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Armed Forces Bowl OU vs Navy Prognostications

Rewatching the slowest 95 yard touchdown run, either Kanak or Lewis did not do their job, Kanak overran the play and Lewis got tied up with the Olineman. the worst part of the play is Bognaksi who has probably played 5 snaps all year has no clue what he is doing at safety. BV needs clean house with these coaches and it should start with Tight Ends, and Safeties/Corners.
He also finished with 155 yards rushing. Navy as a team had 318 total yards. One player, Navy QB Horvath accounted for .487 ( 49%) of the offensive output.

Oklahoma had 433 yards.
Navy D allowed OU 5.2 yards per play
OU D allowed Navy 6.0 yards per play
OU D allowed Navy 5.7 yards per rush
Navy allowed OU 4.0 yards per rush
Passing Navy allowed OU 5.4 per pass
OU allowed Navy 7.1 per pass

Guess we know who had the better defense on the field. Just more greatness from the OU D. ( note sarcasm)
 
An interesting stat about Armed Forces Bowl. Toby Rowland when Navy won the coin toss “ Oh oh this is not good, the team that has won the the toss has won 9 games in a row in this Bowl game”.

Guess its now 10
 
Brent going for 2 was another stupid call. No reason for him to think it was a safe call. Yet after the game he said he thinks it was the proper call. Is he just stupid or what?
 
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i agree you should take the points, but rewatch the play Ragin is wide open but the someone F-ed up the protection, OL slid left leaving 2 unblocked guys for RB to take. We had 5 guys blocking 3, and Sawchuck was screwed. Without Stutsman this linebacker group is awful. Kip Lewis was lost out there, on their 4th and 3 Tight end was wide open cause we had 2 guys covering 3 people. Maybe we would be better off if Alley went to WVU.
 
At this stage, Venables is on a hot seat.
And next year’s schedule has Michigan in Norman and a toad game vs Alabama to go with the other teams OU played this year.
In other words, the schedule gets harder.
Mateer will have to operate behind an offensive line that will be a bit different but will it be better? Will the receiving corps be better? Will the play calling be better? Will a solid performer at tight end emerge?
An 8-4 record may save Venables’ job but Michigan, Texas, Alabama,Ole Miss and LSU may keep that from happening.
 
At this stage, Venables is on a hot seat.
And next year’s schedule has Michigan in Norman and a toad game vs Alabama to go with the other teams OU played this year.
In other words, the schedule gets harder.
Mateer will have to operate behind an offensive line that will be a bit different but will it be better? Will the receiving corps be better? Will the play calling be better? Will a solid performer at tight end emerge?
An 8-4 record may save Venables’ job but Michigan, Texas, Alabama,Ole Miss and LSU may keep that from happening.
Many radio host associated with the program ( KREF) stated it will likely take a 9 win season to secure his job beyond 2025.

Not saying they are right but I would tend to agree with them. He won’t get a pass next year in my opinion. Hopefully BV realizes this and it drives him and the staff to become better coaches.

In the end I don’t see this team getting to 8 wins next year so I doubt it will matter. I sure hope the OU brass doesnt become pleased with 8 win seasons.
 
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I get tired of the same results regardless of the opponent. We are now teaming up with Nebraska to find out how many different ways you can lose a football game. Losing is becoming an expectation rather than an aberration. It's pathetic on many levels.
I was amazed we played them close. Navy is a quality football teams this season, and we were missing almost 30 guys, that included many of our best players. What was it? 25 in the portal? And OUr best two defensive players sitting out the bowl game? You expect that since they wore Sooner jerseys that had to be good. I think there are several things that need to be addressed. But OUr missing numbers were incredible by any measure. We had a not good enough true freshman that played okay and a walk on, non player in the first half of the season as not only the two best receivers we had left. But as far as I could see, OUr only two wide receivers available. Army was a quality team this year, and Navy easily handled them. Navy also had nobody missing. They don't do portal exits. Neither were Notre Dame competition, but they beat some pretty good teams, otherwise. And they have a tough offense to defend. I thought our staff did a pretty good job, to keep from losing by four touchdowns. If I wagered, I'd have bet that way

This season was an aberration. If we're a .500 team again next year, I'll join you in the calls for a new HC. And the offensive problem sit squarely on his shoulders. But with the enormous number of injuries, evaluation is fairly based on that.


Yet who is responsible for it?
That would be the liberal idiots at ESPN.
 
