Why get a degree in journalism, when these posters you speak of can simply post their thoughts (positive or negative) on this forum? No degree required.
ESPN: 8 reasons why OU could win the football national championship
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How so?More nonsensical crap, thanksJust try to stop stating opinion as fact, especially when it's ill informed.
C'mon, be specific and help me out so I can understand and learn. After all, that's undoubtedly one of the major reasons we are all here.
Boomer Sooner
Joyner's ESPN article reflected a shallow overview of this year's team.
Of course OU has a chance to be a contender....that's nothing revealing....but some areas have to be improved for that to happen and some luck also has to come into play. Historically, OU replaces greatness with greatness. In the case for 2016, that needs to happen quickly given the early tough schedule.
Some of that will require young players (freshmen, redshirts and sophomores) stepping up.
Mayfield's good health is critical. (So goes Mayfield, so goes OU's 2016 season).
Perine's health is also critical. Hopefully he will recover fully from the beating he took vs Clemson.
The young linebacking corps must be solid....immediately.
Some good receivers are available, but Shepard's absence could be felt at least in the early part of the season. Shepard was as much a big game performer as any OU player in history.
The OL has good linemen. It will be important that Alvarez provides solid play at the center position and two good guards can line up next to him. Samia may be moved to guard. I like what I have heard from Coach Bedenbaugh about his line talent.
Stating that concerns about this team's football fortunes reflect a desire to be negative is utter nonsense. Think about it...why would an OU fan take pleasure in any failure by this team ?
To his defense, he hadn't held the ball much in college. He was probably having ideas of saving the day like he was used to in high school. He found out the hard way that, in college, everyone is closer to the same athletic level.
If you really don't care as you post, then why do you expend so much energy defending your point and extensive counter-points within a given thread? Seems you REALLY do care.
It's cool as to what you get out of your Sooner and Scoop patronage. If you left it at that, personal bliss would seem to be the natural by-product. You would seemingly be happy and content.
Why, then, do you seem to go full-throttle above with your offensive ("pessimistic expectations") and defensive offerings ("Sunshine Pumper...") regarding another's pursuit of the same goal (personal happiness and contentment) but by differing means (offering both the pros and cons in lieu of just the pros) than yours? By George, you really do care despite your protestation.
"Unsubstantiated opinion"? Really?
I see you don't appear to be a fan of those who use trends based on significant past performance data as a prudent means of projecting likely future outcomes. Isn't that what the author of the article - whom you seem to laud - did? You know, that statistical probability thing which seems to me to be a reasonably and "substantiated" ( empirically supported) opinion.
If true that you disagree with the above paragraph, it would probably rule you out as a potential coach/manager/teacher/medical provider/law enforcement personnel, etc. as their decisions are surely heavily past performance data driven. I personally know of its relevance to the teaching profession. This data is most likely solid and dependable indicators of future potential performances. Is this fair? I certainly have my opinion.
Are you sure one can't predict with a fair degree of accuracy the likelihood of a future event occurring? Really? You state that as a fact and an absolute. The weatherman seems to do a pretty solid job in this regard. How 'bout those world class chess players and our military leaders?
The writer of the article stated data supported opinions as to why he believes we will succeed. He just might be right. But, is there really no room in your mind for reasonable dissent regarding that expression? Strictly my interpretation of your intent based on your stated "dragging out our weaknesses..." and "If it is so painful..." Others might see it differently. Perhaps, I am errant in MY reasoning.
Boomer Sooner
Hope that didn't give you hand cramps.
Simple point. ..again: The article was expressly written to state the "whys" not the "why nots".
Yes there are "why nots". I'm greatly concerned about our QB depth and losses at LB...but that's not what the article was about. It just wasn't a surprise to me that the usual suspects couldn't help themselves to bring out the "negatives". SSDD.
Peace be with you and lets enjoy this beating of Aggie and an Elite 8.
Boomer.
For the life of me I'll never understand why it would bother another poster so much just because someone has a different viewpoint on the team. It doesn't make someone a negative Nelly, that's silly. This happens every year, our players are being built up way too high instead of taking the wait and see approach or going by their previous play
Saying definitively that Quick will never be more than average at best is not taking a "wait and see" approach.
Do you disagree?
Absolutely it's a "wait and see" approach. As in...let's wait and see if Quick proves him wrong.
Got any more softballs you want to lob up for me to crush?? lol
Absolutely it's a "wait and see" approach. As in...let's wait and see if Quick proves him wrong.
Got any more softballs you want to lob up for me to crush?? lol
I hope that was "tongue in cheek". Really I do.
As a matter of fact, my fingers didn't stop twitching until several moments after the final key stroke.
