Oops, looks like Saint Strong may have fumbled this one. When you make a public spectacle of your "core value," you might want to make sure you and yours are practicing what was preached.
Recruits not happy
Recruits not happy
Longhorn DL coach to Florida, recruits not happy
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You are assuming of course that he knew Rumph was leaving. Those in the know say he didn't find out until after the SI article came out.
LOL, Love it.
Great lesson to be learned here for all recruits and players. "Do as I say, not as I do." When you're going to have a standard posted, displayed, and then have it promoted via media, you have to walk that line. It looks like Strong has some kissing and making up to do. And yet we have Stoops, who never displays his core values but by his actions which is better than scribble on a board. Stoops doesn't flaunt his core values, but clearly has them, and moreso than Strong anyway.
Great lesson to be learned here for all recruits and players. "Do as I say, not as I do." When you're going to have a standard posted, displayed, and then have it promoted via media, you have to walk that line. It looks like Strong has some kissing and making up to do. And yet we have Stoops, who never displays his core values but by his actions which is better than scribble on a board. Stoops doesn't flaunt his core values, but clearly has them, and moreso than Strong anyway.
That's a pretty good spin job pfka, but I'm not buying it. Things happened right after NSD at a pace that leaves me no doubt that Strong knew and was a player in how it went down. I can't blame him for wanting to minimize the chances of recruits flipping, but it's still slimy as hell.
Nailed it WNAS. I'm also still waiting on some of those glue eaters on OB to realize they hired the WR coach responsible for bringing the "wife beater" Dorial Green-Beckham to OU.
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Nailed it WNAS. I'm also still waiting on some of those glue eaters on OB to realize they hired the WR coach responsible for bringing the "wife beater" Dorial Green-Beckham to OU.
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Pull your head out of the sand and read something besides this board. Of course some of what you read won't go with your conspiracy theory so you won't go there.
Kids that commit to a coach should no better. He signed up for the University of texas, not the University of Rumph. Lampkin was raising hell on Twitter but seemed to forget he stiffed OU before committing to Texas. By the way, those recruits have settled down now after the initial shock wore off.
Houston, TX
Already know coach strong gone hire someone thats can coach and push me! Cant wait to meet him
O, so you're good w/ your Coach preaching honesty and then deceiving recruits. I personally don't give a hoot, but when something is as wrong as this, I speak to it. I've done it against OU coaches and unlike you, I'll do it against Strong and his so called core crap. You know better than what you're posting right now.Originally posted by pfka_ms:
Pull your head out of the sand and read something besides this board. Of course some of what you read won't go with your conspiracy theory so you won't go there.
Kids that commit to a coach should no better. He signed up for the University of texas, not the University of Rumph. Lampkin was raising hell on Twitter but seemed to forget he stiffed OU before committing to Texas. By the way, those recruits have settled down now after the initial shock wore off.
Houston, TX
Already know coach strong gone hire someone thats can coach and push me! Cant wait to meet him
Ummm....didn't we just hire two coaches the day after signing day ourselves?
It's kind of hypocritical to make fun of others for something we just participated in.
It's kind of hypocritical to make fun of others for something we just participated in.
It happens, but it happened to UT so feel free to pile on. I always thing the truth is somewhere in the middle on stuff like this but this will be the 3rd job for this guy in 3 years.
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Let's just say Strong was pissed about Rumph. Coach was the last one to know and was shocked it was true per source. #HookEm
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Strong said he'll never stand in way of staff member's ascension. Heard he was pissed about Rumph at first, tho-Lateral move not a promotion
12:53 PM - 6 Feb 2015
Report: Charlie Strong Is "Pissed" Texas DL Coach Chris Rumph Left For Florida
Andrew Holleran
Chris Rumph officially left Texas for Florida Friday afternoon, as the Gators hired the former Longhorns' defensive line coach to the same position. Multiple Texas recruits are not happy with the news.
Charlie Strong reportedly isn't too pleased, either.
According to Alex Dunlap, who covers Texas for Orangebloods.com, Strong was one of the last members of the Longhorns' program to be told Rumph was leaving. He's "pissed," Dunlap says.
