Why doesn't the AD catch any heat for what is OU athletics now? OU football....stale and not a player on the national scene. OU men's basketball......average at best with no shot at national prominence. OU women's basketball.... in a tail-spin with a slimmer of hope at best to make it back into a top 25 program. So as all this goes on we never hear from the AD and he gets a walk for past those HC's success? Curious as to why.......
Why doesn't Joe C. catch flack?
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Prior to this last season or two, what was his track record? How have his coaching hires worked out since he arrived? It's easy to point out the problem areas in the high profile sports (I see improvement in men's basketball, but some may not), but what about the programs that are doing well - softball, men's & women's gymnastics, tennis, etc.? All in all, I'd say Joe C is the least of the problems with Athletic Dept.
My one grip is if he is one of the AD that wanted WVU in the big 12. The hillbillies need to be kicked out and replaced with UCF
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/
This link has a big ugly longhorn at the top, but it shows why Joe C is golden. OU is #7 in total revenue. And since 2005 our total revenue has gone from $63 million to nearly $124 million.
That's why.
This link has a big ugly longhorn at the top, but it shows why Joe C is golden. OU is #7 in total revenue. And since 2005 our total revenue has gone from $63 million to nearly $124 million.
That's why.
Women's basketball is second in the conference by three games. They're in the top 25 and a very young team is getting better weekly. They are not as good as Baylor. I expect they'll do better at home, but Baylor is bigger and more athletic at just about every position. But Sherri's program is a candidate to make the Sweet 16 this year, and some prospects to be better the next two years. They lose only one senior who is in the rotation at all.
Saying they are not relevant is simply untrue.
The program that Lon inherited was a friggin mess. Who knew that Caple was so incompetent. Blake G covered up a lot of that. When he left, the lack of whatever became obvious. It's not like OU has been a factor enough to even half fill Noble on any normal basis except when there is interest because of the opponent. So that is more your fault than Joe C. He'd love to have you show up as an STH.
Football had a lousy year and still won eight games, and will be better. And there were surely highlights before the wheels came off, primarily because of injuries. TCU was 4-8 in 2013 and one of the best three teams in the country last year. I think they would have beaten tOSU, if they hadn't been screwed in Waco. If they can make that leap, OU certainly can. Certainty? No. But surely a possibility.
Joe C doesn't catch flak because most people have enough CHS to know that we have one of the best AD's in America. Maybe you're a little short of common horse sense.
Saying they are not relevant is simply untrue.
The program that Lon inherited was a friggin mess. Who knew that Caple was so incompetent. Blake G covered up a lot of that. When he left, the lack of whatever became obvious. It's not like OU has been a factor enough to even half fill Noble on any normal basis except when there is interest because of the opponent. So that is more your fault than Joe C. He'd love to have you show up as an STH.
Football had a lousy year and still won eight games, and will be better. And there were surely highlights before the wheels came off, primarily because of injuries. TCU was 4-8 in 2013 and one of the best three teams in the country last year. I think they would have beaten tOSU, if they hadn't been screwed in Waco. If they can make that leap, OU certainly can. Certainty? No. But surely a possibility.
Joe C doesn't catch flak because most people have enough CHS to know that we have one of the best AD's in America. Maybe you're a little short of common horse sense.
The wheels didnt come because of injuries, thats a lie. As for the topic at hand I have to say i disagree. Football will improve (hopefully), OU basketball although isnt elite has improved doing Krugers time. Sherri Coale has recently got a commitment from a 6'10 signee who is one of the top players in the nation. Plus we cant forget our awesome softball team year in and year out
Soonersincefitty
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Yep, mens gymnastics, womens volleyball et al, we've nothing to be hung about, 'strawberry fields forever'...
Soonersincefitty
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At the distinct risk of starting a firestorm, I've got to ask, and correct me if (unbelievably) I'm wrong, but, are your personal lives so devoid of substance that you'd depend on the success, or failure of OU sports to define your happiness, and by extension your ultimate purpose here on earth?
A little perspective could be in order here.