But, don't the "why's" of a pro article reasonably invite the flipside "why nots" as a general matter of promoting stimulating and insightful discourse? That's just responsible debate, imho.
I'm with you on beating Aggie.
Boomer Sooner
As a matter of fact, my fingers didn't stop twitching until several moments after the final key stroke.
But, don't the "why's" of a pro article reasonably invite the flipside "why nots" as a general matter of promoting stimulating and insightful discourse? That's just responsible debate, imho.
I'm with you on beating Aggie.
Boomer Sooner
Absolutely, but that's not the manner in which this unfolded.
I wasn't worried about the offense. It was the defense that had me all wound up.
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I'll answer your question if you answer mine.
I share your opinion and actually went farther saying that Quick has been even less. BW was the one who definitively stated that Quick would never be more than average. That's not "wait and see", do you disagree?
No, but you are the one who keeps talking about this "wait and see" approach.
I knew you'd dodge my question. You don't speak for him but just happen to agree with every word he says.
Again, to answer my own question...no. It's not a "wait and see" approach but you don't nitpick that.
I think my definition of average and bcs's definition are probably two different things. You gotta remember, some on here thought Brennan Clay was one of the greatest sooner rb's ever. Need I say more[/QUOTE]
He didn't ask you to speak for him. He asked you if you thought stating that Quick would never be more than average was "wait & see" .
So you think Quick is going to be a really good receiver for us? Based on what? He is average at best and that is a fact.
Again bcs why does it bother you so much if I view players, teams, etc.differently than you? It really shouldn't be that big of deal. If you want to spend March thru August building players up then more power to you, just don't get your feelings hurt if I disagree
It's his job to lose. As a 5th yr player, I think they'll give him a long, hard, look & have him prove he can't get it done.
I can't remember too much about him. I do remember reading about him being replaced last year as a Sr. He played 3 WR. A visitor came to the board and shared some stats. He claimed he had the dropsy's often but was a good kid.
Word is the WRs are calling him Grandpa already at position meetings.
Word is the WRs are calling him Grandpa already at position meetings.
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Clay was not one of the greatest OU backs, but he was one of the most underrated backs, especially in his last season, 2013, when he ran for 957 yards.
His running and pass catching in the Alabama game was clutch and he broke a long run vs Kansas State in 2013....and remember his 18 yard game-winning touchdown in overtime vs OSU in 2012 ?
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Clay was not one of the greatest OU backs, but he was one of the most underrated backs, especially in his last season, 2013, when he ran for 957 yards.
His running and pass catching in the Alabama game was clutch and he broke a long run vs Kansas State in 2013....and remember his 18 yard game-winning touchdown in overtime vs OSU in 2012 ?[/QUOTE]
CT I agree Clay had some good plays and his senior season was by far his best. I've always believed he was a solid RB for OU and he made meaningful contributions.
Clay was not one of the greatest OU backs, but he was one of the most underrated backs, especially in his last season, 2013, when he ran for 957 yards.
His running and pass catching in the Alabama game was clutch and he broke a long run vs Kansas State in 2013....and remember his 18 yard game-winning touchdown in overtime vs OSU in 2012 ?[/QUOTE]
CT I agree Clay had some good plays and his senior season was by far his best. I've always believed he was a solid RB for OU and he made meaningful contributions.
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This will be the deepest team Bob has had since he came to Oklahoma. If WR comes around, the sky is the limit.
I honestly had no clue what to expect so I tried my best to go in with zero expectations. Of course that doesn't happen and we (nearly all fans) always get hopeful and sometimes irrational in expectant thoughts, but damn I tried.
Can you predict the future? When you predicted "OU would be doomed if it had a walk on QB that couldn't make it at another school" would seem to point a different direction. So, you saying that so and so will never be more than "average at best" is nothing more than opinion stated as fact and you insult people in the process of disagreeing with your so called fact. I try to always be cautiously optimistic anymore. I don't believe in predicting/hoping for greatness anymore. I watch and root hopefully and if it shakes out, it shakes out. You always watch pessimistically, and that's fine too. That's your prerogative. I just get tired of predictive opinions, especially negative, being stated as fact and portrayed as fact. All that does is trash talk a player for what purpose?
Has Quick been average so far in his career by a fan's standards? Yes. Has he been by coaching standards? Who knows, none of us are coaches and they keep wanting to give him opportunities as evidenced by continual opportunities in games. He's still pretty young. Can anyone predict what he will be tomorrow or the next day? Hell no. If you can, then please give me some lotto numbers. If not, then stop stating his future abilities and production as fact.
Not you. Well, maybe if you've stated that "so and so will be average through their career" as a fact rather than an opinion. In my view, opinions are opinions and we all have them. I can't even predict my next bowel movement, much less someone's maturation process and productivity in their careers during college.
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