Will Baker Mayfield...
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He'll have to lead the way with his arm & legs against tosu. IF they go 'yard' for the season, he's deserving, imho
If they lose a close one in columbo and he lights up everyone else next year, he'll be in NY again (may not win the statue, we'll see)
No. The Baker Mayfield mystique is over, regardless of how he performs this year short of us winning out.
Anyone know a guy named Lamar Jackson? Yeah, he's still in school and still in a conference where he's going to make people look silly every week.
Sam Darnold of USC is playing on a surging and hot big-name team.
I don't believe in UCLA's Josh Rosen. He didn't impress me as much hype as he received.
Wyoming has a QB that could be 1st in the draft next year; Josh Allen.
Anyone know a guy named Lamar Jackson? Yeah, he's still in school and still in a conference where he's going to make people look silly every week.
Sam Darnold of USC is playing on a surging and hot big-name team.
I don't believe in UCLA's Josh Rosen. He didn't impress me as much hype as he received.
Wyoming has a QB that could be 1st in the draft next year; Josh Allen.
Mayfield's "I have a scream" episode may or may not work against him, but games with Ohio State in Columbus, Texas (yes, Texas), K-State in Manhattan, Oklahoma State in Stillwater and TCU might result in a 3-4 loss season and that will work against him.....not to mention 40% of the Sooner offense from 2016 is gone.
I'm wondering how our running backs are progressing. The loss of Perine and Mixon are pretty huge. I didn't get to see much about the spring game. What are the thoughts on who will fill their shoes and how are they looking?
We need a decent run game to take some pressure off Mayfield.
We need a decent run game to take some pressure off Mayfield.
Adams, Anderson, Sermon, Sutton and Kennedy Brooks are on the roster and my guess is that Brooks will redshirt. 5'5" 160 lb Najee Bassoon returns as well. He played in two games last year. He was OU's 2014 Scout Team Defensive Player of the Year for whatever that's worth now.
Adams, Anderson, Sermon and Sutton could have good careers at OU.
Hmm...I haven't really heard much about any of them. Do we think we will have a serviceable running game at all? That's going to be Mayfields problem, if we don't, he's going to be awful busy and could get hurt.
I'm more concerned with the wide receiving corps, outside of Andrews and Mead. Some freshmen need to hit the ground running.
Kennedy Brooks and Trey Sermon are incoming freshmen and Marcellias Sutton is an incoming JUCO. Abdul Adams is very good, but with Perine and Mixon in front of him, his time was limited last year.
Rodney Anderson would have played last year but was injured....he's now a redshirt sophomore and played well in the spring game. He was also highly recruited in the 2015 class as one of the top two RB's in Texas.
The WR piece always seems to be a bit of a concern, but someone always seems to step up there. I hope it's the same this year.
We also really struggled in the secondary for a good part of the year. I hope they have that figured out. It's been a real problem for a while now.
Good point, Zero.
Stoops always reloads at WR and the transfer from Kentucky (Jeffrey Badet), even for one year, is huge.
I would much rather not talk of losing 3-4 games. Losing Mixon Perine and Westbrook really hurts the offense. Worried it will set the offense back early in the season before players step up. Ohio State looks very formidable for OU to play against. Baker's production I believe will suffer very much losing such impact players off last year. I really hope not.
I think it will be another 9-10 win season with a bowl appearance, further padding Stoops' HOF credentials..
I think it's 50/50 that Baker makes it to NY at best. I don't think he wins the Heisman for multiple reasons. The thing he's got working for him is likely the best OU OLine in over a decade. But the running back group will take a step down and the receiver corps maybe more than a step.
Peyton Manning couldn't be great with not great receivers and without a go to running back. I'm optimistic about Anderson. And I am hopeful about two transfers at receiver. But I don't think the juco and the Kentucky senior can be up to speed enough by game two, which will be everything in Baker's aspiration to make the top five.
And I think that if he gets close to somebody else for the trophy, that the combination of his embarrassing drunk video from the off season, and being in the Big XII will be tie breakers for the other guy.
Peyton Manning couldn't be great with not great receivers and without a go to running back. I'm optimistic about Anderson. And I am hopeful about two transfers at receiver. But I don't think the juco and the Kentucky senior can be up to speed enough by game two, which will be everything in Baker's aspiration to make the top five.
