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Did Texas destroy our conference?

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Looking back now since 2010/2011, with the defections of Nebraska and Colorado, followed by T A&M and Missouri, take a look at where our conference is today.

All for of those schools mentioned, are in the top 36 in the history of college football, with A&M, Colorado, and Nebraska being in the top 16 of all time.

Conference wide, recruiting is in a serious downslide, with only 19 of the top 300 kids selecting big 12 schools for 2016. The SEC has 4 times that. Take a look at OU's recruiting in that same period, since 2010. Against Clemson, OU started 9 three star players on defense. That's not going to get it done.

Texas with all their wealth and greed, created the LHN with ESPN to basically create an edge with better facilities, more money to attract higher profile coaches, and provide exposure to gain an edge in recruiting. Basically Nebraska said FU, and other schools followed. The funny thing is this has basically backfired for Texas, and been bad for the conference.

Are we realistically a power five conference? With the talent level across the board, I think we are closer to the level of the old WAC, rather than ACC, Big 10 ,and SEC conferences. Any thoughts?
 
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The Big 12 with NU, TAMU and Missouri should only have added TCU and would be battling SEC and Big 10 for supremacy.
 
Forneysooner said:
Are we realistically a power five conference? I'm starting to think not. Any thoughts?
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texASS sucks. Those aren't my thoughts, just the fact.

Power is measured in Watts. Julius Caesar Watts played for OU. That makes any conference that OU is in a power one. I rest my case.

This just in, texASS still sucks.
 
Agree completely. The LHN was all about Texas benefiting with no care or regard for the ripple effects it created.
The Big 12, when it had ATM, Missouri, Nebraska and Colorado....with OU, OSU, Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, KSU, Kansas and Iowa State....was a good 12-team conference with a championship game to boot. KU has a basketball powerhouse, which kept it alive in the conference. Two great rivalries ended and several more great rivalries in the making did the same.
Ideally, I would have liked TCU and Houston replacing Kansas and Iowa State.
Nebraska, Colorado, Kansas State, Missouri, OU, OSU in the northern division.
ATM, Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Houston, TCU in the southern division.
Geographically in line and two of the greatest rivalries in CFB (OU-Nebraska and ATM-Texas) intact.....the Dallas, Houston, Kansas City, St Louis and Denver markets included....and I believe more appeal to recruits, especially Texas kids.
 
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Should have a Big 12 Network and not a LHN. Houston brings no revenue, BUT UT will not let UH in anyway. WVU is not a Big 12 school!!!
 
Forneysooner said:
Looking back now since 2010/2011, with the defections of Nebraska and Colorado, followed by T A&M and Missouri, take a look at where our conference is today.

All for of those schools mentioned, are in the top 36 in the history of college football, with A&M, Colorado, and Nebraska being in the top 16 of all time.

Conference wide, recruiting is in a serious downslide, with only 19 of the top 300 kids selecting big 12 schools for 2016. The SEC has 4 times that. Take a look at OU's recruiting in that same period, since 2010.

Texas with all their wealth and greed, created the LHN with ESPN to basically create an edge with better facilities, more money to attract higher profile coaches, and provide exposure to gain an edge in recruiting. Basically Nebraska said FU, and other schools followed. The funny thing is this has basically backfired for Texas, and been bad for the conference.

Are we realistically a power five conference? I'm starting to think not. Any thoughts?
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Of course UT had a huge part of the changes in the Big 12. But I think it's important that OU, the Regents, & Boren accept their accountability as well. OU is doing great financially since the changes mentioned above. Money & greed were the driving forces. OU had a powerful voice at the table and decided to go for the $$$ and follow UT.
 
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Forneysooner said:
Looking back now since 2010/2011, with the defections of Nebraska and Colorado, followed by T A&M and Missouri, take a look at where our conference is today.

All for of those schools mentioned, are in the top 36 in the history of college football, with A&M, Colorado, and Nebraska being in the top 16 of all time.

Conference wide, recruiting is in a serious downslide, with only 19 of the top 300 kids selecting big 12 schools for 2016. The SEC has 4 times that. Take a look at OU's recruiting in that same period, since 2010. Against Clemson, OU started 9 three star players on defense. That's not going to get it done.

Texas with all their wealth and greed, created the LHN with ESPN to basically create an edge with better facilities, more money to attract higher profile coaches, and provide exposure to gain an edge in recruiting. Basically Nebraska said FU, and other schools followed. The funny thing is this has basically backfired for Texas, and been bad for the conference.

