Bad news for the Oline.

[Plainosooner]

Redshirt freshman Kenyon Frison has been suspended indefinitely and will not be allowed to practice in August. Typical reason: Violation of team rules. But this would seem different than those guys who sit out game one at many schools after a marijuana misdemeanor in the off season. If that were the case, he'd be practicing.

This was announced by Stoops earlier Monday. No particulars, as per usual. But I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up costing him a year.

Either that, or he got arrested, and when it gets cleared up, he'll be allowed to return.

Best guess, he didn't pass enough hours.

 

[Schoonerman]

Wow. This is pretty serious and a very stiff penalty. If it was an arrest, it would be made public and the approprirate level of discipline would be administered. If it was a failed drug test or missing classes, meetings, etc., then it's usually sitting out a game or two. But, a month-long suspension leads me to believe this was a more serious violation of team rules. Hope he gets his stuff together because we can't afford a lack of depth on the O-Line.

 

[JConXtsy]

Yeah, he was a hopeful savior of an inexperienced line.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Good Lord, one would think that the most undisciplined among us could toe the damn line for 3 or 4 piddly years?
This is just unacceptable really, and I'm really proud that Bob is sticking to his guns on the team rules.
3 or 4 years folks, that's all...why the hell is that so damn difficult for a chance at a lifetime of success?

Someone explain that to me because I just flat don't get it.

 

[BillyRay]

Someone explain that to me because I just flat don't get it.

Because you are talking about 18 year old kids who generally think they already know everything, yet make incredibly stupid decisions that years down the road they will prolly look back on and regret and realize just how immature and ignorant they really were.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Well Billy, in my defense, I was born five or six years after 18 year old guys were flying B-17 bombers in the Euro theater in WW2, so, with that as my historic perspective perhaps I am expecting too much of these damn Millennials, or whatever they call themselves these days...

Again, the generational gap raises its ugly head...not my fault.

 

[BillyRay]

Looking around it's being reported that Frison hasn't been with the team the last few weeks either.

Here is what the kid posted on his Twitter. Would love to know exactly what "things" he is referring to.....

Kenyon Frison ‏@lancerpride75 Aug 6
Sometimes we do the wrong things just to get to the right places

 

[Soonersincefitty]

No, what's glaringly new here is these guys are committing egregious errors before they play one damn down for OU, that is a phenomenon that I'm having a problem wrapping my brain around.

Maybe the NCAA should invoke the all freshmen are on the JV squad for a year...until they show the maturity to be worthy to play on the big stage...
Just saying.

 

[CTOkie]

No, what's glaringly new here is these guys are committing egregious errors before they play one damn down for OU, that is a phenomenon that I'm having a problem wrapping my brain around.

Maybe the NCAA should invoke the all freshmen are on the JV squad for a year...until they show the maturity to be worthy to play on the big stage...
Just saying.

Bad situations that too many players are getting involved in are diminishing my enjoyment of not just OU football, but the game in general. Is there some unwritten rule that states you have to be either a thug or complete idiot to play the game nowadays ?
Perhaps Stoops and other coaches should start putting more importance on character and start "recruiting" the parents of the kids they recruit. Find players whose parents resemble Paul Thompson's parents....parents who raise the kid to be humble, disciplined and team oriented, and decent.
Frison is just another problem child and there will be more to come because it's now part of the game....along with bullshit excuses from fans who just want to win games.

 

[Medic007]

Before we toss this young man under the bus, let's wait to see if what occurred comes out and what the player/coaches will do. A lot of bullshit directed toward young men who play a sport for our enjoyment. I'm sure your ivory castles have always been immaculate.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Bad situations that too many players are getting involved in are diminishing my enjoyment of not just OU football, but the game in general. Is there some unwritten rule that states you have to be either a thug or complete idiot to play the game nowadays ?
Perhaps Stoops and other coaches should start putting more importance on character and start "recruiting" the parents of the kids they recruit. Find players whose parents resemble Paul Thompson's parents....parents who raise the kid to be humble, disciplined and team oriented, and decent.
Frison is just another problem child and there will be more to come because it's now part of the game....along with bullshit excuses from fans who just want to win games.