I was amazed we played them close. Navy is a quality football teams this season, and we were missing almost 30 guys, that included many of our best players. What was it? 25 in the portal? And OUr best two defensive players sitting out the bowl game? You expect that since they wore Sooner jerseys that had to be good. I think there are several things that need to be addressed. But OUr missing numbers were incredible by any measure. We had a not good enough true freshman that played okay and a walk on, non player in the first half of the season as not only the two best receivers we had left. But as far as I could see, OUr only two wide receivers available. Army was a quality team this year, and Navy easily handled them. Navy also had nobody missing. They don't do portal exits. Neither were Notre Dame competition, but they beat some pretty good teams, otherwise. And they have a tough offense to defend. I thought our staff did a pretty good job, to keep from losing by four touchdowns. If I wagered, I'd have bet that way

This season was an aberration. If we're a .500 team again next year, I'll join you in the calls for a new HC. And the offensive problem sit squarely on his shoulders. But with the enormous number of injuries, evaluation is fairly based on that.



That would be the liberal idiots at ESPN.
Please explain how ESPN is responsible for poor game management and bad staff hires. The bottom line is we all like BV as a person but it doesn’t make him a great or good HC.

I get it, you want to give him a pass for this season because of the injuries. I would join you in that thought process if the offense at least showed life for more than 15 minutes a game. It had no leadership with SL nor JJF. That falls on BV. No true QB coach. What other schools do you know of that doesnt have one in place?

I am really curious how you answer those questions and try to justify them.
 
We are screwed. No way a QB from the Portal, (how many Portal Players have we signed that came in and tore it up?) a few small college transfers from the likes of Arkie Pine Bluff, Kennesaw State, Southern Illinois and the others I never heard of can come in with a new OC and fix this shit? I am wondering how BV and Joe C got Arbuckle to come at all. The thing that scares me is they gave him a timeline that BV would be here for longer than just a yr more, more like 2 or 3 more yrs no matter what.
Would make more sense being that than taking a 1 yr risk by Arbuckle that BV will be gone if next yr is as bad or worse.
Its all pointing to worse right now and BV has more than one yr to fix it it would seem. OU dug itself a hole for the next couple of yrs with that dumb**** extension.
What a shit show we have become, but Brent's a "nice" guy and golly gee people like him. So sick of hearing that shit.
 
We are screwed. No way a QB from the Portal, (how many Portal Players have we signed that came in and tore it up?) a few small college transfers from the likes of Arkie Pine Bluff, Kennesaw State, Southern Illinois and the others I never heard of can come in with a new OC and fix this shit? I am wondering how BV and Joe C got Arbuckle to come at all. The thing that scares me is they gave him a timeline that BV would be here for longer than just a yr more, more like 2 or 3 more yrs no matter what.
Would make more sense being that than taking a 1 yr risk by Arbuckle that BV will be gone if next yr is as bad or worse.
Its all pointing to worse right now and BV has more than one yr to fix it it would seem. OU dug itself a hole for the next couple of yrs with that dumb**** extension.
What a shit show we have become, but Brent's a "nice" guy and golly gee people like him. So sick of hearing that shit.
You may be on to something in regard to how they got Arbuckle and Mateer to come. I sure hope they didn’t guarantee BV to be at the helm for the next 3 years. That would just be madness.
 
This season was an aberration. If we're a .500 team again next year, I'll join you in the calls for a new HC.


Here are some sobering facts after Venables' first three seasons as OU head coach.

There are two head coaches in OU history who had losing records in two of their first three seasons, John Blake and Brent Venables. Venables is currently 22-17 (0.564), falling even further behind Gary Gibbs (0.657). He is 0-3 in bowl games.

For reference, Bob Stoops did not lose his 17th game until his 8th season at OU. Lincoln Riley didn't lose his 17th game at OU until, wait a minute, never mind. Riley only lost a total of 10 games in his OU coaching career.
 
Be ready to take on a likeness of Nebraska. Until the portal and NIL has some type of rules and regulation, the wealthy programs will spare no expense to gain the cream of the crop. Texas will dominate in that respect and I hate that…….but it’s fact nontheless
 
Be ready to take on a likeness of Nebraska. Until the portal and NIL has some type of rules and regulation, the wealthy programs will spare no expense to gain the cream of the crop. Texas will dominate in that respect and I hate that…….but it’s fact nontheless
That will start next year, I believe starting next year there will be a $20 million dollar cap for each school which will be for all sports. Portal should only take place at the end of the school year and there needs to be a limit to the number of times they can transfer.
 
Here are some sobering facts after Venables' first three seasons as OU head coach.

