Mizzou

[Section22Sooner]

I can't quite decipher what Pinkel means when he says that his team is united, but if there are a handful of players who are not united, it goes like this.

You boycott your team.
You don't show up to meetings, practices and games. That is a universal violation of team rules.
You get suspended.
If that doesn't fix the problem, you lose your scholarship and off you go.

If Pinkel supports the boycott, he needs to go. It's that simple.

 

[Plainosooner]

Rock and hard place. If all of the African American players are buying into the leadership of a non football related activist group, then he has a major major problem.

I know it was a different time, but I coached a little with a guy who played at Wyoming in the late 60s when the African American players did something similar his senior year. Their coach dismissed them from the team and it changed his senior year, the coach's career and Wyoming football for a long time.

I've attached an article about it. But one of the black athletes that had left the program was a stud player who ended up playing for the Dallas Cowboys, and was a head coach in the same league we were coaching in. This was 30 years later and the guy was still angry at those guys who in his view, wrecked his senior year.

And let's be realistic. Wyoming could still field a team missing what came to be known as Wyoming 14. Mizzou couldn't possibly do that. By the same token, the university has a very difficult task ahead. If they let a group with a pretty extreme agenda, dictate to them who they have to fire or hire, then a precedent is set that is a big big future problem.

I know NOTHING, zero about the specifics that are being complained about here. I don't know what the justification is or not. But whoever you are, dictating to the university what they MUST do, or have players on scholarship across the athletic spectrum refuse to play, wrecking whole teams in the process, is in my view wrong.

A very difficult week ahead, and month ahead for Mizzou. It could have long term ramifications.

I'd encourage anyone to read the attached article. Wyoming football really never recovered. Rash decisions are not a good idea.

http://www.wyohistory.org/essays/black-14-race-politics-religion-and-wyoming-football

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Yep, I was reading about that...what a cluster fudge.

I'm of the mindset that you don't issue ultimatums that adversely affect a bunch of innocents, team members in this case...period.
All the team goals and aspirations down the drain?
Regardless of how these fellows feel they've been wronged, this isn't the prudent way to resolve the issue.

Yes, give them 24 hours to start toeing the line. Then start pulling schollys.

The tail can never wag the dog. Ever.
But that's just me.

Kind of antiquated/old school about law and order.

 

[PtLavacaSooner]

The reason a dog has so many friends? Because he wags his tail instead of his tongue.

 

[Plainosooner]

A story online today said that Pinkel supports his players totally. That might get interesting by Thursday if the President isn't forced to leave.

And from what I've read about the complained about behavior, there wasn't a lot the administration could do about it. One was a feces created swastika the source of which was unknown.

The other was some people driving by campus screaming racial epithets at black students. Neither of these are admirable traits. But I'm not sure what the administration could do about the behavior.

 

[sybarite]

The information is still somewhat lacking from the stories that I have seen. But, I think that if the president had taken the same type of action that Boren took, there would be no problem. I have seen nothing to indicate that he has even met with any of the accusers. Apparently, there were several incidents. It should be clarified that this involves 34 football players, but it also is supported by all black athletes at Missouri. It is also supported, from what I have read, by the white football players at Missouri. So, this isn't simply a few people that you can dismiss. It might be a serious problem for all Missouri sports, and it will be a serious image problem for Missouri. Recruiting to Missouri should be interesting if they start ignoring black athletes.

 

[Gramps]

I can't quite decipher what Pinkel means when he says that his team is united, but if there are a handful of players who are not united, it goes like this.

You boycott your team.
You don't show up to meetings, practices and games. That is a universal violation of team rules.
You get suspended.
If that doesn't fix the problem, you lose your scholarship and off you go.

If Pinkel supports the boycott, he needs to go. It's that simple.

Kick them out of school. They r there on a scholarship. They r there to get a degree & play football.

 

[rkhufu7]

Millennial foolish protest. Now changed to when hunger quest ends.

 

[soonerfastnloud]

Kick them out of school. They r there on a scholarship. They r there to get a degree & play football.

No I disagree, unless you are there and black you don't know their situation. This is going to be a rough decision for the school.

 

[pfka_ms]

“As much as we want to say everyone is united, half the team and coaches — black and white — are pissed,” the player, who wished to remain anonymous, told ESPN. “If we were 9-0, this wouldn’t be happening.

”http://espn.go.com/college-football...-player-says-team-not-united-practice-boycott

 

[Oklabama]

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Rock and hard place.

