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And that's the philosophical difference, I believe the student and education comes first.
 
Online learning is quickly surpassing the abilities of classroom learning in relations to theory and application. The advantage traditional college has and will always maintain is the education of life and networking. If you're sending someone to college with the confines of expanded rules, then what's the difference from high school?

Keeping students out of trouble, or at least reducing the potential of trouble, is very much about putting the student and education first.
There is no debate here unless one is pulled out of the air.

No thin air swatting here. Just taking into account all that has been said.
I posted what I believe is the true education from college attendance that cannot be acquired elsewhere, then I continued to implicitly reference such definition.
 
No thin air swatting here. Just taking into account all that has been said.
I posted what I believe is the true education from college attendance that cannot be acquired elsewhere, then I continued to implicitly reference such definition.
What have I said the diminishes putting the student and education FIRST ?
A high profile college athlete, playing every week in front of 85,000 people in a stadium and millions more on television, whose talent generates revenue for the university, is....fairly or unfairly held under a microscope by fans, the media and the coaches. He represents his school and the program....and himself.
But maybe, as a first year freshman in his first semester, away from home and with lots of expectations put upon him, he can be tempted to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and/or be around the wrong people. If implementing a curfew, say at midnight, can remove or diminish potential trouble, then that's looking out for the kid.....and that is very much about putting the kid and his education first.
 
It's OK. I post from my phone, and I'm not motivated enough to draw out a chart which explains the progression of the conversation and help you follow the context.
 
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It's OK. I post from my phone, and I'm not motivated enough to draw out a chart which explains the progression of the conversation and help you follow the context.

Will this gif work instead of a chart? ;)

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But maybe, as a first year freshman in his first semester, away from home and with lots of expectations put upon him, he can be tempted to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and/or be around the wrong people. If implementing a curfew, say at midnight, can remove or diminish potential trouble, then that's looking out for the kid.....and that is very much about putting the kid and his education first.
I understand what you are saying CT in thinking implementing a curfew can help head off future issues. But I'm not a big fan of putting a restriction on the vast majority that stay out of trouble because of the actions of a very small number of athletes that make boneheaded decisions. But that's just me. I can certainly see the point you are trying to make as well.
 
It's OK. I post from my phone, and I'm not motivated enough to draw out a chart which explains the progression of the conversation and help you follow the context.
Other than Mixon, how many Freshman players have got in trouble their 1st semester?
No way of knowing....but in Mixon's case, it is one too many when one considers the repercussions that have resulted.
How much never gets reported ?
Athletes who play like adults and act like children and who have been treated like celebrities since the 9th grade...some of whom (not many) are not really good citizens, much less students...can be a problem.
How is letting incoming freshman know ahead of time and during their first semester that there is a code of conduct in place and a pecking order a bad idea ? Seems that applying something like a curfew for the first semester on campus could go a long way in keeping a kid free from mischief and making him focus on being a student getting an education....something he may not have experienced before.
 
Other than Mixon, how many Freshman players have got in trouble their 1st semester?

None that we know of. Which is a good point. Shit happens. It was a bad thing no doubt. But prior to the punch and after the punch, Mixon was a good kid, and has proven to be a good kid. He made a kid mistake. It cost her a lot and it's cost him a lot. If they wish to sue for settlement, let'em go at it.
 
But maybe, as a first year freshman in his first semester, away from home and with lots of expectations put upon him, he can be tempted to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and/or be around the wrong people. If implementing a curfew, say at midnight, can remove or diminish potential trouble, then that's looking out for the kid.....and that is very much about putting the kid and his education first.

That curfew would need to be a 24 hour lock down. I can assure you that folks get into trouble at all hours of the day. The athlete needs to be accountable. If they screw up, they have to expect the repercussions. How the coaches and administration decide to handle it is their problem to get right or wrong. Handling the players like children won't stop them from bad behavior if they are looking to be bad.
 
I think the curfew thing is moot. The fact is, the Coaches are required to be responsible for the players but actually at certain times of the year can not follow up on the progress, weight room, etc. It's pure silliness to place curfew on the entire freshman class when it's rare that any get in trouble. Should Perrine be on a curfew because of Mixon's actions? No. Not even. To do this is poor leadership. It may be the easy way out, but it's bad leadership and shows a lack of trust. This incident has not hurt the image of OU and/or Bob Stoops. If anything it shows a level of responsibility that the admins & HC took direct, meaningful action that has worked. Penalties were put in place and met. In fact, ESPN just completed a survey amongst fellow B12 & SEC coaches on who they would like to see their own kid coached under. Bob Stoops scored the highest nods.

Let the two kids sue each other for closure and resolution. And let both of them move on with their lives.
 
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