Have a deplorable day...
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All the little snowflakes are in Mommies basement sound asleep and harmless until they don't get their way again then they will throw another tantrum and destroy others property. A round of Liberal tears on me tonight! Soooooooo tasty!
217 are in jail on federal charges of rioting... Those are felony eyes for the snowflakes...
Like any president, I'll wait until year's end to feel one way or the other about Trump.
I am, however, so glad to see the Clintons removed from the political landscape forever.
What's getting tedious is having to listen to the liberals attacking the Electoral College system, saying Trump is an "illegitimate" president because he did not win the popular vote.
I am, however, so glad to see the Clintons removed from the political landscape forever.
What's getting tedious is having to listen to the liberals attacking the Electoral College system, saying Trump is an "illegitimate" president because he did not win the popular vote.
CT, the below has nothing to do with your post, except it triggered my thoughts below.
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Well, one of the reasons the Electoral College is there is the founding fathers didn't want a few major populations centers electing the President. In today's world the Electoral College works to prevent NYC and LA from electing the President.
Thank God for the foresight of the founding fathers. We just don't get to pick and choose what we like about the Constitution or the laws of this nation. I think the Left Wing Radical Goons who want to tear this country down and burn out flag are about to learn that the Constitution and our laws will again rule the land.
You socialist/communist democrats want to take down the 2nd Amendment, remove the Electoral College and destroy our Freedom of Speech just try it the legal way instead of trying it via anarchy, rioting and burning the country down. You won't, because you can't.
Thank God for the fly-over states. You have no shot at these issues doing it the right way, so you resort to burning the country down and create lawlessness in the process.
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I understand the electoral college and why we have it, but it sucks that my vote, whether republican or democrat, never has and never will be meaningful unless I move to a state such as Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, etc. Why not just poll the 5 or 10 states that matter and save the resources everywhere else? There's a reason why after the primaries no candidate wastes their time and money on a visit to Oklahoma. Surely the there is a way to modify the system so that every vote counts.
Great post, as usual, Roy. Very well presented.
Without the EC, candidates would only campaign in ten or eleven states. Do we really want NY, New England, Chicago and California politics governing all 50 states ?
No, your vote does count, especially if you are in the fly-over states. We are the glue that holds this country together.
Explain, because I can vote democrat, republican, or not vote at all and the end result is the same every election.
Your vote matters. You never know when. It is less about the size of the state, and more about the voting balance of the state. We're not far, from a scenario when more than two parties might be involved, which could be chaotic. When that might occur, then the electors become a totally different dynamic.
The voters in Florida had no idea in 2000 that it would be such a close race, when they went to the polls. They mattered not so much because their state had large numbers, but because it was such a close vote within the state. A scenario when just two states the size of Oklahoma, might swing that same sort of small margin into history. And in a smaller state, your vote means more.
I'm 65. I remember when Texas and Florida weren't nearly so populated, and New York was hugely bigger than any other, including California. So the number change.
I believe that there is as important an aspect of the electoral college that the founding fathers may, or may not have foreseen, but is as critical. In 1960, it is well documented that the mob delivered the state of Illinois for Kennedy, assuring his victory. The old Chicago view of voting early and often. Swinging that state swung the election. But under the electoral college, only that state got changed. And it turned out, that even had Illinois gone for Nixon, Kennedy would have eked out, barely.
But if we had a popular vote, then those sources of corruption, and willingness to cheat, could manufacture numbers that would matter nationally. Some places could "document" votes that far exceed their registered numbers. The electoral college prevents that. It gives those of us in the flyover states more clout, because our votes are truly counted fairly if we make sure corruption is not allowed here. Now that's overly simplistic, I know.
But numbers in both legislatures, matter. Who voted for the Florida Secretary of State in 2000, mattered. A republican kept those who would have manufactured votes by clairvoyance form doing so. It was the difference in the election. Gore supporters would argue the fairness of that on the other side, but that's not my point. The point is that Katherine Harris being in office, was very likely the difference in the outcome of that presidential election.
