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It is time for the Big XII to have 12 teams!

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The lack of a championship game hurt OUr seeding and cost Baker a trip to NYC!

We need to expand NOW!!!

Add USF and maybe Cinci or Tulane or Temple and we would widen our footprint and have a championship game!

Imagine if Baker and OU had played the OsU game as a real championship while everyone else was struggling against lesser teams!

Not only might Baker have been in NYC, he might have taken the trophy! If OUr players play one less game, their stats will always be hurt!

The time is NOW for expansion!
 
Not again...........those teams bring nothing to the Big12. You really think a replay of the OU/OSU game would have helped OU. It would be nice to have a CCG, but adding those teams is just adding water to the soup

You assume a lot. What if Baker had played poorly in a CCG? Did you see what McCaffrey did in his CCG and he will not win the Heisman. ESPN has already declared Derrick Henry the winner.
 
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In my opinion, I only want the Big XII to expand if we can get some schools that can bring something to the conference. I want teams that would be competitive and bring in extra money. Don't expand just to expand. I still don't understand why the Big X would want Rutgers.
 
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There aren't many schools that would be beneficial to the conference AND would be willing to join the Big 12 that are located where it makes logical sense. Tulane would only be competitive for Kansas, for example. Houston would be a better choice, IMO. The Cougars still wouldn't improve the level of competition much but better than Tulane, and they are in a major TV market. A lot of fans have a problem with another Texas school becoming a member, I don't at all. In fact, I like beating teams from Texas. Too bad we didn't go after Louisville aggressively when we had the chance.
 
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Here's what I do not understand. OU played 9 conference games. Alabama played 9 conference games. The difference is that Alabama's 9th game was the conference "championship". But OU's 9th game vs OSU was also for the conference championship. The only difference....Alabama played for the SEC championship at a neutral site in doors vs a mortally wounded Florida squad. OU went on the road vs an arch rival in less than ideal weather and didn't just win.....they blew out the Pukes.I call BS on this whole extra game crap. Let's compare OCC schedules and see where that gets you.
 
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Here's what I do not understand. OU played 9 conference games. Alabama played 9 conference games. The difference is that Alabama's 9th game was the conference "championship". But OU's 9th game vs OSU was also for the conference championship. The only difference....Alabama played for the SEC championship at a neutral site in doors vs a mortally wounded Florida squad. OU went on the road vs an arch rival in less than ideal weather and didn't just win.....they blew out the Pukes.I call BS on this whole extra game crap. Let's compare OCC schedules and see where that gets you.
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That's not really the issue. The issue is that the CCG makes 13 total games vs. 12. You're sort of slanting things a little bit by trying to make the CCG equivalent to a 9th conference game. 13 games vs. 12 is the real issue, particularly when that 13th game is coming against an 11-1 team.
 
Much rather (try to) bring back Nebraska & Missouri.

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topdecktiger said:
That's not really the issue. The issue is that the CCG makes 13 total games vs. 12. You're sort of slanting things a little bit by trying to make the CCG equivalent to a 9th conference game. 13 games vs. 12 is the real issue, particularly when that 13th game is coming against an 11-1 team.
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Well, if I may distinguish us from the rest...OU has no problem with the championship game.

In that regard the format was all too kind to us. We only lost 2 out of 9 when we had the CCG.

It takes a lot to get OU 'gruntled'.
All you have to do is win and everything will fall into place, generally speaking.:D
 
We did not get hurt in the least bit. If we expand, only bring teams that suits us. I like BYU, but the NO PLAY SUNDAY, would cause problems for basketball. They are too far away and the high altitude business. We need teams that win and have a lot of support.
 
topdecktiger said:
That's not really the issue. The issue is that the CCG makes 13 total games vs. 12. You're sort of slanting things a little bit by trying to make the CCG equivalent to a 9th conference game. 13 games vs. 12 is the real issue, particularly when that 13th game is coming against an 11-1 team.
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Correct. In addition, the extra (13th) game opens the door for possible injuries, which is a major advantage for schools that don't play the extra game. The only fair way, IMO, is for all conferences to have the same number of teams and play the exact format within the conference including tie breaker rulings. Not my idea. I heard this argument made this past weekend by one of the college sports talking heads. I agree and hope the B12 adds a couple of competitive schools within a reasonable area of the country relative to current conference members.
 