Well CT, the only way that would work is if it was mandated by the NCAA, reinstate the freshman ineligible rule. Otherwise you'd have some renegade coaches like you saw in Miami in the eighties, with the acute thug/hoodrat component winning all the championships.
IE, OU would never win another natty, period.

The whole CFB world right now just sucks...kind of like the real world.

 

[tok1983]

Well Billy, in my defense, I was born five or six years after 18 year old guys were flying B-17 bombers in the Euro theater in WW2, so, with that as my historic perspective perhaps I am expecting too much of these damn Millennials, or whatever they call themselves these days...

Again, the generational gap raises its ugly head...not my fault.

Are you implying that the Millennials don't serve in the military or fight in wars? 18-year-olds willingly sign up to the military and are shipped off to combat every single day.

 

[K2C Sooner]

Before we toss this young man under the bus, let's wait to see if what occurred comes out and what the player/coaches will do. A lot of bullshit directed toward young men who play a sport for our enjoyment. I'm sure your ivory castles have always been immaculate.

Kenyon's Uncle has read this thread. It shows the family is reading everybody's comments.............

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Are you implying that the Millennials don't serve in the military or fight in wars? 18-year-olds willingly sign up in the military and are shipped off to combat every single day.

No, you're getting way off point.
Military guys know that they're watched and monitored, and if they eff it up, the penalties are sure and immediate...

Apples vs oranges...tok1983

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Kenyon's Uncle has read this thread. It shows the family is reading everybody's comments.............

Well, great googly moogly, Kenyons uncle should have mentored him a little more, otherwise we wouldn't even have this insipid thread...

Yeah, calling you out Kenyons uncle...outstanding job you did...thank you very little!

 

[Medic007]

Kenyon's Uncle has read this thread. It shows the family is reading everybody's comments.............

I agree K2C. I hate to see some of the shit tossed out without knowing one single fact. Maybe I should not bother reading as I get to know these young men and have a bias. They aren't perfect. But to label him a problem child without knowing shit is over the line.

Stoops has shown he can help young guys find their way. If you can't stand young men making mistakes, maybe golf played by seniors is a better sport to be a rabid supporter of.

 

[BillyRay]

Perhaps Stoops and other coaches should start putting more importance on character and start "recruiting" the parents of the kids they recruit. Find players whose parents resemble Paul Thompson's parents....parents who raise the kid to be humble, disciplined and team oriented, and decent.

Well that's the thing CT, do we want OU to turn into a model football team where every player is the perfect model citizen, or do we want OU football to recruit the players they need to win games?? It's great when OU can get the kids like Paul Thompson, Sterling Shepard, Landry Jones, etc. But Bob and other college coaches have to go to where the best talent is at. And that often times includes pretty rough areas where the parental situation may not be optimal, but the kid has insane talent. Cuz let's be honest here, Bob is being paid to win football games. He's not getting paid to recruit kids who want to get 4.0 GPA's and all turn into doctors or preachers some day. So situations like this I think are inevitable when coaches are forced to "roll the dice" on some kids whom they know have the talent to play, but have to HOPE the kid has the right mental mindset to handle it and make the right decisions.

 

[K2C Sooner]

Well, great googly moogly, Kenyons uncle should have mentored him a little more, otherwise we wouldn't even have this insipid thread...

Yeah, calling you out Kenyons uncle...outstanding job you did...thank you very little!

You have no idea what's going on......I read on another site where he may not have enough college credits . Whose fault is that if true?

My edit: Maybe not enough of classes taken to qualify...........

 

[BillyRay]

Military guys know that they're watched and monitored, and if they eff it up, the penalties are sure and immediate...

