar with the phrase, "Jump, Jump". Welcome back, nice first post
 
Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:
Pointing out the hypocrisy of the matters isn't condoning the frat behavior.
Hypocrisy of a moral or religious code? I ask because the song by societal standards is not immoral. Taboo, yes. Immoral, no. The OP wasn't suddenly enlightened and made this thread out of a sense of moral conflict. He made it in response to the collective condemnation of acts of blatant racism. In effect what he has done is found a very creative way to subtly question the fabric of the OU institution solely BECAUSE of their response to the video. I'm not sure what that says about him and I won't speculate, but don't play us for simpletons. He isn't just pointing out institutional hypocrisy, which is quite a reach in any forum for debate.
 
Originally posted by Soonerheart:
Any song that played over the PA that promotes violence, hate and an extreme disrespect for legal authority has no place at a state run university athletic event…..

But a hateful atmosphere at many major universities lets this and other damaging songs be played.
Hate like this is wrong too!
Your first statement is an accurate one, except "Jump Around" isn't one of those songs, at least overwhelming majority of the people won't interpret it that way. As for the SAE dude, I don't think there's any mystery over his message. Now he gets to be THAT guy on the internet.

So... if you were his current employer, how do you handle this? Being a racist isn't a crime, but is he now a liability to the organization? Gotta love the age of smartphones...
 
Originally posted by PalmBeachCane:

Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:
Pointing out the hypocrisy of the matters isn't condoning the frat behavior.
Hypocrisy of a moral or religious code? I ask because the song by societal standards is not immoral. Taboo, yes. Immoral, no. The OP wasn't suddenly enlightened and made this thread out of a sense of moral conflict. He made it in response to the collective condemnation of acts of blatant racism. In effect what he has done is found a very creative way to subtly question the fabric of the OU institution solely BECAUSE of their response to the video. I'm not sure what that says about him and I won't speculate, but don't play us for simpletons. He isn't just pointing out institutional hypocrisy, which is quite a reach in any forum for debate.
PalmBeachCane hit the nail on the head......why wait until now just to point out a song you've been jumping around in section 22 for the last 20yrs? I smell BS
 
Originally posted by PalmBeachCane:


Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:
Pointing out the hypocrisy of the matters isn't condoning the frat behavior.
Hypocrisy of a moral or religious code? I ask because the song by societal standards is not immoral. Taboo, yes. Immoral, no. The OP wasn't suddenly enlightened and made this thread out of a sense of moral conflict. He made it in response to the collective condemnation of acts of blatant racism. In effect what he has done is found a very creative way to subtly question the fabric of the OU institution solely BECAUSE of their response to the video. I'm not sure what that says about him and I won't speculate, but don't play us for simpletons. He isn't just pointing out institutional hypocrisy, which is quite a reach in any forum for debate.
I'm not going to get into why the song isn't viewed AS immoral as the content in the video, but it does contain immoral references. By this same logic I could twist your words to assume that you only feel abuse towards women is "taboo" and not immoral.
 
I think this is a whole lot more complex than those who are most upset by the video would seem to want to consider.

So that WNAS doesn't get his indignities all out of whack, let me first say that I'll totally denounce the actions shown on the video as deplorable. But maybe with an asterisk. I'd add to the conversation that my OU degree was called Ethical And Religious Studies. So while I don't have any claim to superiority in the discussion, let's just say that I understand the process of determining how such actions should be considered pretty well.

I don't think you have to be liberal, conservative, centrist or purple to find the actions highly objectionable. There would seem to be something institutionally obvious in the song of the video. These guys seem to be singing it together in a manner that more than suggests that it's been sung probably many times before. There is a problem with that. I get that.

Now I'm a born aginner. So there are more than a few things that I find quite objectionable. What Nero did, using the dead or sometimes live bodies of first century believers as the stuff to make torches from to light his city, or the crucifixion of some simply for their beliefs is something as objectionable as I can imagine. And I understand that African Americans suffered similarly horrific treatment in our culture for several centuries. So part of my point here, is that there is a history. So how far back do we go to form the basis of our objections. And I use this hyperbole with the full understanding that what happened 2000 years ago has not as much relevance and less than 100 years ago.