soonerfastnloud said:
We did not get hurt in the least bit. If we expand, only bring teams that suits us. I like BYU, but the NO PLAY SUNDAY, would cause problems for basketball. They are too far away and the high altitude business. We need teams that win and have a lot of support.
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The Big12 commissioner has said the no Sunday play was NOT an issue
 
Oklabama said:
Correct. In addition, the extra (13th) game opens the door for possible injuries, which is a major advantage for schools that don't play the extra game. The only fair way, IMO, is for all conferences to have the same number of teams and play the exact format within the conference including tie breaker rulings. Not my idea. I heard this argument made this past weekend by one of the college sports talking heads. I agree and hope the B12 adds a couple of competitive schools within a reasonable area of the country relative to current conference members.
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That is the problem. There are no competitive schools available
 
Tuloma said:
The Big12 commissioner has said the no Sunday play was NOT an issue
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BYU is too far west. The conference solicited WVU so I don't see it adding schools from the Rockies westward. But it does open the way for most schools east and south or near the Mason Dixie Line, and south of the Red River.
 
Tuloma said:
That is the problem. There are no competitive schools available
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Ain't it the truth especially since Kansas and Iowa State are already (football) members. Their basketball/wrestling value is of some importance but don't makeup for how terrible the football programs are in my books. But I admit I don't follow those sports very closely. I actually see more OU ladies BB than the guys until March Madness, so I don't except many to agree. Simply put I'd rather have Louisville than Kansas so we would have a school with two competitive sport teams.
 
Oklabama said:
Correct. In addition, the extra (13th) game opens the door for possible injuries, which is a major advantage for schools that don't play the extra game. The only fair way, IMO, is for all conferences to have the same number of teams and play the exact format within the conference including tie breaker rulings. Not my idea. I heard this argument made this past weekend by one of the college sports talking heads. I agree and hope the B12 adds a couple of competitive schools within a reasonable area of the country relative to current conference members.
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The perfect solution would be to go back to smaller conferences and get rid of the CCG. Just have an extra round of playoffs.

Seeing as that won't happen, Delany indicated that he wasn't opposed to removing the 12-team requirement. He just wanted keep the 2-division requirement. In the Big 12's case, you could actually make that work fairly well. Bowlsby indicated that he didn't like having two 5-team divisions because he didn't want one division to be top-heavy (a la the old Big 12 South). The thing is, you could split the divisions any way you wanted without upsetting any rivalries. With only 4 division games, it would be easy to keep rivalries as crossover games.

I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to have all the P5 leagues play 8 conference games, 2 OOC games against P5 teams, and two G5 teams. That way, you have plenty of interconference games, so you have a better way to evaluate the relative strength of the conferences when picking the playoff teams.
 
  1. The 13th game issue doesn't hold water when you compare OCC schedules of most SEC teams and OU's not to mention the fact that certain SEC schedules dodge tough across conference opponents.In my opinion you just can't look at the 13th game. You have to compare the entire schedule and when you do our 12 games stand up well against 13 games in the other major conferences.
 
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I would agree except for the percentage for injury to starters is higher when 13 games are played compared to 12. That's a fact. Every injury in the 13th game could potentially prove to be the difference between making it to the playoffs or not, or advancing at a disadvantage. Teams without a CCG are at an advantage in that regard. How much is that advantage depends on what happens during the CCG.
 
Jakeleg Jake said:
2 instant rivals Okie...
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Jake, being from Alabama I understand the SEC loyalty, but I promise you the Vols and Sooners would enjoy an annual ruckus. Our fans really enjoyed Knoxville and I've heard the Vol fans enjoyed Norman. As for Arkansas, we just like kicking their ass. If a spot opened up in the SEC, I would love for the Sooners to become a member unless we were still in the Big 8.
 
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topdecktiger said:
That's not really the issue. The issue is that the CCG makes 13 total games vs. 12. You're sort of slanting things a little bit by trying to make the CCG equivalent to a 9th conference game. 13 games vs. 12 is the real issue, particularly when that 13th game is coming against an 11-1 team.
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NO NO NO.

The issue is how many FBS teams you played and beat.

