Do OU fans want out of Big 12?

[Soonerheart]

This is not about where OU might move, but about OU’s satisfaction with the Big 12.


I vote yes.

Boren had issued a set of demands that have not all been met.

The fans of UT and its group of partners seem to hate OU more than ever. There is virtually no unity among Big 12 membership.

The money and stability is much greater in at least 2 other conferences.

OU’s home schedule would be much improved if OU moved to either of those 2 conferences

 

[CTOkie]

Turning 70 in December, I just want another national championship. At this time in my life I don’t care anymore what conference OU is in....that ship sailed years ago.

 

[Senior Sooner]

Turning 70 in December, I just want another national championship. At this time in my life I don’t care anymore what conference OU is in....that ship sailed years ago.

I'm with You, CT...For me, it's getting late, for #8...
And speaking of 8...I'd like to go back to the Big VIII...Oldie, but Goodie!

 

[KStateFootball82]

This is not about where OU might move, but about OU’s satisfaction with the Big 12.


I vote yes.

Boren had issued a set of demands that have not all been met.

The fans of UT and its group of partners seem to hate OU more than ever. There is virtually no unity among Big 12 membership.

The money and stability is much greater in at least 2 other conferences.

OU’s home schedule would be much improved if OU moved to either of those 2 conferences

I would say the unity has actually increased dramatically. I could care less a lot less if Oklahoma State beat VA Tech 10 years ago as I do now. Sticking together after what Mizzou and NU did to its Big 8 brethren is more important as ever right now.

Texas and OU will always be yoked - I think your comment related to Texas view of OU is way off base.

 

[jvancuren]

Nah. I’m good. We can win a Naty in B12 with LR.
Hold tight

 

[Soonerborn59]

The B12 isnt going anywhere soon and I doubt OU jumps after the GOR ends. The conference isnt just about football and it stands strong among the basketball conferences along with baseball most years. The problem is the perception of the football teams.

All offense and no defense. Depending on how you look at it that is true. However for all the crap talk about SEC great defenses the high profile offenses rip them a new one also most times. The difference is the SEC / BIG play different style offenses. Over the past few years though even the SEC is experiencing its share of shootouts because those offenses are starting to change.

The conference just needs Texas ( ugh I feel dirty saying that) to be a national power again along with TCU, OSU and the others staying competitive in football.

 

[Schoonerman]

Not this Sooner fan. Keep the Big12 intact.

 

[jvancuren]

Agree
The biggest B12 perception issue is the failure of Texas. Fix Texas and B12 changes literally overnight.

 

[CalvinThePaperboy]

I think with the failure of the Pac 12, I'd look for the Big 12 to poach a couple schools over there to get us to at least 12. I'm good with staying as long as we stay committed as a school to continue to have one strong non conference game per year and add a couple of schools that would strengthen our conference. Try and add USC and UCLA if that conference continues to bleed.

 

[JConXtsy]

Nah. I’m good. We can win a Naty in B12 with LR.
Hold tight

For the fate of his career, I hope so.

Leaving out Bennie Owen, the average tenure of Oklahoma head coaches not winning a National Championship:
2.8 years

Longest tenure without a Championship:
6 years (Chuck Fairbanks, Gary Gibbs)

Average tenure with a Championship:
17 years

 

[Soonerborn59]

I think with the failure of the Pac 12, I'd look for the Big 12 to poach a couple schools over there to get us to at least 12. I'm good with staying as long as we stay committed as a school to continue to have one strong non conference game per year and add a couple of schools that would strengthen our conference. Try and add USC and UCLA if that conference continues to bleed.

The PAC-12 may be in turmoil with Scott heading it but its only a matter of time before he gets the old heave ho. They just need a better leader and get more aggressive in making better TV deals.

 

[Soonerheart]

Boren once spoke about the possibility that OU sports could be put a big financial disadvantage by staying in the Big 12 and how it could eventually be a reason for OU to leave the Big 12.

Even though OU has its FOX contract that’s worth a few million there are no guarantees of a future contract extension and even if it was extended its fairly clear that OU is headed for that financial disadvantage position.

Comparatively speaking this disadvantage would hinder OU’s ability to build new sports facilities that help attract the great recruits that OU needs to win national titles.

Although by not as much as the B1G the SEC would improve OU’s financial position over the Big 12..

The current Big 12 distribution for OU is roughly $34.3 million. The distributions in the Big 10 are projected to increase from $36.3 million to $51.1 million next year "due mostly to a new conference television agreement." Multiply this difference times 10, 20 and 30 years and it’s a lot of lost money for OU.
The Big 10 distribution would go up by millions if they added OU and or others.


