I had a very busy morning but had to shower off most of the free "likes" to the hawk (who just as well coulda been frydaze 'daddy'). Remember; they are 10-9 vs the Clones under their current millionaire's regime...
I'll give you a little outside perspective...
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I for one am a little disappointed that some long time scoop members have not seen these 2 posters for what they are. Some even liked their posts?????
Is the Scoop going soft? I have never seen so many backhanded compliments in my life. If a whorn fan or aggie fan did this, and I suspect they may be just that, this board would have erupted. I suggest those that liked their posts go back and reread what they are saying. Any Iowa fan coming here telling any OU fan anything can kiss my ass. Yep I said it.
To quote the First Lady of the Board. "Winner, winner, chicken dinner"
Let's cut to the chase here... if we have to rely on the offense to score 40+ pts. every game because our defense is weak, we are no longer OU, we are a northern issue of Texas Tech. This is not acceptable to me as a fan. Until the defense begins to hold up on a consistent basis... fire Mike Stoops will be my mantra.
I never could imagine, in a million years, an Oklahoma coach EVER making that kind of statement. If it weren't your post, BillyRay, I would say you're lying. I'm fricking shocked. Let me think about that. "We're not gonna over-talent anybody". Wow. That is Mike Stoops making the ultimate excuse, pure and simple.
When Coaches start making comments like that they are usually done. Perhaps he knows after this season is over he is gone. All his negativity has to be trickling down to his players. Smdh
We have seen OU lose unexplained games but for some reason this one to ISU has really irritated me more than normal.
What a stupid comment by Stoops to say that
What a stupid comment by Stoops to say that
He's lost.... and w/ that comment, I think he just lost his team as well.
Here are the full comments.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...cle_f18eaf1f-64c9-55ae-af62-42b148bef1c3.html
“I actually think we’re making strides there,” coach Lincoln Riley said Monday. “You look at a lot of (Iowa State’s) throws from the other day, (and) it was a lot of, ‘Here, I’m taking my first read and getting the ball out of my hands right now,’ which is what they did. Against a quick-passing game, you’re not going to get there all the time."
So, I wonder what Riley teaches his QB's to do when there are 3 receivers and only one CB or he sees his best receiver with a 12 yard cushion?!?!?!?
I don't think the unhappiness with Mike and his defense is even close to knee jerk OR unwarranted. When your defense has been historically bad for a lot of years its obvious that there HAS to be a change .Its nothing against MS its that everyone has lost faith.An occasional good performance does not cut it around here.There has to be a philosophical change in regards to recruiting,scheme and fundamentals.When people have lost hope its over plain and simple.I have been watching OU football since 1969 and never have I seen a defense so unsound year after year.This is the first RRR I can remember that I have zero faith in the defense.Even the Blake years they could recruit and play a little D.
Oh my hell, has Mike lost his sanity. I am very angry. If we can't over talent Iowa ST. we are in big trouble. Fire Mike before it's too late.
Mahomes' 734 passing yards tied Halliday for the FBS passing yards record, and his 88 pass attempts is a Texas Tech record. Considering the prolific passing attacks in Lubbock over the years, the single-game pass attempts record might be one of the most impressive records broken here (and it's one shy of another Halliday FBS record).I will never forget this debacle.
You're a pay board man, so all you have to do is check out the tagged HD vid at the top of Mike after Tuesday's practice if you wanna hear it for yourself.
Well said, Hawks99. The lunatic fringe never ceases to amaze many of us and occasionally inspires me to leave this board altogether. I'm an OU Alum but many of the comments are just not steeped in reality. I agree that this team has some problems that have to get corrected to have the great season we'd all hoped for, but I'm so over this whole sky is falling routine--even if we get beat Saturday. Winning consistently at an elite D1 level is about the hardest gig going and I don't care what anyone says, defending Big-12 offenses week in and week out is extremely difficult. AND YES, even more difficult then defending Ohio State or Michigan or USC for that matter. Why do you think so many smaller schools with less talent spread people out and throw the ball so much? Because it's harder to defend and gives them a greater chance to win.
From my view, a huge part of the overall problem is the impossible standards/expectations that the press sets forth with the public (Saban is definitely on to something--truly, he is). A large majority of the Oklahoma press frequently behave like amateurs. (including some that run this board--Josh excluded) Winning is not a god-given right, and we are not entitled to it just because we are Oklahoma. I'm proud to be from Oklahoma but when I watch the way the Okla.press conducts themselves from the West coast, it's downright embarrassing. They should have higher standards and so should the people that employ them. The OU players and coaches don't owe them anything and at the very LEAST, deserve some degree of respect, even in a sub-par performance. After all this does provide the journalist's livelihood. Treating players and coaches with distain when they fall short is kind of pathetic and somewhat shameful. They ARE listening even when they pretend they're not. Be a professional at what you do and stop acting like a newspaper writer for Hefner Jr. High (same goes for Skip Bayless)
I'm not a journalist and I won't pretend to be one, but I've never seen LA journalists treat the USC & UCLA programs with distain when they lose (even during USC's recent coaching debacles) Okla. journalists should go back and watch/listen to the Ohio press after the whipping they took---AND TAKE SOME NOTES. I never saw or heard one local journalist treat them with any distain or disgust. Good lord guys, get a grip.