OU played and won three road games against top 25 teams. Which SEC team gave Bama it's toughest game in a Bama win? UTenn. At Bama. OU beat them in Knoxville, and it was before we got OUr OLIne worked out. That didn't really happen until game six, which was after the loss in Dallas.

We beat a good Akron team from the Mid American who is going to a bowl. Beat Tulsa who is going to a bowl. We beat UTenn who is going to a bowl. We beat in our conference KState, Texas Texas, Baylor, TCU, Okie State and West Virginia who are all going to bowls. We played three conference teams who are staying home.

Clemson opened the season with two non FBS schools, Appalachian St and something called Woffard. So including your CCG, you played 11 FBS schools. Four of your wins were over 3-9 teams: GaTech, Boston College, Wake Forest and South Carolina. And you beat 4-8 Syracuse. You had wins over bowl teams Notre Dama, Louisville, NC State, Florida State, Miami and North Carolina.

So Clemson only played 11 FBS teams, OU played 12. Clemson beat six bowl teams, OU beat nine. OU had three great road wins over top 25 teams: UTenn, Baylor and Oklahoma State. Clemson's two best wins were at home. Their only road win of any note was over 7-5 Louisville. You had a quality win in your CCG. But your schedule was not tougher than OU's. Really not quite as good.

Alabama played no quality non conference games. They played one FCS school, Charleston Southern. Their other two NC games were Louisiana Monroe and Middle Tennessee State. So they played ten games against Power Five schools, same as OU. They played 12 games against FBS schools, same as OU. Ole Miss lost to Memphis. They beat Bama. Texas Tech won at Arkansas. This year was not the same SEC West.

Don't get me wrong, Alabama is a terrific college football team. But it is a fallacy that they played a tougher schedule than Oklahoma. And when we went to Stillwater for OUr last game in the XII version of the CCG, we faced a tougher opponent than Bama did in their CCG.

I wish OSU was playing the toothless Gators in their bowl game, but alas.
 
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We may not get another Heisman winner when other players get 13 games to build their stats when OUr guys only get 12 plus, they aren't playing on the last weekend while their opposition for the trophy will be getting those "last looks"!
 
Personally, because I live in Colorado and attend two OU games a year in Norman...I'd love to see the Big 12 add Colo State (opening a new stadium and has good academics and decent basketball) and then either San Diego State (CA recruiting) or South Florida (FL recruiting). Then make sure CSU plays OU!! Then I get another game every other year!!

Boomer!!
 
SoonersR4Real said:
We may not get another Heisman winner when other players get 13 games to build their stats when OUr guys only get 12 plus, they aren't playing on the last weekend while their opposition for the trophy will be getting those "last looks"!
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That's a very good point. After the OSU game Baker was in the mix behind Henry with the others and looked like he was a shoe in for an invitation to NYC. After the CCG games his stock dropped like a lead balloon and missed out. There have been many years that four players were invited, but Baker didn't receive enough votes. Why is that you suppose? Up this point, Baker has had as good a year as Josh had after 12 games, IMO.
 
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NO NO NO.

The issue is how many FBS teams you played and beat.

OU played and won three road games against top 25 teams. Which SEC team gave Bama it's toughest game in a Bama win? UTenn. At Bama. OU beat them in Knoxville, and it was before we got OUr OLIne worked out. That didn't really happen until game six, which was after the loss in Dallas.

We beat a good Akron team from the Mid American who is going to a bowl. Beat Tulsa who is going to a bowl. We beat UTenn who is going to a bowl. We beat in our conference KState, Texas Texas, Baylor, TCU, Okie State and West Virginia who are all going to bowls. We played three conference teams who are staying home.

Clemson opened the season with two non FBS schools, Appalachian St and something called Woffard. So including your CCG, you played 11 FBS schools. Four of your wins were over 3-9 teams: GaTech, Boston College, Wake Forest and South Carolina. And you beat 4-8 Syracuse. You had wins over bowl teams Notre Dama, Louisville, NC State, Florida State, Miami and North Carolina.

So Clemson only played 11 FBS teams, OU played 12. Clemson beat six bowl teams, OU beat nine. OU had three great road wins over top 25 teams: UTenn, Baylor and Oklahoma State. Clemson's two best wins were at home. Their only road win of any note was over 7-5 Louisville. You had a quality win in your CCG. But your schedule was not tougher than OU's. Really not quite as good.