It was once said that the TV networks were paying the Big 12 more than they should to help hold the Big12 together. Why would the networks continue paying more when they are under their own financial pressures due to cord cutting and lower sports viewership?

The long term financial trends in the Big 12 just do not work in OU’s favor which will eventually harm our competiveness.

 

[iasooner1]

Hate the b1g but would love it instantly if we 'ruled the West'

 

[Sunburnt Indian]

I'd like to see Neb and A&M come back, especially Neb. I believe Neb is going nowhere in the Big and will continue their transformation to Idaho State Lite. A&M will continue mediocrity no matter where they are. As for Cal-Austin? I love watching them lose.

 

[Soonerborn59]

I'd like to see Neb and A&M come back, especially Neb. I believe Neb is going nowhere in the Big and will continue their transformation to Idaho State Lite. A&M will continue mediocrity no matter where they are. As for Cal-Austin? I love watching them lose.

Unforunately neither of those programs will leave the big money conferences they are in. Its there security blanket for remaining just average.

 

[Soonerborn59]

Boren once spoke about the possibility that OU sports could be put a big financial disadvantage by staying in the Big 12 and how it could eventually be a reason for OU to leave the Big 12.

Even though OU has its FOX contract that’s worth a few million there are no guarantees of a future contract extension and even if it was extended its fairly clear that OU is headed for that financial disadvantage position.

Comparatively speaking this disadvantage would hinder OU’s ability to build new sports facilities that help attract the great recruits that OU needs to win national titles.

Although by not as much as the B1G the SEC would improve OU’s financial position over the Big 12..

The current Big 12 distribution for OU is roughly $34.3 million. The distributions in the Big 10 are projected to increase from $36.3 million to $51.1 million next year "due mostly to a new conference television agreement." Multiply this difference times 10, 20 and 30 years and it’s a lot of lost money for OU.
The Big 10 distribution would go up by millions if they added OU and or others.


It was once said that the TV networks were paying the Big 12 more than they should to help hold the Big12 together. Why would the networks continue paying more when they are under their own financial pressures due to cord cutting and lower sports viewership?

The long term financial trends in the Big 12 just do not work in OU’s favor which will eventually harm our competiveness.

The financial terms in the B12 may not work for a majority of the B12 but I would disagree that it will harm OU in terms of its place in college football. Brand name along will always bring in money to OU just as Texas has survived financially during its mediocre run as of late.

As long as OU and Texas are both good it will still net profits for the entire conference when it comes to networks negotiating with the conference. I may be wrong but its what I believe. I suspect some network would offer both UT and OU huge deals for its coverage rights even if the B12 failed on its own.

 

[Jeremiahxyz]

OU ain't going nowhere. The big12-2 is here to stay and that's quite likely for all of our lifetimes. Why move, it provides OU the easiest way in to the playoff,

 

[Soonerheart]

The financial terms in the B12 may not work for a majority of the B12 but I would disagree that it will harm OU in terms of its place in college football. Brand name along will always bring in money to OU just as Texas has survived financially during its mediocre run as of late.

As long as OU and Texas are both good it will still net profits for the entire conference when it comes to networks negotiating with the conference. I may be wrong but its what I believe. I suspect some network would offer both UT and OU huge deals for its coverage rights even if the B12 failed on its own.

It’s no coincidence that OU’s recruiting has been improving due to major facilities improvements. If OU doesn’t have the needed revenue eventually many other universities will eventually catch and surpass OU in the facility’s arms race.

Some SEC and Big Ten universities appear to be in a very strong long term position to significantly widening their revenue lead over OU if we stay in the Big 12. Several of these universities also receive state or student fee help…OU does not.

OU doesn’t have a large state population base to recruit from… making it mandatory that OU maintain very elite facilities if we wish to continue our national recruiting and recruit at a national tile level.This takes big time money!

OU doesn’t appear to have extremely wealthy donors willing to donate hundreds of millions of dollars. OU already needs several hundred million dollars just to complete the sports projects they have identified and this doesn’t even account for the projects that are sure to come sometime in the decades ahead.

 

[Patriotgame]

Turning 70 in December, I just want another national championship. At this time in my life I don’t care anymore what conference OU is in....that ship sailed years ago.

Amen CT!

 

[Patriotgame]

I know this is stupid and ridiculous, but the only way I want us out of the Big 12 is if there is total conference realignment.

I really want power conferences but limit the size to 12 teams per conference so actual play occurs in a fashion like the old Big 12 did: you play 9 of your conference teams in a year.

 

[Soonerheart]

The economic literacy rate in this nation is low but it is particularly low among people who are over invested in sports with their time and emotions. Too much sports and or movie watching numbs the mind.

