iasooner... can you explain the Iowa Caucus process?
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Great question. Why don't they just do a primary? In and out in minutes. The majority wins.
I'm not iasooner nor do I play him on TV, but I've done a little brushing up on a caucus vs a primary. States may choose to have a caucus, primary or both. About 17 states have primaries and 5 have a caucus and a couple have both.
A caucus is more of an open process where people get together to discuss issues/candidates and try to convince the fence-sitters to come over to their side. Kind of like a big pep rally. They vote openly and it can be either electronic, paper ballot or even a show of hands depending on the size of the caucus. Caucuses seem to attract mostly those who are strongly committed to a certain candidate and may not always accurately represent those in the middle who may be undecided.
Primaries are not as open as there is no discussion or recruiting among voters, the voting is done by private ballot and does seem to attract not just those on either the far left or right, but more of those in the middle.
ia, is that your experience with the caucus?
Soonersincefitty
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Dang, I wasn't even close.
I thought it was a bunch of Iowans going to the mountainous region in Eurasia tomorrow and voting.
Man, I need to read more stuff...
Do they hand out fine Cuban cigars like they did years ago? JJ. I would think anyone would have decided on a candidate by now. I don't need the collective to convince me. Just my thoughts.
BTW, Anybody else sick and tired of hearing about Iowa? I know, first in the nation, but the overall picture is a flea on a dogs back. Don't even get me started on New Hampshire................LOL
Yeah sick of all the junk mail for sure. It is sort of a Democratic process therefore inconvenient for either side but we do reap butt-loads of revenue as a fly-over state by doing it, I suppose. There are two candy dates waiting for me in limos outside for the remainder of the evening to elaborate further on issues at this time...
I've been to six state conventions. a dozen senatorial district conventions and close to 20 precinct caucuses. I can't tell you the specific process because A, every state is different and B. it changes every two years.
Because Texas is such a large state, there may be a lot more involved. But a caucus is just a meeting run by parliamentary procedure and Roberts Rules of Order. Then the national party establishes specific rules as it sees for for their own organization that are exceptions to RRoO and then each state has it's own rules within those national rules.
And each party makes their own rules. So the rules for Democrats will be different than those for Republicans from state to state.
The national party will establish how many national delegates will be going to the national convention from each state. That is not based on population of that state. It is based on how many voters from that state voted for the last presidential candidate four years ago. That number, is then based on a percentage of total voters from four years ago. So while states like New York or California may have higher populations, than say Texas, Texas may send more delegates to the national convention. because they may have had more voters for Romney four years ago.
In some states, you must register by party. You are a registered Democrat or registered Republican or maybe something else. Some states, like mine, you only register. Then you choose which caucus' you'd be eligible to attend by which primary you voted in.
Iowa is a register by party state.
The precinct caucus will do more than help select delegates. They will propose propositions to be part of the state and national party platforms.
The same process will likely apply to precincts. So each precinct will send voters based on
Some states choose to do it by primary with a winner take all.
But here are the specific rules for each party in Iowa.
Presidential preference on the Republican side is done with a straw vote of those attending the caucus. This vote is sometimes done by a show of hands or by dividing themselves into groups according to candidate. In precincts that elect only 1 delegate they choose the delegate by majority vote and it must be a paper ballot.
The Democrats have a more complex system. In a typical caucus, registered democrats gather at the precinct meeting places (there are close to 2,000 precincts statewide), supporters for each candidate have a chance to make their case, and then the participants gather into groups supporting particular candidates (undecided voters also cluster into a group). In order for a particular group to be viable, they must have a certain percentage of the all the caucus participants. If they don’t have enough people, the group disbands, and its members go to another group. The percentage cut-off is determined by the number of delegates assigned to the precinct.
Democratic candidates must receive at least 15 percent of the votes in that precinct to move on to the county convention. If a candidate receives less than 15 percent of the votes, supporters of non-viable candidates have the option to join a viable candidate group, join another non-viable candidate group to become viable, join other groups to form an uncommitted group or chose to go nowhere and not be counted. Non-viable groups have up to 30 minutes to realign, if they fail to do so in that time, they can ask the for more time, which is voted on by the caucus as a whole. If the caucus refuses, re-alignment is done and delegates are awarded. A “third party” may hold a convention to nominate one candidate for president and one for vice president as well. The results of this caucus activity on both the Democratic and Republican sides are not binding on the elected delegates, but the delegates usually feel obligated to follow the wishes expressed by the caucus-goers. Thus the initial caucus results provide a good barometer of the composition of Iowa’s national delegation.