Now, bring the hounds from hell onto me, I can take it!
A little perspective could be in order here.
Now, bring the hounds from hell onto me, I can take it!
BW....
Football injuries to:
Knight
Ford
Shepard
Sanchez
Flowers was not at full strength
Bell late in the KSU game
.......among other nicks and bruises.
I think it's possible that Ford's and Shepard's injuries may have had a hand in two of OU's losses.
Football injuries to:
Knight
Ford
Shepard
Sanchez
Flowers was not at full strength
Bell late in the KSU game
.......among other nicks and bruises.
I think it's possible that Ford's and Shepard's injuries may have had a hand in two of OU's losses.
The problems at OU are above and below Joe C
. Nearly everyone
knows about the faults of our coaches and players but hardly anyone ever talks
about the faults of our leadership above Joe. C and how they have neglected the OU
football program.
knows about the faults of our coaches and players but hardly anyone ever talks
about the faults of our leadership above Joe. C and how they have neglected the OU
football program.
Originally posted by Soonersincefitty:
At the distinct risk of starting a firestorm, I've got to ask, and correct me if (unbelievably) I'm wrong, but, are your personal lives so devoid of substance that you'd depend on the success, or failure of OU sports to define your happiness, and by extension your ultimate purpose here on earth?
A little perspective could be in order here.
Now, bring the hounds from hell onto me, I can take it!
CT.........I recall you saying that we would be a different team when Ford returned. We both know that wasn't the case. Same for Knight. The only real difference maker who was out for a prolonged period of time was Shepard. Sanchez was banged up a few games but its not like that cost us the season. Anyone that says our season was a bust because of injuries just isn't being honest. All teams have injuries here and there...see Ohio State.
Soonersincefitty
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I heard that 83.
It's easy to be an OU football fan.
Just keep a liter of Jack Daniels and a bit of Coca Cola handy. Everything just falls into place...
It's easy to be an OU football fan.
Just keep a liter of Jack Daniels and a bit of Coca Cola handy. Everything just falls into place...
barkingwater, Plano has been touting injuries as the primary reason for Sooner's poor season. What I don't get, and how any fan can keep using the injury excuse over and over and over and over, is all teams go through injuries in every season. fb , bb, bb, track, tennis, wrestling, golf, whatever the sport. The good, better, and best teams typically have recruited well enough and have enough depth to overcome injuries to starters. OU fb hasn't had the best recruiting classes the last five years and ended up without quality depth required to overcome injuries.
Didn't say that.
I said that Ford's absence was strongly felt against TCU and KSU, in games that OU could have won easily.
Knight had three things happen to him: the loss of a solid receiving corps (no Saunders, no Bester, no Reynolds and very little Shepard due to his injury) that had won the Alabama game, a regression in performance and the injury in the Baylor game to cap it off. Plus, he was ordered to limit his running because of OU's perceived lack of depth by the coaches.
Our season was a bust for more than just key injuries and I have said previously that it was a case of a perfect storm with suspensions, injuries, poor coaching, no offensive identity and a much tougher conference schedule with West Virginia and TCU improving and Baylor remaining its high level of play. KSU and OSU were better than advertised as well.
What did I leave out, barkingwater ?
And as a footnote, if OU had Shannon, Beckum and Mixon free from suspension and Shepard and Ford healthy all year do you think a five loss season would still have occurred ? Those are five very good players and their absences did not help at all regardless of whether this strikes you as being "dishonest" ?
CT......I to believed Ford was going to be a huge difference maker but I can't say that ever really materialized this season. As for Knight, he couldn't hit a wide open receiver a good majority of the time so the loss of Bester (average), Saunders, Reynolds (again, average), and Shepard may not have really even mattered. Now, I know you aren't the one that always blames our losses on injuries, but some on here do which is nothing more than an excuse. Its also interesting that our weakest unit, the defense, was for the most part injury free.