Alabama played no quality non conference games. They played one FCS school, Charleston Southern. Their other two NC games were Louisiana Monroe and Middle Tennessee State. So they played ten games against Power Five schools, same as OU. They played 12 games against FBS schools, same as OU. Ole Miss lost to Memphis. They beat Bama. Texas Tech won at Arkansas. This year was not the same SEC West.

Don't get me wrong, Alabama is a terrific college football team. But it is a fallacy that they played a tougher schedule than Oklahoma. And when we went to Stillwater for OUr last game in the XII version of the CCG, we faced a tougher opponent than Bama did in their CCG.

I wish OSU was playing the toothless Gators in their bowl game, but alas.
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Your facts are incorrect. Appalachian St is an FBS team. They play in the Sun Belt Conference. They finished 10-2 this year, and are playing Ohio in a bowl game.

Alabama played Wisconsin (9-3) OOC.

Here are the overall records of each team's opponents:
Alabama - 101-56 .643
Clemson - 84-73 .535
Oklahoma - 78-66 .541

Alabama played the best competition, by far.
 
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Today I learned Appalachian State moved to an FBS conference, in 2014.

Good job beating them Clem. When your AD scheduled them, I'm sure they weren't expecting an FCS cupcake or anything.
 
They also only were allowed 62 total scholarships until that year. So their roster would be pretty young. Now that had an advantage on the FCS teams they played in 2015. But they played in the worst FBS conference in the country, and had a nice record. I did make a mistake. But saying that Clemson's schedule was tougher than OU's because they had a CCG just isn't accurate. They still had 12 games against FBS schools, and six of them were either eight loss teams or more, or non FBS schools. And they played the toughest two on their schedule at home. Their only true road win they had over an FBS team was over 7-5 Louisville.

OU had road wins over three top 25 teams.
 
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Spell check only corrects words that aren't words. When we type a word wrong but it correctly spells another word, it won't help us. I have a friend who's working on the problem.

I do not worry too much when I misspell something in the body of a post. Unless it is pointed out, I leave it often unfixed. But I hate it when I misspell something in a headline. It is in the list for all to see even those who are ignoring me.
 
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I hope your friend solves it soon. That will help eliminate inadvertent mistakes we all make.
 
Plainosooner said:
They also only were allowed 62 total scholarships until that year. So their roster would be pretty young. Now that had an advantage on the FCS teams they played in 2015. But they played in the worst FBS conference in the country, and had a nice record. I did make a mistake. But saying that Clemson's schedule was tougher than OU's because they had a CCG just isn't accurate. They still had 12 games against FBS schools, and six of them were either eight loss teams or more, or non FBS schools. And they played the toughest two on their schedule at home. Their only true road win they had over an FBS team was over 7-5 Louisville.

OU had road wins over three top 25 teams.
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This is what annoys the hell out of me. It's damn near impossible to have a rational discussion anymore.

I never said Clemson's schedule was tougher than Oklahoma's. In fact, I never mentioned Clemson at all. I responded to a poster who only mentioned Oklahoma and Alabama. You brought up Clemson, and started making an argument with yourself. I only responded to you because you made factual errors. You said App St was FCS. Not true, they are FBS. (By the way, recall App St beat Michigan several years ago.) That in turn, made two of your other statements incorrect. You said Clemson only played 6 bowl teams, when in fact it's 7. You said Clemson only played 11 FBS teams, when they played 12, same as Oklahoma.

You also incorrectly said that Alabama played no quality OOC games. Not true. They played Wisconsin, who was 9-3, which was a better record than anyone Oklahoma played OOC.

So, you made four incorrect statements, which is why I responded to you. You also completely overlooked the stats I posted. Alabama's opponents had much better record that Oklahoma's (or Clemson's for that matter), by 100 percentage points.

Now, here's the point. Arguing over all this is really meaningless. None of these stats really matter, because the teams are going to play each other and settle it on the field (unless Alabama loses). I actually agree with you regarding some of this hyping of certain teams and conferences, especially the SEC. However, you are just as bad. You cherrypick stats and results to support your position, and ignore those that contradict it.

The truth is, all four of these playoff teams are exceptional, and all four definitely deserved to be selected. Making these silly "mine's bigger than yours" arguments is just childish and petty.
 
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