Unless we wish to stay willfully poorer than we should be, at the end of the day the strongest economic solution almost always wins.

For OU decision makers who have a very strong economic background making many millions more in the Big Ten or SEC is going to be a very tough to turn down when the time comes.

 

[Oklabama]

Turning 70 in December, I just want another national championship. At this time in my life I don’t care anymore what conference OU is in....that ship sailed years ago.

I’m turning 72 in October so I like your chances better than mine. With what’s going on in my life, I could still be alive and still miss seeing another natty. So “getter done” ASAP.

 

[Sunburnt Indian]

When we play out I see us either erased or catching crappie with the Great Father, probably the latter.

 

[ArizonaSooner]

I've seen some mention of ASU and the A of U being perhaps interested in becoming Big 12 members if the PAC continues its decline. I think they could be a nice match. Culturally, Arizona is much more like Oklahoma and Texas than California, Oregon, and western Washington. It really could work well in all sports. The only negative is that West Virginia could have some really long road trips.... But I bet they would enjoy them in the winter!

 

[Soonerborn59]

I've seen some mention of ASU and the A of U being perhaps interested in becoming Big 12 members if the PAC continues its decline. I think they could be a nice match. Culturally, Arizona is much more like Oklahoma and Texas than California, Oregon, and western Washington. It really could work well in all sports. The only negative is that West Virginia could have some really long road trips.... But I bet they would enjoy them in the winter!

That would be a good move for both the Arizona schools and the B12. It would bring in the Phoenix market. What would be funny is if Colorado tried to beg its way back in and in turn see the the B12 tell CU “ Thanks but no thanks”. Remember they were strongly opposed to adding OU and OSU to the P12.

 

[Sunburnt Indian]

I've seen some mention of ASU and the A of U being perhaps interested in becoming Big 12 members if the PAC continues its decline. I think they could be a nice match. Culturally, Arizona is much more like Oklahoma and Texas than California, Oregon, and western Washington. It really could work well in all sports. The only negative is that West Virginia could have some really long road trips.... But I bet they would enjoy them in the winter!

I've done business in every single PAC 12 city. The AZ cities are much closer to a cultural fit to the Big 12 than the others. Picture OU women bb playing in Pullman before a crowd of 8.

 

[Brentwood Sooner]

YES

 

[Soonerheart]

If you live far away from Norman and are not coming into direct and regular contact with Texans your perspective may be different.

Besides the future revenue issues the Texans do look out after their own needs above the advancement of the conference virtually every time.

Those Big 12 universities who have no other good options will always continue to vote to appease UT. This is known as the UT voting bloc.

Is this really the type of home we want OU in for the many decades to come… when OU could move, make a lot more money, have stability, improve our home football & basketball schedule by a lot and in the B1G case, gradually help OU’s acdimic prestige.

It’s long past time IMHO to put OU first in our CR decisions!

 

[mm42]

OU ain't going nowhere. The big12-2 is here to stay and that's quite likely for all of our lifetimes. Why move, it provides OU the easiest way in to the playoff,

100% correct, no reason to break up OU, texas, okie light and the 7 dwarfs.

 

[mm42]

I've seen some mention of ASU and the A of U being perhaps interested in becoming Big 12 members if the PAC continues its decline. I think they could be a nice match. Culturally, Arizona is much more like Oklahoma and Texas than California, Oregon, and western Washington. It really could work well in all sports. The only negative is that West Virginia could have some really long road trips.... But I bet they would enjoy them in the winter!

New BIG12 teams will not be current power 5 teams. Money won't allow it.

 

[roygbell]

OU isn't going anywhere.

Nor should they. We just need to stand pat until something happens to allow us to pick up a couple of current Power 5 teams. Out of the Pac 12, the only possibles are the two Arizona schools. I don't see any of the California or Oregon/Washington team as remotely possibles. There is a disconnect between the Arizona schools and the rest of the Pac 12.

 

[owenfieldreams]

I think BOREN was right when he used the phrase " psychologically disadvantaged." The schedule is not conducive to recruiting or attendance.

 

[whatawin]

Hell Yes!!Tex(ass) has ruined it, just like they ruined the SWC.... Their a bunch of ******s

 

[Jeremiahxyz]

OU ain't going nowhere else anytime soon. It would be stupid to go to the Big.
They'd likely loose several Texas high school recruits who'd rather not play in
the 3 yards and a cloud of dust league. Going to the SEC and they'd likely have
to cheat in recruiting to keep up with the other cheaters, which is virtually all
of them. So OU ain't going nowhere.