But

Those on what I'd call the world view left ... i.e. those who would say that there is not such thing as absolute truth, want to have the unilateral authority to make up the exceptions to that. I find lots of objection to those who would take the Lord's name in vain. That used to be a sizable cultural agreement in years past. Not so much now. But if someone does that in what most reasonable people would call excess, say on this board, especially on the premium side, then making objection to that is considered a position mostly worthy of ridicule. This is my asterisk point.

When I was even in elementary school, there were several members of my family members in the generation older than I, who were pretty blatant racists. They weren't mean about it. Just stupid. And I argued with them pretty frequently about how short of common sense their arguments were. One of the things I'm proudest of in my life, just generally, was that in Plano, Tx in 1966, the only African American track athlete to make the state meet and I became the first interracial roommates in the history of the school district, to share a hotel room as roomies for the trip to Austin. I'm sure both of us caught considerable ribbing at least from our peers.

Because of these things, I considered myself to be above being labelled as a racist or even of having racist tendencies. I've since learned that I shouldn't have been nearly so proud of myself. We all have thoughts we should work on.

I get that this tape is embarrassing to OU and at least some, to all of us who love OU, to varying degrees.

But I think 22's point is more than valid. I don't understand the unique designation, especially for those on the world view left, who would say that free speech is free for a reason, but then selectively say that this sort of speech is uniquely objectionable to the point that a fraternity house should be closed. I'm all for SAE losing any lor all privileges as a fraternity. And maybe my info is wrong, but my understanding is that guys who live in the frat house, have been told they'll have to get out. Many of them had nothing to do with the video. And that, if true, I do not understand.

To step further into trouble, I'd also contend that the stupid and horrible actions in the video, are less objectionable, than say some "art" of the African American culture, that calls for the killing of say police officers. I thought our first African American president basically used speech that led to the killing of two NYC police officers, in the aftermath of what went on after the no billing by the Missouri grand jury several months ago. I found his speech highly objectionable. I understand that there are those who would disagree. And that's okay.

My overall point is this. I don't understand why the use of the N word is the one totally unforgivable sin. I basically quit spending much time with a couple of my closest relatives, because they liked to toss the N word around. I find it very objectionable. I didn't want my kids around anybody on any regular basis who made that too often part of their thought process and speech. As a believer in absolute truth, I think it's wrong. Period.

What the drunken frat boys did in "private," deserves considerable sanction. But I don't get the uniqueness of their idiocy. And I don't think I'm alone in this lack of "insight."

And I get the feeling that if some, say white or black liberal politician made stupid, highly offensive statements in private, that most of the media would be talking about the violation of their privacy, and who was it who stabbed them in the back by recording and then releasing this video.

SAE as an OU fraternity deserves whatever actions their national leadership and OU's leadership throws at them. But I find the punishment of those who weren't on the bus, to be curiously "without due process." And I think the selectively indignant outcry to be more than a little self serving.
 
The song has been featured in films Pringles
commercial in the late 1990s. It also features as darts player Gary
Anderson's walk-on music. The song also appears in the second season of
the television series New Girl when Jess, Nick, and Schmidt are celebrating the return of hot water to their loft.

Jump around was publish in 1992
 
Originally posted by TexShoe:
Originally posted by Soonerheart:
Any song that played over the PA that promotes violence, hate and an extreme disrespect for legal authority has no place at a state run university athletic event…..

But a hateful atmosphere at many major universities lets this and other damaging songs be played.
Hate like this is wrong too!
Your first statement is an accurate one, except "Jump Around" isn't one of those songs, at least overwhelming majority of the people won't interpret it that way. As for the SAE dude, I don't think there's any mystery over his message. Now he gets to be THAT guy on the internet.

So... if you were his current employer, how do you handle this? Being a racist isn't a crime, but is he now a liability to the organization? Gotta love the age of smartphones...
Personally I would fire all involved. Obviously Boren would fire the entire department to make sure he got them all.
 