It breaks down like this:
If the precinct has only one delegate, the group with the most people wins the delegate vote, and that’s it.
If the precinct has only two delegates, each group needs 25 percent to be viable.
If the precinct has only three delegates, each group needs one-sixth of the caucus participants.
If the precinct has four or more delegates, each group needs at least 15 percent of the caucus participants.
Once the groups are settled, the next order of business is to figure out how many of that precinct’s delegates each group (and by extension, each candidate) should win.
In order for a particular group to be viable, they must have a certain percentage of the all the caucus participants. If they don’t have enough people, the group disbands, and its members go to another group. The percentage cut-off is determined by the number of delegates assigned to the precinct. It breaks down like this:
If the precinct has only one delegate, the group with the most people wins the delegate vote, and that’s it.
If the precinct has only two delegates, each group needs 25 percent to be viable.
If the precinct has only three delegates, each group needs one-sixth of the caucus participants.
If the precinct has four or more delegates, each group needs at least 15 percent of the caucus participants.
Once the groups are settled, the next order of business is to figure out how many of that precinct’s delegates each group (and by extension, each candidate) should win.
Presidential preference on the Republican side is done with a straw vote of those attending the caucus. This vote is sometimes done by a show of hands or by dividing themselves into groups according to candidate. In precincts that elect only 1 delegate they choose the delegate by majority vote and it must be a paper ballot.
The Democrats have a more complex system. In a typical caucus, registered democrats gather at the precinct meeting places (there are close to 2,000 precincts statewide), supporters for each candidate have a chance to make their case, and then the participants gather into groups supporting particular candidates (undecided voters also cluster into a group). In order for a particular group to be viable, they must have a certain percentage of the all the caucus participants. If they don’t have enough people, the group disbands, and its members go to another group. The percentage cut-off is determined by the number of delegates assigned to the precinct.
Democratic candidates must receive at least 15 percent of the votes in that precinct to move on to the county convention. If a candidate receives less than 15 percent of the votes, supporters of non-viable candidates have the option to join a viable candidate group, join another non-viable candidate group to become viable, join other groups to form an uncommitted group or chose to go nowhere and not be counted. Non-viable groups have up to 30 minutes to realign, if they fail to do so in that time, they can ask the for more time, which is voted on by the caucus as a whole. If the caucus refuses, re-alignment is done and delegates are awarded. A “third party” may hold a convention to nominate one candidate for president and one for vice president as well. The results of this caucus activity on both the Democratic and Republican sides are not binding on the elected delegates, but the delegates usually feel obligated to follow the wishes expressed by the caucus-goers. Thus the initial caucus results provide a good barometer of the composition of Iowa’s national delegation.
It breaks down like this:
If the precinct has only one delegate, the group with the most people wins the delegate vote, and that’s it.
If the precinct has only two delegates, each group needs 25 percent to be viable.
If the precinct has only three delegates, each group needs one-sixth of the caucus participants.
If the precinct has four or more delegates, each group needs at least 15 percent of the caucus participants.
Once the groups are settled, the next order of business is to figure out how many of that precinct’s delegates each group (and by extension, each candidate) should win.
In order for a particular group to be viable, they must have a certain percentage of the all the caucus participants. If they don’t have enough people, the group disbands, and its members go to another group. The percentage cut-off is determined by the number of delegates assigned to the precinct. It breaks down like this:
If the precinct has only one delegate, the group with the most people wins the delegate vote, and that’s it.
If the precinct has only two delegates, each group needs 25 percent to be viable.
If the precinct has only three delegates, each group needs one-sixth of the caucus participants.
If the precinct has four or more delegates, each group needs at least 15 percent of the caucus participants.
Once the groups are settled, the next order of business is to figure out how many of that precinct’s delegates each group (and by extension, each candidate) should win.