So it's not just that your vote matters. You vote in those down the ballot races, matters. How remarkable is it, that so many take for granted that precious right?
If that were all we needed, Killary would be POTUS, Slick Willie would be first bitch, and we would never have outcomes like '92 & '96, where a third party candidate swayed the EC in some states. Trump originally started in 2000. The Reform Party fell apart. He dropped out of the race early, citing that fact. They ended up with Pat Buchanan, who made no difference in the election, and the party splintered.
The one and only reason that the Electoral College was created was because of the fear most of our founding fathers had of democracy. Madison referred to "factions" or groups of citizens with a common interest around some proposal that would violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation as a whole. Alex de Tocqueville called this "the tyranny of the majority." Within the construct of a Republic, the Electoral College was set up to preserve the "sense of the people" while at the same time ensuring that a president was chosen "by men capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station and acting under circumstances favorable to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice."
In other words, the E.C. was created to keep the populous from making a mistake because of their perceived lack of understanding of what a good choice for president would be. The reason it is problematical today is because as the E.C. has evolved it is now made up of party loyalists who simply vote the way their state voted rather than vote their conscience.
The irony is that the 2016 election outcome and the final E.C. vote simply validated Madison and de Tocqueville's prophecy.
In other words, the E.C. was created to keep the populous from making a mistake because of their perceived lack of understanding of what a good choice for president would be. The reason it is problematical today is because as the E.C. has evolved it is now made up of party loyalists who simply vote the way their state voted rather than vote their conscience.
The irony is that the 2016 election outcome and the final E.C. vote simply validated Madison and de Tocqueville's prophecy.
Only would that validation in the mind of those who share your view. And that surely isn't all of us. In the flyover part of America, it is definitely a minority view.
Clearly, and I respect the feelings of others. I also know that I stand with the majority of voters by about a count of 3 million. Let's be honest...it was a flawed choice. Neither candidate was worth a damn. I chose what I considered the more qualified and the lessor of two evils. A debate on each's negatives would come very close to a draw.
Ultimately, maybe for both of us, the real issue is the supreme court. My strong preference would be someone who reads what it says, and bases their decisions on what was intended. Those who call the Constitution an evolving document, do so, to enhance their own power, and undermine our leadership. It is tyranny. Changing the Constitution is supposed to be an act of the legislative branch, not the judicial. Those on the other side, use that judicial activism to do an end run around established law.
Mostly, the judicial activism has redefined what it means to be a believer in God. We have our rights undermined and removed, IMO. Atheism becomes the established religion of America, by prohibiting God in the public sector. It's had a profound impact since the '62 court decisions, that went against every previous precedent.And I believe those who share my view, and we are not small in number, are the reason there was a big upset in this election.
And in my view, that impact and change was profoundly negative.
Mostly, the judicial activism has redefined what it means to be a believer in God. We have our rights undermined and removed, IMO. Atheism becomes the established religion of America, by prohibiting God in the public sector. It's had a profound impact since the '62 court decisions, that went against every previous precedent.And I believe those who share my view, and we are not small in number, are the reason there was a big upset in this election.
And in my view, that impact and change was profoundly negative.
Kalifornia all by itself would have decided the popular vote. Last year, Governor Moonbeam signed the "Mexican Voter Act" which made all residents legal to obtain a driver licence and thus, able to vote.
Kalifornia is on Forbes list of the 11 death spiral states. Kalifornia's maker/taker ratio is closing in on Venezuela.
Both candidates ran to win the Electoral College. Without the Electoral College, both would have hung out in Kalifornia and New Yawk and worked to out promise each other. Michigan would have no say whatsoever.
I thank the founders and the Great Father for the Electoral College.