From my view, a huge part of the overall problem is the impossible standards/expectations that the press sets forth with the public (Saban is definitely on to something--truly, he is). A large majority of the Oklahoma press frequently behave like amateurs. (including some that run this board--Josh excluded) Winning is not a god-given right, and we are not entitled to it just because we are Oklahoma. I'm proud to be from Oklahoma but when I watch the way the Okla.press conducts themselves from the West coast, it's downright embarrassing. They should have higher standards and so should the people that employ them. The OU players and coaches don't owe them anything and at the very LEAST, deserve some degree of respect, even in a sub-par performance. After all this does provide the journalist's livelihood. Treating players and coaches with distain when they fall short is kind of pathetic and somewhat shameful. They ARE listening even when they pretend they're not. Be a professional at what you do and stop acting like a newspaper writer for Hefner Jr. High (same goes for Skip Bayless)
I'm not a journalist and I won't pretend to be one, but I've never seen LA journalists treat the USC & UCLA programs with distain when they lose (even during USC's recent coaching debacles) Okla. journalists should go back and watch/listen to the Ohio press after the whipping they took---AND TAKE SOME NOTES. I never saw or heard one local journalist treat them with any distain or disgust. Good lord guys, get a grip.
IOWA STATE...
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Which part do you NOT understand?
I agree. We should all get a grip. The fans and the press clearly don't have this correct. What are we thinking when there is a continual pattern affecting OUr team. We should bury our heads in the sand and wish it away. You, sir, have nailed it. With your two post in the past two years, you are definitely a wealth of extraordinary information. Thanks so much for your post.
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I agree. We should all get a grip. The fans and the press clearly don't have this correct. What are we thinking when there is a continual pattern affecting OUr team. We should bury our heads in the sand and wish it away. You, sir, have nailed it. With your two post in the past two years, you are definitely a wealth of extraordinary information. Thanks so much for your post.
Since you appear to be a 'Johnny-Come-Lately' to OUr Board, Mr. Lorey, allow me to remind you that these posts are expressions of an ongoing disenchantment with Mike Stoops. They are by no means knee-jerk reactions to the ISU loss nor are they Coach-of-the Week Bashings…They are the growing concerns of growing numbers of Sooner Fans. We’ve sat on them for too long, and most feel the time has come for a change…
IMO, your criticism of the Oklahoma Sports Writers and Newscasters would be better served if you would direct it to the TV Stations and Newspaper Editors. There are few fans of either of those, here...
So, Thanks, but No Thanks...We don't need another dose of outside perspective...The first was suffish...
We'll just remain blissfully ignorant, with our heads in the sand, and Rock Onnnnnn!
IMO, your criticism of the Oklahoma Sports Writers and Newscasters would be better served if you would direct it to the TV Stations and Newspaper Editors. There are few fans of either of those, here...
So, Thanks, but No Thanks...We don't need another dose of outside perspective...The first was suffish...
We'll just remain blissfully ignorant, with our heads in the sand, and Rock Onnnnnn!
Sorry, messed up my initial response. I'm not being nasty and I don't post often because I typically don't feel inspired to post. But, most of the local press (and radical fan base) lacks national perspective. As I stated, I agree there are patterns at OU that need to be corrected (and possibly replaced--we will see) But if you want to talk about patterns and losing?? How about talking to Nebraska, Miami, USC, Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame, Florida, even Ohio State not that long ago. All proud, power programs with rich traditions that went into the toilet really fast. Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for. I agree, the defense is not what it was in MS early years, but the game has evolved and changed. Nobody is running Power I anymore (except the SEC) Even Bama didn't defend the spread well last year with the loaded defense they had. As you stated, OUr defense needs to improve, but I also think we all a little perspective.I agree. We should all get a grip. The fans and the press clearly don't have this correct. What are we thinking when there is a continual pattern affecting OUr team. We should bury our heads in the sand and wish it away. You, sir, have nailed it. With your two post in the past two years, you are definitely a wealth of extraordinary information. Thanks so much for your post.
I realize this is not a new pattern with ou program, particularly our defense---I haven't missed a game in almost 20 years. But, if ignorance is your way, then so be it. Thanks for the advice on the writers and newscasters and it's already been done.
The Anti Mike Stoops posts here are lame compared to what else is out there. We are a small minority here, there are literally thousands upon thousands of Sooner fans saying the same thing most say here. Are we all wrong?