And I think that if he gets close to somebody else for the trophy, that the combination of his embarrassing drunk video from the off season, and being in the Big XII will be tie breakers for the other guy.
It stands a good chance of getting longer. It's 17 years and counting.....but some here will accuse you of being spoiled or whiny for bringing it up.
I kind of like a year like this for a surprise natty. Kind of like 2000 when we knew we had a good QB and a good chance to score a lot, but no one expected us to do what we did and based on the points given up in 99 (leads blown), no one would have expected what happened in 2000 on defense.
Hopefully we can pull it all together again and surprise everyone.
Hopefully we can pull it all together again and surprise everyone.
If OU could ever play defensively as it did in 2000, maybe it could happen.
Naw. But I would say that the drought isn't nearly what it was when Bob came on board. I think it was 25 years between with one NC and the last conference title was 1987. In the six years before Bob was hired, we were 37-40-3. We'd had one winning season in that time. And trending downward. 15 to 20000 empty seats often at Memorial stadium.
Bob's been at OU 18 seasons. In a much tougher conference, he has won nine conference titles, and was the only coach to win each of the four BCS games. We also played in an additional NC game in a year we didn't win the conference. The three most important schools on OUr schedule were Texas, Colorado and Nebraska. Against those three, OUr record was 3 wins, 22 losses and 2 ties. 3-22-2.
So to talk about NC's against that backdrop is curious.
Bob has won nine conference titles in 17 years. In the 30 years before Bob came on board we had 13 conference titles, two of them during probation years and two of the three national titles. Much higher standards for athletes' academic standards now, than then.
Barry had two teams on the schedule that had a chance against his team every year: Texas and Nebraska. The rest of the conference couldn't compete with the big two. We played Nebraska for the conference title nearly every season.
Barry never won an NC, by going undefeated and beating a conference champion in a bowl game. His 1985 NC was only possible because others beat Miami. He couldn't. He never played the kind of schedule that Bob has to play every season. And when his teams played against somebody who could throw it well, even not great teams, the Sooners didn't fare very well.
This sense of entitlement about what is expected is curious, mostly because it comes out of both sides of ones mouth. It is not the same in 2017, as it was when Bud was playing against conference teams that were just not very good. Of his three national champions, only one won a bowl game. Barry had one probation season with no bowl game, one with the second place team from the Big Ten in a bowl game, and one where they beat a good and undefeated Penn State team, but Miami beat OU in Norman by two touchdowns and were the best team in the country. Certainly the most talented.
If your expectations are a national title, that's wonderful And we aspire to do that every year. But seasons that don't have one are not failures, if you win your conference. And sometimes, they're not, even when you don't. We don't have 45 man recurting classes any more, and players who don't start, and transfer, leave holes in your depth chart. That wasn't the case when every recruiting class had 22 defenders and 23 offensive players, about double what you have now.
Barry loaded up with black athletes, because the schools in Texas had quotas for those guys, and Barry didn't. But OU doesn't have an advantage on kids from Texas in that area now. That's a good thing, but not for us.
Fans of teams that win the most often.....like OU, the Yankees, Alabama, the Patriots, Ohio State....expect lofty results annually, whether or not it "comes out of both sides of one's mouth". That cannot be a condemnation. That's human....or fan....nature.
To compare the years prior to Stoops' arrival to what has happened since 1998, which we're all aware of, is irrelevant. Those lean years were the byproduct of the probation and scandals of the late 1980's, which rendered OU irrelevant for a decade. Everyone here credits Stoops with resurrecting the program almost overnight in 1999 mostly with talent that had never experienced winning or even playing well. And no one needs to be reminded of Stoops' accomplishments ad nauseam.
No one expects a national championship year in and year out.....and virtually no one expects one this season. But having not won one in 17 years......equal to the drought of 1957-1974....has, and should be, a concern to every OU fan, just as it was throughout the 1960's and into the 1970's. This concern is not from ignorance or feelings of entitlement. It is from a fan base that knows its football and lives and dies with every OU game. Deal with it.
To compare the years prior to Stoops' arrival to what has happened since 1998, which we're all aware of, is irrelevant. Those lean years were the byproduct of the probation and scandals of the late 1980's, which rendered OU irrelevant for a decade. Everyone here credits Stoops with resurrecting the program almost overnight in 1999 mostly with talent that had never experienced winning or even playing well. And no one needs to be reminded of Stoops' accomplishments ad nauseam.