The move reunites Rumph with Jim McElwain, whom he coached with at Alabama in 2011.
Rumph reportedy made $415K at Texas this past season. His salary at Florida has yet to be revealed, but it's likely to be higher than what he made with the Longhorns.
http://collegespun.com/big-12/texas-big-12/report-charlie-strong-is-pissed-texas-dl-coach-chris-rumph-left-for-florida
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Let's just say Strong was pissed about Rumph. Coach was the last one to know and was shocked it was true per source. #HookEm
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Strong said he'll never stand in way of staff member's ascension. Heard he was pissed about Rumph at first, tho-Lateral move not a promotion
12:53 PM - 6 Feb 2015
Report: Charlie Strong Is "Pissed" Texas DL Coach Chris Rumph Left For Florida
Andrew Holleran
Chris Rumph officially left Texas for Florida Friday afternoon, as the Gators hired the former Longhorns' defensive line coach to the same position. Multiple Texas recruits are not happy with the news.
Charlie Strong reportedly isn't too pleased, either.
According to Alex Dunlap, who covers Texas for Orangebloods.com, Strong was one of the last members of the Longhorns' program to be told Rumph was leaving. He's "pissed," Dunlap says.
The move reunites Rumph with Jim McElwain, whom he coached with at Alabama in 2011.
Rumph reportedy made $415K at Texas this past season. His salary at Florida has yet to be revealed, but it's likely to be higher than what he made with the Longhorns.
http://collegespun.com/big-12/texas-big-12/report-charlie-strong-is-pissed-texas-dl-coach-chris-rumph-left-for-florida
Yes.... but..... Wrong.
The coaches that OU hired filled vacancies that existed before NSD.
Now here come the UT spin... Strong didn't know about it.
This post was edited on 2/6 9:28 PM by WhyNotaSooner
Not only that, but how about a few years ago when Bob Stoops decided to clean house of coaches right after NSD.
It's debatable whether Strong knew this coach was leaving. It's non-debatable that Stoops fired coaches after NSD.
This post was edited on 2/6 9:52 PM by BillyRay
Bob fired 3 coaches before NSD this season. A few years ago he waited only to see the performance of the efforts of recruiting. When they didn't bring home the bacon, he fired them.
As far as Strong goes, I have a very difficult time believing a HC does not know where his Coaches are on the recruiting trail. If Strong truly didn't know this was coming, he's in worse shape than many thought. He'd better off admitting he failed in his core values.
So? If Strong had fired this coach is one thing. But the coach left on his own and since Strong didn't get rid of him, then that tends to point towards he was keeping him on his staff and as such, wasn't misleading recruits as far as he knew. If this DL coach wanted to keep Strong in the dark as to his efforts to go elsewhere, then how does that equate to Strong failing in his core values?? Then again it's possible that Strong was aware and failed at his core values. In the end, what does it matter?? Who cares. Strong will hire another coach and Texas football will keep going.
This. Charlie knew it was coming and chose not to have it disclosed until he had letters in hand. None of Bob's recruits took to social media to say they were lied to when he fired coaches.
What do those upset recruits do now? Letter is signed. Might as well suck it up and chalk it up as a learning experience. No way Strong Values Charlie is going to let those top notch recruits get away. If he in fact did not know, then according to his trumpeted core values, he should be very upfront about letting those upset recruits know that he'll let them go. But we know he won't. I won't say he's slimy, but he makes warm snot on ice look like better traction.
Core value numero uno out the window. Might as well throw out the one about respect for women since he had no hesitation hiring the guy that brought a "wife better" to the OU campus. Two down in a year, three to go. Spin away Horn friends.
So? So he doesn't practice what he preaches and demands.
What does it matter? Great recuiting dirt going forward for all that recruit against UT.
I'll say again, if Strong truly did not know his Coach was leaving, then UT has many more issues than many thought.
Recruiting dirt that a coach left for another program after NSD. Okay man then by all means...spin away....
You having a hard time believing it doesn't change the possibility that may have actually gone down that way. None of us know how it actually went down, but there are several sources saying he didn't know, there are none saying he did and withheld it. And if in fact it was done behind his back it wouldn't put him "in worse shape than many thought". It wasn't something within his control. Until one of you can come up with a thread of evidence that he knew, the only spin is coming from your side.