Coaching changes are made all the time, OU is not above it and also not immune to it. Nobody is asking for anything unreasonable only that its past time for a change at DC. Some of his comments the past couple of years should be reason enough but it goes way beyond that. We made a change at OC a few years ago so why is it so unreasonable that we make one at DC? The offense only went south for what a couple of seasons? The defense is bad year in and year out.
Coaching changes are made all the time, OU is not above it and also not immune to it. Nobody is asking for anything unreasonable only that its past time for a change at DC. Some of his comments the past couple of years should be reason enough but it goes way beyond that. We made a change at OC a few years ago so why is it so unreasonable that we make one at DC? The offense only went south for what a couple of seasons? The defense is bad year in and year out.
Good points - And funny pic too!!Somebody say something?
[QUOTE="howardlorey, post: 1908216, member: 14886"
How about talking to Nebraska, Miami, USC, Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame, Florida, even Ohio State not that long ago. All proud, power programs with rich traditions that went into the toilet really fast. Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for.[/QUOTE]
All of those schools made changes because they did not have the right fit and some went through a few before they found what works or what they hope will work. The jury is still out on some of those.
OU could have had a similar fate like those Schools but Bob retired and Lincoln was named his successor, we don't know yet if that is going to work out and if it does not he will likely be gone too. It would be no different if Bob had been fired or asked to resign. Had Bob not fired Josh and hired Riley as OC who would have been hired to replace Bob? Would Lincoln Riley have been on anyones short list? I highly doubt it so we just don't know yet if it was a homerun hire or if we will be making a change there too down the road. I think if we all want Riley to succeed and I hope we all do then he needs every tool at his disposal to be able to succeed, having Mike Stoops as his DC will most likely hurt his chances. Usually when a new HC comes in most if not all of the current staff is sent packing, this did not happen when Riley took over and I don't think its fair to him that he was not able possibly due to timing that he was not able to get guys that he may have wanted on his staff. Maybe he has planned to all along but is waiting for this season to end to have the time to do just that. Just my opinion.
How about talking to Nebraska, Miami, USC, Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame, Florida, even Ohio State not that long ago. All proud, power programs with rich traditions that went into the toilet really fast. Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for.[/QUOTE]
All of those schools made changes because they did not have the right fit and some went through a few before they found what works or what they hope will work. The jury is still out on some of those.
OU could have had a similar fate like those Schools but Bob retired and Lincoln was named his successor, we don't know yet if that is going to work out and if it does not he will likely be gone too. It would be no different if Bob had been fired or asked to resign. Had Bob not fired Josh and hired Riley as OC who would have been hired to replace Bob? Would Lincoln Riley have been on anyones short list? I highly doubt it so we just don't know yet if it was a homerun hire or if we will be making a change there too down the road. I think if we all want Riley to succeed and I hope we all do then he needs every tool at his disposal to be able to succeed, having Mike Stoops as his DC will most likely hurt his chances. Usually when a new HC comes in most if not all of the current staff is sent packing, this did not happen when Riley took over and I don't think its fair to him that he was not able possibly due to timing that he was not able to get guys that he may have wanted on his staff. Maybe he has planned to all along but is waiting for this season to end to have the time to do just that. Just my opinion.
Get off your mom's couch and do something, like mow the yard...Somebody say something?
I'll admit I knee jerked about Mike Stoops. I think the year was 2013.
I have a hard time watching a Mike Stoops defense. Each game I become more and more convinced that Venables was the reason Mike had any success when he first came to OU. Time to show Mike and Kish the door. Get some people in that can recruit so we won't be out talented by the likes of Iowa State.
Agree....and recruiting would also improve.
When Mike Stoopified says, "We're not going to over-talent..." anyone, I have to wonder, who the fook are you talking about?
What school in the nation should be able to have better talent on it's football team than Oklahoma? texASS? Alabama? Ohio State? Notre Dame? Southern California?
At worst, OU should have at least the 6th best team in the country talent wise, and that is a stretch...
There is absolutely no reason why any team in the Big XII other than possibly texASS should have better talent on the field. PERIOD.
What school in the nation should be able to have better talent on it's football team than Oklahoma? texASS? Alabama? Ohio State? Notre Dame? Southern California?
At worst, OU should have at least the 6th best team in the country talent wise, and that is a stretch...
There is absolutely no reason why any team in the Big XII other than possibly texASS should have better talent on the field. PERIOD.
I have been thinking this the last couple of years. Especially considering how well BrentV has done at Clemson since leaving OU. Night and day difference compared to the outcome OU has had with Mikey.
But no doubt BrentV had some issues while at OU too. But looking back, that was during the time when Bob let his staff slip and get lazy at recruiting. Very possibly BrentV's issues at OU was due to the talent just getting worse as recruiting took a dive. Not long after he landed at Clemson it was reported he said the difference in recruiting culture at Clemson compared to OU was like night and day. He said Clemson recruiting was 24/7/365.