Originally posted by USC 619:
The song has been featured in films Pringles
commercial in the late 1990s. It also features as darts player Gary
Anderson's walk-on music. The song also appears in the second season of
the television series New Girl when Jess, Nick, and Schmidt are celebrating the return of hot water to their loft.


So?

It's this simple: The song doesn't bother me, but it doesn't mean I approve of violence towards law enforcement or the abuse of women. That doesn't mean it doesn't bother someone else.

The video makes me shake my head at the stupidity but it doesn't affect me either. This doesn't make me a racist.

There are plenty of posters on this board who have known the OP, a former moderator here, for a long time, and could verify through board posting and private emails, that nothing he's ever done has suggested a hint of racism.

A few butthurt posters with a grudge will try and paint a different picture here, but I'm confident that the majority of the guys here agree with me.
 
Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:
Originally posted by USC 619:
The song has been featured in films Pringles
commercial in the late 1990s. It also features as darts player Gary
Anderson's walk-on music. The song also appears in the second season of
the television series New Girl when Jess, Nick, and Schmidt are celebrating the return of hot water to their loft.


So?

It's this simple: The song doesn't bother me, but it doesn't mean I approve of violence towards law enforcement or the abuse of women. That doesn't mean it doesn't bother someone else.

The video makes me shake my head at the stupidity but it doesn't affect me either. This doesn't make me a racist.

There are plenty of posters on this board who have known the OP, a former moderator here, for a long time, and could verify through board posting and private emails, that nothing he's ever done has suggested a hint of racism.

A few butthurt posters with a grudge will try and paint a different picture here, but I'm confident that the majority of the guys here agree with me.
"you can hang them from a tree, but they'll never sign with me." I'll leave it on that note.
 
Originally posted by pfka_ms:

Personally I would fire all involved. Obviously Boren would fire the entire department to make sure he got them all.
I'm not sure if that was a tongue in cheek comment, but we do live in an overly litigious society. For Boren, in order to absolve himself and the entire school of some sort of "guilt", he needs to fire as many people as he possibly can.
 
Originally posted by USC 619:
Originally posted by PalmBeachCane:

Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:
Pointing out the hypocrisy of the matters isn't condoning the frat behavior.
Hypocrisy of a moral or religious code? I ask because the song by societal standards is not immoral. Taboo, yes. Immoral, no. The OP wasn't suddenly enlightened and made this thread out of a sense of moral conflict. He made it in response to the collective condemnation of acts of blatant racism. In effect what he has done is found a very creative way to subtly question the fabric of the OU institution solely BECAUSE of their response to the video. I'm not sure what that says about him and I won't speculate, but don't play us for simpletons. He isn't just pointing out institutional hypocrisy, which is quite a reach in any forum for debate.
PalmBeachCane hit the nail on the head......why wait until now just to point out a song you've been jumping around in section 22 for the last 20yrs? I smell BS
It is BS. It took him 50 posts in his threads to denounce racism and only after I called him or as he says 'trolled" him. At least he finally denounced it.
 
So the scorched earther is upset. I haven't forgotten the op/ed guest hit piece in the New York Times about this guy's regret for voting to confirm Justice Thomas. This guy went on to fall from grace with the Daily Oklahoman, after joining his slander-wielding Senate colleagues.. Forgive me if I don't take this guy seriously.
 
Originally posted by USC 619:

Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:

Originally posted by USC 619:
The song has been featured in films Pringles
commercial in the late 1990s. It also features as darts player Gary
Anderson's walk-on music. The song also appears in the second season of
the television series New Girl when Jess, Nick, and Schmidt are celebrating the return of hot water to their loft.




So?

It's this simple: The song doesn't bother me, but it doesn't mean I approve of violence towards law enforcement or the abuse of women. That doesn't mean it doesn't bother someone else.

The video makes me shake my head at the stupidity but it doesn't affect me either. This doesn't make me a racist.