Kalifornia is on Forbes list of the 11 death spiral states. Kalifornia's maker/taker ratio is closing in on Venezuela.
Both candidates ran to win the Electoral College. Without the Electoral College, both would have hung out in Kalifornia and New Yawk and worked to out promise each other. Michigan would have no say whatsoever.
I thank the founders and the Great Father for the Electoral College.
They could get 10 years, but I have no doubt they will get off with a fairly light slap on the hands. My hope is for all of those that destroyed private property, lit fires, etc. face hard time. Then maybe others would think twice before torching a car or shattering a window/door of someone's business. Of course, the DA would have to have a big set of balls and deal with the likes of The Rev, Fat Michael and the tramp Madonna.
Edit addition: I listened to Madonna's speech in which she used the F-bomb and said she has thought about blowing up the White House many times. I caught that on Fox early this morning while listening to the "fair and balanced" group
and later checked out CNN to hear their take on Madonna's behavior. Guess what, their Madonna coverage didn't include either of the two statements. Maybe CNN played once REAL early.
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I simply will not get into the name calling far right vs far left banter. It simply serves no purpose. I grew up in an upper middle class environment. My family were bankers and ranchers. I went to private schools. I was a classic Republican of the time...strong of fiscal issues and national defense but somewhat moderate on social issues. My first time to legally vote I cast my ballot for Goldwater. Needless to say, my political allegiance has changed. I am now an independent, not because I left the Republican party but because the Republican party left me. I voted for W twice as my governor and once for president but when he blew a trillion dollars hole in the economy and took us into an unnecessary war they destroyed the balance of power in the Middle East and opened the door for Iranian influence I voted for the Democratic candidate for the first time in my life. Personally, I think Obama will go down as one of the greatest presidents in our history. There is not enough band width herein to list all his accomplishments in the face of unprecedented opposition. In my opinion we have elected the most unqualified and dangerous president in our history. Time will tell...I hope I am wrong.
Rev should be prosecuted for tax evasion. Moore can dress up like Rosie. Madonna can be prosecuted.
As for thugs tearing up and destroying other people's stuff... prison. Period. Obama has opened up enough beds for them...
I'm in favor of the Supreme Court interpreting the laws, not inventing or changing them.
My question to you regarding the Supreme Court is if there is so much outcry concerning women not having access to abortion on demand, why did 12 years of Republican rule from 1981-1993 (Reagan's two terms and Bush Sr.'s one term) fail to overturn Roe vs. Wade ? It did not vanish under George W.'s, either, during his 8 years.
Secondly, if a fetus has its own DNA, how can it be considered part of a woman's body, even if it's carried in her body 9 months ?
Finally, if the Supreme Court were to overturn Roe vs. Wade, would there be a widespread sentiment to have women be punished for getting abortions above and beyond rape, incest or danger to a mother's life ? And wouldn't this take abortions back to the day of back alley procedures ?
My stance on abortions is not based on a religious belief. I believe killing another person is wrong whether inside or outside a womb....but I'm not sure I want a 19 year old girl to be imprisoned for waking up one morning pregnant and not wanting to be.
I don't need a religious person to tell me right from wrong or judge me in any way....and I don't need a feminist/liberal telling me I'm being a chauvinistic pig on this issue.
I find it strange that those who are pro-life are demonized while those who favor abortion on demand are regarded as noble and free from the shackles of male dominance, and religious ignorance.
I just do not believe this issue is exclusively a "woman's issue". How could it be ?
Note: I'm not trying to instigate a hostile feud on this.....only trying to get opinions/feelings on this.
My question to you regarding the Supreme Court is if there is so much outcry concerning women not having access to abortion on demand, why did 12 years of Republican rule from 1981-1993 (Reagan's two terms and Bush Sr.'s one term) fail to overturn Roe vs. Wade ? It did not vanish under George W.'s, either, during his 8 years.
Secondly, if a fetus has its own DNA, how can it be considered part of a woman's body, even if it's carried in her body 9 months ?