And then there is your spin that Bob was justified by waiting to see the recruiting results. If Bob fired anyone based on the success or failure of a single class he wouldn't deserve to be in the position he's in. He fired them based on a series of poor recruiting and coaching, period. Bob pretty much knew, with the exception of maybe one or two kids, who he was getting before signing day. To think he fired guys over not getting one or two kids is ludicrous.
The difference between Charlie and Bob is there are people on the record saying Charlie didn't know. I don't recall ant stories saying Bob was waiting to see how that years class was going to look.
OK, so you believe Charlie didn't know. That's on you and if this is to be your posting theory, then why dooesn't Strong just release his unhappy recruits? He's either being dishonest with himself, his team, his fans, or he doesn't have a clue of what's happening within his program. Last year some were saying, including you, that he was releasing recruits that did not fit within his core values. They weren't 'his' type of player(s). Not so much this year. It looks like his core values are used when he believes it's best for the program and himself.
You should change your handle from pfka to PTCV.... Part Time Core Values.
You should change your handle from pfka to PTCV.... Part Time Core Values.
Bob didn't have commits on social media complaining about being lied to. So there's that difference...
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Since we read about it here at least a week before signing day, it's pretty safe to assume that Charlie knew about it before then.
So let's just say, hypothetically of course since rumors are against the rules, that the parents of one of the most displeased student athletes in this whole deal called Norman on Thursday to ask what would be involved with their son transferring to OU after the Rumph thing surfaced. Hypothetically, of course, they would have been told they would need to petition Strong to release him so he could transfer and only sit a year.
That sound like a kid, hypothetically, that committed to a program or a coach?
All hypothetical mind you..
Coaching is a tight knit fraternity - if indeed Chuck F'n Strong didn't know his DL coach was interviewing elsewhere that's a problem.
That sound like a kid, hypothetically, that committed to a program or a coach?
All hypothetical mind you..
Coaching is a tight knit fraternity - if indeed Chuck F'n Strong didn't know his DL coach was interviewing elsewhere that's a problem.
BTW, Urban pulled the same crap. He pulled the number one recruit out of the state of Michigan who is a running back. Then the Buckeyes' RB coach announced his leaving the day after signing day. The story was on Yahoo News yesterday. and elsewhere.
His hs coach went on local radio and was not happy with Ohio State. And the family of the recruit is very unhappy. This is a common practice in college football and it should, IMO, provide an out for the recruit. If his primary recruiter leaves a school within a month after signing day, he can go elsewhere... except where that coach went.
Mike Weber and family are furious
His hs coach went on local radio and was not happy with Ohio State. And the family of the recruit is very unhappy. This is a common practice in college football and it should, IMO, provide an out for the recruit. If his primary recruiter leaves a school within a month after signing day, he can go elsewhere... except where that coach went.
Mike Weber and family are furious
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Well, taking the contrary point of view, but I thought these guys are signing to play for a certain program, not a certain coach.
While I get the relationship of a recruiter 'selling' a prospect the virtue of coming to said school, in the final analysis the recruit should grow a pair and honor his commitment. IMO
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While I get the relationship of a recruiter 'selling' a prospect the virtue of coming to said school, in the final analysis the recruit should grow a pair and honor his commitment. IMO
This post was edited on 2/7 12:36 PM by Soonersincefitty
Don't disagree at all with those thoughts fitty.
The issue is the recruits specifically asked the head coach about reports that their DL coach was leaving for Florida and the head coach, who has made a public spectacle out of his "core values," with honesty being #1, wasn't honest with them in his answer. Why not? Probably because he didn't want to take a chance of them changing their minds. The commits were clearly upset about what they perceived to be dishonesty. They have no choice but to honor their commitment at this point or they suffer the consequences. Core Values Charlie already has their letters.
These coaches don't just sell the school to these high school kids, they sell themselves and what they can do for the kids. I can see where a teenager might make a last minute change of mind regarding which school they commit to based on who they believed would be coaching their position. They sign believing they'll be coached by Coach X, who they developed a relationship with during their recruitment and if they knew Coach X was leaving, they may have flipped to their second choice school to be coached by Coach Y, who they also developed a relationship with during their recruitment. The unknown Coach Z replacement for Coach X might not be something they want to explore.