There are plenty of posters on this board who have known the OP, a former moderator here, for a long time, and could verify through board posting and private emails, that nothing he's ever done has suggested a hint of racism.

A few butthurt posters with a grudge will try and paint a different picture here, but I'm confident that the majority of the guys here agree with me.

"you can hang them from a tree, but they'll never sign with me." I'll leave it on that note.


It's terribly racist. I've watched the video several times now....but I never saw 22 on the bus.

I see a bunch of dumb kids caught up in group think, trying to be cool.
 
This event has already cost OU one of its 2016 commitments in Jean Delance and Coach Stoops joined his team in condemning this behavior as it could damage OU's recruiting.
But the football aspect of this extends far beyond just the team....this is a bad reflection on the university and the state of Oklahoma. It also gives the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and their ilk more ammunition to keep the racial unrest going so they can profit from it.
Boren had no choice in closing the fraternity immediately.....it was not the politically correct thing to do....it was the right thing to do. Now OU has some major "fence mending" ahead.
 
Carey Murdock ‏@CareyWWLS 1m1 minute ago
#Sooners walked into practice arm in arm, stood on field in formation, huddled at midfield and then left. No practice today.

Another reporter said the huddle at midfield was to recite the Lord's Prayer
 
Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:
Originally posted by USC 619:
The song has been featured in films Pringles
commercial in the late 1990s. It also features as darts player Gary
Anderson's walk-on music. The song also appears in the second season of
the television series New Girl when Jess, Nick, and Schmidt are celebrating the return of hot water to their loft.


So?

It's this simple: The song doesn't bother me, but it doesn't mean I approve of violence towards law enforcement or the abuse of women. That doesn't mean it doesn't bother someone else.

The video makes me shake my head at the stupidity but it doesn't affect me either. This doesn't make me a racist.

There are plenty of posters on this board who have known the OP, a former moderator here, for a long time, and could verify through board posting and private emails, that nothing he's ever done has suggested a hint of racism.

A few butthurt posters with a grudge will try and paint a different picture here, but I'm confident that the majority of the guys here agree with me.
I can't find any posts that suggested that 22 is a racist. But I can find many that question is tactic of his post as being mis-placed and I believe completely wrong. After all, when it comes to law enforcement, I'm willing to bet that many on this board including 22, enjoy Eric Clapton even though he recorded that he "Shot the Sheriff but did not shoot the Deputy."

Get a life people. And if you think I'm trolling you, this thread is worthy of being trolled.

There is NO place for racism in our lives.
 
Until today, I had no idea what the lyrics were to Jump Around. I had to go to ITunes and search to hear the song....if that's what it is called. It's familiar, but as most that type of stuff, I can't understand but one out of every six and seven words. But I've done a little research and discovered that Wisconsin plays the song at home football game between the 3rd and 4th quarters. North Carolina plays the song at the beginning of every home basketball game and when the Tar Heels won their last national championship, the song was played over the PA system after the final buzzer at the Smith Center. In 2012, NC's football team started playing Jump Around before games. The San Francisco Giants play the song at AT&T Park when closing pitcher Brian Wilson entered the game for his warm ups. The New York Mets used to play the song when 3rd baseman David Wright came to bat. I could go on and on, but I won't. But I'd wager not too many owners, universities presidents, or corporate sponsors' chairmen, e.g., AT&T, has any idea what the lyrics are to Jump Around. If they did, I doubt that the song would be played in so many venues. Its a smutty song, but so few decision makers know.
 
Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:


Originally posted by USC 619:

Originally posted by PalmBeachCane:


Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:
Pointing out the hypocrisy of the matters isn't condoning the frat behavior.
Hypocrisy of a moral or religious code? I ask because the song by societal standards is not immoral. Taboo, yes. Immoral, no. The OP wasn't suddenly enlightened and made this thread out of a sense of moral conflict. He made it in response to the collective condemnation of acts of blatant racism. In effect what he has done is found a very creative way to subtly question the fabric of the OU institution solely BECAUSE of their response to the video. I'm not sure what that says about him and I won't speculate, but don't play us for simpletons. He isn't just pointing out institutional hypocrisy, which is quite a reach in any forum for debate.
PalmBeachCane hit the nail on the head......why wait until now just to point out a song you've been jumping around in section 22 for the last 20yrs? I smell BS
It is BS. It took him 50 posts in his threads to denounce racism and only after I called him or as he says 'trolled" him. At least he finally denounced it.
Don't have to read to hard between these lines.
 