I'd encourage anyone to read the attached article. Wyoming football really never recovered. Rash decisions are not a good idea.

http://www.wyohistory.org/essays/black-14-race-politics-religion-and-wyoming-football

Plaino....you nailed it. Rock and hard place!! Very interesting article. Thanks for sharing. Wouldn't surprise me if there aren't more of these situations in the future. I think our country's headed in the wrong direction and there isn't a lot that can be done to stop it, unfortunately.

 

[Gramps]

No I disagree, unless you are there and black you don't know their situation. This is going to be a rough decision for the school.

It's not only blacks. Its white red yellow people that are being treated wrong. This is getting out of had in the USA. R the colleges going to let the students &players run the school?

 

[Soonersincefitty]

A story online today said that Pinkel supports his players totally. That might get interesting by Thursday if the President isn't forced to leave.

And from what I've read about the complained about behavior, there wasn't a lot the administration could do about it. One was a feces created swastika the source of which was unknown.

The other was some people driving by campus screaming racial epithets at black students. Neither of these are admirable traits. But I'm not sure what the administration could do about the behavior.

From the (unbiased) reports I've seen, this alumni President has done everything reasonable and prudent to resolve this, starting this past spring.
Good gosh, what's a guy to do?

Hunger strike? Seriously?

 

[Soonersincefitty]

From the (unbiased) reports I've seen, this alumni President has done everything reasonable and prudent to resolve this, starting this past spring.
Good gosh, what's a guy to do?

Hunger strike? Seriously?

OK, this just in...Tim Wolfe just resigned his gig as Prez.

Now, get over to that athletic dining hall and eat some cheeseburgers.

 

[Gramps]

OK, this just in...Tim Wolfe just resigned his gig as Prez.

Now, get over to that athletic dining hall and eat some cheeseburgers.

I guess the coach has more pull than the pres.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

I guess the coach has more pull than the pres.

Oh yeah, it's 90% the money factor.

The football program is a huge profit generator.

The President is just rote overhead, and quite expendable.

 

[Got Rings?]

I thought the Missouri football team has been boycotting this season already?

I bet the President got paid a really good bonus to just leave.

 

[Section22Sooner]

If this kind of race-based shakedown coercion bullshit spreads, I'm done with college sports. Period. Sports, especially college sports is supposed to be color-blind. But there is that element of society that just wants to f everything up while the grievance industry rakes in the cash. It is absolute BS.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

If this kind of race-based shakedown coercion bullshit spreads, I'm done with college sports. Period. Sports, especially college sports is supposed to be color-blind. But there is that element of society that just wants to f everything up while the grievance industry rakes in the cash. It is absolute BS.

I hear that.
There are limits to what we should have to put up with.

They almost lost my fandom with that insipid Unionizing of college players. Geez...where does the madness end?

 

[barkingwater2000]

I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea that a group of students can protest and get someone fired. What were they protesting about anyway?

 

[Oklabama]

It would be interesting to know what the group thought Wolfe didn't do that they think he should have done. Wolfe would have to be an idiot to have blown it off especially if the accusers had identified anyone. Probably more to this story that will come out later. Regardless, now we're going to see more power plays like this occur. Not good!

 

[Soonersincefitty]

It would be interesting to know what the group thought Wolfe didn't do that they think he should have done. Wolfe would have to be an idiot to have blown it off especially if the accusers had identified anyone. Probably more to this story that will come out later. Regardless, now we're going to see more power plays like this occur. Not good!

Yeah, this is just a bad precedent to be set. Sadly you're right.
There will be others.

 

[humblesooner]

From what little I have read and heard on the radio, I think it is all about what Wolf DIDN'T do. Apparently, there have been several incidents that have happened and Wolf hasn't done anything.
Even if there wasn't really anything that he could do about any of the specific occurrences, from what I am hearing, he has never addressed them. Not even to say, "I sympathize, but I don't know what can be done to stop these isolated incidents".

 

[veritas59]

If this kind of race-based shakedown coercion bullshit spreads, I'm done with college sports. Period. Sports, especially college sports is supposed to be color-blind. But there is that element of society that just wants to f everything up while the grievance industry rakes in the cash. It is absolute BS.

I'm getting really close to that place already. Check out the "curriculum" of the professor that CNN spoke to this morning.

https://english.missouri.edu/graduate-and-doctoral-faculty/156-elisa-glick.html

 

[Plainosooner]

If this kind of race-based shakedown coercion bullshit spreads, I'm done with college sports. Period. Sports, especially college sports is supposed to be color-blind. But there is that element of society that just wants to f everything up while the grievance industry rakes in the cash. It is absolute BS.