Because Texas is such a large state, there may be a lot more involved. But a caucus is just a meeting run by parliamentary procedure and Roberts Rules of Order. Then the national party establishes specific rules as it sees for for their own organization that are exceptions to RRoO and then each state has it's own rules within those national rules.
And each party makes their own rules. So the rules for Democrats will be different than those for Republicans from state to state.
The national party will establish how many national delegates will be going to the national convention from each state. That is not based on population of that state. It is based on how many voters from that state voted for the last presidential candidate four years ago. That number, is then based on a percentage of total voters from four years ago. So while states like New York or California may have higher populations, than say Texas, Texas may send more delegates to the national convention. because they may have had more voters for Romney four years ago.
In some states, you must register by party. You are a registered Democrat or registered Republican or maybe something else. Some states, like mine, you only register. Then you choose which caucus' you'd be eligible to attend by which primary you voted in.
Iowa is a register by party state.
The precinct caucus will do more than help select delegates. They will propose propositions to be part of the state and national party platforms.
The same process will likely apply to precincts. So each precinct will send voters based on
Some states choose to do it by primary with a winner take all.
But here are the specific rules for each party in Iowa.
Presidential preference on the Republican side is done with a straw vote of those attending the caucus. This vote is sometimes done by a show of hands or by dividing themselves into groups according to candidate. In precincts that elect only 1 delegate they choose the delegate by majority vote and it must be a paper ballot.
The Democrats have a more complex system. In a typical caucus, registered democrats gather at the precinct meeting places (there are close to 2,000 precincts statewide), supporters for each candidate have a chance to make their case, and then the participants gather into groups supporting particular candidates (undecided voters also cluster into a group). In order for a particular group to be viable, they must have a certain percentage of the all the caucus participants. If they don’t have enough people, the group disbands, and its members go to another group. The percentage cut-off is determined by the number of delegates assigned to the precinct.
Democratic candidates must receive at least 15 percent of the votes in that precinct to move on to the county convention. If a candidate receives less than 15 percent of the votes, supporters of non-viable candidates have the option to join a viable candidate group, join another non-viable candidate group to become viable, join other groups to form an uncommitted group or chose to go nowhere and not be counted. Non-viable groups have up to 30 minutes to realign, if they fail to do so in that time, they can ask the for more time, which is voted on by the caucus as a whole. If the caucus refuses, re-alignment is done and delegates are awarded. A “third party” may hold a convention to nominate one candidate for president and one for vice president as well. The results of this caucus activity on both the Democratic and Republican sides are not binding on the elected delegates, but the delegates usually feel obligated to follow the wishes expressed by the caucus-goers. Thus the initial caucus results provide a good barometer of the composition of Iowa’s national delegation.
It breaks down like this:
If the precinct has only one delegate, the group with the most people wins the delegate vote, and that’s it.
If the precinct has only two delegates, each group needs 25 percent to be viable.
If the precinct has only three delegates, each group needs one-sixth of the caucus participants.
If the precinct has four or more delegates, each group needs at least 15 percent of the caucus participants.
Once the groups are settled, the next order of business is to figure out how many of that precinct’s delegates each group (and by extension, each candidate) should win.
In order for a particular group to be viable, they must have a certain percentage of the all the caucus participants. If they don’t have enough people, the group disbands, and its members go to another group. The percentage cut-off is determined by the number of delegates assigned to the precinct. It breaks down like this:
If the precinct has only one delegate, the group with the most people wins the delegate vote, and that’s it.
If the precinct has only two delegates, each group needs 25 percent to be viable.
If the precinct has only three delegates, each group needs one-sixth of the caucus participants.
If the precinct has four or more delegates, each group needs at least 15 percent of the caucus participants.
Once the groups are settled, the next order of business is to figure out how many of that precinct’s delegates each group (and by extension, each candidate) should win.
Presidential preference on the Republican side is done with a straw vote of those attending the caucus. This vote is sometimes done by a show of hands or by dividing themselves into groups according to candidate. In precincts that elect only 1 delegate they choose the delegate by majority vote and it must be a paper ballot.