@bcsoonerfan: I'm posting from a phone, so excuse any difficulty.

You seem like a smart person. I think you know it's dangerous to place ethical/moral labels on what a culture may view as art or entertainment
Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:


Originally posted by PalmBeachCane:




Originally posted by bcsoonerfan:
Pointing out the hypocrisy of the matters isn't condoning the frat behavior.

Hypocrisy of a moral or religious code? I ask because the song by societal standards is not immoral. Taboo, yes. Immoral, no. The OP wasn't suddenly enlightened and made this thread out of a sense of moral conflict. He made it in response to the collective condemnation of acts of blatant racism. In effect what he has done is found a very creative way to subtly question the fabric of the OU institution solely BECAUSE of their response to the video. I'm not sure what that says about him and I won't speculate, but don't play us for simpletons. He isn't just pointing out institutional hypocrisy, which is quite a reach in any forum for debate.


I'm not going to get into why the song isn't viewed AS immoral as the content in the video, but it does contain immoral references. By this same logic I could twist your words to assume that you only feel abuse towards women is "taboo" and not immoral.

You seem like a smart person. I think you know it's dangerous to place ethical/moral labels on what a culture may view as art or entertainment without considering context. And I emphasize context. If the OP did anything it was clearly articulate his point. There is no need for me to twist his statement. When I hear Bob Dylan's Tambourin Man, I hear a great song. You on the other hand may say well it's immoral because it advocates drug use. Do you see the chasm? Some people may hear Jump Around and they hear a catchy tune, and consider its content entertainmentt. Using the song in a comparative sense to the issue was a straw man and flawed from the beginning.
 
On another note I found it Ironic that OUSPE web site states that "Sigma Phi Epsilon accepts men from all walks of life, without regard to race, religion, creed, or sexual orientation. SigEp is not affiliate with Sigma Alpha Epsilon (SAE). lol

Other Frats are running for the hills
 
Originally posted by CTOkie:
This event has already cost OU one of its 2016 commitments in Jean Delance and Coach Stoops joined his team in condemning this behavior as it could damage OU's recruiting.
But the football aspect of this extends far beyond just the team....this is a bad reflection on the university and the state of Oklahoma. It also gives the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and their ilk more ammunition to keep the racial unrest going so they can profit from it.
Boren had no choice in closing the fraternity immediately.....it was not the politically correct thing to do....it was the right thing to do. Now OU has some major "fence mending" ahead.
That kid was half way out the door when he stepped on campus this weekend. This is just convenient timing for him
 
Originally posted by CTOkie:
This event has already cost OU one of its 2016 commitments in Jean Delance and Coach Stoops joined his team in condemning this behavior as it could damage OU's recruiting.
But the football aspect of this extends far beyond just the team....this is a bad reflection on the university and the state of Oklahoma. It also gives the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and their ilk more ammunition to keep the racial unrest going so they can profit from it.
Boren had no choice in closing the fraternity immediately.....it was not the politically correct thing to do....it was the right thing to do. Now OU has some major "fence mending" ahead.
It's bad for college football as a whole. This week it's OU, but you needn't dig very deep before you start finding skeletons under most schools in the South. It'll be interesting to see if Pac 12 and Big 10 schools start using this against Big12 or SEC schools.
 
IMHO,I think this is a shining moment for OU. I'm very impressed by the reaction of the OU student body and administration. If I am a football player I have zero qualms about attending OU, unless of course that player is also being recruited by Miami. Not to get off topic, but I saw a post about you guys losing a recruit. Don't worry about stuff like that because your administration and athletic programs have done more than enough to show this does not represent their institution. Kudos on that front.
 