Are we realistically a power five conference? With the talent level across the board, I think we are closer to the level of the old WAC, rather than ACC, Big 10 ,and SEC conferences. Any thoughts?
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Believe it or not, WVU is around 13th in all time wins
 
Guess this is my cue to say that 'I miss the Big 8'...It was Strong, Respected, and Represented, for the most part, what was Best about College Football.

I'm not sure that adding teams, to create the Big XII, was ever a good idea. Now, with four of those dropping out and two being added, we have become the Ridiculous Big XII-2.

I'd be happy if all of the texas schools were kicked out, or pulled out, and formed their own conference. Call it 'Pick 6' or 'Big Tex' and let all of the cheerleaders wear Levis and Wranglers...
 
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I am ok with the current set up. The idea that Colo. is a top 16 football program is mind boggling. TCU and WVU far superior athletic programs and glad they came. Nebraska the only loss and think their fans might be regretting the move to the Big 10. Except for the dough, Huskers now a mid tier program probably because Texas HS kids have no affinity for that conference. OU and others (Baylor) making more money than anyone thought possible.

Only downside is possible negative given lack of championship game. Didn't hurt this year and rescheduling the big conference games in early Dec. might help.
 
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I am ok with the current set up. The idea that Colo. is a top 16 football program is mind boggling. TCU and WVU far superior athletic programs and glad they came. Nebraska the only loss and think their fans might be regretting the move to the Big 10. Except for the dough, Huskers now a mid tier program probably because Texas HS kids have no affinity for that conference. OU and others (Baylor) making more money than anyone thought possible.

Only downside is possible negative given lack of championship game. Didn't hurt this year and rescheduling the big conference games in early Dec. might help.
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They also voted to force all teams to play D1 level competition to improve strength of scheduling.
 
Forneysooner said:
Looking back now since 2010/2011, with the defections of Nebraska and Colorado, followed by T A&M and Missouri, take a look at where our conference is today.

All for of those schools mentioned, are in the top 36 in the history of college football, with A&M, Colorado, and Nebraska being in the top 16 of all time.

Conference wide, recruiting is in a serious downslide, with only 19 of the top 300 kids selecting big 12 schools for 2016. The SEC has 4 times that. Take a look at OU's recruiting in that same period, since 2010. Against Clemson, OU started 9 three star players on defense. That's not going to get it done.

Texas with all their wealth and greed, created the LHN with ESPN to basically create an edge with better facilities, more money to attract higher profile coaches, and provide exposure to gain an edge in recruiting. Basically Nebraska said FU, and other schools followed. The funny thing is this has basically backfired for Texas, and been bad for the conference.

Are we realistically a power five conference? With the talent level across the board, I think we are closer to the level of the old WAC, rather than ACC, Big 10 ,and SEC conferences. Any thoughts?
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The creation of the LHN is the reason that Mizzou, Nebraska and A&M left the conference. I don't really care much about Colorado. They already wanted out. But if driving out the previous three ruined the conference, then it's true. Texas' greed did ruin the conference. The irony is that for the present, it has made it harder for them to compete with domination. Coaches don't have too spend much time to find all the longhorn film they could want in any sport. The more film you have, especially with minimal effort especially in non revenue team sports, the easier it is to compete. And watching them suck in football, well that's just a perk. Seven teams from OUr conference made a bowl game, but the Horns failed. It's just, well, such an attack of karma.
 
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Texas did, indeed, destroy the SWC. The animosity of having to deal with Texas resulted in the destruction of some of the oldest relationships in college football.

Length of time with the Big Six, Seven, EIght, etc.
Nebraska: 1907-1918, 1921-1996----88 years prior to Big Twelve
Missouri: 1907-1996---90- years prior to the Big Twelve
Colorado: 1947-1996---50 years prior to the Big Twelve

Iowa State: 1908-1996---89 years prior to the Big Twelve
Kansas: 1907-1996----90 years prior to the Big Twelve
Kansas State:1913--1996---84 years prior to the Big Twelve

Oklahoma: 1919-1996---78 years

We had 78 year histories with the teams in the Big Twelve. How long do you think the Big Twelve will endure? Texas is a lot like the guy who has been married six times, faithful to none, and blames his wife.
 
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syb I know you have more years and 'back story' than me. Please elaborate more on how texsa hurt the old SWC so I don't have to research further
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We have all heard the complaints that the league office, being in Las Colinas, tends to favor Texas and the Texas schools. Well, it must have been worse in the old SWC.