The Democrats have a more complex system. In a typical caucus, registered democrats gather at the precinct meeting places (there are close to 2,000 precincts statewide), supporters for each candidate have a chance to make their case, and then the participants gather into groups supporting particular candidates (undecided voters also cluster into a group). In order for a particular group to be viable, they must have a certain percentage of the all the caucus participants. If they don’t have enough people, the group disbands, and its members go to another group. The percentage cut-off is determined by the number of delegates assigned to the precinct.
Democratic candidates must receive at least 15 percent of the votes in that precinct to move on to the county convention. If a candidate receives less than 15 percent of the votes, supporters of non-viable candidates have the option to join a viable candidate group, join another non-viable candidate group to become viable, join other groups to form an uncommitted group or chose to go nowhere and not be counted. Non-viable groups have up to 30 minutes to realign, if they fail to do so in that time, they can ask the for more time, which is voted on by the caucus as a whole. If the caucus refuses, re-alignment is done and delegates are awarded. A “third party” may hold a convention to nominate one candidate for president and one for vice president as well. The results of this caucus activity on both the Democratic and Republican sides are not binding on the elected delegates, but the delegates usually feel obligated to follow the wishes expressed by the caucus-goers. Thus the initial caucus results provide a good barometer of the composition of Iowa’s national delegation.
It breaks down like this:
If the precinct has only one delegate, the group with the most people wins the delegate vote, and that’s it.
If the precinct has only two delegates, each group needs 25 percent to be viable.
If the precinct has only three delegates, each group needs one-sixth of the caucus participants.
If the precinct has four or more delegates, each group needs at least 15 percent of the caucus participants.
Once the groups are settled, the next order of business is to figure out how many of that precinct’s delegates each group (and by extension, each candidate) should win.
In order for a particular group to be viable, they must have a certain percentage of the all the caucus participants. If they don’t have enough people, the group disbands, and its members go to another group. The percentage cut-off is determined by the number of delegates assigned to the precinct. It breaks down like this:
If the precinct has only one delegate, the group with the most people wins the delegate vote, and that’s it.
If the precinct has only two delegates, each group needs 25 percent to be viable.
If the precinct has only three delegates, each group needs one-sixth of the caucus participants.
If the precinct has four or more delegates, each group needs at least 15 percent of the caucus participants.
Once the groups are settled, the next order of business is to figure out how many of that precinct’s delegates each group (and by extension, each candidate) should win.
Oh and I think the answer to the "Why caucus" question is likely because, A they've been doing it that way for a long time, but mostly B. because they want people interested enough to come talk about it, to make those decisions.
This is different than later. So they will be sending a percentage of candidates, but remember these are only candidates for a congressional district convention that sends candidates to a state convention that chooses who goes to a national convention.
These results will do more for momentum than the specific delegate numbers. Each subsequent convention can make new decisions.
This is different than later. So they will be sending a percentage of candidates, but remember these are only candidates for a congressional district convention that sends candidates to a state convention that chooses who goes to a national convention.
These results will do more for momentum than the specific delegate numbers. Each subsequent convention can make new decisions.
If I could transplant Des Moines in Texas, I would live in Des Moines. Des Moines learned long ago how to bury utilities. Much of Texas is just now catching on. Much of Texas still doesn't get it.
Two brand new streets in Waco have no overhead blight. Lawton, OK has been designing such streets since 1970.
Two brand new streets in Waco have no overhead blight. Lawton, OK has been designing such streets since 1970.
Ask a question about a caucus and you get an example of a filibuster.
Ask a question about a caucus and you get an example of a filibuster.
A google response at that.
I actually enjoy watching you be a prick with such ease. Confirms my ability to judge character...even on a message board.
So! You're gonna Caucus tonight!
A gentleman never kisses and tells... (without a guarantee of substantial mile-high stacks)
Many thanks to Schoonerman & Plaino for describing the proper processes to you all so I didn't have to. It's going to be an interesting day tomorrow and supposedly we have a record blizzard bearing down on us starting sometime in the next 30 hours or so. If its early, turnout will be affected on both sides...
Many thanks to Schoonerman & Plaino for describing the proper processes to you all so I didn't have to. It's going to be an interesting day tomorrow and supposedly we have a record blizzard bearing down on us starting sometime in the next 30 hours or so. If its early, turnout will be affected on both sides...