There are two head coaches in OU history who had losing records in two of their first three seasons, John Blake and Brent Venables. Venables is currently 22-17 (0.564), falling even further behind Gary Gibbs (0.657). He is 0-3 in bowl games.

For reference, Bob Stoops did not lose his 17th game until his 8th season at OU. Lincoln Riley didn't lose his 17th game at OU until, wait a minute, never mind. Riley only lost a total of 10 games in his OU coaching career.
I’m not offering a defense of Venables, but a few other factors must be considered (and rarely are):
Like Gibbs, Venables inherited a team in need of resurrection. Gibbs took control of a team on probation and with a damaged image due to criminal acts by players. Venables took control of a team whose roster and recruiting was poached by Riley.
Injuries killed OU this year the same way injuries impacted OU’s 2009 5-loss season.
The offensive line sucked.
Jackson Arnold sucked.
And on top of all of these facts, OU faced the toughest schedule in CFB and it was far and away OU’s toughest schedule ever.
Venables’ coaching hires have also been bad.
Could OU have hired a better coach? It’s easy to say that’s true.
These six reasons created the “perfect storm” for such a bad season.
My years of being an OU have never seen so many failures in so many areas as this 2024 team.
I have some hope that OU can return to relevance soon and I’m at the age where this is urgent for me.
OU faces a critical off season now and luring QB Mateer with his OC is a good start.
 
He also finished with 155 yards rushing. Navy as a team had 318 total yards. One player, Navy QB Horvath accounted for .487 ( 49%) of the offensive output.

Oklahoma had 433 yards.
Navy D allowed OU 5.2 yards per play
OU D allowed Navy 6.0 yards per play
OU D allowed Navy 5.7 yards per rush
Navy allowed OU 4.0 yards per rush
Passing Navy allowed OU 5.4 per pass
OU allowed Navy 7.1 per pass

Guess we know who had the better defense on the field. Just more greatness from the OU D. ( note sarcasm)
Well the good news is we can search for a new DC now.
 
Has OU become a stepping stone for coaches? I can Lebby leaving for a head job, but a lateral move to a lesser conference. I guess he didnt like the Co- in front of the DC.
 
Has OU become a stepping stone for coaches? I can Lebby leaving for a head job, but a lateral move to a lesser conference. I guess he didnt like the Co- in front of the DC.
For coordinators, yes. Until TBOW I would have said no at the HC position. Zac though is taking a lateral move but with more job security. I expect BV is gone after next season.
 
Venables took control of a team whose roster and recruiting was poached by Riley.

That "poached" roster was still loaded with talent. Take a look at the starting lineups of some of the teams that beat OU in 2022, and there are very few players on those teams that would start at OU.
 
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I guess it is time to state the obvious, we hired within instead of Dan Lanning. BV was a safe hire. The former players petitioned for him. I know hindsight is 20/20 but the program needs a complete reboot and I suspect Lanning would have been the better option. Granted, he has unlimited pockets with the sweat shop swoosh CEO but man do we have buyers remorse and we are again victims of nepotism. BV came in with his preaching and feel-good family crap and religious BS in the age of free agency with no contracts. Sucks but it is reality as I see it.
 
Brent going for 2 was another stupid call. No reason for him to think it was a safe call. Yet after the game he said he thinks it was the proper call. Is he just stupid or what?
I understand what you're saying, but I agreed with the call. I don't think it was the safe call. But I also believe that Navy had a better red zone offense in the second half that we did. And the worst thing that can happen in an essentially meaningless bowl game is to get players hurt. Going for two greatly limits that possibilty.

The only time we moved the ball in the seoncd have with any consistency, was in the two minute drill, when the Middles backed off their defense a little, and we suddenly had some time to throw.
 
Going for the win wasn't a bad decision, the play call wasn't the best though, a run pass option for Hawkins would have been a better play, or a 50/50 to Carreon who is 6'6 and appeared to have a good 6 in on the defender. Whoever called the protection made a mistake, #70 never saw the Blitzer who made Hawkins pull the ball down. Raggins came open across the middle
 
Of course, you go for 2 points and the win (the play call was horrible, but the decision was correct). It's in the end a meaningless bowl game that was probably more important to Navy than OU. OU only had 56 scholarship players, and we had kids playing that hadn't seen the field really all year. It was some good extra practice and experience for the kids that will be here next year. Outside of that, if people were expecting some amazing football and showing from a depleted Team with not much on the field, then your expectations are not where they should be.
 
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