About two years before the SWC folded, the SWC columnist for the Dallas Morning News wrote a column about how much the other coaches and administrators in the SWC despised Texas. They were under the impression that Texas had control of the officiating, and that it favored Texas, as opposed even to the other Texas schools. The SWC headquarters was supposedly very responsive to Texas, but might as well be a foreign nation for other SWC members. There was also the suspicion that Texas was behind the rash of turning in conference members to the NCAA, resulting in some SWC members being on probation. It also seemed that those suddenly under investigation tended to be those who had beaten Texas.

Simply, there was some bad blood between Texas and the other schools. The column did not name names, nor did it specify how many other schools had expressed discontent. I have a general memory of at least five or six other schools being involved.

Two years or so later, there was no SWC. Curiously, some of the "malcontents" also made the move to the Big Twelve.
 
Still not getting all the Texas ruining the conference hate. Conference looks in decent shape given the financials. Whatever UT did to blow up the SW conference and piss off Dr. Tom and Nebraska, Horns getting their comeuppance now because of guys like Gundy, Patterson and especially Briles who has lived Texas HS football for years and may be Royal or Mack's equal in getting great talent. So let's enjoy the OU/OSU/Baylor/TCU dominated conference for a few more years. Maybe Saban will come to Austin after he wins 3 more NCs with the Tide.
 
The LHN network came about because the big 12 schools voted down the conference network. OU plays a part in this mess also.


The four schools that blocked equal revenue sharing were those that consistently had the most TV appearances. A supermajority (9 of 12 programs) was required to change the revenue distribution scheme.From ESPN…

But with the Big 12's bylaws requiring a super majority of nine votes to overturn any league funding policy, it was difficult to imagine any scenario where the bloc of the "haves" that includes Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Texas A&M would ever be outvoted.

A&M (joining Texas and OU) voted against equal revenue sharing the entire time they were part of the conference. I point this out because revenue distribution is sometimes pointed to as a reason A&M left but that is just not the case.

The Big 12 Network’s Failure to Launch

A forgotten part of Big 12 history is that the conference had the opportunity to be the first conference with a network. Kevin Weiberg, who would go on to start theBig Ten Network and Pac 12 Network, served as Big 12 Commissioner from 1998 to 2007.

In 2006, the Big 12 voted down a conference network11-1. Soon after, Weiberg moved on to the Big Ten.Wieberg on why the Big 12 Network failed to launch…

"Ultimately, there were hurdles you just couldn't get over in the Big 12," he said, citing questions about distribution and revenue sharing among others from the presidents. "From my perspective, it was a pretty clear indication of what the future would be like. They've done well in some of the most recent media negotiations, but the conference just has a different philosophy and approach to how to handle some of their media pieces.
 
It comes down to greed. Texas basically said FU to everyone else in the conference and did what was in their best interest. They got rich, the rest of us got fu$&ed, and they really don't give a shit. I hope they have many losing seasons for years to come.
 
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WhyNotaSooner said:
Of course UT had a huge part of the changes in the Big 12. But I think it's important that OU, the Regents, & Boren accept their accountability as well. OU is doing great financially since the changes mentioned above. Money & greed were the driving forces. OU had a powerful voice at the table and decided to go for the $$$ and follow UT.
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I can't help but notice that no one is agreeing w/ me here. Are you guys in denial or what? OU was in play for the Pac12 but did not like the structure and also wanted to keep their own network. If the conference is weak as some have stated, OU has some responsibility in this as well.

But each to their own thoughts!
 
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WhyNotaSooner said:
I can't help but notice that no one is agreeing w/ me here. Are you guys in denial or what? OU was in play for the Pac12 but did not like the structure and also wanted to keep their own network. If the conference is weak as some have stated, OU has some responsibility in this as well.

But each to their own thoughts!
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Damn, and I thought ST was an ego stroker...
 
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Damn, and I thought ST was an ego stroker...
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No, but I'm pretty amazed at the reaction to the loss last week. It appears that many on this board has come to the conclusion that we don't have the players to win a play-off game based on the ability to recruit to players in the Big 12. Then we quickly assesss blame on UT for the floundering of the Big 12. I just happen to disagree.
 
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Awesome business. Lets merge. I sew body bags.
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Always possible... I need to get more jobs further east. A lot more red cedar there, although mountain cedar is still pretty good.

I like building a true coffin, also known as a toe pincher. Most in America like a squared off casket, which wastes too much wood and gives the dead guy way too much leg room... o_O
 
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Mad Cow ruined the SWC.

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