Finally, if the Supreme Court were to overturn Roe vs. Wade, would there be a widespread sentiment to have women be punished for getting abortions above and beyond rape, incest or danger to a mother's life ? And wouldn't this take abortions back to the day of back alley procedures ?
My stance on abortions is not based on a religious belief. I believe killing another person is wrong whether inside or outside a womb....but I'm not sure I want a 19 year old girl to be imprisoned for waking up one morning pregnant and not wanting to be.
I don't need a religious person to tell me right from wrong or judge me in any way....and I don't need a feminist/liberal telling me I'm being a chauvinistic pig on this issue.
I find it strange that those who are pro-life are demonized while those who favor abortion on demand are regarded as noble and free from the shackles of male dominance, and religious ignorance.
I just do not believe this issue is exclusively a "woman's issue". How could it be ?
Note: I'm not trying to instigate a hostile feud on this.....only trying to get opinions/feelings on this.
Having been raised by Republican parents from Oklahoma who endured The Dust Bowl, The Depression and World War II in their first 25 years of life, I became a Republican. I read Goldwater's books as a 15 year old and attended his speech at the Teaneck Armory in 1964.
But in recent years, I have steered away from both parties following George W's reckless and costly intervention in the Middle East and his increasing of the federal government and national debt. Obama only carried this crap further.
Trump has a monumental task of not only dealing with domestic and international issues, he has to somehow reunite the country which I don't think he or any Republican can do or will be allowed to do. Had his rhetoric over the past 18 months not been so impulsive, it would have served him better. Trump's first year will be interesting to say the least.
I agree the choices were very poor, so I didn't vote for either. However, I knew that my party candidate would carry the state. Hell, Mickey Mouse would win Oklahoma if the rat was running on the GOP ticket. And that's what you're pissed about. I'd feel the same way perhaps if I lived in California, but the law is the law, and 62 million US citizens voted for our new POTUS. If the law was changed to a popular vote, it is very likely that Donald Trump would be the last Republican president for decades. Think about that before wishing for essentially a one party system. All your posts on this tread have been interesting and well stated. I hope you post more when there's something you would like to share about OU football.
Good post, Oklabama.
A year ago I thought that the country was evolving into a one party rule, and that at 68, I would never see another Republican president in my lifetime.
I'm not sure right now how Trump's presidency will turn out, but I'm euphoric over Hillary's downfall. May it be permanent.
A year ago I thought that the country was evolving into a one party rule, and that at 68, I would never see another Republican president in my lifetime.
I'm not sure right now how Trump's presidency will turn out, but I'm euphoric over Hillary's downfall. May it be permanent.
Changing the Constitution is not an Executive action either. Eliminating tax payer subsidy of abortion, especially past 3 months is NOT an attack on women. The dirty business of 'Planned Parenthood" is self-sustaining, as proven by the tapes that were released. There is no going back to Leave It To Beaver.
I like his ideas, but can't stand his personality and sensitivity. However, I guess that's how he won, so I accept it and am thankful we don't have HRC in the White House. I want Trump to succeed, just like I wanted Obama and every other new president to succeed. Typically, I'm disappointed, but I will never give up hope.
Just for kicks, how many skeletons does Hill alone have in her closet ?
1. Vince Foster/White Water
2. Enabling Slickster's women abuse all through the Arkie years to the present and blaming the victims. (One would think this alone would scare off "Progressive Women"...)
3. Uma and the Weiner
4. Perjury about the emails (and all the other issues)
5. Benghazi
others ?
1. Vince Foster/White Water
2. Enabling Slickster's women abuse all through the Arkie years to the present and blaming the victims. (One would think this alone would scare off "Progressive Women"...)
3. Uma and the Weiner
4. Perjury about the emails (and all the other issues)
5. Benghazi
others ?
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Oklabama, agree.
