Venables' D gave up 628 yards

[WVSooner]

A final OU related thought to end the year...

I think Venables has a lot more talent at Clemson right now but really didnt really slow LSU down any more than OU did.

I'm glad he has done well at Clemson but I dont think he would have been great at OU.

 

[OUSOONER67]

A final OU related thought to end the year...

I think Venables has a lot more talent at Clemson right now but really didnt really slow LSU down any more than OU did.

I'm glad he has done well at Clemson but I dont think he would have been great at OU.

He had quite a few games at OU like that.
He is not a Great DC and hasn't become one since leaving, he has better players at Clemson but I don't think any defense no matter how good could stop lsu's offense this year and nobody did. Quite possibly the best offense in College Football History.
At least Venables D kept them under 50 points. They lit our asses up for 63.
49 in the first half, while our Offensive Guru only produced 14.

 

[iasooner1]

Fire Venables ! Get him back to recruiting for OU

 

[MichaelDros]

LSU may have one of the greatest offenses I’ve ever seen!

 

[soonermade]

Notice how Clemson's defense became much weaker when their MLB got ejected? Now imagine how that Clemson defense would have done against LSU without their #1 sack leader on the DL and best safety before the game even started? Also, deplete their depth like OU and I think it's safe to say they would have given up 63 points as well.

Don't forget, LSU should have gotten a TD when their WR failed to catch it, and then missed a FG and then decided to kneel inside the 5 to end the game. That would have given LSU 56 points.

 

[Oklabama]

Notice how Clemson's defense became much weaker when their MLB got ejected? Now imagine how that Clemson defense would have done against LSU without their #1 sack leader on the DL and best safety before the game even started? Also, deplete their depth like OU and I think it's safe to say they would have given up 63 points as well.

Don't forget, LSU should have gotten a TD when their WR failed to catch it, and then missed a FG and then decided to kneel inside the 5 to end the game. That would have given LSU 56 points.

Brent’s #8 could not cover Dabo’s #1. He scored twice and almost scored again setting up a short red zone touchdown before Brent made a change.....that helped but the damage was done.

 

[WhyNotaSooner]

LSU may have one of the greatest offenses I’ve ever seen!

Unlike most CF teams including OU. They attacked the match ups more so than any College team before. That OC studied his opponent and for after them. Most teams just play their offense and dare the defense to stop them.

 

[Plainosooner]

That is the way the NFL typically works, assuming that your guy is better than their guy. But the best colleges do the same thing. And OU certainly does it.

It was easier for LSU, because they had three elite guys at wide. OU had one. Those pup five stars will be there, likely next year. But it takes more than a high school pedigree to be college elite. Reading defenses is a big part. In OU's scheme, so is run blocking.

OU routinely picks on the weakest link on other teams. But opponents do stuff like getting extra help to the side of the elite guy on the other side.

The thing that made LSU's offense so spectacular was Barrow's mental side. He was a grad student, taking his few courses online. He lived at the coaches offices, and spent as much time as a coach watching film. And he was bright enough make that a huge advantage. Their back shoulder throws were very unusual for a college teams. They all use it. But Barrow's accuracy, and the in flight ball adjustment by their receivers, we remarkable. They got a lot in single coverage, because when you have three, the defense can't double them all. And Barrow as a runner was close to great.

Still, it would be tougher for them if they had to use extra time to change plays at the los because of crowd noise. They were great on the road at Bama, against the CT's four or five stud freshmen. But the rest of their challenging games were with very friendly crowds. And it does make a difference.

LSU seems to have made a scheme move offensively that surely made them a great offense this season. But I believe it was more about Barrow, than their OC. When he's in the NFL next year, we'll find out more about how much it was scheme, and how much about the greatness of a great quarterback.

 

[iasooner1]

I thought the way the 2nd half started and with Clems "pro size" D it was going to be a shootout but the smaller LSUx D had speed (and the home crowd) on their side and negated the Clem advantage

 

[CTOkie]

It's clear to see that the LSU team really peaked by the time it faced OU and Clemson. LSU had three narrow escapes against Texas, Auburn and Alabama and even showed some shaky defense in 5 games, but then mauled Georgia 37-10, OU 66-28 and Clemson 42-25 (and decided to run out the clock inside Clemson's 5 yard line as the game ended).
I tend to look at a team's body of work from November 1st on to get a handle on how far a team will go. LSU was a good example this past year.....and OU has had a history of mid-season resurgences prior to the 1990's.

 

[JConXtsy]

Notice how Clemson's defense became much weaker when their MLB got ejected?

And this is why I state that I believe OU isn't as far off in defensive talent as some make it seem. I think we're 2 impact players away from having enough. And when I say impact, I really mean impact. A DL guy that consistently get's to the QB in <2.0s and a linebacker that can sniff out runs and QB scrambles, I believe that the rest of our personnel would look a whole lot better immediately.