No one expects a national championship year in and year out.....and virtually no one expects one this season. But having not won one in 17 years......equal to the drought of 1957-1974....has, and should be, a concern to every OU fan, just as it was throughout the 1960's and into the 1970's. This concern is not from ignorance or feelings of entitlement. It is from a fan base that knows its football and lives and dies with every OU game. Deal with it.
Ok, I may be the only fan that expects a NC every year.
I forgive you, trademarks.Ok, I may be the only fan that expects a NC every year.
Baker has a chance if he plays as well as last year, wins the big xii and gets the team in the playoffs. He must get espn behind him because they determine it. To me the biggest roadblock for a heisman is Mike Stoops. If he comes out of the gates like last season (how is he still the D.C.), no chance.
Good post, CT. Since OU's national championship season of 2000, what does Alabama, USC, LSU, Ohio State, and Florida have in common? And what does Texas, Clemson, Auburn, Florida State and Miami (FL) have in common? It is really difficult to win a national championship now days, so is there any hope whatsoever for OU to win another one against these titans? Come on. No excuses. This is OU! Find a way to win. Get great players. Get great coaches. Make the great players better. Demand that the great coaches work harder. This is Bob's task. Without a doubt, he can do it. Is he willing to do whatever it takes is the question. No more Mr. Nice Guy!
Someone hasn't informed Saban or Meyer how hard it is to win National Championships these days...seems like they are able to do it multiple times. Someone should let them know that their fan bases need to lower their expectations to match everyone elses.
As Oklabama says above, this isn't a birthday party at little Neds house, this is OU football and we have high standards. I can't complain about what we've done, but it's easy to complain about what we haven't done. We need to play with fire and passion. We did a good job of that late in the year last year but it has to be an every week thing like Saban's teams do.
As Oklabama says above, this isn't a birthday party at little Neds house, this is OU football and we have high standards. I can't complain about what we've done, but it's easy to complain about what we haven't done. We need to play with fire and passion. We did a good job of that late in the year last year but it has to be an every week thing like Saban's teams do.
I give Baker about a 5% chance of winning the Heisman. If he makes the highlight reel. Most outlets will follow up with the Arkansas video. Especially in the beginning.
As for a NC, I give OU a 0% chance with Mike Stoops on staff. Below average to absolutely suck, defenses. Never win NC
As for a NC, I give OU a 0% chance with Mike Stoops on staff. Below average to absolutely suck, defenses. Never win NC
Perhaps when we start paying our players more like they do in the South...
Suburban has something fishy going on as well it seems
Suburban has something fishy going on as well it seems
One of the better posts I've read. OU's high standards are not what fans have established, but what the Oklahoma teams have done since Wilkinson's time. So isn't it natural that expectations run high around here ?
Absolutezero very good thoughts! I love Bob Stoops and am glad he is coaching at OU. I do think the 2000 Title maybe he caught lightning in a bottle. Since 2000 Bob is become a coach that gets 10 or11 wins a year and winning the conference and wins maybe half his bowls games. 10 or11 wins a year is a great thing. Bob 3 times played for other National Titles. He lost those games and the USC loss will always be very embarrassing. If Bob had 1 or 2 more National Titles I do believe he would be viewed in a higher regard. He is more known now for being a very consistent head coach. I am sorry for the long post.
I'm not sure if this team has the moxy to win the big games to push Baker to the Heisman win. I think they have the talent though but not sure if they'll have the mental edge. A lot of under classman will need to step up and fill some serious positions that was vacated. If they can win on the road at Columbus, the sky's the limit for this team. tOSU lost a ton of players before last season. The replacements came into Norman and whipped up on OU really good. These same players will be waiting in Ohio. It won't be an easy win at all. But if they do get out / a W, it'll go a long, long way for 2017. And for Baker's Heisman as well. The hype will start or stop in Columbus.
I have good feelings that Lincoln Riley can and will adapt with what he has to work with. Certainly having both Perine and Mixon leave was a big step back...but a good OC and coaches can figure out the plays that work with his crew, and I realistically believe we have that coaching staff. I am excited that we can bring younger guys in to the shuffle. For this reason I believe Baker is no brides maid this year. Outside of the Buckeyes, I don't see any defenses that can throw shade on our offense...
For both teams. Can you imagine how e$pn will be burning down the bucks if we pull off the win, after they squeaked in past PSU last year?
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