Trump clearly is not a seasoned campaigner but I liked him ruffling a few feathers (namely Jeb Bush) during the Republican debates. He really needs to stop the high school boy insults and stop paying the likes of Rosie O'Donnell so much attention.
As for Jeb Bush, would his first name have been an issue since it was the name of (gasp !) Confederate general Jeb Stuart ? The PC police would have been outraged.
Trump clearly is not a seasoned campaigner but I liked him ruffling a few feathers (namely Jeb Bush) during the Republican debates. He really needs to stop the high school boy insults and stop paying the likes of Rosie O'Donnell so much attention.
As for Jeb Bush, would his first name have been an issue since it was the name of (gasp !) Confederate general Jeb Stuart ? The PC police would have been outraged.
Two well deserved failed runs at the presidency.
Trump would have had the last laugh had Hillary won........She would have had to sit at the same desk that Monica spent so much time under.
That might have been hard for Hillary to swallow.
That might have been hard for Hillary to swallow.
I appreciate the spirit of the post. The simple answer to your question is that every time pro life legislation is passed, the court overturns it. That includes a baby with less than a couple of weeks til it could be delivered. And it ignores the question of what happens when the baby is born alive, and then is snuffed out. This question is never even asked in liberal media. In keeping with your thoughtful post, I'm going to avoid posting a strong pro life view.
But I see the opposite happening in your concerns about religious people. Those who share my view are demonized and marginalized in the most powerful influences of our present culture: education, in liberal courts and media. And my views are prohibited. There is great evidence that we are products of special creation. It is strongly suggested in the fossil record. But that view cannot be mentioned, without a professor being threatened with firing. I'm not talking about reading genesis.
The Constitution contains nothing that says that there is a separation of church and state. That came from the Warren Court. The said it in contradiction to everything the nation was considered to be at that time, and two centuries of precedent. There is a growing trend toward what exists in communist countries now, that Europe and Canada already entertain, and where liberal media and education seek to take us. That would be confining any faith conversation to the confines of your house of faith.
Pastors in Canada have been threatened with arrest, for teaching the biblical view that marriage ought to be between a man and a woman. It's considered hate speech. That is a goal of many on the political left. The basic view seems to be that we have free speech, so long as we the left, agree with it. And we are a lot closer to that in this culture, than we are to the fears you mentioned. Now I won't argue on either side of the gay marriage issue. It's interesting the Trump says it's been settled.
But the tradition of multi millennia and the biblical view which was the backbone of American law suddenly was changed. And now, those who disagree with this change are called haters for their faith view. Hate speech laws will make discussing that an illegal act.
Those kinds of issues are what I feared in the continuation the policies of the last eight years, and why I was thrilled, when a guy I didn't love as a candidate, won the election. He represented "not that."
Most of us who are pro life, view the answer to your question pretty simply. It's the same battle our ancestors fought in the 19th century over slavery. Slaves were legally not people, which was America's greatest evil. We still pay the price for that two or more centuries later. A pre born baby not being considered a person has the same impact. It is the same basic argument. It has its own DNA and everything else that defines human. So we view it as a noble fight. Politically, I'd "settle" for prohibiting the abortions of those who are viable. But like President Reagan used to say, if we err, shouldn't it be on the side of life?
First Amendment to The Constitution states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".
Public school. Universities of most any kind.. We now have Christian kids being denied admissions at some universities. Almost all network news. And some other places.
My wife is a school teacher. Texas' "Christmas Law" says hello.
BYU, TCU, SMU, ND, Baylor, etc...
Temple Daily Telegram has a Bible verse daily. On the front page... the Torah or Q'ran are not included. Neither is the Hindu scripture, despite having a very large Hindu Temple...
Capitalism. Go buy a network. Watch RT for Orthodox Christian news. EWTN, TBN, and a host of others. Check out YouTube. It is loaded with all forms of news from the Christian fronts, some fake, some real...
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