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Not that either team deserves it...

Plainosooner said:
It sure would have helped TCU or Baylor. I was not in favor of a CCG, but I see the reasoning on the other side. And the coaches and administrators seemed to favor it. Can you imagine OU and Texas in Jerry World in December? That might cost a penny or two.

I like Bob's approach the best. He says that he lets others make that decision. He just wants to know what the rules are, before we start. That seems fair to me.

But we're talking two different subjects. You're advocating for a playoff where Western Michigan gets in at 13-0 with their best two wins over the two Big Ten schools from Illinois, whose combined W-L record was 9-15. Northwestern got better as the season went along, but the week after they lost to WMU, the Wildcats lost to Illinois State. Do they deserve more consideration than Wisconsin? USC? Either would kill them. They beat Ohio University by six in their CCG. If Ohio beat them, should they play for a national title.

There are logistical issues here. Should Louisiana Tech have gotten in had they beaten Western Kentucky? Again? They did in the regular season. La Tech had losses to Texas Tech, Middle Tennessee and Southern Miss. You can keep expanding the playoffs, and making the regular season less and less relevant, which are the only games most commoners like me, can afford.

I promise that the more levels of playoffs you add, the more diluted the regular season will be. I'd bet the SEC would eliminate all but one cross division game on their schedules.
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I'm not so much advocating that Western Michigan absolutely deserved to be included, but just adding that to the mix as to where the line is drawn on non-power 5 programs in their chances to get into the playoff. We've seen it a couple of times in the past where games like that didn't turn out like some expected. OU-Boise St being one, and Wisconsin-TCU being another. Maybe there are others I can't think of right now.
Western Michigan did their part all season. They were never defeated and won their conference. At what point can a team like that be taken over a power 5 school? Already 2-loss teams were on the bubble of making the playoff, while a 13-0 Western Michigan wasn't given a prayer.

But you're right on the money in saying that the larger you make the playoffs the less the regular season means. And I don't want to lose the feeling of importance you get with each weeks game during the regular season. That's one reason I guess I never really got into the NFL. Losing a game isn't a huge deal unless you start to lose too many of them.
 
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BillyRay said:
The Big XII going to a CCG under its current round robin setup is not the best scenario....it's a joke. You are seriously going to take the stance that OU and OSU playing each other again, two weeks in a row would be a best scenario?? Because that's exactly what would have happened this year had the Big XII had a CCG this year.
Sorry but I'm not a fan of playing a rematch of a regular season game that really only gives the opportunity for teams to suffer more injuries.
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AMEN!!!!!
 
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The CCG is about staying on the radar. We have gotten clever by sneaking in an extra bye week in the latter part of the season, but being idle allowed Colorado to jump us in the rankings Saturday before last.

My only issue is losing to a team we've already beat, but it has become a necessary roll of the dice.
 
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bcsoonerfan said:
My only issue is losing to a team we've already beat, but it has become a necessary roll of the dice.
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Ya maybe. I don't doubt there will be times the stars and planets align and it ends up giving the Big XII that slight bump it needs to get a team in.

2014 it could have helped Baylor or TCU. But even then, what team do you think was deserving of being bumped out by a TCU or Baylor that year?? There was an undefeated FSU, and 5 one-loss teams. Somebody was gonna get screwed, so it was a couple of "non-blue blood" programs that got the shaft.

Last year OU didn't need it, and having to play a CCG rematch only stood to hurt OU.

This year it's very doubtful it would have made any difference whatsoever.
 
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bcsoonerfan said:
The CCG is about staying on the radar. We have gotten clever by sneaking in an extra bye week in the latter part of the season, but being idle allowed Colorado to jump us in the rankings Saturday before last.

My only issue is losing to a team we've already beat, but it has become a necessary roll of the dice.
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What about the opposite of that. If OU is the second place team, after losing a tough road game to the first place team, then a CCG allowing for a game on a neutral site has some merit. And who is the best team, might be more reliably found out, by playing on a neutral site, at the end of the year.
 
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Plainosooner said:
What about the opposite of that. If OU is the second place team, after losing a tough road game to the first place team, then a CCG allowing for a game on a neutral site has some merit. And who is the beat team, might be more reliably found out, by playing on a neutral site, at the end of the year.
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If OU has the best staff in the country, you would have to admit they should be on the opposite end of this picture you are trying to paint here.....
 
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Plainosooner said:
What about the opposite of that. If OU is the second place team, after losing a tough road game to the first place team, then a CCG allowing for a game on a neutral site has some merit. And who is the beat team, might be more reliably found out, by playing on a neutral site, at the end of the year.
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Not like OU has never faced an opponent twice in the same year... it's like Bob said, you just have to win... and what if texASS and OU are both playing for it with 11-1 records? Does the latter neutral site game trump the first? What if OU is 12-0 but ends up 12-1 to a now 12-1 texASS? Maybe both need to play 3 games?
 
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BillyRay said:
If OU has the best staff in the country, you would have to admit they should be on the opposite end of this picture you are trying to paint here.....
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Billy, we can go back and forth on this forever. OU has the least deep home state recruiting base of any elite school in the country. Until high school football in Oklahoma improves drastically, OU is at a personnel disadvantage compared to any other annual top 25 school. Your example doesn't hold much truth in it.