All I will say BW, is that Knight had one of the greatest bowl performances a QB ever had.....and the best performance in a bowl game that an OU QB ever had.....with Saunders, Bester, Shepard and Clay's running and receiving from his running back position. Without those 4 guys, OU would not have won the game.
Bester was a very good receiver, who could also throw an occasional pass. He was not used as often as he should have been in my opinion.
Bester was a very good receiver, who could also throw an occasional pass. He was not used as often as he should have been in my opinion.
Mike, Please read above as I wasn't referring to CT. Now, our season went down the tubes because Ford and Sanchez were hurt for a short time, Bell for half a game, and Knight? Knight was back full strength against Clemson and was terrible. Come on thats not even believable. The only injury that had a major effect was Shepard. For anyone to blame our season on injuries is ridiculous
Dumb post of the year by far..... What is wrong with OU athletics?? Name me one sport OU is not competitive in?? Go have another drink
This post was edited on 2/15 7:33 PM by sooner_mike
This post was edited on 2/15 7:33 PM by sooner_mike
I guess I'm just not seeing that injuries had much to do with anything this past season. As I said, the defense was pretty much injury free for most of the year and we couldn't stop anybody. I know Wilson was hurt the last few games but I honestly don't think he would have made any difference.
It was the defense, or lack thereof, that was the biggest problem even with key injuries to the offense. Wilson, Hayes, Byrd and Ahmad Thomas always seemed to be out of position and missing tackles.....and the pass rush was spotty at best.
One more time....injuries were A reason for the 5 loss season. That means that injuries were only part of the problems which I believe included poor coaching, erratic play, poor depth a wide receiver, Hunnicutt's late season problems, a defense that seemed to regress in the second half of the season, suspensions to Shannon, Mixon and having Mayfield and Beckum ruled ineligible. Overall, OU simply was not as good as advertised...not by a long shot.
Am I missing something else ?
One more time....injuries were A reason for the 5 loss season. That means that injuries were only part of the problems which I believe included poor coaching, erratic play, poor depth a wide receiver, Hunnicutt's late season problems, a defense that seemed to regress in the second half of the season, suspensions to Shannon, Mixon and having Mayfield and Beckum ruled ineligible. Overall, OU simply was not as good as advertised...not by a long shot.
Am I missing something else ?
Yup thats my point. The defense was probably the biggest problem and the injuries on that side of the ball were minimum.
This post was edited on 2/16 9:44 AM by barkingwater2000
This post was edited on 2/16 9:44 AM by barkingwater2000
Well, now... OU winning definitely makes me happy, yet I find myself rather happy most of the time. If OU lays a turd it might give me reason to bitch and moan, yet it has little to do with my personal life.Originally posted by Soonersincefitty:
At the distinct risk of starting a firestorm, I've got to ask, and correct me if (unbelievably) I'm wrong, but, are your personal lives so devoid of substance that you'd depend on the success, or failure of OU sports to define your happiness, and by extension your ultimate purpose here on earth?
A little perspective could be in order here.
Now, bring the hounds from hell onto me, I can take it!
Now during the Blake years, the idea that how terrible OU was made perfect sense for the large consumption of alcohol and other substances, it was really just an excuse to do what I wanted.
Now do you really want to get in a discussion with me about my ultimate purpose on earth? I think they already locked a thread when I talked about that...
Hounds of hell, or angels of God, how do you determine the difference?
Medic007
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"Hounds of hell, or angels of God, how do you determine the difference?"
For me it was easy. If after waking up from a night of excessive alcohol consumption the female companion was worth a second look, then angels of God.
If the female companion was coyote ugly (you know, chew your arm off instead of chancing waking her up), hounds of hell.
If the female companion was wolf ugly (you know, chew the other arm off as well so you'll never make that mistake again), then murder any and every living thing that may have witnessed it and then pack up and leave the country.
I'm glad to report I still have one arm and haven't killed anybody that wasn't nearly dead anyhow.
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For me it was easy. If after waking up from a night of excessive alcohol consumption the female companion was worth a second look, then angels of God.
If the female companion was coyote ugly (you know, chew your arm off instead of chancing waking her up), hounds of hell.