Umm...I was in the military for nearly 9 years and trust me, young kids do stupid shit regardless of knowing penalties await or not. It would amaze you the shit they would get briefed on over and over and over that would land them in hot water, but would go out and do it anyway.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Umm...I was in the military for nearly 9 years and trust me, young kids do stupid shit regardless of knowing penalties await or not. It would amaze you the shit they would get briefed on over and over and over that would land them in hot water, but would go out and do it anyway.

Oh man, you youngins are killing me...
My point was, if you really want something, like staying alive you'll fly your bomber like you were trained and maybe, just maybe you'll survive.

Likewise, if you conduct yourself with that same sense of urgency, you can navigate the relatively easy world of a 1A football program with a lot less effort.

Comprende?

 

[BillyRay]

Oh man, you youngins are killing me...
My point was, if you really want something, like staying alive you'll fly your bomber like you were trained and maybe, just maybe you'll survive.

Likewise, if you conduct yourself with that same sense of urgency, you can navigate the relatively easy world of a 1A football program with a lot less effort.

Comprende?

So what you are saying is youngin's in the military back in the 40's had to think more about staying alive than youngin's in the military now?? If that's not what you meant, then why stereotype by calling kids nowadays "Millennials"?? But stereotyping like that is completely irrelevant here, and really serves no purpose.

Military or not, youngin's are going to do stupid shit, regardless of the penalties or risks of getting caught. I've served with kids in Iraq and Afghanistan, and as soon as we get back stateside they are back to doing boneheaded shit and getting in trouble. The "sense of urgency" you speak of had no effect.

On another point...I would venture to say some of these kids have a much harder time staying alive day-to-day in the neighborhoods they grow up in compared to neighborhoods of the 40's. So in a way, they live with that "sense of urgency" you talk about every single day. And not just until the war is over and they come home.

Verstehst?

 

[BillyRay]

I had a CO once tell my detachment at a private dinner that "marines are too smart these days. Just when I think I've seen everything you manage to go out and create an entirely new way of getting yourselves into trouble." I'm paraphrasing of course and his language was MUCH more colorful, adding to the effect but you get the point. It's always been one of those seemingly insignificant moments that just sticks in your head as life goes on. Kids are kids and quite often the only difference between a delinquent and a saint is the delinquent got caught.

Man you are 100% right on the money!!! Nailed it with that last sentence!! And it applies to all generations......millennials or baby boomers.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

You win Billy, I could post something worthy of the Pulitzer Prize and you'd shoot it down...

If only I was as cool as you think Barking and Yankee are, man, I have it made.

 

[Yankees03]

Is fitty drunk posting again? I hope not

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Is fitty drunk posting again? I hope not

Piss off you idiot, I don't drink anything but coffee.

You're a one string banjo about that shit, knock it off.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Funny Yank, even if I were piss drunk, I'd still be a hell of a lot smarter than you, dolt.

 

[Yankees03]

Yep he is drunk posting again ha-ha.

 

[Plainosooner]

Well CT, the only way that would work is if it was mandated by the NCAA, reinstate the freshman ineligible rule. Otherwise you'd have some renegade coaches like you saw in Miami in the eighties, with the acute thug/hoodrat component winning all the championships.
IE, OU would never win another natty, period.

The whole CFB world right now just sucks...kind of like the real world.

That wouldn't come close to working unless you increase the number of ships per year to at least 40 with no total requirements. And that isn't going to happen.

 

[CTOkie]

Well that's the thing CT, do we want OU to turn into a model football team where every player is the perfect model citizen, or do we want OU football to recruit the players they need to win games?? It's great when OU can get the kids like Paul Thompson, Sterling Shepard, Landry Jones, etc. But Bob and other college coaches have to go to where the best talent is at. And that often times includes pretty rough areas where the parental situation may not be optimal, but the kid has insane talent. Cuz let's be honest here, Bob is being paid to win football games. He's not getting paid to recruit kids who want to get 4.0 GPA's and all turn into doctors or preachers some day. So situations like this I think are inevitable when coaches are forced to "roll the dice" on some kids whom they know have the talent to play, but have to HOPE the kid has the right mental mindset to handle it and make the right decisions.