Texas has a huge advantage and Bob overcomes that in the conference close to two thirds of the time. A&M did too, and he had a similar record against them.
 
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Plainosooner said:
Billy, we can go back and forth on this forever. OU has the least deep home state recruiting base of any elite school in the country. Until high school football in Oklahoma improves drastically, OU is at a personnel disadvantage compared to any other annual top 25 school. Your example doesn't hold much truth in it.

Texas has a huge advantage and Bob overcomes that in the conference close to two thirds of the time. A&M did too, and he had a similar record against them.
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Your response has zero to do with the point made with my post.

But to touch on your post, it's Bob's fault he allowed his staff to become dead weight and suck in recruiting for some years. The only personnel disadvantage Bob had was his coaches were sucking it up in recruiting effort. He replaced them, and now look at recruiting. It's not like OUs home state talent pool exploded overnight. It's cuz he hired new coaches and has actually put an emphasis on recruiting again. He no longer treats recruiting like punching a 40hr/wk paycard and calling it good.
 
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Plainosooner said:
Billy, we can go back and forth on this forever. OU has the least deep home state recruiting base of any elite school in the country. Until high school football in Oklahoma improves drastically, OU is at a personnel disadvantage compared to any other annual top 25 school. Your example doesn't hold much truth in it.

Texas has a huge advantage and Bob overcomes that in the conference close to two thirds of the time. A&M did too, and he had a similar record against them.
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I'd like to see what facts you base this on. Shall I provide mine, yet AGAIN?

Oh, but you don't respond to those, you just go absent...
 
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bcsoonerfan said:
I was always the first one to admit being a dick in the past but things have changed.
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I'm always a Prick... ask Plaino...

So now you no longer admit it, or no longer are one?

This topic started out about the aOm/OU winner being screwed... And that the CFP is as bad as the BCS...

It turned into a CCG thread, amongst other things.

Billy Ray asked a question, and it was answered with the same b.s. rhetoric that has been passed off as fact for years by Plaino. SHOW ME. PROVE IT. I've presented the facts about this several times. What he claims is NOT true. Just like the claims of OU having the best coaches aren't, which is why some are too scared to show their keyboard prowess anymore...
 
PtLavacaSooner said:
I'm always a Prick... ask Plaino...

So now you no longer admit it, or no longer are one?

This topic started out about the aOm/OU winner being screwed... And that the CFP is as bad as the BCS...

It turned into a CCG thread, amongst other things.

Billy Ray asked a question, and it was answered with the same b.s. rhetoric that has been passed off as fact for years by Plaino. SHOW ME. PROVE IT. I've presented the facts about this several times. What he claims is NOT true. Just like the claims of OU having the best coaches aren't, which is why some are too scared to show their keyboard prowess anymore...
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There was a reasonable conversation taking place and Billy had to sneak in his little jab. End of point. Plaino believing we have the best staff was irrelevant.

To my knowledge, everybody else has cut the shit. Plaino is a good poster but he's the only one left that can't chime in without the likes of Billy and CT clinging to bullshit.
 
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bcsoonerfan said:
There was a reasonable conversation taking place and Billy had to sneak in his little jab. End of point. Plaino believing we have the best staff was irrelevant.

To my knowledge, everybody else has cut the shit. Plaino is a good poster but he's the only one left that can't chime in without the likes of Billy and CT clinging to bullshit.
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Aww... Well doesn't that suck?
 
bcsoonerfan said:
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Are you incapable of staying on topic or do you have to throw petty jabs every chance you get?
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My post was certainly on topic. It was using previous statements made on this board to contradict the point the poster I was engaged in conversation with was trying to make. If OU does in fact have the best staff in the country, then OU should be more concerned with a system that doesn't threaten OU leading the conference at the end of the regular season. If OU does not have the best staff, then yes a system that allows OU to make up losses during the regular season would be something of benefit.
 
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BillyRay said:
My post was certainly on topic. It was using previous statements made on this board to contradict the point the poster I was engaged in conversation with was trying to make. If OU does in fact have the best staff in the country, then OU should be more concerned with a system that doesn't threaten OU leading the conference at the end of the regular season. If OU does not have the best staff, then yes a system that allows OU to make up losses during the regular season would be something of benefit.
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The system can help or hurt. Having the best staff or not doesn't mean we'll never lose.
 
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bcsoonerfan said:
The system can help or hurt. Having the best staff or not doesn't mean we'll never lose.
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No, but if OU has the best staff, then that would mean more often than not, OU should have the advantage at the end of the year, and thus having to play a rematch more often than not would simply be having to beat a team again they defeated in the regular season. In that case, OU would stand to have more to lose, than to gain.

But trying to argue the validity of the CCG the other way, would tend to lend credence that OU would more often than not, need that game to avenge a loss to that team during the regular season, and as such would tend to undermine the belief that OU has the best staff in the country.

Now I understand this is a very deep way of dissecting this. On the surface it can appear to be "off-topic" or "petty jabs". And I know year-to-year anomalies can happen. But I'm looking at long-term percentages here.
 
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