I believe you could make the case that the b.s. started at OU last spring.

This will not stop. Since this coersion was successful, the practice will spread like late summer grass fire.

 

[CalSooner]

believe you could make the case that the b.s. started at OU last spring.

This will not stop. Since this coersion was successful, the practice will spread like late summer grass fire.

This is not about justice .... it's about power.

But ...... just my thoughts ..... modern universities have created this kind of student, so they are now reaping the harvest they have planted.

 

[barkingwater2000]

I would cringe if my child had to take a class from this person. Just another reason to go the private school route

 

[sybarite]

Before forming an opinion, it might be valuable to consider a little bit larger picture of what inspired this.

Indeed, there have been racist incidents that have been ignored by the university and officials representing the university. A lot of this might have been handled by simply responding to some of these. But, this is actually somewhat of a confrontation of political philosophies.

The chancellor and president were involved in an austerity program which reduced student and faculty benefits, some of which had to do with Planned Parenthood funding of parts of the infirmary. But, there were cuts to parts of the student's medical program, raising insurance rates, etc. This affected different students to a different amount. The hunger strike that was at the center of this was concerned with these as well as racism.

It has not been mentioned by most stories that the students and faculty of the university had been protesting for some time. They had been ignored. There were also cuts in academic programs. Curiously, there was something like an $80 million dollar building contract for the stadium. So, we had selective austerity.

Now, the black athletes get involved. But, it was more than just football players. It was all black athletes, and they had the support of their white colleagues and the coaches. So, it's everyone against the president.

But, what happened is very revealing. Athletes who would have been ignored and expelled as students, were effective. If you pull the scholarships on black athletes, good luck on maintaining a sports program. Missouri was now facing the destruction of its sports future. Whereas reason and academics might have been the things that would negotiate with the president, it was the sports dollar that buried him. Probably, those who favored the austerity program did not want the football program destroyed. Irony?

Yes. It is a precedent. Yes, it is a misplaced importance. But, who exactly caused this to have that much power? The toys just seized control.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Yeah, I shudder to ponder that this is the 'new think'.
That is the preposterous notion that simply because you can impose your self serving will on anyone with the leverage of nothing less noble than monetary extortion, doesn't necessarily give you the moral high ground. Quite the contrary.

This premise is disgusting and I really hope someone with a pair will stand up and say so. I don't care what color you are. Just do it.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

I think you meant insurance rates. Sorry if I'm wrong.

Funny thing about the hunger-strike "victim" of austerity. This is his SEVENTH year at Mizzou. Poor guy. Looks like his biggest fear is having to make it in the private sector.

Seventh year? That's insane.

A blind, deaf, dumb gal graduated from Radcliffe, female extension of Harvard in four years...I think her name was Keller?
Helen Keller?

Just saying...

 

[Josh_M]

Leave your politics at home guys.

 

[iasooner1]

Nevermind...

 

[Plainosooner]

This is EXACTLY what I was talking about. These guys just used Mizzou.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/missou...-join-in-the-fight-for-justice-005024076.html

 

[Section22Sooner]

This is EXACTLY what I was talking about. These guys just used Mizzou.

They better be careful. If they piss off the donors and the fans... yes... big changes will come to college sports. Very big changes.

 

[Oklabama]

This is EXACTLY what I was talking about. These guys just used Mizzou.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/missou...-join-in-the-fight-for-justice-005024076.html

"Coming to a college campus near you". Basketball is next. Less players to recruit, but the idea that volleyball, soccer, and other sports teams will get the same results is very doubtful. "Hey, coach.....we golfers are protesting and refuse to play our golf match next week". I can't believe I've lived to see this and it's just the beginning.

 

[Section22Sooner]

Leave your politics at home guys.

The NCAA and the networks don't have the nads to make a statement like this. They're being hijacked right before our eyes.

 

[Section22Sooner]

Mizzou paying a price.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...ge-in-freshmen-massive-budget-deficits-030916

 

[JConXtsy]

What a bum deal for that university. The power of knee jerk reactions.

 

[Plainosooner]

I wondered about that. But the 1500 lowering of the student census doesn't cause that many millions of dollars in lost revenue. That comes from very peeved donors. I don't blame them.

 

[JConXtsy]

Average Tuition per Year at Missouri
Resident - $11k
Non-Resident - $25k
Residents = 68%
Non-Residents = 32%

1500 * 0.68 = 1020 Lost Residents
1500 * 0.32 = 480 Lost Non-Residents

(1020 * $11k) + (480 * $25k) = $11.2M + $12M = $23.2M lost tuition