But alas, throwing out trumpeted Charlie Core Value #1 worked out in Charlie's favor in this scenario. Might bite him in the ass later though...
If Bob has told recruits that Kish is not leaving when he has already planned for him to leave, was dishonest with them when specifically asked, yes, I would feel the same way. Dishonesty is dishonesty regardless of school mascot.
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At the time the conversation with Lampkin Rumph had not accepted the offer, so Lampkin wasn't lied to. Which recruits are unhappy? Oh wait, your referring to the knee jerk reaction of a 17 year old kid who after thinking about it is fine. Last I checked which was a few minutes ago, it appears all recruits are still on board and excited about the opportunity.Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:
OK, so you believe Charlie didn't know. That's on you and if this is to be your posting theory, then why dooesn't Strong just release his unhappy recruits? He's either being dishonest with himself, his team, his fans, or he doesn't have a clue of what's happening within his program. Last year some were saying, including you, that he was releasing recruits that did not fit within his core values. They weren't 'his' type of player(s). Not so much this year. It looks like his core values are used when he believes it's best for the program and himself.
You should change your handle from pfka to PTCV.... Part Time Core Values.
To day he has no clue what os going on in the program is a bit silly. He can't know something that can't be found out without being told. If reports are correct he had no clue Rumph was leaving. How would have known?
His core values, they are fine and still in tact. He's not recruiting woman beaters and drug users, he hasn't lied, and there have been no thefts or guns. I don't see the NFL coming to Norman asking Bob about discipline and character.
The story from Thayer Evans broke on Thursday I believe. So and as has been posted he earned about it then. I would be interested in seeing any reports you have to the contrary. We have posted evidence of our facts, all we have see from your side is posters repeating the same psych babble hoping it will eventually be true.
Bottom line is life isn't always fair. It doesn't matter if they fire them or if they quit a day after signing day or 6 months after signing day. You sign to play for a school, not a coach. If Bob Stoops retired tomorrow you have 85 kids that signed to OU thinking they were going to play for him. But that's not how life works. If my boss takes a new role tomorrow my job doesn't change. I might kick and scream for a few minutes like Lampkin did, but I'm moving on with my job.
Why would Stoops try and display or flaunt core values, when he continues to bring in players like DGB, and he once tried to bring in Pistol Pete Jarboe and Mr. Screwdriver. Yeah, that's displaying his core values by his actions, glad you said it. We don't know if Strong knew about Rumph, but we know for a fact that Stoops knew about the actions of those recruits. "Moreso" than Strong, that's funny. None of these guys are what fans pimp them out to be, but come on fella.
Ahh the old Mr. Screwdriver and Jarboe stuff.
I'd rather OU recruit a kid with an issue prior to his stepping on campus than hauling in "good kids" who then turn into hardened criminals once on campus. One of those scenarios spells second chance. The other one spells second degree (at a minimum) felonies. OU gives second chances. UT trains good kids to be felons. Apples. Oranges (jumpsuit colors).
If you are familiar with Core Value Charlie's coaching past, you should realize that he was involved with Urban Meyer's Flordia Gators All Criminal Teams during his years there. Yep, he recruited and coached those boys.
And recruiting kids with legal and other troubles while at Louisville? Yep, he did that too. Second Chance Charlie. Michael Dyer, Adrian Bushell, Zeke Pike, Matt Milton, and Jordan Whiting all say hello.
When will you longhorns realize your jokes write themselves? Spare us the holier than thou crap. Your program has had many a black eye over the years. Your failure to openly admit it doesn't change it. And your mascot is a freaking netured cow.
Good day.
What the hell is that? Whatever it is supposed to be, it's funny as hell!
The news DID NOT BREAK THURSDAY. There were posts on the premium board a week before signing day on this site. Don't give me that nonsense that Charlie didn't know. He lied. Mister Honesty lied, pure and simple. It's not uncommon. But it's number one on Charlie's list for the base of the program.
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