Originally posted by TexShoe:
Originally posted by CTOkie:
This event has already cost OU one of its 2016 commitments in Jean Delance and Coach Stoops joined his team in condemning this behavior as it could damage OU's recruiting.
But the football aspect of this extends far beyond just the team....this is a bad reflection on the university and the state of Oklahoma. It also gives the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and their ilk more ammunition to keep the racial unrest going so they can profit from it.
Boren had no choice in closing the fraternity immediately.....it was not the politically correct thing to do....it was the right thing to do. Now OU has some major "fence mending" ahead.
It's bad for college football as a whole. This week it's OU, but you needn't dig very deep before you start finding skeletons under most schools in the South. It'll be interesting to see if Pac 12 and Big 10 schools start using this against Big12 or SEC schools.
Very true.....and let's remember it was Texas who integrated their football team 14 years after OU recruited Wallace Johnson and Prentice Gautt in 1956. I would have expected more from the liberal "Mecca" of Texas. Texas, like so many other schools in the South, have their share of tainted racial pasts.
 
Originally posted by Section22Sooner:
Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:
... but please explain how you feel the behavior of the fraternity is not embarassing to those who support OU.
You're imagining things. Can you not see in the title of this thread where I say that "I understand why you're upset"? My point is regarding the double standard. There is no line in the sand. It moves depending on who says it. But songs about slapping ho and calling law enforcement "pigs" and killing people is OK on campus. Why? What makes it acceptable?

To Drewcristo, stay classy.
22, I read your title and didn't jump to the conclusion some did. I didn't read your post as taking the offenders side. I recognizerd the point you were trying to make. I am also aware of your profession and that causes me to understand why you might have made the post..

Here is what I think. I think there are some who will come here and try to take political advantage of this as a way to hit Oklahomans and this University from a negative racial standpoint. If there is anyone posting on this thread from another state or another school you better check your own history before you brand this state or this school with anything negative from a racial standpoint. This could have happened about anywhere in this country or elsewhere.

22, I know you well enough to know that I don't have to defend you as you are capable of doing it yourself.

What I will say is that a couple of years ago, I was so offended by some of the rap crap that OU played pre-game and during the games inside Oklahoma Memorial Stadium that I called Joe Castigilione and personally complained to him. The "Ho" talk and the "kill cops" rhetoric simply don't belong at OU Memorial Stadium, period. That is the other side of this issue. Some of the people who were so enraged by this video will condone the rap crap racial talk. That is a double standard and what some of these people here are going to defend.

Personally, I am appalled that there are people on OU's campus that think like this, but I am also realistic to know they are there. I also know they are in Austin and on the Texas University Campus. They are in LA and on the USC campus as well. They are on every campus in this country.

There is no way that I or any of my OU friends that condone this kind of behavior. My guess is that this is just a very small group of idiot students. I am positive that David Boren is going to use this incident as an opportunity to clean house and take some very serious steps to ensure that everything is done to make sure this isn't repeated. Boren nor any of the people posting or talking about this issue can change these folks attitudes, but we can damn well make sure they aren't welcome or allowed on this campus.

I know David Boren, personally. I also know I don't have to call him and tell him to do something. I know he is busy right at this moment working to do his best to rectify this situation and taking steps to see that it doesn't occur in the future.
 
I can't believe this thread continues to drum up support in its premise that the SAE chant should share the same fate as a Top 100 90s song. It's absolutely undeniably mind-blowing that anyone could even incubate such a connection.

You all sound like a bunch of backwards-thinking knuckleheads and are doing nothing but shaming the image of the school and state further.

You are not Sooners or Sooner fans.
 
Originally posted by JConXtsy:
I can't believe this thread continues to drum up support in its premise that the SAE chant should share the same fate as a Top 100 90s song. It's absolutely undeniably mind-blowing that anyone could even incubate such a connection.

You all sound like a bunch of backwards-thinking knuckleheads and are doing nothing but shaming the image of the school and state further.

You are not Sooners or Sooner fans.
This. It's unbelievable & shameful.
 
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