Maybe Stoops and every other head coach should be paid to include recruiting players of character, or at least stop "rolling the dice" on some. To run a squeaky clean program with a zero tolerance policy would be suicide for a team's championship hopes, mainly because not every coach would be on the same page. But to tolerate mischief over and over again in an effort to gain an edge on the field every Saturday makes coaches and fans whores to the win-at-all-cost justification.
As a society, we have lowered the bar in so many ways....in choosing our leaders, educating our children, etc.....so why not include having a win-at-all-cost mentality in our sports worshiping ?

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Yep he is drunk posting again ha-ha.

Really, we MUST tailgate this year dude.

 

[Yankees03]

No thanks...I know u like to chug em but I'm not a drinker.

 

[BillyRay]

No thanks...I know u like to chug em but I'm not a drinker.

Not even a few beers? I'm not a big drinker either, but man I love to have some brews while watching football. It almost seems un-American to separate the two. lol

I may be moving to the metroplex in the near future, so you'll need to come hang for OU/TX weekends.

 

[Soonersincefitty]

No thanks...I know u like to chug em but I'm not a drinker.

If you really knew that about me you'd have powers that transcend Gods.
You sure you don't want to tailgate?

 

[BillyRay]

Maybe Stoops and every other head coach should be paid to include recruiting players of character, or at least stop "rolling the dice" on some. To run a squeaky clean program with a zero tolerance policy would be suicide for a team's championship hopes, mainly because not every coach would be on the same page. But to tolerate mischief over and over again in an effort to gain an edge on the field every Saturday makes coaches and fans whores to the win-at-all-cost justification.
As a society, we have lowered the bar in so many ways....in choosing our leaders, educating our children, etc.....so why not include having a win-at-all-cost mentality in our sports worshiping ?

I wish that could be a reality CT. Would be pretty sweet if every program got on the same page and made running a squeaky clean program more of a priority than winning. The real problem is there is more pressure to win football games than there is to ensure these kids get a quality education. And the simple reason of course is winning games makes money. The good ole dollar is what is driving it all in the end. Winning games fills the seats, and as such the universities make a pile of money. So when it comes to winning those games, then it's inevitable that coaches are going to at times turn a blind eye to certain moral issues when it comes to whether letting a kid play, or kicking the kid off the team. At the very least, Bob Stoops appears to be at the top of the heap when it comes to keeping his program clean and respectable. And no doubt I'm sure it has cost him a little bit of success on the field as well. But I think he does a damn good job at balancing between keeping his program clean, while also achieving a very high level of success on the field.

 

[BillyRay]

You sure you don't want to tailgate?

Hell I'll come tailgate. After a few beers we will be acting like bestest of buds!!! hah

 

[Soonersincefitty]

Well, he doesn't drink as he proudly said...maybe that's the problem.

Drink=a personality.

 

[jturpen]

So do you think he will return?

 

[Yankees03]

Nope billy I can honestly say ive never even been drunk lol. And fitty I've asked numerous times for people to come hang out or come up to my seat to say hello with no luck

 

[Sooners83]

So do you think he will return?

Who...fitty?...yeah he will be back.

 

[BillyRay]

Well, he doesn't drink as he proudly said...maybe that's the problem.

Drink=a personality.

I wouldn't put people who choose not to drink as not having a personality. I no longer get drunk as shit like I did in my younger years, but hell I still love to drink and get a good solid buzz when I get the chance. But if others aren't into that, then more power to them. To each their own, and I don't think any more, or less, of people who have made a choice to live their lives without alcohol.
A lifelong friend of my father passed away a few years ago, and by all accounts from my dad he was an absolute hell raiser in his younger years when he did alot of rodeoing and drank and tore it up in the bar scene. But the day that man turned to God he changed his life forever and never touched another drop of alcohol till the day he died. Not even a glass of wine!! But I don't think the man had any less of a personality because he chose to never drink anymore.