The caucus is the preliminary foreplay of all of us getting screwed. The winners are given old dry splintered broom handles, which they use to 'cock us' with a few months later... various forms of lube are optional, although rarely used...
A gentleman never kisses and tells... (without a guarantee of substantial mile-high stacks)
Many thanks to Schoonerman & Plaino for describing the proper processes to you all so I didn't have to. It's going to be an interesting day tomorrow and supposedly we have a record blizzard bearing down on us starting sometime in the next 30 hours or so. If its early, turnout will be affected on both sides...
Hunker down brother!!! Big snow is coming!
Well if Hillary is on the ballot for the Texas primary, I might just cross over and cast a vote for Bernie. Haven't decided yet. I think Sanders will have a huge ground swelling effect for the young people vote nationwide, but having a self proclaimed socialist on the National ballot I think will have a devasting effect for the Demorcatic ticket. Hence my potential cross over, to attempt to force him to the top of the ticket. But I suspect that Hillary will win Texas. Having said this, I'm not too thrilled w/ the lot of the Republican candidates either.
If I had to caucus tonight, I have no idea who'd I go with at this point. Good luck Gary.
If I had to caucus tonight, I have no idea who'd I go with at this point. Good luck Gary.
Soonersincefitty
Sooner starter
Let's be honest here, you can't play nice for a month. No matter how hard you try. It's just not in your DNA. Your promises is much like each of the promises delvered by the candidates on both sides of the aisle. BTW, you're equivalent to nothing but a daily traffic commute to me. Sometimes a piece of cake, sometimes I have to detour.
Says the poster who I nailed very accurately, pretty quickly.
Oh? I didn't leave after Bob fired the coach I continually defended for three and outs and few points against decent teams.
But then I wouldn't expect you to get it, you never have...
Regarding what's in bold above...ss has been well documented here by myself and others...I didn't either.
And I have no issue defending ANY OC whose offenses score 40+pts/game. I'd be defying my own view of "common sense" if I didn't. I also defended Kevin Wilson though when others wanted Coach Heupel, so what do I know? LOL.
Averaging 40 a game is fine. Scoring 14 in Norman against Baylor and 6 against Clemson obviously wasn't.
Maybe having that sense of the commoner is why you don't get it. Or are you suggesting that Bob Stoops made a mistake in showing JH the door? Ah, but then you know so much more about the game, don't you?
Watching the returns tonight, county by county knowing this is a small cosmic showing of the nation. I mean, I can't imagine the level of civility that would occur and happen in counties across the states. Can you see Cook Cty (Chicago), Harris Cty (Houston), or Baltimore Cty actually caucusing?
It's about half time. Unless Trump kicks it in gear, missing the last debate has had an effect. Cruz is ahead while Rubio is getting closer to Trump in 3rd. But only half the projected total of votes have been counted. Trump may take a big county, but it shows he has lost Dubuque to Rubio.
It's about half time. Unless Trump kicks it in gear, missing the last debate has had an effect. Cruz is ahead while Rubio is getting closer to Trump in 3rd. But only half the projected total of votes have been counted. Trump may take a big county, but it shows he has lost Dubuque to Rubio.
Been there, done that...after we only scored twice against Florida in the NC game Fter averaging 50/game with one of the most prolific offenses in NCAA history.
Using YOUR logic, you must think we should fire Riley for the O's performance in games like Tennessee and Texas? No matter.
Sadly, but consistently, a few years from now I'll likely be defending Riley and guys like you will have disdained the message boards for the local sports radio call-in shows.
Hope I'm wrong, but it's obviously become a pattern.
I realize its hard to put those 4 on ignore because they pretty much make up 90% of the comments here, but trust me its worth it. They add absolutely nothing of substance and haven't for years. Plus, it will drive them crazy......or crazier if thats possible
LOL!!! You guy's very rarely, yes very rarely, start a thread post. You just dump on them..............
I think their Mom owes the board an apology. Possibly an Aunt or Uncle too. Still trying to figure out where WNAS fits in the family tree though. I have people working on it.
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