If the female companion was wolf ugly (you know, chew the other arm off as well so you'll never make that mistake again), then murder any and every living thing that may have witnessed it and then pack up and leave the country.
I'm glad to report I still have one arm and haven't killed anybody that wasn't nearly dead anyhow.
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I made the mistake with the coyote once... instead of chewing off my arm I tried to slip it out from under her, which woke her up where she proceeded to roll over on top of me and rape me. It was terrible, and... I digress...
Does Joe C coach football now at OU?
He's an administrator that hires HCs and manages opex and capex.
If a HC doesn't meet expectations consistently, Joe C won't have to make hard decisions with his HCs. The fans' pressure pretty much sets the stage for an exit of any said HC not doing their job.
Vocal fans with newfound shallow pockets are the dogs that wag the tail at OU.
Joe C. wants vocal fans with deep pockets.
He's an administrator that hires HCs and manages opex and capex.
If a HC doesn't meet expectations consistently, Joe C won't have to make hard decisions with his HCs. The fans' pressure pretty much sets the stage for an exit of any said HC not doing their job.
Vocal fans with newfound shallow pockets are the dogs that wag the tail at OU.
Joe C. wants vocal fans with deep pockets.
I'll ride with Joe C 10 days out of 9. He's good at his job.
Injuries? How did losing the #1 and #2 QB on the depth chart effect the OSU?
Injuries? How did losing the #1 and #2 QB on the depth chart effect the OSU?
Men's tennis just won the indoor NC, softball ranked in top 5, men's and women's gymnastics teams are both ranked #1 in the nation, so I don't see where you are coming from.
Care to elaborate on how he has failed to do his job?
There are 10 NC trophy's for OU since he arrived, along with 57 conference and conference tournament championships in his tenure as AD at OU.
Care to elaborate on how he has failed to do his job?
There are 10 NC trophy's for OU since he arrived, along with 57 conference and conference tournament championships in his tenure as AD at OU.
Medic007
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Originally posted by PtLavacaSooner:
I made the mistake with the coyote once... instead of chewing off my arm I tried to slip it out from under her, which woke her up where she proceeded to roll over on top of me and rape me. It was terrible, and... I digress...
Oh that's funny.
Goodness PTLavaca, sounds like one night me and my buddies aregued over a coyote, I ended up winning the argument but in the end lost. My buddies say they set me up, I ended up having to change my number.Originally posted by PtLavacaSooner:
I made the mistake with the coyote once... instead of chewing off my arm I tried to slip it out from under her, which woke her up where she proceeded to roll over on top of me and rape me. It was terrible, and... I digress...
Medic007
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One of my good buddies back in the college days at OU coined the term "Go Ugly Early." He scored more than the Harlem Globe Trotters. Ugly ugly girls. We would hit the night spot and he'd circle the room looking for the ugliest girl there. He'd be gone in 30 minutes with her in tow. He didn't even drink. And that guy never had to spend a dime. Looking back, he was actually brilliant.
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"Go ugly early, or go home alone." An age old adage taught to young'ens for decades.
As well as -
"Any port in a storm."
"Rub one out before any relationship decisions."
"Climb the ladder of women. You can't start at the top step. You gotta achieve every step to get to the top."
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As well as -
"Any port in a storm."
"Rub one out before any relationship decisions."
"Climb the ladder of women. You can't start at the top step. You gotta achieve every step to get to the top."
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damn boys n girls, ugly and coyote need loving too. and I'm gonna bet all of you with the lights off and when you've hit the pay zone, you can't tell the difference, unless of course your date outweighs you, then you might feel the difference. I preferred coyotes and ugly early as well, they typically came back for 2nds, 3rds, 4ths..... and usually brought the beer and the other mood addressing substances. the biggest plus, unless they were crazy, and a few were, coyotes and ugly were the nicest lowest maintenance woman of all.
He brings in the $$$$$ which enables us to keep coaches like Bob. That is the main job of an AD anymore, and he can do that really well.
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