And for those criticizing Venables, his gameplan sure looked smart in that first quarter, so I give him credit. LSU finally adjusted and started beating his 3-1-7, but they were confused to start the game. That was good coaching on Venables part. In the end, his guys just couldn't stop Chase.

 

[CTOkie]

And this is why I state that I believe OU isn't as far off in defensive talent as some make it seem. I think we're 2 impact players away from having enough. And when I say impact, I really mean impact. A DL guy that consistently get's to the QB in <2.0s and a linebacker that can sniff out runs and QB scrambles, I believe that the rest of our personnel would look a whole lot better immediately.

And for those criticizing Venables, his gameplan sure looked smart in that first quarter, so I give him credit. LSU finally adjusted and started beating his 3-1-7, but they were confused to start the game. That was good coaching on Venables part. In the end, his guys just couldn't stop Chase.

I hope you're right, but I see any resurgence in OU's defensive game requiring a major overhaul, especially now with Murray and Gallimore leaving.
I believe that Grinch needs lineman to rush quarterbacks better and I blame much of OU's issues with defensive backs due to a poor pass rush.
Maybe Winfrey, Ellison, Arinze and Grimes will help solve this along with Perkins and maybe Stokes, because I see no one else on the 2019 roster that offers DL help. I think a solid defensive line can make linebackers and defensive backs play much better.
I also think OU has had a very productive recruiting haul defensively aside from the 4 lineman I've mentioned. Two big LB's in Whitter and Walker, three DB's 6'2" or taller, two of whom are 4-star recruits.
And the young linebackers (White, Bonitto, Ugwoegbu, Jones and Asamoah) might become better contributors.

 

[psybj]

The thing that made LSU's offense so spectacular was Barrow's mental side. He was a grad student, taking his few courses online. He lived at the coaches offices, and spent as much time as a coach watching film. And he was bright enough make that a huge advantage.

Burrow was a Grad Student, yes, but he earned a Masters Degree in 3 semesters. What he had was football IQ and amazing work ethic, meeting with his receivers every day thru the year, including Sundays, to work on timing.

The "narrow escapes" weren't that narrow, in all 3 of those games the opponent scored a very late TD to get within a score, then never got the ball back with a chance to win or tie.

If you guys want to see an amazing program, watch your GYM girls. Their landings are always perfect year after year.

Good luck next year and please keep beating the sips.

 

[psybj]

And for those criticizing Venables, his gameplan sure looked smart in that first quarter, so I give him credit. LSU finally adjusted and started beating his 3-1-7, but they were confused to start the game. That was good coaching on Venables part. In the end, his guys just couldn't stop Chase.

Venables was getting his calls in late, and they were easy to read. Every checkoff Burrow made at the line worked. The WRs knew this before the game and went in superconfident that they couldn't be stopped.

 

[OUSOONER67]

Burrow was a Grad Student, yes, but he earned a Masters Degree in 3 semesters. What he had was football IQ and amazing work ethic, meeting with his receivers every day thru the year, including Sundays, to work on timing.

The "narrow escapes" weren't that narrow, in all 3 of those games the opponent scored a very late TD to get within a score, then never got the ball back with a chance to win or tie.

If you guys want to see an amazing program, watch your GYM girls. Their landings are always perfect year after year.

Good luck next year and please keep beating the sips.

 

[washingtonsooner]

A final OU related thought to end the year...

I think Venables has a lot more talent at Clemson right now but really didnt really slow LSU down any more than OU did.

I'm glad he has done well at Clemson but I dont think he would have been great at OU.

Bet he gets another raise from Coach Dumbo. WS

 

[larwilli]

Yes, Venables D did give up 628 yards but they forced LSU to punt 7 times! The Clemson offense didn't do much to help the defense.

 

[OUSOONER67]

Yes, Venables D did give up 628 yards but they forced LSU to punt 7 times! The Clemson offense didn't do much to help the defense.

Yep neither did ours.

 

[bcsoonerfan]

Clemson's defense wasn't all that special in 2019.

 

[Patriotgame]

And this is why I state that I believe OU isn't as far off in defensive talent as some make it seem. I think we're 2 impact players away from having enough. And when I say impact, I really mean impact. A DL guy that consistently get's to the QB in <2.0s and a linebacker that can sniff out runs and QB scrambles, I believe that the rest of our personnel would look a whole lot better immediately.

And for those criticizing Venables, his gameplan sure looked smart in that first quarter, so I give him credit. LSU finally adjusted and started beating his 3-1-7, but they were confused to start the game. That was good coaching on Venables part. In the end, his guys just couldn't stop Chase.

I think adding to this is the need for bigger corners. Our corners, for YEARS, have been too small and can't seem to deal with more talented receivers. I look forward to the kids we having coming in to see if they help the defense shut down receivers.